>> dickerson: we're back with steny hoyer assistant democratic whip. congressman hoyer, when you listen to paul ryan you mention challenges he's got in hess own party. what do you see in terms of any kind of chance for bipartisanship. >> he said the solutions needed to be collaborative. if he means that, we are certainly willing to work with him to try to solve the problems when you get people back to work, need to pass highway program. frankly the xm bill which was bottled up in committee. he talks about relying on committees, jeb bottled up a bill that came to the floor and out of majority of republicans all but one democrat. he's going to have to take some risks and he's going to confront the same challenge that john boehner confronted when he said

pragmatically in order to keep the government running in order to keep the economy growing have to take some actions. we'll see if he can get the support that john boehner found so difficult. >> dickerson: he talked about bold vision. and when he offered bold vision in his budget years it was often a big target for democrats. isn't that a recipe if he's going to offer bold vision for more fighting over ideology? >> if he's going to offer as he says movement conservative bold visions, that's correct. we're not for changing social security as it exists today. we're for strengthening it. not for making medicare a voucher program. so, some of those bold vision, is that he talks about are things that are worthy of a good debate we think win that debate with the american public. on the other hand to the extent to sit down work collaboratively to solve problems, one of those is comprehensive immigration reform he's already taken that off the table because they don't

trust the president. i'm not sure what that has to do with the house of representatives passing substantive constructive legislation that chamber of commerce, labor supports, broad spectrum. >> dickerson: you have a leader, is promises about make home on the weekends and what did you think of that? >> i was laughing. i wish him good luck. he does have small children. i went through that stage myself, i don't have small children now but i do have grandchildren and great grandchildren. and it's wonderful to be able to spend some time with them. but the fact of the matter is, he's the leader of his party, he's the leader ever the congress. he has great responsibilities, and frankly while he's got great intellect going to take time and effort and application to talking to the members and the country. he'll have challenge accomplishing that objective. >> dickerson: switch to presidential politics for a moment. what did you think of marco

rubio? >> i think rubio is good, he speaks well. he comes across rational. rubio's problem is he does not appeal to the disaffected, the anxious and angry in the republican party, that's why trump and carson and cruz and some others are doing so well. and why bush is doing so poorly. unless he can appeal to those, frankly he's changed his position on comprehensive immigration reform because right wing in the party didn't like it. we'll see what issues he takes as presidential candidate and whether those resonate with the base in his party which is angry conservative base. >> dickerson: let me ask you about democratic side my last question, which is, when democratic voters are looking at the candidates what is the one big question they should have in their minds when they're evaluating the candidates? >> who can best lead the country. who has the experience, who has the commitment, who has the

broader reach to lead this country. to bring our citizens together. >> dickerson: what do you mean by broader reach? in. >> terms of reaching to all factions of the party and all factions of our country, bringing them together and lead them. that is what i think marco rubio said it best, it's not accountant's job it's a job for a leader who can expression a vision then create a consensus to achieve that vision. as you know i think hillary clinton is the person to do that. but i also think bernie sanders and martin o'malley, very substantive alternatives who are discussing real issues. i think that's the difference between the democratic field and republican field. >> dickerson: all right, thanks so much. >> thank you. dickerson: we'll be right back with our panel. don't go away.

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can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? >> dickerson: peggy noonan with the "wall street journal" and cbs news contributor. jamelle is the chief political correspondent, jeffrey goldberg writes for the atlantic and jonathan martin for the "new york times." welcome to all of you. jonathan, let's start with you. marco rubio trying to seize his moment. >> he sure is. he has had promise for so long ever political insider, always the assumption he would be real

contender in the end but his -- now is the moment that that might actually change let's see where his numbers are this week in the polling obviously his money is about to change he got big endorsement from bob singer, a new yorker hedge funder will bring some money with him along the way. rubio how has an opportunity and question is, can he seize it. what is so fascinating about this race, john, as you know, assumptions have been incorrect along the way. ben carson still in denial, donald trump doesn't seem to be going away. why all this sort of insider class that rub having his moment. actual voters still seem to be very fond of the outsiders. >> dickerson: that's right. paul singer, a big deal? >> yeah, it's a big deal. the big fish who hasn't been caught yet. although he's leaning rubio. >> dickerson: you can give a lot

of money. >> you can give huge sums of money. allison is army of one, paul singer is connected into republican establishment, hedge fund wall street establishment his signaling, this is a signifier, moment where everybody is saying, okay, paul singer thinks it's a good investment there for it becomes a reality. >> dickerson: exactly. peggy, what did you make of the sort of game of thrones moment during the debate when jeb bush went after marco rubio who he has helped in his 17-year career, then rib yes came back at him questioning his motives right back at him. everything is talking about it. >> it's the reason we are talking about marco rubio this morning. i'm sure many people are. jeb bush and marco rubio did have a long relationship. they passed each other, dealt with each other in a great deal when they were florida officials but always understood jeb bush was the older brother and marco was the younger brother. they had their exchange in the

