>> dickerson: welcome back the face the nation. we continue with our panel with kim strassel of the "wall street journal." jamelle bouie and "usa today's" susan page, peter baker of the "new york times." peter baker i want to start with you what was your reaction to that focus group of trump supporters? >> it really instructive. very good, able to talk, very raw, hon e, open way they were couching their statements. it was inconsistent at times. yeah, we don't think he means what he says but we love it. kind of crazy but he'll take care of it. they didn't seem him being 100% what he presents himself to be that's okay with them because he reflects obviously broader frustration that they're feeling with the system with media as well as republican party. frank luntz asking with him to

independent bid has to be shaking the foundation right now of the rnc and other candidates. it tells us a different type of candidate. >> dickerson: that line about, he doesn't really mean all of this it will be different when he's in office what liberals used to say about john mccain. he doesn't mean all of that. jamelle, let me ask you one of the criticism of the media of other republican has been they don't press trump on his facts. if only people knew that he wasn't telling the truth in some is in stances he wouldn't have all this support. that doesn't seem to be true having watched that focus group. >> not true at all having watched the focus group. whether it's ever been true ever. they are immune to truth in fact and so on. very few people look at collecting information then make decision. they made the decision based on all sorts of beliefs then look for the information to justify it. one real quick thing about the

panel or the focus group, is that my inner social scientist saw, a living representation of something that many sociologists have been noting over the course of the obama administration is disstrength rise in racial resentment and anti-black attitude in the wake of 2010 and 2012 among all groups, all groups of white democrats, white republicans, especially white republicans, increase in racial resent channel sort of measure of social scientists use to determine a person's attitudes about african americans, particularly other groups. trump's supporters show all the hallmarks of people with high levels of racial resentment. they are -- seem good number believe that president obama is unamerican or maybe even a muslim connected terrorist, good number refer to him as arrogant and elitists for myself leads

very much like upity as old insult towards african americans who have achieved some sort of stature and mainstream society. all these things, i see in that focus group and connect back to real hard battle we have about the change in racial attitudes. >> we had frank lunz say if there hadn't a president barack obama there wouldn't be candidate donald trump. you did hear people who are maybe uncomfortable with african american president but are not happy with the rise of important new part of the american electorate even climate change treaty we know from polling that trump supporters not believe in climate change here is president and a time that has -- and nation that has moved in direction that made many trump voters generally uncomfortable fueled his support. >> dickerson: governor kasich said, this is small group, it's not the republican party more broadly what is your sense? >> they reflect a general mood of the country. i'm not sure i entirely agree

point about trump and facts. he is a brilliant marketer he's so good as what he does. it was no accident he came out with that muslim comment next day after a lackluster speech by a president who looked disengaged and had no new policies for the nation. he comes out and says this. and he loves it when people then say, he's a racist. because it diverts attention away from the policy. the policy just -- it's a bad policy. there's no real way to implement it. there's no proof that it would be effective in stopping another san bernadino. potential ly very bad idea f. we want to win gin the terrorists in the middle east have to make coalition with moderate muslim forces, this does not help us. the pity is that republican candidates aren't talking about that. because this might actually have effect on trump and his presidency. >> why are they not talking about that? they seem a little afraid. yes, they say bad trump then they move on. there's nobody -- why is that? >> because he just manages to

say these things that are so inflammatory they have to respond on emotional level make some sort of moral statement about donald trump. and the rest all gets lost. he loves it when that happens. >> dickerson: go ahead. >> i think the focus group gave some of an answer half said that trump ran as independent would support him. if you step back you're republican official this is terrifying. if for some reason you anger trump or do something to get trump on the bad side of the party at large he leaves for independent you just torpedoed your party's chances for the white house. the republicans politicians and officials are kind of -- they're trapped, i'm sure you can look at their body language what they say just denounce trump with all of the fire in their belly but afraid if they do they risk reaction which they cannot control. so it's this hostage situation. >> dickerson: this may be a situation where you have

