. >> today on "face the the top f the republican field in the new cbs poll. we talk to both of them. >> i love it. i'm all the way. just so you understand, all the way, a hundred percent. >> continuing on the campaign trail. we sat down with donald trump to get his views on the chaos in congress, his campaign and more. >> we'll also talk to dr. ben carson about his provocative comments about guns and the holocaust. and as paul ryan considers jumping into the speaker's race, we talk to a key conservative in the house. congressman knic nick mull vain. a terist account in turkey. >> and the political panel, all ahead on "face the

nation". captioning sponsored by cbs >> i'm john dickerson, we have a new poll. donald trump is in first place in the republican field with 27%, the same as last month. ben carson is running second at 21%. ted cruz comes in next at 9%, followed by marco rubio, and jeb bush and carly fiorina are at 6% with the remaining coming in at less than 5% among primeary voters. democratic contenders, hillary clinton remains ahead of bernie sanders by a wide margin. if you include vice president joe biden, clinton still has a considerable lead. the rest of the democratic field comes in at 2% or less in either scenario. >> it has been a tumultuous week as they scramble to find someone who can be speaker of

the house. that's where we began when he sat down with donald trump on friday. >> paul ryan's name was mentioned as a possible speaker. what do you think? >> i think he's somebody that could get good support. i think he's a very nice person. i think he doesn't want it very badly. you never know. speaker of the house is a great position, but he doesn't seem to want it. i bet if it was offered to him, he would take it. >> you said you want somebody strong, is he strong? >> i think he's strong. when mitt romney chose him it was a tough choice, because he's been anti-medicare, social security in a sense. that played a parliament, and that was a disastrous campaign for a lot of reasons. paul ryan is a good man. i think he's a very good person. >> so you'd be okay with speaker ryan? >> i would be okay. it may not be him. there's a couple of people. i'm not going to mention names. i know a couple of people that

are really tough and smart. that's what we need because the republicans never win. at everything. obama care, whether it's on the debt ceiling. no matter what we have, there's never a victory. so we need toughness, and we don't have it. >> you said republicans -- i'm quoting from you here. something significant with the coming debt ceiling vote. that's the vote on whether the united states government can keep borrowing money. what can republicans do. >> if you check, i've been saying this for three years. that's a tremendously powerful weapon. if they knew how to use it. the problem is, you have 70% of the republicans saying we're not closing government. >> i wrote the art of the deal. when you say that, and the other side says that's not going to happen. the other 30% are essentially rendered useless. it's unfair to them. they're left out there hanging. so you need somebody who with unify and be tough and

win against the democrats. and in all fairness, against the world, essentially. they really do have a tremendously powerful weapon, but they don't use is properly. they're terrible negotiators. >> john boehner said there were false prophets in the republican party. i'm quoting. these false prophets are whipping people into a frenzy believing they can accomplish things that they know are never going to happen. he's kind of talking about you. >> i don't think so. i like him on a personal basis. but i do think they should be tough. here's the problem. when he says false prophets, you cannot win when you have a group of 25 or 30% on this side, and you have a group of 70% on this side saying we're never going along with the 30 percenters. that's happening. and it's so sad, because if they were unified and took at 30% stance, and really make changes and do it right and

cut the budget and the deficit and doot things they should be doing. if they took that group and everything was unified obama would fold. but there's no reason for him to fold, because he knows a big proportion -- a vast majority of the republicans are on his side. >> i want to ask you about your view on military power. you said in personal relations you're a counter puncher. is that a good way to think about the way you'd use military force as a president. >> i'm the most military based and the most militaristic person on the show. i want to have a strong military, so strong that nobody will mess with us. i want to the take care of our vets who are treated terblee. >> we have people in prison treated better than vets. they're third class citizens. but we have to make our military strong and hopefully every never have to use it. >> take an example of a case where you may or may not use military force. it turns out assad apparently

used chemical weapons on his own people. does president trump use military force? >> the time to do it is when he drew the line in the sand. i might have done it. it's terrible. now it's such a mess over there with everybody involved, and the air space is loaded. it's not that big of an area. the air space is very limited. now you have world war iii >> where you are now, a safe zone or a no fly zone. >> i like the safe sown for people. i do not like the migration, and the people coming. they're going to have riots in germany. what's happening in germany. i thought merkel was a great leader. what she's doing is insane. they're having attacks. >> legalitying in the refugees? >> the country should get together, including the gulf states who have nothing but money, they should all get together and take a big swath of land in syria and do a safe zone for people so they could have a safe place to live, and

ultpatly go back to where they came from. >> does the u.s. get involved? >> i would help them economically, even though we owe $19 trillion. but i don't take in 200,000 syrians who could be isis. i've been watching this migration. and i see the people. i mean, they're men. mostly men, and they're strong men. these are physically young strong men that look like prime time soldiers. it's probably not true, but where's the women? you see some women and children. but for the most part there's strong men. you have two things. number one, why aren't they fighting for their country. and number two, i don't want these people coming over here. and even as a humanitarian -- when i was first asked, you asked me a long time ago, when they talk about 3,000 people, i begrudgingly said okay. and then they said 10,000. i'm not triled, but maybe. 200,000 people. this could be the greatest