debate the other night, marco did not walk out as junior. jeb went at him and marco swatted him away. it was -- i have a feeling we'll remember as one of those big moments of the primary. >> dickerson: now, the comparisons to barack obama are happening i mentioned to senator rubio that the jeb bush campaign called him the republican obama. do you think it matters tha he doesn't have any experience or does debate moment like that show leadership and so lack in your career doesn't matter? >> i don't think it matter if you look at america's presidents you'll be hard pressed to draw any linear connection between the amount of experience they had and how successful they were. i think it does pose problem for marco rubio that in 2008 republicans did make some. >> rose: pointed argument about barack obama had no experience, continued. rubio lot of ways adopting in 2008 to rebut the claims that he

didn't have enough experience. eventually this is going to come to a head. eventually conservatives will say, wait a sec, just seven years ago we said the exact opposite that rubio is saying, are we going to be consistent about this. it's an interesting question about this. jeb bush has actual executive experience, marco rubio doesn't. but watching that exchange, which one would you rather see arguing with putin. marco rubio showed that he can bring an argument strongly, jeb bush doesn't seem -- doesn't have what peggy called aggression necessary to enter this kind of combat. >> he's so flexible, if it works for the republicans they will use it. it's all about circumstances. if your opponent doesn't have any experience, that's your argument. if your team lacks experience. so, i think it's much more specific. the fact is jeb bush has this

thing, once people learn about his experience as governor of this big state, all the conservative reforms that he did, he's not just a bush name, that he has his own record, then voters will come around. here we are, it's november 1st there's no indication whatsoever that in this primary voters have much interest in experience, in record, ten years ago in florida. that is change with more voters paying closer attention when votes take place in iowa and new hampshire. right now, they are much more interested in issues like strength and affect and appearances than records. >> dickerson: one rule that stays, campaign they want a winner. peggy, what is your view on jeb bush? what is the state of the exclamation point? >> one. mysteries. >> is it still there? >> i guess one of the mysteries of this primary year is why jeb

bush didn't come out. everything as his signal statement, i have been a creative and thinking outside the box and original governor and conservative all those things plus conservative major purple state. it is a surprise to me that he didn't make everybody care about his experience and his accomplishments. he really didn't. he let it go. where is he now? he's got the wobbleys, now and then candidates get wobbley he says that he's going to -- john mccain come back big, keep your eye on me, i grind it out. i'm a tough figure. we'll see where it goes. the thing i fear for him is that his super pac is going to take its money and do negative ing on other candidates. it worked in '12, 2012 for newt gingrich against mitt romney but

helped kill romney. i think the republican party won't forgive if it's done this time. >> dickerson: it's interesting that you mentioned that, i was talking to marco rubio he said i'm not going to attack anybody because in 2012 everybody attacked the nominee that tore him down that wasn't about what marco rubio was going to do, what he didn't want done to him as he starts looking like he might be rising. >> warning. dickerson: it was definitely a warning. what about the rest of the field. what do you make of the cruz and trump and the rest of the republican field. >> tend to think that the rest of the field is people are going to fall away, even trump and carson. you can already see trump get tired of it as his numbers go down, he gets upset and angry. i think carson likewise, there's no indication that carson candidate that will endure past iowa. my hunch, i was saying earlier, that marco rubio is adopting a lot of obama's arguments about

candidacy and experience. not running obama's 2008 campaign, almost like john mccain's campaign grind it out. ted cruz is running obama-style campaign, focusing on merging grass roots money with big donor money, putting that money across the board trying to develop a strategy that will gain him the most delegates coming out of super tuesday. i would not be surprised to see super tuesday pass next year and cruz is among the ones left stapping as a viable, potential winner. >> dickerson: we talk about john mccain in 2008 his campaign was almost dead, he was carrying his own bag then 'sended back had this phoenix-like rise which is good for senator from arizona to have a phoenix-like rise. john, do you buy this idea that in republican race that are two lanes, ted cruz are cruz at the head of cruz trump.

car rubio at the head of that lane? >> the story in the papers tomorrow that cruz-rubio relationship by jay on horowitz that is good. i can see that coming here at some point, that cruz and rubio merge after super tuesday. i think right now that might even be the conventional wisdom. people have been wrong so many times. obviously carson raised a lot of money, trump has his own money, he hasn't spent much of it yet. i'm not sure that they're going to get out. i was with carson in colorado after the debate, then again in memphis on friday. you talk to folks, the most powerful stuff is, he's not a politician. he's an outsider. very strong form, don't discount that. >> people have been sitting around these tables for six months, any moment now, any moment now. i don't buy it any more. this can go well into next year.

