captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations >> osgood: good morning and happy mother's day. i'm charles osgood, and this is "sunday morning." we'll be tipping our hat to mothers throughout the broadcast this morning with a particular attention to moms of what was once considered a very unlikely age. "never say never" is our cover story to be reported by serena altschul.

>> susan willis was 43 when her son was born, and she'll be 46 when his sibling arrives. she's part of a growing national trend, women having children later than ever before. why did you wait? >> i'm not the same person i was at 20. i think this is the child, the children i was meant to have, and i wouldn't change a thing. 40 is the new 30. everybody is older. if you have a child at 28, it's like a teen pregnancy. >> reporter: ahead this mother's day, "never say never." >> osgood: from moms over 40 to a musically gifted son of australia whose marriage is the stuff of movies. john blackstone will be speaking "for the record" with country singer keith urban. >> reporter: with four grammys and 19 number-one songs to his name, keith urban sure knows how to make music.

>> hey, baby. >> music is so much a part of our family because of him. ♪ but i won't live with regret ♪ >> reporter: chart-topping keith urban later on "sunday morning." ♪ because it's gone tomorrow here today ♪ >> osgood: our sunday profile this morning is of allison janney, star of a tv series with its own unique take on motherhood as lee cowan will show us. >> what are you doing? >> i can't sleep next to someone who doesn't value me. >> since when? >> reporter: on tv allison janney plays a mom with a host of problems, not the least of which she's in recovery. >> i know being an actor is you basically lie. you do things you haven't done before, but there are certain things i don't feel like i have a right to. >> reporter: with this role, allison janney says she does have a right to, but it comes with pain she may never lose. the story ahead on "sunday morning."

>> osgood: bei bei is a different sort of mother's day story from our rita braver. >> >> reporter: okay, moms, if you think you have a lot of family photos, well everything these giant pandas do is recorded. did the zoo have any idea how popular the panda cams would be? >> i don't think anybody could predict the incredible popularity, but what i love is that this is science in real life, in real time. >> reporter: later on "sunday morning," panda >> -monium. >> osgood: mo rocca has the story of a decision to return home. conor knighton is on the trail to petrified forest national park. gary hart signs off on one very tal order and more, but first the headlines this morning, the 8th of may 2016.

the huge wildfire raging in the western canadian province of alberta has now consumed more than 500,000 acres. it's forecast to be the most costly natural disaster in canada's history. parts of the town of fort mcmurray no longer exist. 100,000 people have been evacuated. mexican drug lord "el chapo" guzman, who was has twice escape from jail, has been moved. he's now jailed in northern mexico, just across the texas border. guzman's attorneys are fighting proposals that he be extradited to the united states. sadiq khan, the british-born son of pakistani immigrants and a muslim, is now the new lord mayor of london. he celebrated his victory yesterday with a multi-faith ceremony at an anglican cathedral. at the 142nd kentucky derby run at churchill downs in

louisville yesterday, the favorite did not disappoint. >> exaggerator on the outside. nyquist and exaggerator. they're coming to the line together. and nyquist is still unbeaten. he has won the kentucky derby! >> osgood: a crowd of 167,000 attended the race, the second largest in derby history. here's the weather: a wet mother's day is in store for folks across the plains, parts of the west and the northeast. severe storms could hover over kansas and oklahoma. for the week ahead, scattered showers across the east. warming in the west. just ahead, mother's day at the zoo. but first... ♪ old mcdonald had a farm >> osgood: never say never. ,,,,,

>> osgood: say hello to cal lilly rose, only five months old. her mother is robin rose mcfadden, one of our sunday morning producers. deciding when in life to have a baby is a very personal decision, and for more women these days, it appears to be a case of never say never. our cover story is reported now by serena altschul.

>> yeah, so we got a few orders in for mother's day over the weekend. >> reporter: when aisla danchand launched her baking business for 2009, she was hungry for success. what kind of schedule were you working? it sounds like 24 hours? >> 24 hours a day, seven seven days a week. >> reporter: non-stop? >> non-stop. thank you, ladies. >> reporter: and it paid off. in just four years she said evelyn's kitchen grew to be a seven-figure business. then in her early 40s, she wanted to expand again, in a different way. so why wait until your 40s to really try have a baby? >> we just had other priorities. >> reporter: work came first. >> work came first. >> reporter: but after several years and one miscarriage, she gave up trying, convinced she had waited too long. then, in july of 2014... >> i just felt lethargic.