trojan horse. this could make the trojan horse look like peanuts if these people turned out to be a lot of isis. >> you and vladimir putin are showing strengths. do you have similarities with vladimir putin. >> i think peggy noonan is fantastic, and writing great things. i think she's fantastic. i think the biggest thing we have is that we were on 60 minutes together, and we had one of the best rated shows in a long time. that was good, right? we were stable mates. i think that we are very different. i think that i would at the same time get along very well with him. he does not like obama at all. he doesn't respect obama at all, and i'm sure that obama doesn't like him very much. but i think i would get along with them very well, and i don't think you'd be having the kind of problems that you're having right now. as far as him attacking isis, i'm all for it. if he wants to bomb the hell out of isis which he's starting to do. let him bomb them.

>> you have a concealed weapons permit. >> yes. >> when did you get it? >> years ago. >> why? >> because i like to have myself protected. >> do you carry? >> sometimes. >> would you advise in the context of current gun violence. would you advise people-i. i'm a big second amendment person. i'm coming occupant with a book in another three or four weeks called crippled america. i talk a lot about the second amendment in the book. had they had, as an example for the horrible thing that just took place in oregon -- had somebody in the room had a gun, the results would have been better. >> should people get armed like you are? >> up to them. i feel better be armed. whai. about teachers? >> if you have the teacher who knows how to use a weapon, you would have been better when somebody walks into a class to shoot people. i don't like -- if i wasn't number one, i wouldn't mention

it. >> you love polls at the moment. >> our latest cbs poll has you in the lead, and shows that two thirds of registered voters, 8 in 10 say you have a strong quality of leadership. >> that's a very big statement. >> that's a big statement. here's another statement. 60% of registered voters say you are not honest and trust worthy. that number has gone up since the last poll. >> better than hillary. >> if they think you're a leader, does it matter? >> i think the leadership is very important. i i think they know i'm a smart guy and i'm going to fight for the country. i'm self-funding. i've turned down tens of millions of dollars from rich lobbyists and rich special interests who want to give me $5 million, 10 million. i could have more money than bush, and i do, but it's my own money. i'm spending my own mony and people respect it. i think i'm leading in every poll by a lot. the leadership thing is very important.

people are not -- i think right now, what people want is they want competence. they're tired of other things. >> and trust doesn't matter? >> it important. and i happen to be an honorable guy. but one thing important, when i go to new hampshire and iowa and south carolina where i have very good numbers in terms of favorability. you know why? because i go there a lot, and you reported it. i went up 60 points in terms of favorability. somebody said it was a record. that's because when people get to know me, they get to like me. >> you've been on center stage for three months for a while. >> and locally -- i spent a lot of time. >> and again on favorability in our poll, only 28% of voters overall, and we're talking about a general election in our poll have a favorable poll. >> but i win hands down on leadership. double and triple anybody else. that's important to people now. they wanted leadership. they're tired of having weak incompetent >> what would you do --

>> i would cut ties. this is a great business. i have a $600 million yearly cash flow. i would cut -- my kids will run it. i wouldn't want to x*ention pand very much. it wouldn't matter to me. i have a chance at making america great again. that's the whole focus. so my children will run my business, and my executives. i have great executives. and they'll run it well. >> when i do these interviews, all of a sudden i take a lot of time. but i have wonderful children that are in business and wonderful executives. i would not even think about this business. it would be insignificant to me compareed to making our country great again. >> thermr. trichl, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> you can watch the full interview at cbs.com. we now turn to the candidate running a close second to donald trump in the new cbs

poll. dr. ben carson. that poll shows that a whopping 81% of republicans find him honest and trufts worthy, well above everyone else. he has a new book out called a more perfect union. dr. carson joins us from gainesville, georgia, this morning. dr. carson, the big news in washington here is about the vacant speakership in the house. what do you think about paul ryan for that job? >> i like paul ryan. i think he would do a fine job. i hope that all of the people who are being considered would have an opportunity to to put forth their philosophy on leadership, and that the members can make an intelligent decision. >> what do you think of what's happening in the house of representatives among the republicans right now? >> over the last few elections a lot of people have been sent to washington with the thought that maybe some changes could be made, and i don't think anyone is seeing any changes. and the electorate is

frustrated, and i think that's reflected by what's going on in congress right now. >> talk about the book you've got out now, and comments thaw made this week. there's a lot of talk about comments you made in which you said the likelihood of hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed. i want to talk about the context of that statement. in your book there's a passage in which you say confiscating the guns of american citizens would violate the constitution and render the citizenry vulnerable to criminals and tyrants. who wants to confiscate all the guns of the american citizens? >> well, what i'm talking about is the reason that we have a 2nd amendment. this is a book about the constitution. and the second amendment is part of it it's there for the rans that i stated in the book. in case of invasion by foreign