denunciation of trump and then none of the candidates, no one will say, but if he's the nominee i won't support him. we haven't gotten to that contradiction seems strong but it's there. >> it is strong. like gentleman nell said they don't want to push him out. they know it's over. so, hear jeb bush, really have hard time supporting donald trump as nominee saying well -- they want him to fall on his own weight then go away. they don't want him to be a continuing protest against the system because then system loses. >> good luck with that. because i don't see how you look at development now and polling we have now not conclude that either drum will republican nominee or end den dent candidate for president only now do you see republican official trying to grapple with what that means. not only for losing the white house but for losing republicans control of the senate and for what it means for the future of the republican party. >> i'm not sure i agree with that only just because not that i would deny trump support has

been consistent. but what we have also seen just in the last few weeks is that in fact events can shake up quite dramatically, still very fluid. chris christie is now number two in new hampshire. ben carson's support has fallen off dramatically. ted cruz now leading donald trump. i think you as you get closer to these things some more people drop out of the race's dynamics shift. >> dickerson: let's talk about that trump out cruz. trump is denouncing that, but watch what he does not what he says. watch what he said, listen to what he said on fox news sunday. >> i don't think he has the right temperament. i don't think he's got the right judgment. >> what's wrong with his temperament. >> the way he's dealt with the senate he goes in there like -- frankly like a little bit of maniac never going to get things done that way. >> dickerson: he's talking about senator ted cruz there. and that suggests he feels a

little heat from senator cruz. senator cruz has not attacked donald trump and he says he's only a counter puncher. >> first a great way of putting the way cruz's approach. he's always said -- donald is great, i don't have same policy on this but he's great. he didn't say trump had the right judgment, trump is obviously fighting back in that sense. but it's the polls, trump goes after whoever he sees as threat now sees ted cruz as a threat. a little funny to hear donald trump suggest that another candidate might have problem with temperament and judgment going in to talk with the senate. but, yeah, say what he needs to say. >> dickerson: kim, ted cruz has patient strategy he's been playing out here. is this his moment to grab that when -- give us your sense. >> he's doing very well. i also think he has couple of liabilities which you saw this week, fact that he felt compelled to give national security foreign policy speech,

this goes one of the clever strategies way back he was going to get all these rand paul voters, there are fewer of them in the republican electorate, post paris and post san bernadino he's out there on questions of metadata a little bit more restrained in terms of foreign policy. lot of republican voters who want very muscular foreign policy leader he felt compelled that he had to go and shore himself up on that in terms of a speech. you're going to see in this debate this week i think lot of republicans who are eager to hit him on that. chris christie, jeb bush, marco rubio, interesting to see how he does. >> dickerson: is marco rubio have to do something something now, the conversation is now cruz and trump debate coming up, marco rubio has had goody baits he's tried to make something that have nsa vote -- what he sees as ted cruz's lack of support for the metadata analysis by the nsa. what is your sense of marco rubio? >> i think rubio should just

continue doing what he's doing. steady increase in the poll. going up slowly. in places like iowa, but there's been steady increase he has given great debate performances, he seems to be on everyone's good side of the republican party. so, if i were rubio i don't think any more that you can do at this point other than see what happens with the other candidates. at a certain point if rubio can't get over a hump may have nothing to do with rubio everything to do with the republican primary right now. i will say that there is concern that rubio is not running as good of ground unit as he could be unioning. comments made by republican officials in iowa and new hampshire suggest rubio not spending much time. congressman rubio come pain he needs to spend that much time. that to me, anything concertained about rubio that to me is that i think old fashioned in that regards, to win the states you have to invest time and energy in the people there. rubio campaign seems to differ.

the cruz campaign notably very much believes that you have to invest time and effort into winning the states. >> dickerson: being maybe election is now nationalized you don't have to do what you used to have to do. let's not leave without talking about a broken convention. usually something only talk about in our fantasies now there was some coverage of it this week. what is your thoughts on the idea of a broken republican convention? >> first of all i'd like to vote in favor because how much fun would that be to cover? republicans haven't broken convention since 1948. but i think you could see how it would happen. happen with -- evangelical voters going with ted cruz. ben carson's days are over. who is establishment republican candidate, can that be rubio. have one candidate that could stand up to the force that is ted cruz and donald trump. if you have a three-way split like that, that is the recipe for a broker convention.

