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>> dickerson: a big week on the 2016 campaign trail. we have new poll numbers. cbs news battleground tracker. with the threat of a biden presidential run, safe low in the past, the clintons celebrated in iowa with katy perry. >> the struggle that women have had on the job of presidential spouse. >> done donald trump was in funk about clinton presidency. >> you have hillary elected president you're going to have country that's going to hell. >> one of his rifles new jersey governor chris christie. check in with the new top members of the house intelligence committee devin nunes and adam schiff about the benghazi. paul rebound as speaker. and get update on war on terror.
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plus we'll have reporters' roundtable all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we have new cbs news battleground tracker poll results from the key primary states. in the republican race it's all about donald trump in new hampshire. where as 38% he leads the pack by 26 points. ben carson is next with 12% followed by rest of the field in single digits. in south carolina, the story is the same, trump is ahead of carson by almost 20 percentage points with the rest of the field ted cruz, marco rubio and jeb bush all in single digits. everyone else coming in behind them. but in iowa republican race has tightened donald trump and ben carson are tied for first place at 27%. ted cruz only other candidate to earn double digits at 12%. marco rubio comes in at nine the
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rest of the field is at 6% or less. we'll have the numbers in the democratic race coming up in a moment. we want to go now to donald trump who joins us by phone. mr. trump in our polls we show you up everywhere but iowa where you're tied with ben carson and that plus some other recent polls in iowa seems to have made you go after mr. carson. >> i don't understand iowa i just left. we had tremendous crowds and tremendous enthusiasm and frankly even to be tied i'm a little surprised. i know that i'm very honored by what's happened in new hampshire and south carolina it's amazing results. amazing. but i think that iowa, it has that same in credible feeling, we had rally there the other day it was so intense and so much love in the room. i'm actually surprised. very surprised that i'm even tied in iowa. >> dickerson: let me ask you about some things you said about ben carson.
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in florida you said -- >> i'm presbyterian. that's down the middle of the road in all fairness. i mean, seventh day adventist i don't know about. >> dickerson: what did you mean by that? >> exactly what i said. i don't know about that. i don't know about what that is. i'm not that familiar with it. i've heard about it but i'm not that familiar with it. that wasn't meant to be insult obviously just that i don't know about it. >> dickerson: expression of ignorance not raising questions about it? >> harsh way of putting it perhaps i could say it that way because i don't know now -- i said, i don't know know about that. >> dickerson: you said mr. carson is controlled by his pac but he received more smaller dollar donations isn't that sign that he has grass root supports not that he's controlled by his pac as you claimed? >> the people running his pac are highly trained professionals i would imagine.
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those people are using that pac differently. they are running iowa for him. they are in there, they're doing all sorts of things that are totally different than what you are supposed to be doing and ben is in iowa very little. he does not go to iowa much. the people are doing leaflets, all this stuff, they are essentially campaigning for him in iowa. that's not what a pac is supposed to be. it's not supposed to happen that way. i disavowed all pacs many people setting up pacs f me we september letters saying we don't want, we respect them, we love them assume it's all on the up and up because i don't know these people run pacs i don't know what they do with everything for the ones that are doing it with the right intense but we disavowed all pacs everyone of them, john. every candidate should do the same thick. this whole pac concept is fraught with problems and i think you are going to see tremendous problems with pacs
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over the years, i have disavowing all pacs i don't want anybody -- i'm self funding my campaign, other than little contributions where people send $7 and $50 and $100 we love that because that's investment, that's real investment in our country and the campaign. but other than that i have totally -- i don't want any money i think that people should disavow candidates should disavow their pacs idea lieutenant me ask you about a challenger, what jeb bush said. >> i got lot of really cool things i could do other than sit around being miserable, listening to people demonize me. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >> dickerson: he says you're a demon eyeser. >> i'm trying to say it like it is. he paid one person $1.3 million and he's languishing way back in the pac. but his campaign is a total
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disaster. he's paid people far too much. now he's cutting everybody salaries. as businessman if he can cut salaries 40 and 50% why did he do it when he started? what is he doing it now? why did he hire them in the first place? that means they would have worked for a lot less money. but his campaign is in disarray. his whole thing is a mess. but he paid one person, as i understand it, maybe that's incorrect. but paid over a million dollars for one person and it's okay maybe after everything's done get great incentive but he's doing very poorly. don't pay that kind of money. >> dickerson: let me ask you couple policy questions. we're about to have fight over government's ability to borrow money, debt limit, do you think it's economic problem, debt limit is not raised? will that hurt the economy? >> i think what they should do is use the debt limit as strong negotiating tool to make other changes and to cut costs elsewhere. the republicans don't know how to negotiate to be honest with
