>> dickerson: today on "face the nation." there's no vacation from politics. and breaking news this morning as plane disappears in indonesia. it's summertime at the iowa state fair, which means candidates talking politics and food on a stick. without this year there was a new ride. donald trump took a group of future voters in his helicopter and continues to take the republican party on its own wild ride. that's one approach. we'll talk to ohio governor john kasich who is on a different route. taking the high road even hillary clinton. plus we'll hear from south carolina senator lindsey graham and democratic candidate martin

o'malley. hillary clinton changed direction and unexpectedly turned over her e-mail serve tore the fbi. i'm going -- >> i'm going to let whatever this inquiry is go forward and we'll await the outcome of it. >> what impact will that have on her campaign, plenty of political analysis take look what's ahead for u.s. and cuban diplomacy after u.s. opened the doors of the new embassy in havana. all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. we want to start with that missing plane. the twin turbo prop carrying 54 people lost contact with air traffic control in remote area of indonesia. cbs news correspondent charlie d'agata is standing by. >> good morning, john, just nine minutes before the plane was scheduled to land when it disappeared.

indonesia search and rescue agency identified the area where air traffic control lost contact, they have had to suspend the search until day break due to weather. this is reportedly the twin prop service plane that took off on domestic flight. remote region covered with dense jungles and storms brought strong winds, heavy rain and fog. transportation minister says no indication the pilot made distress call but villagers reported a crash. they have had their share of aviation disaster. a transport plane killing 140 people, last december passenger plane plunged into the sea caring 192 people. one of number of indonesian airlines have been black listed by the united states and europe barred from flying into those countries because of safety concerns. charlie d'agata. >> we're joined by ohio governor

john kasich who is in plum bus. you have had good couple of weeks here. you stay on the high road. been asked a lot about the hillary clip ton server. donald trump is taking the opposite approach to the campaign. what do you make of those two different approaches? >> well, my approach is let people know what i'm all about, john. balancing the federal budge set one of the chief architects of defense experience serving on the armed services committee. turning ohio around from $8 billion in the hole to surpluses in the growth of 350,000 jobs. but, look, i want people to know what i'm all about right now because i think the country needs lifted, it needs united. let me also tell you i was thinking about this as i was listening to the thrown throw ducks. i ran for legislature at the age of 26. i was the only republican to defeat incumbent democrat in 1928 for kong depress running on

the record of ronald reagan and i was first one to defeat incumbent of any party in 6 years here in ohio and of course ran for re-election and won the second largest electoral victory in the history of the state. but i'm sort of in to letting people know what i'm for. and i'm into, john, lifting people. we have plenty of time to debate particularly hillary clinton if she's the dominee point out our differences. and i won all these elections against incumbents and i expect to win this one as well. but with a message that's bigger not smaller. >> dickerson: i want to see electorate in one way and donald trip trump at the top of the polls leading your party, the "wall street journal," for example, says that he is not appealing -- you shade donald trump was tapping into something but editorial said he's tapping into people's worst instincts. what is your view of the electorate?

do you agree with that? >> i think the electorate is fed up and frustrated. i think they think government doesn't work. i just ran into a lady yesterday, she -- somebody walked into the office where she was working said, you're out of work. in fact she was asked to train somebody who -- outsourced her job she didn't even know it how to she doesn't have a job. and this is very frustrating. people that have their children who went to college and bring up big massive debt, they can't find work. but i think the spirit of the american people is to acknowledge the challenges that we have, john. but i don't think people want to lie in a state of pessimism. i think they want to know what is the solutions for fixing and meeting these cammings. and that's what i've always tried to do in my career. i just don't stay on the negative side of things i want to move to the positive. i remember back when clinton was raising taxes and -- i had alternative to that, lot of the republicans didn't want me to put forward the ideas what

republicans were for. we did it. we were successful. we win the majority. then went on to balance the budget. positive and innovative understands are the energy that moves thought just our country but the world. >> dickerson: let me ask you about taxes, you balanced the budget the last time i was balanced in washington. want to bring folks together. in the last campaign all of the candidates were asked a question. they were asked, would you accept $1 in tax increases for $10 in spending reductions. not a single republican said they would take that deal. democrats say they want some kind of tax increase. would you take that deal? >> i wouldn't at this point. because you know when we were in our fighting with the clinton administration went through government shut down we cut taxes. which allowed economy to grow. how do you balance a budget with economic growth and reforming and innovating government. the idea that we're -- a lot of great americans say, if you raise my taxes use it to pay

