>> dickerson: we're back with intelligence chairman devin nunes, mr. chairman, i want to talk to you, still talking about this new leadership change in the house and what is coming up ahead. you've been critical at times of the very conservative members of your conference and they have been critical of house leadership saying, that they're not making the most of opportunities to really push the president on conservative principles we have fight over debt limit, raising debt limit. how do you think those are going to play out in this new order? >> i have the president of the united states he hasn't been negotiating with the congress, there's no question this we would like to get some type of long term structured deal, agreement with the senate democrats and republicans hand house and republicans and

signature. that is the best thing that can happen to this country if we're going to increase the debt limit. and i know what your next question, do you think it needs -- has to be raised? i do think it has to be raised. this is country we have to pay our bills. we do not want to default on our debt. but at the same time the american people expect the budget to be balanced. they want long term unfunded liabilities of medicare and medicaid to be fixed. and that is really whether is causing this friction because you have a president who hasn't wanted to do anything, you have i think unrealistic expectations among base of the republican party. it puts us in a very difficult position. >> dickerson: how do you think paul ryan will be managing those up realistic expectations? >> the best thing he was first member of congress to put real solutions on the table. i remember when i first ran for office. we're going to lower taxes. we're going to fix medicare, we're going to fix -- paul ryan guy who put these proposals into

legislative text, into real bills. he's run on those time after time. even as vice president shall nominee he ran on these fixes to medicare and health care. so, with those types of solutions that the american people expect the republicans who have been given this huge majority they expect us to have real concrete solutions to america's problem. >> dickerson: let me ask you about hearings last week, benghazi hearings and secretary of state hillary clinton testified how do you think those played out now that they're done? >> well, i think it's important for all of us to remember that hillary clinton is one of dozens of witnesses who needed to be interviewed. hillary clinton has is one who decided she wanted to have the public digs play, the other people who have come in have done it privately did not want open hear can, clearly she had it in her mind to make this political grandstanding occasions which she did very well. she's very good politician. at the end of the day, it was

the first time that i had learned that there were e-mails that existed or transcripts or recordings about -- that she knew this was al qaeda attack. us on i will step generals we knew not necessarily that it was al qaeda but knew it was a terrorist preplanned attack. ends up that she knew. that the question now that i would be asking, if i'm on the benghazi committee is, we have emergency response team at the state department that was not deployed yet she knew it was terrorist attack. i think that is real problem as to why the people sat at the state department never left. >> dickerson: her testimony then also cia best information to the rest of the administration was, at first, claimed credit then withdrew it that that's what led to this confusion. first she believed those reports then they were withdrawn that's what made her change her position. >> specifically there were different lines of intelligence

that was signaled intelligence, there was word from the ground that people were on the ground, then there was the open source reporting when we take that in totality it's tough to end up with position where -- that this was because of some video said something bad. i don't believe that. i think that's what the benghazi committee has to get to the bottom of. >> there was raid this week in iraq which u.s. servicemen was killed. what is your understanding now about what we're up to in iraq? >> well, we continue to have same policy that's not working. there's this no long term strategy in place to defeat isis. we have service member that was killed, special forces service members were killed. this is horrible situation. we don't want it to happen. but i think the family should know what i've been told is that there was heroic actions that he took. there was the kurds, our longest

and strongest ally in in the region who requested our assistance to go in and stop 70 people from being massacred. and so the secretary of defense has said that he's going to do more of this. i believe we should do more of this. but at the same time we need to have strategy laid out by the president of the united states that tells us exactly how we're going to kill and defeat isis. >> dickerson: chairman devin nunes, thanks so much. we turn now to the top democrat on house intelligence committee who is also member of the select committee on benghazi, congressman adam schiff joins us from los angeles. congressman start with the other party for you really quickly what do you think having paul ryan as speaker will do for congressional relations with democrats? >> very bright guy, paul somebody we can work with. i -- it's a new start, but i think it's going to confront frankly many of the same challenges that speaker boehner did. that is as long as you have a

very sizable number of g.o.p. members that aren't really interested in governing but more interested in tearing down who won't support things like increasing the debt ceiling that are necessary to avoid default on our pretties going to have the same structural problems. i'm not sure how that gets solved but we need a functional majority party since they're the governing party so that we can get to very important issues. >> dickerson: switch now to talking about the benghazi hearing last week, your views on that. chris christie the governor of compared hillary clinton's role at the state department ho his own issues with accountability, he said the difference was that when -- on the washington, george washington bridge scandal he found out something was happening he fired people he was holding people accountable he said that did not happen with hillary clinton. why is it that that didn't happen? >> well, you know what, as

