>> dickerson: today op "face the nation." wrapped new cbs poll numbers show good news for donald trump and ben carson. but not so good for hillary clinton. >> i'm leading the pack i will tell you with the people, people are tired of incompetence. they're tired of people that don't get it done. >> dickerson: he's right about all that we'll tell you why with results from a new cbs news tracker poll of key primary states. we'll get trumps reaction and we'll also talk to the man hot on his heels. neurosurgeon ben carson. and hillary clinton's campaign does it need a resnoot we'll talk to president obama's former strategist and we'll have analysis on the political news of the week including joe biden's emotional struggle over his political future. it's all ahead on "face the

nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. labor day is behind us, football season started the second republican debate just three days away. so we have some brand new poll numbers this morning from our cbs news 2016 battleground tracker, we'll be tracking the candidates in the early primary states throughout the next few months. first the republican field in iowa. donald trump is at the top with 29% of likely g.o.p. voters. ben carson is not far behind at 25%. there's the rest of the pack, all 14 of them. ted cruz has 10% support remaining candidates trail behind in single digits. in new hampshire, donald trump is way out in front with 40% of the vote. ben carson follows with 12%, ohio governor john kasich at 9% and carly fiorina is at 8% the rest of the field follows mind

her. down in south carolina, donald trump is at the top of the field again with 36% support, web carson at 21%. the rest of the republican field follows way behind in single digits, the next closest candidate, ted cruz with just 6%. we'll have numbers for the democratic race in a few minutes. but begin with the leader donald trump who joins us by phone. mr. trump your numbers are on the rise but so, too, are ben carson, our poll shows that a lot of people who are looking at you, ben carson is their second choice. so what is the one thing that you have got that would make you a better president than ben carson? >> well, i'm a deal maker. i'll make great deals for this country, ben can't do that, ben's ac he's not a deal maker. and i'll make great deals for our country which is very important i see yesterday in iowa the place was going wild we had record crowds. and they want competence, they can't deal making they want to take back our jobs from china

and japan and mexico and all of these countries that are just ripping us up. i have been a world class businessman, according to everybody that talks about me in terms of the world of business. i make deals. i'll bring back jobs. i'll also bring back wealth to our country and i'll build up our military so that nobody is going to mess with us and i'll take care of our vets and do things such as that. but ben is not a deal maker at all. and i don't think would be very good -- i don't think that's in his ability at all. >> when we last talked you mentioned hedge fund managers were getting away with murder you mentioned that again yesterday. who else is getting away do you think with murder think economy? >> well, i just used that as the example because i know these guys they're all supporting jeb bush and hillary clinton. it's funny when i hear them talking we've got to stop this and this they don't mean it because they're totally controlled by hillary and jeb in

particular totally controlled by the hedge fund guys and the wall street guys. but hedge funds in particular. they pay very little tax, that's going to end when i come out with my plan in about three weeks, could be sooner than that. we have an amazing tax plan, we'll reducing taxes for the middle class but for the hedge fund guys they're going to be paying up. >> anybody else have to worry about their snacks. >> think i just generally reduction. i want corporate reduction, bring the money back into this country, we have two and a half trillion dollars john out of this country and the corporations rightfully don't bring it back because they have massive tax to pay we got to make it so they can bring it back. i'll be bringing it back, we'll have lot of money pouring into the united states if i get elected. we'll make it possible for them by lowering their tax rate. we're going to be lowering it for corporations because we want jobs. we can't jobs coming back into this country where you have all of this money, this vast wealth sitting outside of the country because rightfully if you were

running the company, if i was running the company, wouldn't bring it back in. we will bring back trillions of dollars into this country. >> i was thinking about you and ross perot recently another billionaire ceo candidate who didn't like to trade deals, that the country was engaged in. he used to talk about was ceo pay that it gotten too high now 350 times the average worker doing that bug you at all as you think about your tax plan and inequities in the economy? >> well, it does bug me. it's very hard if you have free enterprise system to do anything about that. the boards of companies are supposed to do it but i know companies very well. and the ceo puts in all his friends so you'll take a company like, i could say macy's or many others where they put in their friends as head of the company and they get whatever they want. because the friends love sitting on the board. so that's a system that we have and it's ashame and disgraceful and sometimes the boards rule but i would say it's probably less than 10%.