down the debt i'd be for that what they have to understand, i've had the experience, 18 years in congress. four and half years as the governor of ohio. what we learn is that, no, the government takes more they will spend it. right now even out here in ohio i have to always guard against the idea that we got money to spend. when i left washington we had $5 trillion surplus after i spent ten years balancing the budget and it was all blown. so the idea that we're going to start talking about raising taxes, no, you need to reform and shrink government. that's what you need to do and create economic growth. which is exactly what we've done in ohio. each had the largest amount of tax cuts of any sitting governor in this country and we've gone from $8 billion in the whole to $2 billion not black. growth of 50,000 -- 350,000 jobs. >> dickerson: you would have to

work w. but let me ask you question on immigration. >> not all democrats now would say that our answer is taxes. democrats would say is respect. lot of the social programs. we don't have to get rid of them we need to innovate them and reform them. there is lots of grounds on which to agree with some members of the democratic party. you're not going to get them all. but going to get some. that's what reagan did when he was elected president. he worked with phil gramm and got some democrats. i do the same thing. i know how to do it. i've done it before. >> dickerson: let me ask you another tricky question, got people riled up. when i talk to republicans why nothing has passed candidly they will say, any republican who supports what you do which is path towards some kind of legal status just get creamed by the base of their party. how would you as president solve that problem? >> first of all, john, we're not in offers to stay in office. we should go in to public offers

for the purposes of making things better. churchill said, i think he's the guy that said, you know, in war you die once but in politics you can die a thousand deaths. the idea that i'm go -- i'm afraid i'm going to get primaried out of existence there for i can't do anything. you finally walk out of public office and look at yourself in the mirror if you played politics, how are you supposed to feel about what you did when you took time away from your family and friends and played politics is kind of nuts. in my opinion, there is a solution here to this issue of immigration, finish the wall, make it clear. anybody that comes over that wall once we've done it you're going back. then the 12 million that are here, legalize them but make sure we don't have any of the criminal element here and have guest worker program. i think the country can unite around that. >> dickerson: governor john kasich thanks so much. we turn now to another republican candidate south carolina senator lindsey graham

joins us from new york. senator, i want to ask you about donald trump he says that you attacked him and you went no where. he attacks his rivals, he either stays solid in the polls or even goes up a little. what do you make of all that? >> it's pretty hard for me to understand where this thing is going with the donald. but at the end of the day what he said about senator mccain i thought was out of bounds. but here is the state of play. our leading republican is embracing deportation, that all of the 11 million have to walk back where they came from maybe we'll let some of them come back i hope we don't go down that road as a party. our leading contender, mr. trump, is going backward on immigration. i think he's going to take all of us with him if we don't watch it. >> dickerson: let me now switch to the issue of foreign affairs. in some of your remarks say that we don't need to elect another november as commander in chief. what in your -- who is a novice? >> i think i got more experience

for anybody running. i i have been iraq and afghanistan 140 times. and as a reservist. jeb bush is a fine man but his plan to detroy isis doesn't have a ground component. not a whole lot different than that. if you're not willing to commit more american boots on the ground in iraq, if you don't understand we'll never detroy isil without regional army that we'll have to be part. you're not ready to be commander in chief. really nobody on our side seems to be willing to put a plan forward that truly would detroy isil they need to be destroyed. look what they did to this woman in arizona f. i'm commander in chief we're going after these guys and go after them hard until they are destroyed. it will take american ground component to achieve that goal. >> dickerson: you've talked about your experience. you use the word novice, are all the other candidates novices?