>> dickerson: nobody has delegates when they get there, there for has to be managed in the moment. >> you have a second ballot. if candidate doesn't win on the first you have a second ballot. then those people who were elected, delegates elected in primaries are no longer required to vote for whoever won their primary. under all these complicated rules, it goes state by state what you are allow to do. >> opens up the doors to the kind of politicking that we haven't seen in quite some time. >> back room politicking. dickerson: final question, this was seen not by certain candidates in the race attempt by establishment to tinker with the process. is that really what this was? >> i think what i understand the numbers of the rnc sat down were having discussion about what would happen if this or case where people get very, very touchy about stuff like this. i think we got long way to go before we get to brokered convention. got 14 candidates going into iowa see how many come out of

iowa on the other end. this could actually winnow down. >> dickerson: let voters vote before you decide how you're going to work on that. all right. we'll be back in a moment. ♪ ♪ it's the final countdown! ♪ ♪ the final countdown! if you're the band europe, you love a final countdown. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. made a simple tripvere chto the grocery storeis anything but simple. so finally, i had an important conversation with my dermatologist about humira. he explained that humira works inside my body

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lake near san bernadino near the scene of the terror attack. what have they found, what are they looking for? >> they're looking for anything that would give us a clue of the digital footprint of these two individuals who they talk to, where they went. they were gone between the attack and the time law enforcement engaged them. they were on the move for three and a half to four hours and trying to sort of fill in the blanks, where were they. using cameras from the city itself from, convenience stores, trying to recreate exactly where they went, who they might have talked to. >> dickerson: investigators trying to recreate what they were doing in two years before actual attack. what do we know about what the plot appear to be two years in the making or previous plots they might have been involved in. >> clearly we now know that these individuals were radicalized way before probably as early as 2010 for him. and 2012 for her.

we want to look at how our immigration process, visa for spouse broke down this they didn't notice the radicalization. more importantly what we've got to know is who they might have had conversations with relative to their planning, access to the weapons. they didn't just overnight learn how to make 19 pipe bombs. >> dickerson: that's right. and there was a lot of conversation, but his wife satheen malik online, social media, that was missed? was that missed it was missed obviously. should there be something more done in terms of monitoring social media? >> john, today we don't know how much that have might have happened in closed-in systems, encrypted. closed end to end. and what we've seen with paris and now with san bernadino, terrorists who are committed to

destroy their digital footprint to, destroy phones, to take hard drives, i'm sure that the fbi was in the lake trying to find if there was any that have electronic media in the lake. that they can go and trace the conversation, is that took place. let me just say today, encryption is becoming more and more problem with our ability to see inside of the communications of individuals both in the united states with each other and with people abroad. >> dickerson: it seems like there are two issues. one is conversations having just out in the open but there are so many going on and can you take social media conversation and trace that back, might just be somebody blowing off steam that's one thing that seems to have been missed here. not all this was encrypted. it doesn't seem like any evidence that it was. >> understand we have two people who legitimately, legally were in the united states, one lived here for years. nobody on a watch list, no fly list. how would we have detec unless a neighbor had raised an issue with law enforcement.