i didn't feel well. i was sure that this was first signs of menopause. i said, this must be early onset menopause at this point. i googled menopause. i didn't fit any... there was none of the checklist that fit. the next morning i took a pregnancy test. >> reporter: and another? >> and another. >> reporter: and another. >> i probably took like 13 or 14. literally i was buying the five packs. >> reporter: they all came back positive. and on march 2, 2015, brooklyn emanuel was born. five months later brooklyn's mother turned 46. did you have any concerns or misgivings about being pregnant at your age? >> i was already thinking like i'm crazy taking her to kindergarten and i'm going to be the age of some people's grandparents, and it will be like, this is my daughter. >> reporter: but it turns out she's not alone. nationwide the number of babies

born to women 45 and older, while still relatively small, has more than tripled in the past two decades, and the average age of first-time mothers has climbed in every state across the country. seems like everywhere you look these days you see a woman over 40 with a beautiful little angel like this one. meet my vivian. she turned one last february. her mother, over 40. you see this as a temporary phenomenon? >> this isn't a blip. this is a seismic shift. >> reporter: social psychologist susan neumann says change on the american homefront started with a revolution in the american workplace. >> i think the opening up of careers and jobs for women actually paved the way more than anything else. women are staying in school longer. they're starting jobs but staying in them, getting

themselves established on a career path if that's what they want. >> 40 is the new 30. you know, everybody is older. if you have somebody that's 28, it's like a teen pregnancy. >> reporter: dr. joann stone is director of maternal fetal medicine at mt. sinai hospital in new york city. she says waiting has its risks. >> so one in five couples who are over 40 will have infertility. >> reporter: and for those who do get pregnant... >> a woman whose 40 has a 1 in 50 chance, a 1 in 40 chance that the fetus may have an issue, and that increases by a lot. then medical complications are higher, as well, so developing high bloop pressure, developing diabetes, premature birth, stillbirth is higher. >> reporter: but with medical advances, the odds of limiting those risks have gotten better. so have the odds of actually conceiving. >> if you can kind of rattle off the ways one can get pregnant these days.

>> there's still the good old-fashioned way of getting pregnant. >> reporter: sex. >> sex, right. probably the most fun way of getting pregnant. there's seeking fertility treatments or using your own eggs that may be getting a little help with some oral medication or injections and insimilar nation, or there's in vitro fertilization, which can involve your own eggs. it could involve frozen eggs or frozen embryos from a earlier time period, or there is also the option for donor eggs. >> reporter: the use of assisted reproductive technology has more than tripled in the past two decades, but it can cost tens of thousands of dollars, and it's not always covered by insurance. still... >> having the ability to freeze eggs and embryos and make the decision when i was ready, as ready as i was ever going to be, i couldn't have done it without science. >> reporter: on the day we met dr. stone, she was also visited

by 45-year-old patient, a single mother pregnant again, her first child almost two and a half. >> are you feeling okay? >> yeah, i feel fine. >> good. baby looks perfect. nice. >> i didn't want to not have children because i didn't meet the right guy. >> reporter: so she relied on her back-up plan instead. at 40 she froze embryos, her own eggs matched with sperm from a hand-picked donor. how did you decide on the sperm donor? >> it's kind of like online shopping. there are photographs and there are interviews and there are likes and dislikes, and i spent a friday afternoon narrowing it down. i had a clear favorite from the moment i saw his picture, i had a clear favorite. >> reporter: an embryo was implanted at age 42. at 43 she gave birth to her son. >> i think technology has made it so that women do have what they think of in their minds as

the cushion, that security blanket. >> reporter: and with that security blanket, social psychologist susan newman says women are reshaping the american family. >> the fact of the matter is that families are getting smaller and smaller. you know, some women who are older are having second children. but the majority of them, especially the ones who use in vitro fertilization, two-thirds of those women are stopping at one. >> reporter: will that change things? >> we will have fewer aunts and uncles, but i don't really see that as a problem because we will use friends as substitute aunts and uncles. >> reporter: how old is too old? >> i would hate to put an absolute cut-off. i mean, i think being 80 would probably be unreasonable. >> reporter: love you. 80 is too old.

>> reporter: 80 may be too old, but 40-something feels just right, at least for the mothers we met. >> i think i always knew i always wanted to be a mom. ♪ old mcdonald had a farm. e-i-e-i-o ♪ i never once considered life without children. it was the best thing i ever did. what does the cow say? >> moo >> ♪ with a moo moo here and a moo moo there ♪ >> osgood: coming up... >> clearly under present >> osgood: coming up... >> clearly under present circumstances, this campaign terry bradshaw? what a surprise! you know what else is a surprise? shingles. and how it can hit you out of nowhere. i know. i had it. c'mon let's sit down and talk about it. and did you know that one in three people will get shingles? (all) no. that's why i'm reminding people if you had chickenpox then the shingles virus is already inside you. (all) oooh. who's had chickenpox? scoot over. and look that nasty rash can pop up anywhere and the pain can be even worse than it looks. talk to your doctor or pharmacist.