accountability review board looked into this they found that level of responsibility for the security was among security professionals at the department, they frankly castigated those that were responsible that secretary pointed out there was process to determine what the discipline of those individuals would be. i think it's fair fodder for the political campaign to make an issue if they wish about whether these people should have been fired, what the secretary had power to fire them, frankly that's not the job of our investigation, we are supposed to look into what happened in benghazi and i think we need to try to separate that from the political issues. we saw during the hearing this was the main take away that notwithstanding all these 17 months of supposedly looking for new facts about benghazi there was nothing new that emerged from the hearing, that was acknowledged by our chairman. and after 17 months and four and half million if we can't say

anything new, shed any new light be able to tell the families anything of particular significance, very difficult to justify continuation ever this investigation. >> dickerson: he said there was nothing new, as chairman nunes pointed out, there was some new information about what hillary clinton knew on the night of the attack. that story was different but terrorist attack. one that ultimately dribbled out over the next several days. that seems to be important if we expect people to tell us the truth when they are our leaders. >> well, it important but it's not new. we did investigation, devin was a part that have in the intelligence committee that looked at frankly each of these conflicting streams of intelligence as they came in. the early claims of the responsibility that were very quickly followed with human intelligence, signals intelligence, open source reporting, that there was a protest. it wasn't until about eight to ten days after the events where we actually got the tapes from

the compound that we could see quite demonstrably that there had been no protests. the considered judgment, assessment of the intelligence experts for that week until we got those tapes that there had been a protest. that turned out to be wrong, but to criticize secretary clinton relying on best of in tell generals that we had at the time seemed to be wholely inappropriate. she had spoken frankly in contradiction of what intelligence agencies were telling her that might be something to criticize. the fact that as she related, as ambassador rice and others related the information at the time it was the best information we had and the fact that was wrong initially doesn't change the fact that they were reflecting the best that we knew at the time. >> dickerson: congressman adam schiff thanks for being with us, we'll be right back with our panel. phil! oh no... (under his breath)

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period, she didn't provide the kind of information that can create big problems for her down the road. >> dickerson: mark, you wrote about hillary clinton's campaign and her effort to show authenticity or what passes for it in presidential campaign be. what do you make of just the review? >> i think she almost at her best when she is under siege in a weird way. has compelling contrast which republicans provided. she puts herself in good position, all that have most lasting. >> dickerson: hillary clinton lad her back up against the wall show did chairman be ever this committee because of the comments of his own republican party made him so frustrated how did the republicans come out at the end of this day of hearing? >> instead of spending the day at the committee hearing room i was outside of the republican cloak room, a lot of house republicans are frustrated, they

thought the opportunity because of the comments made by kevin mccarthy, i feel like it was a wash. some got moments in the spotlight to go back to their districts, but in terms of making a moment for 2016 that is going to be remembered they slugged it off. >> dickerson: what is larger significance? >> secretary clinton is very eager to take credit for the intervention, played a big role in that. it is radiating africa. it was the spark of the refugee crisis, we're still dealing w. the country is paralyzed in the region. that is what we should be debating. what was the logic of this intervention? what have you learned from the experience? >> dickerson: none was discussed in that hearing, that's right. let's talk about joe bide ebb who decided not to run for president this week. mark, he's gone on his way out of the campaign that he never joined. he made a ly for bipartisanship.

said republicans are not the enemy. will that be picked up as the standards or is that -- >> probably not. i think if you're hillary clinton you hear that, you sort of have to take it given that her answer in the democratic debate was that she saw republicans was her enemy, that was a bad moment for her, might come back to haunt her at some point. i thought it was nice what to get out i thought it was -- it was gracious, right decision, i think that people are -- probably very happy that he's not running. >> dickerson: susan, what did you make of bernie sanders at the jefferson jackson dinner as nancy cordes reported, he's turning up the attack on hillary clinton, it's not a full frontal but different than we've seen. >> it's new series of the campaign. this was much more critical than he's been before and drawing the contest where he's made good decisions that withstood the test of time like trade and gay

marriage she's had to reverse herself. also looking to do big speech on what it means to be a socialist which is something i think he's been reluctant to do. his advisors need to do this in the same way that barack obama did. that john kennedy did the speech on religion. >> the key speech that he did, introduced his life's story, career, wasn't just railing. that speech is going to be remembered turning point where he introduced himself in a fresh way. >> dickerson: because rounds out his -- >> the full bernie sanders. focus on long career. >> i think that when you're looking at his socialism, key

question is this. we've seen democracy embraced systems that bernie sanders really likes. they are built on high middle class taxes. that's fair enough. it seems to work for them okay. are american middle class voters going to embrace that, that is the speech he needs to give. if he wants to own up to that and run an electionf the democrats want to run an election, on the idea that we need much higher middle class taxes, there are very welcome to do so. but that is the piece that has been missing. people keep dodging that issue that if you want way more expensive public services, if you want to be very generous in these ways, someone has to pay for it. can't be the top 1%. >> dickerson: a math problem not labels problem? >> exactly. call it iowa you want. >> i think socialism is potentially very toxic. probably made very careful calculation something to avoid. that's why he probably turns the attention to hillary clinton also night in his speech. in many ways was sort of elan