>> dickerson: right. in social media may not be possible to find -- let's talk about encryption. do you want to do something, silicon valley companies say that you can't create a back door that gets -- encrypted system that has back door for law enforcement also creates back door that makes your encrypted information vulnerable. >> johnf we changed, were talking about terrorism or pedophilia and the fbi is trying to make a law enforcement case against somebody sending photographs of a kid to another pedophile. would we want -- legitimate court order to be able to make that case based upon what they were transferring in encrypted networks. the answer is, yes. by the same token if we have legitimate core report -- report order that law enforcement can act to look at the communications, i believe that's probably i believe that it's absolutely needed in the future regardless of what the

investigation might be in titled to. >> dickerson: i want to get your assessment the national secure about barring muslims from the united states. is there secretary kerry suggested something can be used to incite and recruit. do you believe that to be the case? >> owe had iraqi interpreters that served with u.s. troops in afghanistan. many lost their lives or were injured. out of the last five coalition battles around the world, only three countries have been at our side every step of the way. one was united arab emirates. how do you tell bahrainian pilots that fly, you're good enough to fight against isil but not good enough to come in the united states. huge mistake. this sends the wrong message to people that have to be part of our partnership forces. yes, does serve as -- i'm not concern ld about international i'm concerned about radically occasion here, people who are

already in the united states that does tend to be the case. >> dickerson: thank you so much. we'll be back in a moment to take a closer look at the climate change agreement.

>> dickerson: joining us now is dr. marshal, weather channel meteorologist director of the university of georgia's atmosphere rick science program. dr. shepard the basic question, why is this two degree temperature goal, atmospheric temperature goal as part of this agreement why is that so important? >> yeah, that's a great question. one that i really tried to address just this morning in my most recent column. where did that come from? two degrees really was put forth back in the 1907s as a target threshold by economists at yale that the scientific literature suggested that that is likely the tipping point for some of the irreversible changes in the climate system that we as scientists worry about, continued locking us in for sea level rice, agricultural productivity, we think that is the threshold for some of the

irreversible change. >> dickerson: if that is the tipping point did this agreement do something to get towards that? is it going to meet -- miss the tipping point? >> we think it gets us half way there. it's a starting point. it was my birthday yesterday when i heard about the agreement, what a great birthday present. it gets us half way there one of the really interesting if you wade through details of this new agreement it really in five years out requires countries to be more aggressive about some of the their targets as we move forward. that is very important for us. >> dickerson: if it's only 4568 way there, how do we get to the other half? >> i think that's where we see this cascading or rolling or building in terms of the targets that see 195 plus countries agreed. to i want to make the point that it's very different from previous agreements which left some of the biggy mitting countries like china out.

what is important about this particular agreement that it brings everybody in gets commitment from everyone to reduce their emission levels, part of this mitigation of climate change. also has key provisions for -- some things are already going to happen we need to adapt to it. >> dickerson: i.t. not just in terms of meeting this crucial tipping point or avoiding the tipping point not just made up the agreement there needs to be constant vigilance in terms of keeping these goals. >> that is correct. this is really the start of something that will cascade or roll through the next several decades. it requires countries with accounting of these reductions also requires these countries to actually in the next reporting period out three, five years to actually produce more aggressive targets as well. that will be key to keeping us at that level. one of the interesting things i want to note, there's even language in the agreement that tries to keep us at one and a half degrees because there's

some studies in the peer review literature that suggests that some of the island-bearing nations some of the more developing nations may be more vulnerable even at one and a half degree of warming. >> dickerson: there was anything else in the deal other than the goals that you think is important in terms of addressing climate change? >> yeah, i thought one of the really interesting things that jumped out for me, one, was the really emphasis on role of deforestation and changing landscapes, that in its way, if we lose forests those are -- there's really strong language in there in terms of deforestation and preservation of landscape. the other thing that's really important for me in this, i know that there's some that are worried about economic impacts, it really -- many corporations, the u.s. military are very much in support of some of the things that we saw in this. this is not just about a bunch of egg-headed scientistss like we worried about the climate or

environment. 150 corporations are now signing on in those aspects i think that is key. >> dickerson: okay, great, thank you so much for your help this morning. thanks for join us. we'll be right back. the artific, electric guitars and rockets to the moon. it's the story of america- land of the doers. doin' it. did it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. ♪john henry was a steel drivin' man♪ hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. there's all kinds of doin' up in here. or what they're doin'. what the heck's he doin? energy got us here. and it's our job to make sure there's enough to keep doers doin' the stuff doers do... to keep us all doin' what we do.

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