power, the people would be able to aid the military, and also if we have a time when we have the wrong people in office, and they want to dominate the people, the people will be able to defend themselves as daniel webster eloquently said. the people of america will never suffer under tyranny because they're armed. >> and i want to make sure i read this right. when you talk about confiscating the guns of american citizens, do you think that's a present threat, the notion that guns would be confiscated from american citizens? >> no. it is something -- many of the thing that is are in the constitution are to help to prevent horrible things from happening. so they're in place to make sure the people maintain liberty, and that the government remains constrained. those are the two purposes. >> and a quote that speaks to what you're talking about. in your book you say you were once a supporter of a ban on

assault weapons and armor piercing bullets. but then you say in the book, you recognize the intent of the 2nd amendment which is to protect the freedom of the people from an aggressive government. it sounds like the idea of an overly aggressive government that would require that kind of resistance is a clear and present danger. do you see it that day? >> i didn't say it was going on right now. i think the implication is quite clear that it is something that can happen, and i listed a number of countries where that happened. the fact of the matter is, if you go to those countries well before it happened and you asked the people if that's going to happen in their country, they would say, no, it wouldn't happen here. >> that's interesting. so many people are distrustful and angry at the government. and you mentioned countries. there's also the context in which you said the people in germany didn't speak up when

naziism was on the rise. duke it's that close here? is that just hyperbole to use the >> it's not hyperbole at all. whether it's on the doorstep or 50 years away, it's still a concern, and it's something that we must guard against. that's one of the real purposes of having a constitution. i think the founders were really quite insightful into looking at possibilities and understanding what happened in other places and trying to put together something that would prevent that from happening here. you know, there are a lot of people in the media who will take anything you say and try to make it into hyperbole and controversy, but the fact of the matter is, when you talk to average american citizens, they know exactly what i'm talking about. >> but the extermination of an entire race, the nazi goal. that's a big thing to compare our current situation to. that has people confused.

>> you do not want to >> let me ask you about the debt limit set to expire on the 5th of december. the government runs out of ability to borrow. there's confusion on your position. what should congress about raising the debt limit when set to expire? >> i don't have a problem with -- if i were in charge right now -- i would not cause us to default on that, but what i would say is this is the last time that's happening. we would tie the raising of that debt limit to some very significant actions so we're not here again next year. this happens year after year after year. we always get right up to the deadline, and now it's do or die, and you're forced to do it. that's a stupid way to run the government. >> dr. ben carson, thanks so much. we'll be back in one moment.

>> back with more skais on on capitol hill. joining us is congressman nick mullvainy. let's start with paul ryan. would you consider supporting him? >> i would consider it. first he has to make a decision to run, and then convince me and some other folks if he were in charge, the place would be different. convince us if he were the speaker the house would run differently and members would have a chance to participate in the process. the committee would have a chance to do work. they don't have that now. they're looking for a process. and paul certainly has respect across the republican aisle. and i think he'd be a good

speaker. >> there's reform of the rules you're looking for. does paul ryan have to answer that. i think paul has answered all of those questions. >> i think he should come meet with us, and i imagine he wants to do that if he wants to run. again, the issues on the list, primarily were rule changes, the way that our conference is run. that's what we're trying to reform through the process. >> if paul ryan does think about running, it appears baseed on the people i've talked to, that he would want to go forward with the full support, at least close to the 247 number of republicans, rather than going to the floor -- this is what mr. mccarthy was worried about -- going to the floor and not being able to get the 218

required. do you see a scenario in which that happens and everybody can come together. >> i think we get close. if paul convinces us -- i believe paul wants the changes we do. we have a conference meeting discussing rule changes attended by more than a hundred members of our conference. this is not just a conservative complaint. i know that paul is a committee guy. he likes when the committees are allowed to work. i think he's mentally commited to many of the same things we want. >> convince us of that, and we can deliver an overwhelming majority of the house. i don't think anybody is going to get 247. >> here's a thing about paul ryan. he doesn't want the job. why convince you of something -- a job he doesn't want. >> sometimes you just need to do it. the country and the party needs you, and if you decide you want to do it, that's great. if he doesn't, there's other people who could unite us. if you look down the list and say okay, who could unite the

party in the house, certainly paul comes to the head of the list. >> what due say to people, republicans who look at other members and say the country looks at the house of representatives and the republicans runing it and say this is chaos and they can't run the place? >> it's not true. i know it looks like that because of the media circus. on friday i had a hearing on the world bank, and school choice in washington, d.c. and a meeting with rand paul about the debt ceiling, and we passed a bill out of the house tho allow crude oil exports. >> busy, but there's blockage, what about the debt limit. it's coming november 5th. the government runs out of the ability to borrow. it happens again and again. >> the debt ceiling has been traditionally been used as a way to sort of sit back and say okay, how are we supposeed to pay for this. i describe appropriations season as christmas, and debt

ceiling when the bills come n. and the right thing to do is stand up and say we ran up the debt, what do we do to make sure it doesn't happen again. that's the right reasons to look, and we should do that. we should raise it, but as part and parcel of a larger package to solve some of the reason that is we have to raise it again. >> you want it to be raised? >> i want it to be raised as part of a package that fixes the reason that we have a debt ceiling problem. >> thanks for being with us. we'll be back if a moment.

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