>> they need to make the days if they're not. i can tell you what i've been doing the last decade. i've learned from high own mistakes and from president bush's mistakes, president obama's mistakes, senator 5:00 cane and i have been more right than wrong. we were standing by him to take action against -- when used chemical weapons and president failed to do so. i don't see anybody on our side coming up with a robust plan that truly would detroy isil if we don't hit them there, they're coming here according to the fbi director and director of national security. on our side i really don't see anybody, marco rubio has been good on foreign policy but you have to realize you're not going to detroy isil. >> dickerson: but he has about the same experience on senate foreign relation, is that president obama, but you're saying that's what we don't

need. >> last thing we need somebody not ready to be commander in chief on day one. years in the air force, 35 thrips on the ground to iraq and afghanistan, i know what works and what's not working. president obama strategy to destroy isil is failing miserably you can't do this from the air. the kurds are not the ground component we need to go into syria without syria being fixed. and they're coming here. >> dickerson: let me ask you about hillary clinton she turned over her server to the fbi, there's going to be hearings in october, seems like professionals have gotten now in hand, why not let system work it's way through these issues and move on to talking about what the voters care about, leave the professionals to investigate this issue? >> number one congress has -- but probably never known the server there's two things. the criminal investigation should be in the hands of

professional. she sets of said two things are thought holding water i turned overall the e-mails related to business to the state department. now we know that sidney blumenthal sent her 50 e-mails, not in the batch she turned over. never passed classified information on the server now we know there's not true. there is criminal investigation, let the professionals do that but she is in charge of benghazi where four americans died. she was in charge of their security. she failed miserably before, during and after. what i can't believe is they're not one e-mail from hillary clinton or to hillary clinton about the attack on september the 11 or week after. if there's no e-mails about benghazi to her or from her that doesn't sound right. i want to see those. >> dickerson: senator lindsey graham thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. joining us now is one of the

democrats challenging hillary clinton for the nomination. former maryland governor, martin o'malley. i want to pick up, let's play something she said i want to get your reaction. >> by the way, you may have seen that i recently launched a snap chat account. i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. >> dickerson: so, is this funny now, this issue of the e-mail? >> i think the most important issue is whether or not we still have the ability as a people to make the choices that make wages go up for americans and make our economy work for all of us. i'm sure that -- dash you have legitimate question to ask in secretary clinton and her lawyers can answer it. but my part, i tend to put out

the ideas and policies that make college more affordable for more people. that expand social security, to get wages to go up again for majority of us who are all working harder instead of down. that's what i'm going to talk about. i'll leave to you ask secretary clinton those other questions. >> dickerson: it's great, you are doing exactly what her campaign says is e-mails are not about trust, people don't care about what, they care about is whether or not they trust to you take care of those issues. you agree with that. the way they look at the e-mail question? >> i think the electorate looks at candidates in very holistic way. they ask of these candidates has independence, the proven ability and experience and ideas that actually serve our nation and move us forward. i've done that. i'm the only candidate in our party with 15 years of executive experience. not just talking about progressive goals but actually achieving things like the best schools in america. more affordable college. highest median income of any state in america. these are the things that people care about and these are the things i'm going to talk about. with that voters will draw their

own conclusions about ability, integrity and trust. and who should lead us forward as a nation. >> dickerson: you talk about that executive experience, how does it work when you talk to voters who don't trust that whatever experience you have that government can actually work? >> cynicism runs very deep now. for good reason. this is the first decade this side of world war ii where we're all working harder but majority of us are earning the same or less than we were 12 years ago. people understand that unless we can get things done again as a nation, you can less we can make the investments and put back in place things like increase minimum wage when we're going to continue to kind of stumble backwards into the future and our kids have less opportunities than we've had. the reason and way i talk about it is this, we all know can't make our economy work again for all of us unless our government actually works as well. and then i'm able to point to the things that i've done in office to make our government work and make our economy work better. higher rate of job creation than

our neighbors north and south. investments in infrastructure and affordable college other things we need to do as nation. >> dickerson: you want more debate. >> i sure do. more than zero. >> dickerson: what question would you ask hillary clinton? >> what question could i ask hillary clinton, what sort of ideas she has to make our economy work again for all of us and whether or not she has the independence to reign in the recklessness on wall street that tanked our economy once and threatens to do it again. i am in favor of reinstituting -- in favor of putting robust prosecutorial effort on wall street. and as candidate for president each much us needs to state whether we're for -- whether or not against transpacific partnership i'm against the keystone pipeline. where does she stand. she's are things you can only have answered in the debate. >> dickerson: thanks so much. we'll be right back in one minute with our political panel.