you see these guys making these enormous amounts of money, it's a total and complete joke. >> dickerson: when you talk about the system and politicians what are running it poorly, have you thought about any kind of reform, agenda that would include the campaign finance system you've criticized that, but anything on that or on term limits or a balanced budget is there a reform agenda behind your candidacy? >> the biggest reform to get competent people in office. i mean that's to me the biggest reform we could make. if you put competent people in office, really competent people, we need the best. look at places like china they have superstars at their positions, they arrive there at different methods. they arrive by being smart. we arrive therefore, i don't know, neighborhood believe some of the people that we have in office then even harder to believe some of the people they appoint to represent us on trade and other things. the biggest reform we can make is to put really competent, super competent people in office. and frankly that's what i'm trying to do i'm doing, this i've been politician for three

months. i'm average lot of fun. very gratified when i hear your numbers that's really fantastic. i'm surprised in new hampshire because frankly ben carson is a very, very nice man. but we will -- this will not be a good situation because of the fact that he's not a dealer, he's not a negotiator. and the president has to be -- we have to bring wealth back into our country. we're a country with 19 trillion in debt. we have 19 trillion. we have to get rid that have bring wealth back into our country. ben can't do that. >> dickerson: let me ask you a question, you've been politics for three weeks let's go back to your experience in the business world. i want to ask you about the comment that was quoted in rolling stone that you mentioned about carly fiorina, think about in business context. rolling stone quoted you said look at that face, would anyone vote for that. can you imagine the face of our next president. she's a woman, i'm not supposed to say bad thing but really folks, come on, are we serious? ask you a business question not

a political correctness politics question, how would you expect the human resources department to handle that if an executive at your company was heard saying that about a woman employee? what would you -- >> first of all i was talking about per persona. she had tremendous bad luck, she been a bad job, hewlett-packard was a disaster, the company she was at before hewlett-packard was a disaster. two disaster, now she's running for president but of course she lost in landslide to barbara boxer. you know, to be honest with you, the problem we have we're so politically correct that we captain get out of our way. people make statements that all of a sudden the statements -- i'm only talking about her per zone. that she hasn't done a good job in, you could call it the private sector. the companies, take a look at the record, look at the yale law school, top man at yale law

school came out with a raging report. she's one of the worst executives in his memory in history running the company. well, you know what, maybe she is isn't. but can we really take a chance. in my case, i made over $10 billion net, net, net, i've created a tremendous company. i have some of the greatest assets in the world and to be honest with you that's the kind of mindset -- i'm not saying that to brag i'm saying that's the mindset that our country needs. >> dickerson: mr. trump, unfortunately we're out of time thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. dickerson: all right. take a closer look at the republican numbers in our cbs battleground tracker joining us now is cbs news elections director anthony salvanto. i want to go behind the horse race a little bit see what we can figure out about the country. what do republican voters want to see in a candidate? >> exactly what you just heard in that interview. they are buying donald trump's

record. we asked what is the most important thing you're looking for in a candidate. number one answers business and private sector experience. couple of things are striking about that, first is, that the head of being a true conservative which tells you a little bit about maybe why some of trump's rivals messages aren't finding the mark. >> dickerson: because their message has been he's not a true conservative. >> they're challenging his conservative credentials, well, that's not quite so important here. >> dickerson: and who is the trump voter then that you found in these numbers? >> well, i think it's actually more of a coalition rather than one particular kind of voter, it's interesting. about half of them are angry conservatives. what they're angry 'bout that the party has actually in their mind, actually compromised too much so they want more form of conservative. there is another hat. these people are a little bit new tore the process, lot of them tell us they haven't voted