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>> osgood: and now from a page from our sunday morning online, may 8, 1987, 29 years ago today. >> gary hart officially dropped out of the race today. he made a statement. he took no questions. >> osgood: the day former colorado senator gary hart quit the democratic race for president in the face of a media frenzy. >> now clearly under present circumstances, this campaign cannot go on. >> osgood: a media frenzy many remember today solely by this photograph of hart and a woman named donna rice on the dock next to a yacht called "monkey business." >> i do not have to answer that question. >> the question was: have you

ever committed dull try, and gary hart never really answered it. >> osgood: just a few days before he dropped out, an anonymous tip about a possible affair had led "miami herald" reporters to confront hart outside his washington townhouse. their story ran the next day, the very same day "the new york times" printed quotes from an earlier hart interview. when asked about rumors of infidelity, he had answered, "follow me around. i don't care. i'm serious. if anybody wants to put a tail on me, go ahead. they'd be very bored." >> gary hart fled to his mountain retreat in colorado thursday. >> osgood: boring it was not. theay,ing himcense, theediahedne >> iuse tomityamyriends andentpe

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♪ i'm a sunday morning i'm a mama and daddy ♪ singing along to don mclean ♪ >> osgood: keith urban is one of the biggest names in country music. how urban comes up with all those country hits is one of the things she'll share now with john blackston "for the record." >> two, three, four... >> reporter: at his rehearsal studio in nashville, keith urban is getting ready for a world tour that begins in june. >> funny things is you have these songs. we've written them, we've recorded them and we never played them live. we have to arrange everything. we could sit on that six minor for a while. it's brand-new, so opening night is always interesting. you get on the road and play stuff, and it's amazing how much stuff in theory doesn't work in

practice. >> that feels like that could go somewhere. >> reporter: the new songs are from a new album "ripcord" just out last friday. singles released early have already landed at the top of the country charts. ♪ all that wasted time and with four grammys to his name, urban has a deep reservoir of hits stretching back 16 years. ♪ i'm alive and i'm free who wouldn't want to be me ♪ it's one reason he tours with nearly two dozen guitars. >> we have songs on that list that we've played for a lot of years. sometimes as a guitar player, i use a slightly different guitar. >> reporter: and there are sinly those songs you have the play over and over. >> that we get to play over and over. thank goodness people still want to hear them. >> reporter: it's hard to believe urban, who is now 48, could be any happier than when he has a guitar in his hand.

>> hi, baby. >> reporter: when his wife, nicole kidman, dropped in, she gave us some insight into his song writing. >> he will have worked all day, and he'll come home and go, i haven't got the song, and then suddenly the song will come together, and he'll be writing, and music is so much a part of our family now. the great thing about being an artists is i'm an actor and he's a singer and a songwriter, but you have an innate understanding of what it takes to do the work, especially if you want it to be authentic and true. >> reporter: they've been married ten years and have two daughters. >> the girls andly go on tour this summer. we'll be out there dancing. we like dancing. ♪ i'm a. >> chris: stoferson sunday morning ♪ >> reporter: some songs were written in london last year while kidman was performing in a

play. >> it's extraordinary love coming from the audience. and i see what he gives and what they give back, and it's really... it's beautiful images. >> oh, my gosh, that moment when it's all one, it's amazing. >> reporter: urban began performing as a teenager growing up in australia. his parents, bob and marianne, were big fans of american country music. you quit school at 15. what did your parents say? >> they totally got it. you know, it's hard because i get asked by parents all the time, i can't advise anybody anything. everybody has to find their own path, but because i was playing in a band on the weekends and the band would play without me during the week, and because i'd been playing guitar since i was six, they could see, this is what i'm going to do, and i was willing to work. my mom and dad both strong work ethic. >> reporter: your father was a drummer. lots of music in the family. but you didn't read muse nick a traditional way.