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>> dickerson: we turn to our panel, peggy noonan, ron fournier, robert costa covers politics for the "washington post." and also joining us is the new chief political correspondent for slate magazine, jamelle bouie and mark halperin. you went on mr. trump's wild ride at the iowa state fair. let's take a listen.

>> number one in every single poll by double digits in many cases. we're having a good time. people agree with my message. make america great. >> dickerson: do you get free hat when you ride the helicopter? what did you make of mr. trump and the show out there? >> he got better reaction than sarah palin or george w. bush at the fair for what is that worth. partly i walked with him about 40 minutes. people shouted thick to him that were frivolous a lot of things like, save the country, stop hillary clinton, we need you. the establishment today based on his performance at the fair, latest polls, i think simultaneously freaked out by trump and still in denial. >> dickerson: peggy, let me ask you, there's trump then the trump phenomena. john kasich suggested easy

ruminating something important, if you read the editorial page what he's doing is tapping into some of the worst instincts of a portion of the electorate. which is it? >> well, i think the "wall street journal" editorial page is a very great editorial page. but i think john kasich had a political way of approaching the trump phenomenon which is to say as candidate, i understand this, i relate to this indignation and desire for change. carly fiorina approached it also. in the republican feel there is gingerness how to treat donald trump there is a general sense that trump is going to be successful right up to the moment in the way he determines he will not be successful. no one is going to take him down. he will take himself down if he goes down. >> dickerson: because if you say something mean he's coming back

at you. >> in the papers he actually made a warning he said, you know, i don't hit first, i hit second, i hit hard. >> dickerson: what is your sense of what trump and bernie sanders, voters are the ones that make this connection between the two, how do you see the electorate this time around? >> i think sanders and trump are channeling voters what are angry at very -- on the left with bernie sanders is wall street. a tremendous amount of anger among left of the american people that wall street was never punished for the great resection, never puppished for the financial collapse. even if the bail outs were necessary solution that the people who were responsible for taking the economy walked away scot-free. for trump and the right there is genuine frustration and anger at the the republican elites, even if, i think republicans, can't

really do everything. even totally legit answer it still remains that republicans didn't do anything to stop immigration. didn't do anything to stop affordable care act or signature accomplishments of the obama administration. republicans couldn't stop or even throw town that much. >> dickerson: we'll come back we'll talk more about trump with all of you. lot more with our panel coming up we'll be right back.

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>> dickerson: welcome back to fakes the nation. we're back with peggy noonan, robert costa reports for the "washington post," jamelle bouie writes for slate magazine and ron i want to ask you about donald strum he stayed atop the poles after the debate, people didn't know whether he'd finally gone too far. he's still atop. his challenge has been the number of republicans who say they will never vote for him. the highest in that poll number and general election match ups. he loses to bernie sanders, hillary clinton, joe biden, he has shown any signs of doing anything that solves that problem for him? >> we can talk endlessly what he's done politically. issue wise, personality wise, temper meant he's not done thing

that he should be anywhere near the oval office. this isn't about donald trump this is about an angry america, anxious america that has been let down by the political system that knows nobody is paying attention to him that no poll six only care about winning. it's electorate that is part of a big social chain. this thing called the internet now used to major disruptions. they now know they have power to bring down the media and change our business, to change retail industry, banking industry, seen great changes they want it in politics. trump winds up or flames out, this is what he represents, what he reflects this anger and anxiety on this demapped for disruption is not going to go away until somebody who is real and credible and positive and forward looking changes politics. only way we're going to stop this trump phenomenon. >> dickerson: robert, the next challenge for trump is turning the circus that he's created

into an organization. he's going to have to create an organization, what is your sense of that part of the campaigning for him? >> i spoke with trump and his campaign manager, what is this moment mean for the trump campaign? there was it's a time of transition. trump needs to keep up the energy he has attentioned with the republican base. at the same time need to build more of infrastructure in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, also unvail policy plans. trump came out with immigration paper today expects early september to come out with one on taxes. he's talking to different people at think tanks. he doesn't want to lose the edge he has. but in iowa to help have ground game, have big blue bus with trump make america great again. all these wal-mart parking lots and signs people up. the celebrity draws people in. how do you keep them with trump.

