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>> dickerson: today on "face the nation" presidential candidates are tough on terror. while the president will address the nation. latest on what motivated syed farook and tashfeen malik to go on shooting rampage. plus, we caught up with republican front runner donald trump and events in north carolina on friday. with less than 60 days to go before first votes are cast in iowa, can anyone stop him from getting the nomination? wants to get far more aggressive in tracking terror suspects. also hear from two other presidential candidates. new jersey governor chris christie and vermont senator bernie sanders and we'll have plenty of analysis on all the news. all ahead on "face the nation."
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captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to face the make i'm john dickerson. president obama will address the nation tonight at 8:00 p.m. on the san bernardino attacks. cbs news homeland security correspondent jeff is at the fbi with the latest on the investigation. >> john, there are hundreds of investigators around the world running down leads, fbi director james comey met with the president on saturday to brief him on this case. one lead took invest gays for to riverside, california, home where friend of one of the suspects lives. a man who investigators believe may have provided two of the assault rice used in the attack. >> when i found out it was fbi, that's when i thought this is serious. >> investigators are tracking syed farook and tashfeen malik's family, friends and associates overseas and in the u.s. to determine if the couple's shooting massacre was directed by isis.
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so far the fbi says there are indications of radicalization and potential inspiration. sources say the attack on the regional center appears to have been blend. a workplace grudge that appeared to trigger the attack, coupled with malik's facebook post of allegiance before the attack to the isis leaders. federal officials say shooting now moved the global terrorist threat in the u.s. to a new phase. government official says we are going to see more attacks we can't stop. the fbi has about 900 cases across the country focusing on home grown isis sympathizers, these two suspects were not on their radar. john? >> dickerson: thanks. the san bernardino terror attack has already had a big impact on campaign 2016. democrats are pushing for stronger gun regulations.
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republicans are blaming president the saying they would be tougher on terrorism. no one more so than donald trump. who we met up with in raleigh on friday. there are links between isis and terror attacks in san bernardino but no red flags. so, how do you stop this from happening again? >> i think there are red he flags. lot of people knew what was going on in that house or apartment and people were not wanting to call because they thought it would be inappropriate to call. >> dickerson: why? >> saying that it was -- that they would have been profiling. and a person said, we should have knew what was going on but don't want to profile. >> dickerson: should there be profiling? >> i think there can be profiling. >> dickerson: how would that work? >> something wrong with that group they saw what was happening, they didn't want to call the police because they didn't want to be profiling, i think that's pretty bad. people are dead. lot of people are dead right now. everybody wants to be politically correct and that's part of the problem that we have with our country. >> dickerson: have people been too politically correct with
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muslims in america? >> i think so. with maybe other things, too. but i think certainly so. as you know i came out with vigilance, whether it's mosques or whatever it has to be, but lot of bad things are happening. >> dickerson: whatever it has to be does that include, i know you -- where are you on the question of tracking citizens of america? >> look. we are having a problem with radicals in muslim group let's not kid ourselves. you can say it or don't have to say it. maybe you won't even want to, i've been saying it loud and strong. so, if you have people coming out of mosques with hatred and with death in their eyes and on their minds, we're going to have to do something, john, we can't just say we're not going to look at it. i made that statement a number of weeks ago. it took a lot of whatever, lot of people were not exactly thrilled with it. now everybody seems to agree with me.