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you. i'm republican, it's embarrassing to watch them negotiate. john boehner said the other day he will not use the debt limit, he will not close. well, i tell you what, when you say that you have now given everything to the democrats and to president obama because they have their way 100%. >> dickerson:let me ask you, do you think if it's breached that that is economic problem? rubio the question of negotiation. >> i don't want to say. we should use it as negotiation and problem we have in this country we're so predictable whether it's with isis or with iraq or with negotiation of a debt limit. boehner should not be saying we will not close. because you can't negotiate once you say that. you've given up 95% of your strength when you do that. i'm not going to say but i will tell you, it's an amazing tool to negotiate because it is a very, very -- it's fairly catastrophic if it happens.
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but some people are willing to go through that in order to win. by the way i'm not saying they shouldn't be. in order to win in order to cut the kind of costs. so much waste, so much fat it's like jeb bush's campaign. there's waste and there's fat. he's trying to solve the problem. but see, a person like that cannot solve the problem of the country because the country has the same problem that he has. >> dickerson: very quickly, balancing the budget is the number one thing in our polls say, republican say they want how fast would you as president balance the budget we're running out of time here? >> i'd like to do it as quickly as possible. i'll be able to cut far better than anybody else. i'll be able to bring jobs back far, far better than anybody else. nobody will be close. >> dickerson: mr. trump thanks so much for your time. >> thank you very much. dickerson: taking morning off campaign trail to joyous in person is 2016 republican, governor of new jersey, chris christie, welcome.
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i want to start with some of the tough comments you've made about republicans in washington first on the benghazi hearings they were ineffective with the secretary of state. >> i think they were. the fact is we should be talking about what really matters in that this sense. secretary clinton says that she is not responsible for what happened there. she says other security professionals were responsible yet she didn't fire anybody. and i think what the american people dislike the most about hillary clinton that they refused to be held accountable. mistakes happen. bad things happen. you need to be held accountable stand up to do that. she has no accountability. no transparency to what is going on. i don't think they did effective job. here is the thing. come next september when i'm on the stage with her in debates she'll have federal prosecutor asking these questions. >> dickerson: when he say she wasn't on top of it, her security staff, people said that about with you the washington --
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george washington bridge. he should have known this is happening it shows that he wasn't on top of things. >> bad things will happen sometimes, you have to be accountable. within 24 hours when that news came to new jersey i fired the people who were responsible. what happened to hillary clinton, why did those folks not fired? because she doesn't want to tell the truth. that is the biggest problem with hillary clinton. is that she doesn't -- she doesn't tell the truth. she doesn't want to be held accountable that's not the kind of person we need in white house. somebody who is willing to be accountable for what goes on in this country, what goes on on capitol hill. >> dickerson: republicans are trying to at least in the grass roots trying to hold their leaders accountable what is which this debate is tea bout. you have said jokers in washington, d.c. talking who is going to get the big office. isn't this a big debate? grass roots say in washington they're not representing our interests. some of the people who have --
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in touch with those grass roots are having a fight over who the next leader will be isn't that central what with r what the republican party if their leaders match up with what the grass roots think? >> no. what is central is doing something. let's face it. the obamacare should be repealed in place of market based solution. taxes should be cut and taxes should be reformed. that we should be doing those type of things to end wasteful spending in this country. none that have is being done by republican congress even the house in 2010, senate in 2014 that's being done. people tell me in new hampshire and iowa. just do your job. they don't care who the speaker is. i don't care who the speaker is as long as that speaker gets them to do those central things that we care about that's what matters the most not the game of thrones stuff. >> dickerson: one of the things is whether the new speaker or existing one will use debt limit as leverage mechanism to get some of the things you're talking about in negotiations with the president. do you think they should do
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that? >> they have awful record on spending. they spend and spend. don't argue until the bill comes do. when you're governor you have to be on top of -- cut spending over $2 billion, every tax increase that's come to my desk balance the budget. it's about being tough standing up doing what you need to do not waiting until the bill comes due. arguing about what the check says. they got it all backwards. >> dickerson: you said get things done as president usually in the context of democrats have to deal with a lot of them in new jersey. what about on the republican side you've had people -- john boehner saying that there are false prophets within the republican side, asking too much, what do you work with them when you come to washington? >> the principle is the same, john.