>> to mark's point, they think they can stop this guy. establishment is weak now. parties are weak. if the people decide this is the best for their change, trump can go a long way. >> two universes, the establishment where bush, walker, rubio, maybe kasich can be the nominee. that is the universal grass roots voters. they put trump, carson, fiorina, four outsiders, anti-establishment candidates towards the top. right now trump's ability to convert the energy, you have 2,000 people as carsond as trump has done you get names and bring new people into the process that's what president obama did in washington they have the capacity to change the republican electorate. the establishment doesn't understand that. i don't think -- >> because you look at the kinds of people that trump is appealing to that cruz and carson are appealing to, this is sort of -- the white working

class, this is the white lower middle class, people who justifiably economically anxious, shut off from major institutions but they are not a new part of the republican -- >> they are, some of them don't vote. trump people in iowa are bringing in people who say, what is a caucus, what do i do to support donald trump. the establishment has always run. perhaps natural order will be restored. >> 20 years ago they would have identified as democrat. now they are -- >> they are general election. but as far as the general election is concerned let's say that trump comes out still did not guarantee any sort of republican victory. alienate and middle class whites who may be afraid of this -- >> could i note that a lot of

middle class people also for trump not only working class. he's got some pull in the great american middle there. >> dickerson: what do you think about what lindsey graham tried to do today. this is effort number 47 to try to take down trump, his argument basically was, he's for self deportation, remember how that hurt mitt romney last time around. danger if the person at the top of the polls. is that credible argument? >> it is. a lot of the republican leadership believes, as everyone saying could lose voters in general election. trump not backing down. in fact the one u.s. senator he called on this new immigration, jeff sessions in alabama, the favorite of the hard right. trump said i'm still with you on immigration. i'm coming out with a policy paper. but i'm still with you. >> all trump said about immigration so far that he wants to kick everybody out and let the good ones back in expedited

basis. you though what that is? that is gold plated amnesty. the base doesn't understand that. >> what do you make of john kasich if we can switch from trump to our guest today. he's a happy warrior out there bouncing around the campaign trail. >> he is. the happy warrior, a phrase that franklin roosevelt used on al smith trying to capture some of his magic on the trail. i think kasich is looking good in new hampshire. i interviewed him this week, he was of course very bullish. but he made a big point that he made partly today. he said, my background is so conservative in terms of spending and taxing and trying to balance budgets and turning around ohio's credit rating that's all conservative. he said that -- he said to me you well know this is the man

who has a real heart for certain issues that vibrate among americans. one is to do with the young mentally ill. the other is what to do about those addicted to drugs. he has an unembarrassed heart in his approach to those questions. i think it's going to have some power. >> the establishment of the party is going to have to settle on one or two people by march 1. i think today if you look at again the four people the establishment talk about, governor christie aside, case i can, bush, walker, rubio, one right now is a rising stock, one who has got least obvious blemishes in terms of momentum is kasich, but no one has gone after him. >> i think there's a sweet spot for republican candidates. basically i want to cut your taxes, i don't want to stick it to in that. kasich hits that perfectly, he wants to be responsible, wants

to make sure people bet health care and keep mentally ill can get care. that's combination that is very potent, bush's combination. it's the kind of approach that really does appeal to a wide section of americans. people who may not even think of voting for republicans in the first place. >> i find him to be the most reaganesque of the candidates. he's aspirational, ideological and pragmatic. i want the see what happens when mike murphy and bush unloads -- >> don't take anything away from others have said he's media favorite candidate that is a dirty little secret that is a big benefit. mccain was, when you're media favorite candidate you do well. >> he is doing okay. but like every candidate pretty

substantial when it comes to super pac. >> dickerson: who elsef kasich is on the rise who is on the fall or who has been blotted out by the change in the labor day scape? >> hardest thing right now is if if -- you see a lot trying to cozy up to trump. hope they eventually fall their way but still it's impossible to get attention if you're not -- don't have the swalinger of trump. don't have that humanity of trump that comes through in unbrutalled enthusiasm he has at every event. >> and a big super pac money and earl state and long term strategy very few of the candidates are thinking about the -- >> the cruz people think it's their moment, potential government shut down, that was cruz, that's how he became a

national star in 2013 if the republicans try to shut down the government they think they can see a radio searchness. >> dickerson: we'll talk about some democrats, stay with us, we'll be back in a moment. can a business have a mind?