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>> dickerson: this idea of tracking muslims in america, where are you on that? >> you have people that have to be tracked. if they're muslim, they're muslims. people have to be tracked. i use the word vigilance we have show vigilance if we don't we're foolish people. we're being led by people that don't know what is happening when you have president obama talking about global warming as our biggest problem we have a president that is just not with it at all. >> dickerson: there are three million muslims in america. what should they feel about their police in american life now? >> look, we are having a tremendous problem with radical islamic terrorism. you can say it or you don't have to say it. we have a president that won't issue the term. he won't talk about it. we're having this tremendous radical islamic terrorism. lot of people don't want to even say it. not a lot of people. one person that i know of called president obama. until he admits this is a problem we're never going to
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solve the problem. he's only going to be there fortunately a little more than a year because the problem will get involved when he gets the hell out. >> dickerson: you mentioned political correctness about muslims. what the criticism of you is that you are playing on fears that people have. >> i'm -- common sense. i'm not playing on fears. i don't want to play on fears. i understand the whole world. i understand. i have muslim friends who are great people. by the way, they tell me there's a big problem. i'm not playing on fears i'm playing on common sense. we have a problem. the world trade center came down. by the way, speaking of coming down, they put their families on airplanes couple of days before, send them back to saudi arabia for the most part. those wives knew exactly what was going to happen. those wives went home to watch their husbands knock down the world trade center, the pentagon, wherever the third plane was going, except we had some very, very brave passengers, wherever that third
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plane was going. those wives knew exactly what was happening. >> dickerson: you mention families go after families, what does that mean? >> well at least i would certainly go after the wives who absolutely knew what was happening and i guess your definition of what i do, i'm going to leave that to your imagination. but i will tell you i would be very tough on families because the families know what is happening. even in this last instance, i see everybody knew, so many people knew they thought that this man and this woman, whether it was radicalized or how he became. they thought something was going on. why don't these people report it to the police? why wouldn't they report it to the police? they said it was profiling. they didn't want to profile. can you believe this? they thought something very bad was going to happen. >> dickerson: sister said she didn't know what was going on, she was crest fallen for the vic testimonies here. >> i probably don't believe the voice tim. >> dickerson: you'd go after her? >> a lot of people.
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find out whether or not they knew. i'd be able to find out. i don't believe the sister. >> dickerson: do you worry about creating more terrorists? >> stop terrorists. only way to stop them in my opinion is that way. you know they say they don't mind dying, i think they do mind dying. but i can tell you this, they want hire families left alone. they have to stop terrorism. >> dickerson: you don't think there's worry, attention if you go too far that you end up creating morita are terrorists. >> what's too far. they're killing people. what we just saw in california or in paris. they're killing innocent people. people without guns. you look at paris, no guns. nothing. you look at california, no guns. i can tell you one thing if i'm in there i had a gun, we're going to knock them out. one way or the other. couple of guns are in that room, you talk about second amendment. which i'm a big believer in the second amendment. in paris they had no guns. in california they had no guns. only the bad guys had the guns.
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they were like sitting ducks everyone of them. >> dickerson: should the good guys get guns? people carry? >> if they want to they should be able. to because it's going to be lot safer. look what's going on. going into these gun free areas, how about the school few months ago. gun free school, gun free area you look what happened. it was a disgrace. if people had guns, how about the soldiers that were killed. six soldiers killed, champion marksmen, on military base, not allowed to carry their guns. a whack job walks in kills them. not right. so, i am a believer in the second amendment and bottom line is the bad guys are always going to have the guns. you better do something about it. paris is one of the toughest cities in the world for guns, right? can't get 'em. you had carnage. >> dickerson: why do you think people join isis in the united states? >> i think for one reason they're using the internet a lot
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better than we do. they are brainwashing these kids. word is brainwashing. they are brainwashing young impressionable people. largely young. doing it with older people also. >> dickerson: how do you fight that? >> you fight it with intelligence. beating them at their own game. you fight it by not saying mastermind like you did, like other people did. i see the word mastermind, the mastermind. i call them the guy with the dirty hat. the guy with the dirty filthy hat. these kids are watching the mastermind. i want to be a mastermind. the press is really hurting it. i will say that i was very strong about it last week and two weeks ago. with the paris knock out. and i think the press is making it -- glamourizing these people. these people are animals. these people are not masterminds. they're not even smart people i bet very low iq. they're not smart people.
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and the press is making them into something -- making them into robin hood and young people and other people are following. we have to stop their internet work they're doing -- we came up with the internet but they're using it better than we do. >> dickerson: in the moment on no fly list you can buy a firearm does that need to be fixed? >> i would take a very look at it. if you can't fly, if you have some -- i'd look at that very hard. >> dickerson: also look into the shooters in this case amass great amount of ammunition, they had multiple weapons, should that in this new world brick people under suspicion if they are developing that kind of -- >> people can look at it. when people next door and other people say there's something strange, that's not people going hunting for deer. because they had bombs, all
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sorts of pipe bombs a lot of things, certainly you can take look what's going on. again, the word vigilance. we have to be looking at a lot of different things. we can't do anything to hurt the second amendment. people need their weapons to protect themselves. you see that now more than ever before. >> dickerson: we'll have more of our interview with donald trump in the second half hour. also on "face the nation" website. we turn to new jersey governor chris christie who joins us from outside an ethanol plant in iowa. everyone is looking for a way to stop these kinds of attacks again, in this case you had a woman who dropped off her six month old child before going on this rampage how would you create system that could catch that kind of dedicated killer? >> well, john, it's very hard. this is what i say in the aftermath, by the way, the first night of the coverage i watched it for about hour and half i turned to my wife said this is a terrorist attack. i knew that, because the
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experience i've had as u.s. attorney for seven years investigating terrorists bringing those cases. i don't know why the president hesitates for so long to call it exactly what it is. but what i'll tell you if a developmentally disabled center in san bernardino, california, is a target, then every place in america is a target. that's why it was so wrong for congress and the president to pull back on our surveillance capability with the nsa, so wrong to demoralize our intelligence community through the report they issued at the end of this last year. the fact is, that we need to strengthen our intelligence, strengthening our law enforcement community and just work as hard as we can to intercept this knowing that the society we're not going to ab able to stop every attack. >> dickerson: the surveillance capability, were grandfathered in until the end of november they were in place here, not any evidence that they missed something through. that. >> well, i don't know in san bernardino but certainly vis-a-vis paris. are pulling back, investing our
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resources on intelligence that the president has done created a big problem. we're going to see that paris was intelligence failure. asking what best way to do it. i've been doing this for seven years before i was governor. only way to truly protect the homeland, john, increase intelligence and increase law enforcement activity. that doesn't mean they're guarantees. but if you give these people the tools, they will act constitutional ly and prevent many more attacks that will get through. >> dickerson: drum suggests even stop worrying about profiling muslims in investigation and instead stop being so politically correct, your reaction? >> well, all i say that this is the difference between having the experience and understanding how you do this not having any experience. the fact is we don't need to be profiling. in order to be able to get the job done here, increase surveillance, creating relationships with mosques and muslim american community across the country we did that after 9/11 and prevented attacks in new jersey and all across the country, which you need a
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president who has had the experience and know how to do this. not someone just going to talk off the top of their head. >> dickerson: the attacks on 9/11 george w. bush and other republicans were quick to draw a real distinction between attackers and the muslim community and islamic faith. that doesn't happen so much any more. on the campaign trail, why is that? >> well, i don't know. but i certainly have said it over and over again, this is the problem with the president and with secretary clinton who provided leadership by euphemism. they won't say radical islamic jihaddist. when you say radical islamic jihaddist they understand, the rest of the muslim community understands folks who are peaceful, who attend mosques in peaceful way, work in our country, raise their families, pay their taxes. they know they're natural of not radical islamic jihaddists that's why we need to use the words, it differentiates them from the law abiding muslims who don't want to see this conduct going on. >> dickerson: in saturday's "new york times" on the front page they have editorial, in which
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the editorial writers say, it is a moral outrage that people can legally purchase weapons, quote, that kill with brutal speed and efficiency. what is your reaction to that? >> it's typical from the "new york times." fact is that what we need to be focused on here are two issues. thinking criminals who commit crimes with handguns and putting them in jail. and we have to work around mental health system in this country for doctors and caregivers to involuntarily commit folks who have mental health issues don't want to take their medication and help themselves. and this kind of sensationalism, remember the president and secretary before they even knew what was going on here ran out on the first moment after this attack said this was gun control issue. i don't know what gun control laws are going to stop terrorists from attacking us. this is the typical liberal approach the things. president said it, no crisis -- can no crisis worth wasting.
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they want to try to turn this awful tragedy into excuse that greater condition goal what we need to greater intelligence which the president has taken away from this country. with the complicity of senators cruz and paul. and we need to make sure we back our law enforcement to take these criminals off the street. >> dickerson: on the question of the speed and efficiency of certain guns, you were once an opponent of to these kind of weapons called assault rifles. you have changed your view on that. why? >> well, first of all that was years ago, john. yeah, i've grown up a bit and changed my view been educated on it and my views change once i became prosecutor. when i became a prosecutor saw watt the real problem that we need to give the tools to law enforcement to go on the streets take criminals off the streets. that is the real important thing that we need to do. need to empower our law enforcement. this administration hasn't done it the fbi director said, that
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there's a chill webbed blowing, great deal because they don't have the political support of this administration. when i'm president they will have that support. >> dickerson: governor chris christie thanks for being with us. >> john, thanks for having me today. have a great weekend. >> dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with democratic presidential candidate, bernie sanders. this is the one place we're not afraid to fail. some of these experiments may not work. but a few might shape the future. like turning algae into biofuel... ...new technology for capturing co2 emissions... ...and cars twice as efficient as the average car today. ideas exxonmobil scientists are working on to make energy go further... ...no matter how many tries it takes.
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muslim nation, is that are fighting for the soul of islam who have got to lead the effort in questioning isis. the united states, the u.k., france, russia, iran, other countries around the world have got to be supportive. but the troops on the ground have got to be muslim nations. i believe very strongly that we need to put that coalition together, we need to put it together as soon as possible. but i do believe we have got to learn the lessons from iraq. i hear a lot of tough talk coming from my republican components. they are tough guys. i heard that back in 2002 from george w. bush. he was wrong. invasion of iraq was one of the most foreign policy blunders in the history of this country and precipitated exactly where we are today. yes, we've got to be tough but we have got to be smart. that means international coalition with muslim troops on the ground supported by western democracies with air power and
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other military efforts. but the troops on the ground to crush isis have got to be led by the muslim nations. >> dickerson: that's foreign policy piece. what was your message be about america and the threat in homeland security sphere of this conversation? >> obviously we have got to do everything that we can to protect the american people, that's a no brainer. that means much tougher screening policies than we have right now. i think secretary of homeland security johnson is right we should have more agents placed in other countries around the world. and not just muslim countries that we have to worry about. there are other countries as well that people can slip into this country. second of all i think we need to do much, much better work not only in our intelligence efforts but in coordinating international intelligence. i think clearly paris was an intelligence failure. we need to be tapping the
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intelligence information that is being asker is saned from countries all over the world. >> dickerson: democrats will notice that you didn't list gun control in your responses. lot of democrats including the president will address it tonight think gun control is an answer to this. >> i was just at press conference the other day talking about the need for increased gun control. i don't think anybody believes it's a magic formula. clearly, though, there is an obvious common sense consensus, john, in this country. that guns should not be falling into the hands of people who should not be having them. and obviously that goes without saying, i don't think it's very hard to understand, but terrorists, potential terrorists should not have guns. people who are being barred from flying on airplanes should not have guns. i believe we must improve and expand instant background checks. i believe we have got to do away with this gun show loophole,
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about 40% of these guns are sold outside of the purview of the in than background check process. i think we need, i agree with the "new york times," i think does not make sense to me that we have guns designed for military purposes that can kill enormous numbers of people in very short period of time being sold and distributed in the united states. i support a ban on assault weapons. we need do do away with the strong man provision so people can legally provide guns. and i think we need a revolution in mental health. that revolution is about making sure that the many thousands of people who are walking the streets of america today, suicidal or homicidal get the help they need and they get it now not too months from now. >> dickerson: we need to take a break right now but we'll ask you to stay with us we'll be back with senator sanders in a moment.
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