>> new york i failed music at school, which was a real drag. because it's all theory based. i wasn't theory based. i learned by ear. i got taught a basic cord and then another basic chord. it was like monkey see-monkey do. >> reporter: his goal was to get to nashville. he made it in 1992. >> tough. >> reporter: this is where you arrived in nashville? >> yes. this club has been here a long time. i really wasn't prepared for how hard it was going to be, how long it was going to take. >> reporter: a lot of stress. part of the challenge, you didn't start drinking until your 20s but then you made up for it. >> people say, just do your best. i went, i'm doing my best. i'm just smashing into a brick wall. what now? what now? i don't know what to do. >> reporter: and then you got through that once, met nicole, and you almost blew it. >> yeah. i had to surrender a lot to struggles i had and get help with that, and just be willing

to recognize that i was an alcoholic. simple as that. >> reporter: kidman's support was crucial in his recovery. >> meeting her and getting married wasn't life changing, it was life beginning. it was literally like, okay, now life starts. >> when you go and see keith live, that's when you really get to know him, and you see the musicianship. it's extraordinary. and i know nothing about guitar other than i like how it sounds, but people come up to me... >> i know nothing about acting. >> so we're a good match. >> this song actually opens up the album. it's called "gone tomorrow, here today." >> reporter: urban says he can still almost hear his dad keeping the beat when he's writing a song. does the music come first? do the words come first? >> i hope anything comes. my dad was a drummer. rhythm is such a deep part of my whole being really. >> this is a ganjo. >> reporter: he used his ganjo

to show how a song comes to live from a rhythm to a few chords. >> it's a little drumbeat, just a little simple, straight ahead. that rhythm thing keeps playing. and then this little thing sits underneath. it's like... everything starts to dance together. so we just start playing that. then you just go forever. you just dig on it. you're in the zone. it's like a trans. things will come. ♪ oh, mr. melody you know. ♪ i don't know what i'm singing but it's coming out somehow ♪ but i won't live with regrets car bay diem is the seek ratted ♪ cause it's gone tomorrow here today ♪ i won't let it slip away

>> reporter: urban's influences often come from far outside country music. he seems as comfortable with aerosmith and the rolling stones as with any star from nashville. his new song "son don't let me down," he worked with nile rodgers, who has been producing hits since the days of disco. then he invited mr. worldwide, the rapper pit bull, to join in. >> it was one of those moments where i thought, he would be really good on that song. luckily he loved the song, and he did something on it. the next thing we knew it's becoming more like... ♪ keith urban mr. worldwide ♪ live it up >> he's suddenly all over the song. ♪ the sun comes up >> of course on the song he does a full verse. ♪ freedom is for real >> i love the fact those things can organically happen through hearing and thinking and putting things together.

>> reporter: the one dark cloud recently in urban's life was the death of his father in december. it's a tough thing to lose a parent. >> yeah, very much. i'm grateful that he got to see the field being fruitful for all the support and work he put in. he could see it. he saw me happily married and all the things i think as a parent you want to see from your kids. >> reporter: urban's music often takes country in new directions. he's made a signature of a driving sound that aims to lift people up and make the most of every minute. >> i've always had that feeling, i have for many, many years, that everything is now. this is all there is is now, like in the moment. >> osgood: next, a boy and his dog. [barking] is. and i was worried about joint damage.

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>> osgood: oh, bei bei. bei bei is the giant panda born last summer at washington's national zoo, and this morning rita braver has some bei bei pictures for us. >> can you tug it? good boy. >> reporter: okay, moms, let's face it, this baby may be cuter than yours, and a lot more famous. he's bei bei, born at the smithsonian institution's national zoo in washington,

d.c., last august. his arrival made headlines, even though he wasn't much to look at then. >> they are about 1/900th the size of the mother. >> reporter: you always say like a stick of butter. >> yes, but holding them in your hand, you're amazed how sturdy they feel. >> reporter: they're born hairless and blind? >> yes, they're blind and deaf. >> andy: a panda keeper is aided by 60 volunteers to keep the giant pandas happy and healthy. bei bei will stay with his mother until he's about two. his father and big sister have their own separate specially designed habitat as pandas are usually solitary creatures. almost every move they make is captured by the zoo's famous panda cams. remember when this video went viral last winter?