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listen, members of congress have a job to do. and what you need to do as president to bring them together, to set the priorities and then to get to know them, conjoel them, threaten them, to hug them, to do all the things that you need to do to get them to do the things that have to be done. that's what a president's job is. this president has been awol on this for seven years he doesn't have relationship with the folks in his on party let alone republicans. what i've done in new jersey, what you have seen over the course of my six years is that i've worked with republicans, but i've also worked with kelp. >> governor of new jersey you deal with police and crime issues. said something interesting he suggested that police across the country may be more reluctant to crackdown on crime because of what so-called -- named after the michael brown murder in ferguson, missouri. do you see that because it's such a politicized issue? >> don't see it because leader of new jersey tells the police officers to go out do their job
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without exception. >> dickerson: they're doing it? >> you've seen it in city like kansas where last three years replace the police department, all the political folks, murder rate down 16% in the last three years in camden. but murders are up in chicago and new york. murder of police officer. problem is, this lawlessness, the president encourages this lawlessness, he encourages it. >> dickerson: how? >> by his own rhetoric. he was not support the police, doesn't back up the police, he justifies black lives matter. >> dickerson: shouldn't be justified at all? >> i don't believe that that movement should be justified when calling for the murder of police officers now. >> dickerson: not calling for the murder of police officers. >> sure they are. been championing in the streets for murder of police officers. >> dickerson: individuals have. >> that's what the movement is creating. the president of the united states justifying that but not only that he hasn't backed up police officers from the minute he's gotten into offers. we can cite instance after instance, and there's
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lawlessness about most sanctuary cities. the president -- that type of lawlessings sets a tone, where basically tying one manned behind the back of police officers then murder rate up 11%, police officers being murdered i'll be president who will back up law ebb forcement, back up police officers because i was law enforcement officer i know how hard the job s. when there are bad cops they need to be prosecuted like bad lawyers and bad doctors and bad engineers. they all need to be prosecuted when they do something wrong. but our police officers put their lives on the line every day, back that up to end the real livens which is happening in the streets of our cities. >> dickerson: governor chris christie. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, john. dickerson: turning to the democratic race interview that will air on "60 minutes," vice president joe biden and his wife jill talk to norah o'donnell about their family's mixed emotions about his decision not to run for president. >> i came home and
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helicopterrer, our son, was upstairs with mom, jill, i walked in. i said, you know, i don't think there's time. i just decided i don't think we can run the kind of campaign we have to run to be able to win. and i remember jill just got up off the couch gave me a big hug, i think you're right. >> were you disappointed or relieved? >> i think i was disappointed. like i said in the beginning, i thought joe would be a great president and i've seen -- in the 40 years we've been together i've seen the strength of his character, his optimism. >> i believed he would have been the best president. >> dickerson: you can see rest of the interview on "60 minutes" at 7:00 p.m. tonight. we'll be back in one minute with new poll results for democrats. without joe biden in the field. stay with us. ent your company's data is secure,
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>> dickerson: we're back with more results from our cbs battleground tracker with cbs news elections director anthony salvanto and nancy cordes joins us from the campaign trail. let's start with you. what is happening with the democrats? >> let's start with iowa where particularly strong week for hillary clinton she's now gone into the lead in iowa, she was down there. iowa wans told us that she won the debate. there's also sense that she's reestablishing her campaign because we asked folks why are you supporting hillary clinton now? they say, electability and they say, experience. both things that her campaign has been trying to establish or reestablish things like debate helped that. move on to new hampshire where bernie sanders still up, she has cut into his lead, it's still a big one. same dynamic, experience and electability working for her. then move on to south carolina,