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iraq given that -- >> it was a mystery to me. it was the reagan library in a way -- is not really where he should be. because of his brother. but also not where the american people are when they're thinking about foreign policy they're very concerned with the concern of what do we knee about isis all those future things. we litigating seemed a strange thing, there are a number of candidates who are stuck in kind of tar paper or -- jeb is stuck on the bush thing. it's hard for him to get away from it. >> i thought it would be easy. his father is held in great esteem. his brother is held in better esteem. who better to talk about the mistakes we made in iraqnd than guy named bush. we have somebody yesterday who said, the war never should have happened. should have let the troops in.

it's really -- said that yesterday. donald trump. he is speaking common sense we got big problems. >> must be the national security candidate. going to veterans events this week, he needs to be conservative governor of florida that record will be advertised. he needs to be the president on -- only potential commander in chief. only way to talk about national security is what has gone on recently. epopts out the last two republican presidents, can't avoid talking about their legacy even if he does it somewhat uncomfortably. >> let's switch to the democrats. hillary clinton's e-mail issues, she turned over her server that was unexpected. said she wasn't going to do that. she has a three-pronged approach. one make light of it. made that snap chat joke. others that total partisanship, other to get involved with some fights, taking on jeb bush and marco rubio, what is your

thoughts? >> probably work to 'individual any damage to her in the democratic primary assume she's the nominee. i myself have very hard time, especially when campaign can remember that democrats and republicans have hard time image ink anyone walks into a voting booth i love hillary clinton. but the e-mails, going to vote more marco rubio now. that is just not going to happen. >> what i do think is her problem with the e-mails is the extent to which they emphasize the worst parts of -- i think what people believe about her. people believe she's too secretive. she might be hiding something, not being honest. even if there's nothing there in this e-mail saga i think that when it comes to getting to the momentum take to actually compete strongly in general

election, it holds her back. i don't think it prevents her. i just don't think that's how campaigns work. >> dickerson: what is your take on -- >> i don't disagree with anything you're saying. but not the only issue. not just about who is winning or losing there is bigger issues involved. a year ago if you asked me you would you consider working for secretary clinton, i'd think about it. six months ago, would you vote for her. now i can't tell you that i trust her. there are some big issues involved. i don't tell you that i trust her with the freedom of information act. i can't trust her with congress to conduct oversight. i can't tell you i respect her to look back on archival documents see how our leaders lead. if this precedent that she's established allowed to stand because she won, memory will be upped assault forever. no longer be a public memory.

i can't even talked about classified documents. i also wonder about we have scandal how does it reflect on the kind of leader. what street this about the kind of leader. someone who can we can trust to be transparent and accountable? someone whose judgment we can count on. someone's whose integrity. i don't know if i can trust hillary clinton any more. doesn't make me happy to say that. >> they're dealing with spin and misdirection rather than authenticity and openness which is what the public would like. and the fbi and justice department based on what's been reported what they're doing seems to be doing security investigation that could draw in her aides, could potential draw in her -- as long as is posture to deny and spin she's setting herself for this to be a very long running problem. >> i'm not going on to say i'm voting against her because of the e-mails, but i agree with her on climate change but is she going to get it done.

can i trust her? >> do you think this is a -- now heard about joe biden possibly running for president the difficulties for hillary clinton han coincided with the time that joe biden will make up his mind. we have a conflakes here a little bit, but is there a path for joe biden? >> there may be. talk to democrats who are friendly with biden and al gore sense that her campaign is weakening at the same time still have to beat her. she as a formidable operation, an historic candidate, deep roots. strategize on the sideline once you get in how far are you doing doing are governor o'malley doesn't want to go hard. same with senator sanders. >> and sashes going to lose some contest. when she loses, go to sports melt fore, does she bleed, does she fight back and who is -- if bernie sanders beat her in a caucus can she fight back?

more likely than if joe biden or al gore. >> a bit of information about hillary clinton's electoral status the sheer number of endorsements she has. she has more endorsements as primary candidate, any primary candidate since the '70s. i cannot imagine a scenario which losing state like iowa or new hampshire would damage her chances. require the bulk of the democratic party to say, i got to find someone else that just seems unrealistic. >> i can't imagine scenario which nobody comes forward on the democratic side to challenge mrs. clinton. the difficult time with the e-mails isn't going to end for awhile because the department of justice, the fbi, the courts. this is going to go on. her numbers are going down, still strong in iowa but getting hurt in new hampshire. i don't understand democratic

party in which somebody doesn't look at this and say, that is a bruised candidate, i am going in there. i just don't -- republicans got too many. >> dickerson: anybody who can step in say, make it -- >> 17 people trike to shake it up. i don't understand the democrats. >> i think she wins the nomination after losing a state or two, better chance of that because of becoming president. more people in the media and democratic party who are -- why they don't have to say is this just about winning, is this all this about? >> it is very unusual for party to hold the white house. >> don't underestimate, i agree with you about the e-mails and important policy issue, don't underestimate how good she's been the last couple of weeks, the list of things. when she's gone after

republicans and aggressively taken and engaged with the republicans likely to be the nominees she's been very strong. >> she's been doing a lot of policy speeches as well. >> let's not forget about bernie sanders, he's doing better in the national poles. explain to people what his chances are far the long term here despite the real energy he has at the moment. >> you see him willing go almost all 50 states not just the primaries but going to liberal hot beds looking ahead. but the grass roots networks, the neighboring senator, provides him with strength and out of those -- clinton's network and campaign he can get a launch to real fight, long drawn out. >> want to know why donald trump is doing so well. all we talk about whether or not she's -- you're rights. that's why -- >> dickerson: we're going to have to end it on that.

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>> dickerson: secretary of state john kerry traveled to cuba to reopen opted u.s. embassy there. cbs news foreign affairs correspondent margaret brennan was there. >> just a few pulls of a rope to bring an end to the cold war. the stars and stripes are once again flying at the u.s. embassy in cuba for the first time since 1961. secretary of state john kerry marked the occasion in havana. >> a day for pushing aside old barriers and exploring new possibilities. >> but carey, highest ranking u.s. official to visit cuba since 1945, called on the castro government to embrace democracy for the benefit of both countries. >> the establishment of normal diplomatic relations is not something that one government

does as a favor. it is something that two countries do together when citizens of both benefit. >> that announcement excited people here in havana and they hope it's going to soon pay offer. they're hungry for american products and technology, all those things that have been cut off for so long by the u.s. trade embargo. they hope more american visitors will mean more money. but half century long rift will not be repaired overnight. revolutionary fidel castro came to power in 1959 promising democracy. >> if we're going to be free for the political organizers we are not democracy. we are fought for the -- >> at the height of the cold war his embrace of communism under the umbrella of the soviet union led the u.s. to shutter it's em

been see and cut ties in 1961. led to american shores. a failed u.s. sponsored invasion and castro's decision to allow soviet nuclear missiles on the island nation just 09 miles off the coast of florida nearly sparked a war. but pressure on the government may build now sometimes convenient enemy is a friend once again. >> we're now engaged in diplomacy and able to help the fed right. help them understand ourselves better what is happening in cuba. >> president obama's decision to reach out has not persuaded the u.s. congress with the trade embargo. keeps them cut off from each other. that limits renewed relationship and going to take hard work to repair a rift that is decades long. >> dickerson: reporting from havana. we'll be right back. are you moving forward fast enough?

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>> dickerson: we want to pay tribute to civil rights activist julian bond who died last night after a brief illness. bond helped found student nonviolent coordinating committee putting him at the center of the struggle for racial justice in the 1960s. it was a cause to which he devote his entire life. julian bond was 75. until next week for "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org ,,,,,,,,,,

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