>> dickerson: ask you one question about foreign policy on republican side talking to marco rubio about syria, how do you see that conversation emerging in the republican side and especially with the president putting 50 special operations. >> the 50 troops is incremental, it's intensification of existing strategy. this all depends on events, if the president can keep this problem in a box, then it's why we stay where we are. if -- what is the big variable here? isis or someone trained in isis-controlled territory does something outside that have territory an act of terrorist, god forbid. then we're in a new world. that becomes obviously among other thing a republican talking point, big question in the republican race. right now i think that donald trump has expressed it best, expressed to you best couple of weeks ago, the feeling that part

of many americans when he said that what are we going to do, have world war iii over syria. that's where it is right now it's staying in that spot. president obama understands that as well. but again if thing change f. isis takes another huge city in iraq or syria then we're also in another world. >> dickerson: let me switch to the question of paul ryan, peggy. you saw the interview, he's out now as the face of the republican party, one of them until there's nominee. what do you make of him as the face of the republican party? >> well, i'll tell you, one of the things to be said about him i think is that it's nice to see quality rise. everybody, republicans and democrats in this town agrees, this is a serious man who knows. an earnest politics not a sleaze ball or slob, that's good news.

another thing that is unseen part of his talent the moment i think is that he didn't want the job, he had to be begged. when you finally give in over matter of weeks and say, okay, i'll take your job. you've left people really invested in you, they don't want this not to work right now. they want it to work which suggests he'll be able to have a little bit of a hand on some of his problematic characters in way that boehner wasn't able to. at least for awhile. >> dickerson: short period of time. jamelle, give me your take where the democratic race stands now. hillary clinton had a good week, where do things stand? >> i think the broad picture still that hillary clinton is likely nominee. i think what might complicate that bernie sanders is running very impressive operation in iowa, has lead in new hampshire, running great operation in new hampshire as well. i'm not sure that if he wins of new hampshire that hillary clinton is knocked out.

but i do think that hillary clinton cannot, even though she's ahead by 20-25 points in national polling i do in the think that either race she can take for granted. i do not think count on maybe using south carolina and nevada as firewalls against sanders' vicars to rees in iowa and new hampshire. >> dickerson: we'll have to leave it there. thanks all of you. i want to thank all of you for joining us, peggy is going to stay with us we'll talk about her new book when we come back.

>> dickerson: "time of our lives" collection of her speeches and columns. when you went back into the warehouse where some of this was looked through, is there a through line through all of this work that you see? >> i got to tell you this is -- i told your producer, this is sort of 30 years in the making. the putting together of the manuscript, a through line, i was surprised by how the preoccupations of 30 years ago and 20 years ago are indeed the preoccupations of today. not only mine but america's. the greatness game, presidential politics, importance of history,

the people who move us. it all comes out to america, i guess. >> dickerson: one of the people that moves the country was ronald reagan whom you worked for. who you worked on speeches with. one interesting thing you said that those who worked for reagan knew him even when he wasn't in the room. when i talked to other staffers for other presidents they said that is the presidential difference. is that good presidents you can intuit what they want even if they haven't talked to you. >> that's so smart. dickerson: tell us about that with reagan. >> a speech writer for jimmy carter, i'm jealous of you. he said, why? you knew what reagan thought, you knew why he thought it. you knew how he put it. you knew where he'd come at it. i got to say working for jimmy carter we never knew what he was going to say or where he was going to come out. if your philosophy is clear as president, your history is

clear, and how you speak is clear your speech writers are going to be fine. they know you, they studied you, they're with you. >> dickerson: that goes for other parts as well. >> yes, of course. dickerson: tell us about the speech you worked on with ronald reagan after the challenger disaster, the notion of kind of that symbiotic relationship. >> that's so interesting. i begin the book with a lecture i gave to some college students who were studying history, you're going into politics, let me tell you about a moment in politics. my goodness, it was the day the challenger blew up, we were not able to speak to the president but we absolutely knew what he would think. somebody from the nfc ran the notes of what he wanted to say essentially. they ran that straight into us, that was such a painful day. and it was 0 years ago, my goodness, time goes by.

painful day but deeply meaningful one. >> dickerson: the flight christa mccaullif was one. the poem where you had sense tar dar the line from the speech. he had read that poem you never talked about it. >> a little gamble. i thought of this poem i had learned in 7th grade the public schools in long island. this is the perfect end can to this speech but we will he never hear fit this is not a line from a poem that mataries lot to ronald reagan. and i watched it like everybody else. and indeed he called me the next day said, how did you know i knew that poem? i didn't, i took a chance. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the writing process. has it changed overall this time or do you still sit down with a keyboard the same way with a typewriter. >> for me, personally, i sit down with a computer the way i did with the typewriter. it's -- >> dickerson: is it easier now?

>> i'm shocked to tell you it doesn't. the words have never flown for me. it always seemed like work but very satisfying and delightful work. but still work. but you can't complain. you're trying to describe to people what you see and what is true. then you think you got it right you think, all right. if you get it wrong you hide under your desk. >> dickerson: you listened to movie sound tracks while you're writing. >> to movie music. dickerson: because it's just -- >> because other music would take me away from my work but movie music is meant to help the story along. and what you're writing when you're writing column or essay you're writing a story. you're writing, this happened, this happened. i think that. >> dickerson: peggy, we look forward to more stories from you and having you at this table. >> thank you so much. dickerson: we'll be right back. [whirring of drones]

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