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where she is up big and here particularly helped by joe biden's decision not to run. we asked everybody who was supporting joe biden, there were quite a few folks, what would you do if you decide not to run what would be your second choice, it's her. her numbers are bumped up more because of that. >> dickerson: 4 points in south carolina. nancy, you, though, are in iowa, big doing there last night at the jefferson jackson dinner tell us about that. >> this is unique event, john, because you've got thousands of the most active democrats in the state all together in one arena comparing these candidates back to back. back in 2007 then senator barack obama propelled him to the front of the pack. now that kind of speech wasn't hillary clinton's style. it isn't today. she kind of played it safe she stuck to her stump speech. they even chanted some of most
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familiar lines along with her. interestingly this is an event where the candidates tend to shore entheir contrast with one another. she really didn't do much of that. she focused primarily on the republican trying to frame herself as person most lickly to take them on next year. >> dickerson: anthony, there were glow sticks, she had katy perry? is attempt to show huge. that yam. is that showing up in the numbers? >> in fact, it is. in iowa in particular we talked last time about being enthusiasm gap between her and sanders, most of her supporters, voting for her, weren't enthusiastic most are. same thing also true in new hampshire. >> dickerson: you mention the sharpening that happens in these speeches. hillary clinton was not sharper but bernie sanders was turning up the attack a little bit, wasn't he? >> he really did. went through this litany much issues, trade deals, defense of
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marriage act, the pipeline, talked how he had -- down from the beginning on each one of them. clear implication that hillary clinton has either waffled or shifted over time on each of them. you heard anthony talk how most people thought that hillary clinton won the debate. she came after bernie sanders much stronger than he probably expected. so there was clear course correction last night. >> dickerson: in iowa, quickly, before we switch over to the republicans. in iowa, how is it going or in terms of the sanders support if hillary doing better is he dropping, following, leveling off? >> it hasn't come as his expense. he really owns that democratic issue space of concern about the economy. about inequality, the reasons people say that they're supporting him are that they think he can tackle inequality and are that they think that he can partly change washington a little. >> dickerson: switch over to talking about the republicans. what do you see in terms, talk about horse race number.
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let's think underneath that. what do you see in terms -- >> we tried to get sense of larger contour of this race. not just who you're voting for but who would you consider and what would be satisfactory nominee even if you're not backing them. it's striking. for a lot of the field, besides ben carson, really and donald trump who is leading, you see very high unsatisfactory numbers for lot of these candidates. in particular in iowa, for jeb bush. so important because before get vote you have to become satisfactory. that just makes much higher hurdle for some of them. >> dickerson: that's right. you have jeb bush. in terms of their ability to grow or they have harder time, only one who is really doing well who has high unsatisfactory number there is trump. does this create room for candidates who -- with whom voters are satisfied even if they're not yet ready to put them at the top of the horse
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race poll? >> trump is polarizing. you are either for him or not for him at all. his supporters would be satisfied. everybody else would not. in terms of room, some of the ratios you see for marco rubio for ted cruz, people aren't necessarily backing them right now. but they say that they would be satisfied if they ended up as the nominee. that could be room. >> dickerson: also ben carson doing very well in the satisfied question. anthony, thanks so much. nancy in des moines, iowa, thank you. we'll be back in a moment. and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar? "super food?" is that a real thing? it's a great school, but is it the right one for her? is this really any better than the one you got last year? if we consolidate suppliers, what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? ...or is a 423 enough? good question. you ask a lot of good questions... i think we should move you into our new fund. sure... ok. but are you asking enough about how your wealth is managed?
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