in primaries before. for them that message of economic populism, really seems to resonate. they tell us they wouldn't mind say raising taxes on wall street, raising taxes on those hedge funds. and for them that economic message is important, it's like what they're hearing is, he's saying i know the system is rigged. i know you can distant from the process but i can take add vac and i'll cut you in on the deal. >> dickerson: like what he had to say about the ceo pay. that's really interesting the point about angry conservatives those are the ones that felt betrayed by the conservative lawmakers who have not been true to their word yet rewarding trump because of his business experience. let me ask you question about immigration and those voters that coalition you talk about how important is that to that coalition? >> i think it's really important. one of the things that cuts across donald trump is this very strong view that illegal immigrants should be deported. that is a view that's actually

to the right of lot of other republicans, to the right of of course independence but one thing that also agree on maybe that's an issue that bridges the gap across republicans the way taxes used to be. the way did for democrats couple of years ago, of course then very much like independent nationwide. >> dickerson: supporters are enthusiastic about donald trump they change the kind of way they think about attributes required for president. is that -- is there a ceiling on that for trump? where does he have room to grow and does he have room to grow? >> it's interesting. donald trump is almost no one's second choice. we ask people, who is your first choice then who is your second. donald trump that is great support of course in the first but not so much in the second that tells me that he's very much a known commodity. either like him and know him or they don't. ben carson is more of people's second choice. but having said that i'm not

sure always matters whether or not he has a ceiling because this is a fractured field. you can win if it stays fractured at 0 or 40% about where he is. >> the ben carson vote, while i get your point about splitting things up. carson has -- wondering about room to grow. >> yeah. fact that he is in second place also lot of people's second choice, dr. carson's support looks lot like donald trump's support which to say that it cuts across all the groups that we like to categorize. the tea party, evangelical, conservative, moderate. he does well with all of them. >> dickerson: we'll talk to ben carson. anthony stay with us we'll talk to you about what you found among democrats. now turn to the other republican we've been talking about dr. ben carson he joins us from charleston. what do you make about your position in the polls? >> well, i'm glad to see that so

many people are starting to listen to what i'm saying. evaluating it on its merits as opposed to listening to what people have portrayed me as saying, make a big difference. >> dickerson: want to talk to you about what anthony and i were talking about what are the attributes that make a president. i'm not trying to create a fake fight but donald trump says that you have no energy, that he can make deals. what is your sense of that? is he right, are you too nice to be president? >> well, i don't think so. i don't think there's anything wrong with being nice but you have to recognize that my life is multi-faceted. growing up having multiple jobs, experiencing every level socioeconomic level in, spending 18 years on the board of kellogg. 16 years on the board of costco.

enormous amount of experience. chairman of the compensation committee for fortune 500 company. and in fact if you go back you look at the compensation of the top executives it was really very reasonable, nothing like what you were talking about in the previous segment. i have a lot of experience doing things. starting a national nonprofit nine out of ten which fail. ours has only not failed but working in all 50 states hat won major national awards that are only given to one nonprofit in the country a year. so, it's ridiculous to think that the only thing that i can do is neurosurgery. i find it quite humorous when people say he's idiot savant they don't know what it takes to become a neurosurgeon. >> you wrote about importance of humility. and how important that has been in your life, why is it important for a president to have humility?

>> because you need to be able to listen. one of the things that i have discovered throughout the many things that i've been involved in is that we have some incredibly talented people in this country. i just finished this morning taking to someone who is a cybersecurity expert and listening to all the things, just mind boggling. you have to be humble enough to be able to listen to other people and recognize that sometimes they might actually know more than you do. and be able to integrate that. there's nobody who knows everything. but we have incredibly talented nation. if we use our things appropriately our strength is in our unity not in our divisiveness. everything seems to think that whatever they do is greatest thing. if you're a politician, only politicians can solve the problems f. you're a businessman, only businessman can solve the problems. lawyer, doctor, that's

ridiculous. what we need to do put our talents together, understand what our goals are and then utilize all of our talents to accomplish this. >> dickerson: when you think of donald trump is he humble enough to be president? >> that would be a decision that the voters will make. >> dickerson: what's your thought on that? >> as i said, i think i'm going to leave that up to the voters, that's the appropriate way to do it. >> dickerson: let me ask you this about the voters, particularly the donors you have highest number of people donating to your campaign of any of the republican candidates. you talked about that, seemed to get emotional about it earlier this week, temp us about that. >> well, i was talking about the kind of people who are donating to us. by the time the debate comes up we'll be just under 500,000 donations. average one being about $50. some of those donors are on

fixed incomes and they write letters and say, i can only give $25. but next month i'm giving 25 2/3rds, too. when i think about people being willing to sacrifice like that, and what they have been through and what they think about the future of our country there's no way that i can let those people down. >> dickerson: asking about immigration which as you said that donald trump's plan for deporting those undocumented workers here is unrealistic. is it unrealistic because unfeasible or is it -- do you have a moral problem with that notion of trying to deport all the undocumented workers who are here. >> the logistics are difficult. as i said, i'm all ears. if somebody can tell me exactly how you can do that i would certainly be interested in hearing it. but the fact of the matter is, our problem is that our federal government is not supporting the

local authorities at the border. it's disgusting what is going on. people are risking life and limb just to have come along say, that -- when i was a kid that barely represented any impediment whatsoever. it's ridiculous. until we seal our borders everything else is irrelevant. let's say we get them filled because in the carson administration that what be done in the first year. also turn off the spigot that dispenses the goodies so that people don't have any incentive to come here and those who are here, we have to recognize that we captain just round them up but we can give them an opportunity to register. i would give them six-month period if they register they have a pristine record, they haven't been causing problems, i would give them an opportunity to become guest workers, not citizens, not voting people, not people who get goodies. i think that would be a fairway to do it.

in terms of them becoming citizens later on down the road if they have done things the right way, we the american people will decide what the criteria will be. >> dickerson: thanks so much for being with us. we'll can back to see how that hillary clinton bernie sanders match up is going in the key primary states. he new, you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come.

>> dickerson: we're back with cbs news election director anthony salvanto. >> on the democratic side it is bernie sanders surging he's up in iowa. he is propelled there by liberal voters, by very liberal democrats. up ten points on hillary clinton there. and then in new hampshire where he's been doing well for awhile he's up substantially. same story. up with liberal voters and doing very well with independence, too. but the thing here, john, there's enthusiasm gap. bernie sanders voters say that they're enthusiastic about voting for him.

much more so than people who are supporting hillary clinton. seems to be coming out that he's speaking, he's resonating with that liberal component of the democratic base on the economic message, on the populous message going against the rich. going against the billionaire class. >> dickerson: just to recap up ten in iowa, up 22 in new hampshire, up by almost 40 points on the enthusiasm scale when that question was asked in new hampshire. >> shag winning in south carolina. there's a different set of demographics than other two states she's taking advantage of that. she's winning among democrats as opposed to the independents and doing very well with african american voters there as well. if you look further from south carolina down the line of primaries there are lot more states there in the south where she could have also that kind of favorable split. the other thing, too, john, that across all of these states democrats say that e-mail server

doesn't matter to them. very big numbers for that. in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, it's not affecting whether or not they are supporting mrs. clinton. >> dickerson: does she have some room there to return her standing, not impediment that won't go away? >> it's the enthusiasm as opposed to that particular issue whenner with see sanders is generating the. that that is pulling in a lot of people who are then gravitating. >> dickerson: just quickly on the joe biden question, 22% in south carolina that s that an opening? >> it may be. we tested in all of these states, even of course he's not formally in the race that's the state where he does do the best. he's just behind bernie sanders in fact in the poll, 23 to 22. yes, of the three states given his support right now that would probably be the place where he would go. >> dickerson: all right. excellent. anthony our director of elections. thank you so much.

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