can himself with barack obama looking back at things like iraq, at gay marriage. sort of drawing the contrast that barack obama was able to do very effectively in 2007 and 2008 in iowa. >> dickerson: when barack obama able to view that in 2007 and 2008, policies in the future won't be handled well. bernie sanders attacked her on lgbt issues but she is in the right place on those issues now. is there a lot of extra territory that he'll say, i'll be this much better than hillary clinton would be? >> the victim of his own success because his challenge has succeeded in moving hillary clinton to the left on some issues that he's been most identified w. when questions come up, this is case of bernie sanders when two questions come up you can trust make right decision off the start. and not be swayed by what is

going to be politically convenient. does that work, i don't think there is huge amount of policy difference between these two candidates at this point. >> dickerson: we'll switch over. let's take break real quick so we don't chop that up too much. we'll be right back.

>> dickerson: we're back with more from our political panel. reihan in the house republicans looks like paul ryan will be the new speaker against his wishes. how much will things change? >> the key questions is. do republicans trust him. are they willing to follow him. they have ultimately believe he wants to take them in the right

direction and right now he seems to have won lot of goodwill. i think that is encouraging sign. but to some degree he wants to prevent this from extending into chaos. >> dickerson: how did this come about? paul ryan didn't want the job, there were lot of people on the ultra right wing of this party that we're saying we don't like paul ryan for these reasons. but now he's got it, it looks pretty wrapped up. >> being the budget man, being leader within the house of representatives, friendly with the right and leadership, that when mccarthy fell and hard right didn't have candidate, didn't have a strategy ryan was standing there, the lone person who could ascend. he moves into this job, reluctantly. also trying to maneuver to keep the house funging. just hired david long time capitol hill, important hire, he's insider but used to be jack

kemp's chief of staff. we're watching ryan thread the needle. >> dickerson: paul ryan said he wanted to spend time with his family, but isn't fundraising one of the last levers a speaker has with member they can say, i want you to be with me on this vote i'll visit your hometown and do two fundraisers. >> i think that's right. it's one of the most important things that the speaker does. and one of the chips he can play with members and not something you can delegate. the number two in command, the number three not the same having that person come into your district as poe tossed to the speaker who is third in line to the presidency has a certain distinctive stature. >> dickerson: take the kids on the fundraiser, nothing more exciting. mark, i'll switch to the presidential race here talk to you about donald trump and ben carson. dutch said he's a counter puncher, but ben carson drives around the block to keep from

hitting donald trump now donald trump is on variety of things. >> donald trump would say that he has been hit by ben carson given that ben carson caught him in the polls in iowa maybe he considers that a punch some of kind. i don't think donald trump knows exactly how he wants to deal with ben carson. the seventh day adventist remark was kind of curious, i just don't know about them. that might have been proxy saying, what's the deal with this die. which i think is a question that lot of people who have been watching him in debate have wondered. he's very unknown candidate. i think probably trying to -- >> it was directly aimed at evangelical voters in iowa. they make up 57%. by two to one they favor carson over trump at this point. in the poll that you put out today. by raise can questions about 7th day advene, encouraging evangelicals to take a look at this religion. is a way for him what might be

most important voting block in the republican caucus. >> look at the relationship, take a step back, it's fascinating, late october, these two outsiders, amateur politicians are dominating the republican race. in the "washington post," take look at this relationship just few weeks ago trim was talking about putting carson on the ticket. as he caught up. >> dickerson: what do you make of, we've seen donald trump do well but consistent polls, another one shows high number of people who would be unsatisfied with him. that number for ben carson is quite low. does ben carson have lots of room to grow in the republican field here or does he have his own challenges? >> i am a little skeptical because i believe that he is occupying that robertson lane of being evangelical candidate. going to be difficult to grow. what i do think interesting, both in the intrarepublican side and presidential race, the real cleavage between those who are

taking anti-immigration stance which resonates with large numbers of party members those who are taking the proem breaks stances. if you look at those which one will try to come to a synthesis. try to move away from that "wall street journal" editorial page. more in the direction of the populous position on immigration that resonates with the base. candidate who is going to do that is going to rise in the polls. >> dickerson: speaking of rising or not, immigration candidate at one time was jeb bush, also one time marco rubio. jeb bush in particular has had pretty bad week, cut his staff, saw that comment earlier from him, sense the irritation. where do you think bush campaign is? >> looks peevish i thought in the clip that you showed he's in the three important states you polled he's in single digits in all of them. the most important number might be the 57% of iowa republicans say dissatisfied with him. contrast that with marco rubio

who is second most successful after ben carson only 27% of iowa republicans said he'd be unacceptable talking about room to grow. this is fueling i think the sense that marco rubio is the candidate to watch, if there's going to be an alternative who is actually held office before. >> dickerson: so you have the two former florida friends may not become very friendly thanks all of you very much. stay with us. ,,,,,,

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