did the zoo have any idea how popular the panda cams would be? >> >> i don't think anybody could predict the incredible popularity, but what i love is this is science in real life, in real time. >> reporter: brandie smith, who oversees the zoo's panda operation, says the cameras help volunteers keep detailed logs of each animal's daily activity. >> must be getting warm outside because she is indicating that she's warm. >> right now we're looking at the mother-cub interaction, hoping we can learn from that and hoping we can make more pandas in the future. >> reporter: more pandas because they are a highly endangered species. found only in china, there are only about 1,800 in the wild, and humans have encroached on their territory. >> nope. good boy. all the way in. >> reporter: so the pandas at the national zoo get frequent

check-ups, and in a rare behind-the-scenes visit, we got to see how they're trained to cooperate. >> i don't think you're in the middle of the scale. >> reporter: biologist laurie thompson coaxes bei bei to weigh in. -43 pounds. 43.5 pounds. >> reporter: the reward, a sweet potato. >> he's curious about anything new in his enclosure. >> am i allowed to pet him. >> no. >> reporter: yes, these cuddly creature kearse bite, and almost three years and 180 pounds, bow bow, bei bei's sister, does her training through a cage. >> all the way in. open. good. >> reporter: in exchange for a delicious stream of honey water. >> good girl. >> reporter: it's how she grows accustomed to everything from dental exams... >> open. good. >> reporter:...to blood blood tests according to the panda keeper.

if you do a blood stick for her, does it hurt her? >> they might feel it initially, like a little pink, like a person does, as well, but she's getting a honey reward, which is much more fantastic than anything she's going through. >> reporter: it was panda diplomacy that brought first two pandas to the national zoo. >> i think they're adorable, endearing creatures. >> reporter: sing sing and andlingling were a gift from the government after president knickson's visit to the country. but that panda never produced a cub that survived. in contrast, bei bei's parents, who are here on loan from the chinese government, have produced three healthy cubs, including tyshaun, now almost 11 and living in china, but it hasn't been easy. >> the giant pandas are a species that is very difficult to reproduce and care for in captivity, primarily because our knowledge of their biology has

been very rudimentary until the last decade or so. >> reporter: the director of the smithsonian conservation biology institute in virginia. a key mission here is studying panda reproduction. >> the female only matures and ovulates one time a year some you have a 36-hour win deof fertility once a year with a giant panda. >> reporter: by collecting urine sample, researchers have been able to pinpoint exactly when she's fertile and ready for a visit. but so far they haven't been able to connect the parts, have i got that right? >> that's a nice way of putting it. there is an anatomical mismatch, let's say. >> reporter: to tell you the truth, lady, it's apparently a performance issue on the male panda's part. >> one, two, three. >> reporter: so bei bei was conceived by artificial insemination.

sadly, his twin did not survive, but every panda that makes it is considered a minor miracle. >> they're still under threat, so we are in a race against time. we have much, much more work to do. >> reporter: bow bow and bei bei will be sent to china within a few years, so we should enjoy them while we can. and the zoo's brandie smith says there's a primal reason why we are so delighted by the antics of these creatures. >> when you see something that touches your heart, there's a biochemical reaction. you produce the same chemicals associated with childbirth. they make you happier. >> you got it? >> you become a better person by watching these pandas. >> osgood: next, a grande gesture. >> caramel frappuccino, please. ,

>> osgood: keeping a customer happy can be tall order for anyone behind a counter, which is why the server steve hartman watched in action decided to go the extra mile. >> reporter: for a deaf person, getting the drink you want at starbucks can be a tall order. but not here. thanks to a barista who recently did something truly grande. >> when i came in, the first thing she did is she wrote the note. so i thought maybe she had a question for me, but it really wasn't a question at all. and as i read through it, it struck me. >> reporter: he immediately posted this picture of the note, which read, "i've been learning asl, american sign language, just so you can have the same experience as everyone else."

>> what can i get for you today? >> reporter: that was from crystal payne. she only waited on iny once before she went home and learned sign language for him. >> maybe i spent three or more hours on it. >> reporter: getting ready to take one order? >> yeah. if he's a regular, i want to make that connection with my regulars, i should be able to ask him what he wants to drink. >> what do you want to drink? >> reporter: today crystal knows everything she needs to wait on ibby. >> caramel frappuccino, please. >> reporter: and that's the extent of their interaction. to crystal, no big deal, but to ibby who says naff gaiting a hearing world is often frustrating, what crystal did is a wonderful gesture that he will never forget. he even saved the note. >> i wanted to keep it in the frame. >> reporter: sometimes customer service gets a bad rap, and it's often well deserved. >> hi, what can i get for you today? >> reporter: but there are those front line work there's go above and beyond, not for a tip

or because the boss is watching, but because kindness is who they are, and the customer is all they care about. >> this is something that gave me genuine happiness. >> reporter: even now? >> yes. even now. still smiling. >> osgood: still to come... >> mom, i've watched you lick cocaine crumbs out of a shag carpet. >> osgood: allison janney, tv's "mom." and later... >> two park rangers. >> hands off. >> i am so, so sorry for taking the petrified wood. i didn't know it was so special. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious. see me to know that... ...i won't stop until i find what works. discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate