,, >> dickerson: today on "face the nation." donald trump gives no ground as we go one on one. we'll look back at the life of the greatest, muhammad ali. as she closes in on democratic nomination, hillary clinton changes course launches a withering round of attacks against donald trump. >> this is not just another outlandish insulting comment from donald trump. and it is not normal politics. this is something much, much more dangerous. >> dickerson: we sat down with the presumptive republican nominee in california ahead of tuesday's primary. asked him about the growing controversy over trump university and the judge presiding over the case against him. with him not -- >> member of a society.

but i say -- i want to build a wall. >> dickerson: we'll have plenty of analysis on all the political news plus we'll talk about the legacy of muhammad ali. who died friday at the age of 74. it's all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. less than a month ago we traveled to california to sit down with democratic front runner hillary clinton. and asked her about her strategy in the fall campaign. >> i am going to run a race based on issues. what my agenda is for the american people, i don't really feel like i'm running against donald trump. >> dickerson: just underscore how quickly this campaign is changing she reverses course against trump late last week. >> donald trump's ideas aren't just different, they are dangerously incoherent. he is not just unprepared, he is temper men fallly unfit. to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense

responsibility. >> dickerson: sat down with mr. trump at his home in beverly hills on friday that's where our in ii view began. on thursday hillary clinton gave speech very tough on you said that you wanted to bring back waterboarding, go after the families of terrorist, she says you've said that you no more about isis than the generals, what policy of yours did she mischaracterize. >> it was really trump policy. she had it all wrong. first of all, she talked that i wanted to nuke all of these countries is ridiculous. i want these countries to pay for protecting them. we have 19 trillion in debt very soon going to 21 trillion in debt i want these countries to reimburse us at least for our cost. she made many statements that she knows were wrong. >> dickerson: do you feel like you know more about isis than the generals. >> they don't know much because they're not winning, i you this they're not winning for a different reason. i think obama is hurting them.

>> dickerson: how so? >> from what i hear it's being run from the white house. it's all being run from the white house. i've spoken to certain generals i'll keep it quiet, highly respected people. we could knock them out fast. >> dickerson: in office now generals? in. >> one case in office. one case out of office. they said, both said the same thingf we had the leadership, mean can the go ahead, could knock them out fast. for some reason obama is not doing that. >> dickerson: let me ask you about libya you've been highly critical of libya. you were also for military action to oust gadhafi and take action in libya, you supported this. >> you say supportive, i supported libya? >> you supported -- did i? where do you see that. >> dickerson: in video blog from 2011 you said -- >> we should go in, we stop this guy which would be very easy and very quick, we could do it surgically. stop him from doing it and save these lives.

>> big difference from what we're talking about. i'm only one, i made lot of money with gadhafi. he came to the country and he had to make a deal with me because he needed a place to stay, they paid me a fortune, never got to stay there it became a big joke. but the fact is, that libya was a disaster from the standpoint of way it was handled. >> dickerson: for intervention? just to clear that up? >> for something, but for what you have right now. right now isis has their oil, john. ice is selling -- among finest oil in the world. isis has taken over the libyan oil and we don't do blockades or anything, making a fortune with it. we go out, we do libya, we do it poorly as poorly as you can do it. you can't do worse. and then now if you look at what's happened, the end results isis is selling the oil and it's a total mess. >> dickerson: this is one of the things that confuse some people about your position you said you weren't for intervention but you were for intervention. >> i didn't mind surgical. i said surgical. do you a surgical shot you take

them out. but i wasn't for what happened. look at the way -- look with benghazi all of the problems it was handled horribly. >> dickerson: you said you were never for intervention. >> i was never for strong intervention, i could have seen surgical where you take out gadhafi and his group. >> dickerson: you said hillary clinton should go to jail. if fbi which is investigating if there's no indictment, will your attorney general go -- >> so, i have spoken to, i've watched and i've read many, many lawyers on the subject. so-called neutral lawyers. not even on one side or the other. everyone of them without a doubt said that what she did is far worse than what other people did like general petraeus who got two-year jail term. general petraeus and others have been treated -- lives have been in a sense destroyed, she keeps campaigning. what she did is a criminal situation. she wasn't supposed to do that with a server and e-mails all of the other. now, i rely on the lawyers. these are good lawyers.

these are professional lawyers. these are lawyers that know what they're talking about and are very well versed they say she's guilty as hell. >> dickerson: sounds like you're making promise for attorney general that if you were electet you were making. to have -- >> very fair. but i would have my attorney general look at it. >> dickerson: even if it investigation -- >> you have a five maybe six-year statute of limitation. >> dickerson: current investigations don't find anything you'd have your attorney general go back? >> yes, i would. everyone knows that she's guilty. now, i would say this, she's guilty. but i would let my attorney general make that determination. maybe they would disagree i would let that person make the determination. >> dickerson: what for you is she exactly guilty of? >> she's guilty of the servers, guilty of you look at confidential information, i mean all of the information that probably has gotten out all over the world. and then you know what she's also guilty of stupidity and bad judgment. >> dickerson: if that were criminal -- >> i'm not saying that part is criminal. but certainly guilty of that. in terms of this country, she is guilty of having just bad,

bad -- how could she do it -- >> dickerson: what gets to jail, though? what what's the difference between rhetoric and law? >> what the lawyers are say can what she did in terms of national security, very strict rules and regulations, she's broken all of them. >> dickerson: classification issue? >> course it is. but she's broken so much. but she's so -- if you look at -- from the standpoint i don't have did she do it? judgment, the word judgment, this is not criminal judgment you make bad judge the. actually under those rules and regulations judgment even criminal. weren't supposed to do it. if you make a mistake they don't take that into account, why would a person and how can a person with this kind of judgment become the president of the united states? now, think of this. in a cyberworldn is a very complex, we're in world like we've never been in before. if we were in cyber-world she can't even handle her e-mails how can she be president? we're being hacked all over the

place by russia, china probably. i mean, to the best of everyone's knowledge it seems to be. listen to this, we're in a cyberworld and she's playing around with servers and e-mails. how can she be running this country. she doesn't know what she's doing idea move on to another development. paul ryan now come out and endorsed you. you've talked to him several times. which of his ideas of the famous ryan ideas are most appealing to you? >> he's most appealing. he's a good man. he wants good things for the country. we will agree on many things, we're not going to agree on all is things. we'll agree on many things. i think we'll agree on, as an example he really focuses on poverty. he wants to take people out of poverty. so do i. we're going to come up with a plan. >> dickerson: why do you think people are poor? >> because they don't have jobs. poor in many cases because they don't have jobs. i will tell you will bring jobs back to this country like nobody has ever seen before.

and people like carrier and ford and nabisco leaving chicago and moving to mexico. they're all moving to mexico. i will stop that very quickly. >> dickerson: do you see yourself as implementing paul ryan's agenda as president or is paul ryan implementing the donald trump? >> i think compromise, honestly. i can see a proceed mice. >> dickerson: on issues of trade, entitlements, you and -- immigration, trade, entitlements, immigration are no small issues you are on exactly the opposite end -- those aren't differences. >> i don't know. to be honest. we've spoken about it very briefly. they are big subjects. what my deal is on trade i want good deals. somebody said, what is your position on trade n i said, i want good deals. whether it's free trade, not free trade, i want good deals for our country. we don't make good deals we have a trade deficit with china with mexico, we're have trade deficit with japan. we make bad deals whether it's the military, whether it's

trade, we only make bad deals. >> dickerson: he was asked by cnn, two things. one about deporting of the 11 million undocumented immigrants which the president by the way called a fantasy. he said if you asked him to do that he'd say, no, don't do it. also said about temporary ban on muslim integration, no, don't do it. based on these promises. how are you going to get past the establishment to keep those promises? >> you have to watch and see. i've done a lot of things nobody thought i could do. >> dickerson: you're not backing down on the promises based on -- >> we have to do something. we have a problem in this country. we have a radical islamic terrorism problem in this country. by the way, throughout the world. throughout the world. it's a problem. it's a temporary thing i'm not talking permanent. we have to find out what is going on. >> dickerson: what does the members cab heritage of the trump -- heritage. jump university case? >> i've had terrible rulings forever. i had a judge previous would have been a very quick case.

this is a case i should have won own summary judgment. this is street case, nobody writes this, they don't like to write it, the plaintiff in the case is a woman. she was so bad that under deposition it was over. she couldn't have been -- it was a disaster. they went before the judge, they said, we don't want her to be the plaintiff. we want to put somebody else in. we said, well, that's fine. dismiss the case. you have to dismiss the case. wait a minute. she gave letters, the most incredible reviews that you've ever seen, of the university. she had most incredible. on top we have a tape where she's talking about it in the most glowing terms. you wouldn't speak about your college -- >> dickerson: but the judge from mexico -- >> we're getting terrible rulings. we go to the judge, say to the judge, you can't let her out of the case. he let her out of the case. she's the plaintiff. the case is over. the case isn't over.

now, give me -- >> dickerson: but -- for him, how is his mexican heritage have to do with him not ruling -- >> he's a member of a a club or society very strongly pro mexican. which is fine. but i say he's got bias. i want to build a wall. i'm doing very well with the latinos, mexicans, very well with them in my opinion. and we're going to see -- you're going to see, because you know what i'm providing jobs. nobody else is giving jobs. but just so you understand. this judge has treated me very unfairly. he's treated me in a hostile manner. and there's something going on. when a woman can be a plaintiff in a case then say, i don't want to be -- you know why they don't want to be a plaintiff, they didn't want her, lawyers asked that she not be a plaintiff because they boo have lost the -- >> $. dickerson: if his members an heritage is bear -- dash members an heritage, why would any mexican voter vote for you when they be -- >> they're going to vote because i'm going to bring -- >> dickerson: the same problem because you want to build a

wall? >> by made speech last night, hundreds of signs, latinos for trump. all over the place. you know what, they are here legally. they don't want their homes taken away, they don't want their job taken away. they like what i'm doing. people can come in but they have to come in legally. >> dickerson: what if he was a muslim. you've been tough on temporary muslim immigration ban. would a ms. limb judge be allowed? >> tremendous numbers of people coming into this country that we know nothing about. we have a problem in this country, we're going to have big problems. i've been good at predicting thing, john. we'll have people coming into this country totally undocumented they don't know anything about them. they don't have paperwork. i interviewed talked to the best law enforcement people in the business, no way of knowing where they come from. and we're taking them in from the so-called migration. they are being sent all over the country. we have people that don't

know -- >> dickerson: my question is different. would a muslim judge not be able to treat you fairly because of that policy of yours? >> it's possible, yes. that would be possible, absolutely. >> dickerson: isn't there sort tradition in heck that we don't judge people by who their parents are? >> i'm talking about common sense. he's somebody is proud of his heritage, that's great that he's proud -- >> dickerson: you're saying barrier to him doing his job. >> he's in the treating me narrowly. >> dickerson: not because who his parents are? >> i have a case where thousands of people have said it was a great school. they have written reviews where they say it's a great school. not a good school, like great. gave highest marks. i have thousands of these papers. should have been summary judgment case meaning the case should have been dismissed. i had a judge who was very fair. a lawyer that came in when he came in. the lawyer on other side sort of entered the case when did he, trying to figure out what that is -- >> dickerson: throw this out because -- >> now that we didn't know

before. >> dickerson: because of his mexican heritage? >> because of other things. dickerson: you said you want to -- >> how do you allow a case to proceed when the plaintiff asks to be dismissed from the case. the plaintiff, the one that brought the suit, said, i don't want to sue any more. then you know why they didn't want to? she can't win the case because she was a disaster. the the lawyers want her dismissed. they go before the judge he let's her out? well, he can let her out but you have to dismiss the case. >> dickerson: i guess i'm confused what his mexican parents have to do with that. >> excuse me, i want to build a wall. i don't think it's very confusing. has nothing to do with anything except common sense. we have to stop being so politically correct in this country. we need a little more common sense, john. i'm not blaming, i'm proud of my heritage, we're all proud of our heritage. but i want to build a wall. hispanics, many of them like what i'm saying they're here legally they don't want people coming taking their jobs and their house and everything else. they don't want that.

>> dickerson: let me ask you about trump university you're going to reopen it, anything do you differently when you reopen it? >> look, i guess in life you always do things differently. the thing that we did very well we had evaluation reports done by all of the students. without that, it would be my word against their word i guess. or somebody's word against their word. we have evaluation reports where we have thousands of them. thousands of them. and these reports, very detailed reports. what did you think of the instructors, what do you think of this. one to file. mostly five. five being excellent. it's from one to five. five being the best. people circled, i'm being sued by people that have given this tremendous -- they're going to say, they were forced. who forced them? nobody forced them. they forced thousands of people to sign reports? nobody forced them to sign reports. many says remarks, many have been handwriting, beautiful statements about the school. look, it's very simple. it's called if i have chance to get my money back let me get my

money back. >> dickerson: last question, should the u.s. go to the olympics with the threat of zika in brazil? >> the answer to, yes. but certainly as an athlete wouldn't want to do it. >> dickerson: thank you very much. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with a look back at the life of muhammad ali.

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eyes canned see. >> dickerson: for a man who made his living dancing around the ring he became a legend when he took a stand. in 1964 he announced he was giving up what he called his slave name of cassius clay. and converting to islam. >> cassius clay is a name no no more. >> yes, sir. it's muhammad ali. muhammad means worthy of all praise, ali means most high. >> dickerson: he was a militant over what it was like to be black in america. in some parts of the country a black man who did that could be killed for it. a 1967, ali became a per rye i can't refusing to join the army on religious grounds during the vietnam war. at the height of his talent, he sacrificed his fame, title and liberty for his beliefs. marking new era in political activism by a star athlete. his come back bouts with george foreman and joe frazier made him a global celebrity. and in 1981, he even put his fame to use. >> the former heavy weight

champion, reportedly yelled, i'm your brother, i want to help you. >> dickerson: by talking suicidal man back from the brink. the last half of his life ali battled parkinson's diseasal rallying in 1996 to carry the olympic torch. once scorned he was now a hero. ali hasn't changed, the times had. writing in his auto buy byeography he wanted to be remembered a man who stood up for his beliefs no matter what. as a man who tried to unite all humankind through faith and love. i wouldn't even mind, he wrote, if folks forgot how pretty i was. muhammad ali was 74. joining us now to "new york times" sports columnist william roden in new york, muhammad ali biography, author of his life and times and new book out today, muhammad ali, a tribute to the greatest.

start with you, explain for people who may not have seen whole course of muhammad ali's life, where you put your finger on the greatsness of muhammad ali, was it boxer, civil rights, humanitarian? >> so much, john. covered everyone. for me the first thing was, i never thought i'd feel? sad. i knew this was coming, i thought -- the first -- this guy has been in my life since i was like 13 years old. and boxing, i was the only black kid in harvey, illinois, catholic school. everybody talking all this trash about ali. i remember getting ready to watch -- my father was a joe louis guy. it was february, so, just before the fight went on my dad put on his coat, over coat. he was going -- i said, where are you going? i'm going out to catch clay.

that was known for opposite ends. but -- >> dickerson: meaning he's going to get knocked out. >> he thought liston was going to knock him out so he was going to catch him. every day of my life when i'm 16, 17, the war was real. this is '67. the war is real. we're thinking, what are we going to do about -- every phase of my life, including now, ali was there. >> dickerson: thomas, tell me about muhammad ali as a boxer. why was he so good? >> let me just get one thing off my chest. i was listening to donald trump at the top of this telecast, it brought back a memory of a dinner i had attended at the taj mahal. the trump taj mahal a as it was known then in the mid 1990s, one of those dinners where muhammad was given an award, big

gala event. donald trump was sitting at the same table at ma'am add. ma'am add leaned over whispered to me, he's not as big as he thinks he is. that was one of many times when muhammad was right. now, in terms of muhammad, why he was great, he was arguably the greatest fighter of all time. he was a beacon of hope for oppressed people all over the world. every time he looked in the mirror said, i'm so pretty what he was saying before it became fashionable was, black is beautiful. when he refused induction into the united states army he stood up for the proposition, but unless you have a very good reason for killing people, war is wrong. that's a lesson we still haven't learned. people all over the world haven't learned it. i think in the end his greatest contribution might have been that there was an aura of pure goodwill and love about him. he taught us how to love.

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>> dickerson: some of our cbs stations are leaving us now but for most of you we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." including a look at legendary life of muhammad ali, the conversation with democratic cop sol than david axelrod and our panel plus look at surprises in the news. stay with us.

>> dickerson: welcome back. we want to continue our conversation with "new york times" columnist william rhoden and muhammad ali biography thomas hauser. i want to ask you about muhammad ali's famous poetry, his mouth, his taunting, was that an act or was that a part of his character? >> you know, part was -- gorgeous george was sort of his model. but it became part of him. one of the famous things even in the street, he was talking about early -- lot of people called him by his name. gave him hard time when he was on the mat he was -- what's my name? that almost became in the street where we are playing around, wrestling people, throwing them down, that became sort of the thing like, what's my name? what's my name? that went completely against the

orthodox of what was supposed to be sportsmanship at that time. i think it was an act to the extent it was show business, but it also came out of the style which really to me helped define the young, black community. >> dickerson: thomas, when muhammad ali has the clash over vietnam how did he come back to become the boxing hero, the legend he was at the end of his boxing career? >> people began to root for muhammad very early on. in the liberal community and also segments of the black community. after he came back from the excite i'll, a number of people looked at muhammad said, well, we don't necessarily agree with his principles but he lived up for them, he sacrificed a lot for them. also the nation turned against the war in vietnam, people began to think well, maybe muhammad was right about this one. it's also worth noting that

muhammad sacrificed a lot he said many times, look, young men who believe that this war is right. they went to vietnam, they fought, they were killed. and they sacrificed a lot more than i did. >> dickerson: you think of ali you think of ali and frazier, the twin people together. but again frazier returned to his boxing club by the railroad tracks, two very different courses in life. >> that was very interesting, too. the black community is complex. there are a lot of ways to be black. lot of ways to be black, what ali stood for is at the end of the day it's about defending black people. caring for black people. fighting for black people. i think the thing that is going to live on for me in the spirit

of ali lives, early on, he said, listen, you live in a country of freaks they're going to throw a lot of trinkets, there is so much wealth, you choose between wealth and principle. and to have somebody who you admire so much at an early age tell you about the essence of this country, that as you grow up they're going to throw a lot of wealth at you. and you got to make a choice, it's going to be the belt or principle. >> dickerson: thomas, final question about muhammad ali with parkinson's the final stage of his life, tell us about that stage? >> it was sad to watch, a long, sad goodbye. i can't think of a parallel, really, for 30 years the whole world watched this man become more and more debilitated. he did it very publicly. what's happening now is a time of mourning is moving into a time of celebration. so to everybody who loved ali, i would say, don't cry because

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34%. in california there is a much closer race, bernie sanders has closed the gap and is now only two points down with clinton at 49 and sanders at 47%. we turn now to democratic strategist and cnn senior political consultant david axelrod. on tuesday hillary clinton is going to lock things up but bernie sanders says there is going to be a contested convention. explain how those two things can happen and what that means? >> i think we need a little reality check here. she needs about 60 delegates to clinch the nomination, there are 781 at stake in the next few days. so, she will probably -- she will almost certainly clinch the nomination before the polls close in california. make that have

switch? >> well, i thought it was prudent when she made the first comment, obviously you can't deal with donald trump by ignoring him. he insists that you not ignore him. and one of the mistakes republicans made in the primaries was, they didn't take him on vigorously from the start. she clearly can't make that

mistake. thursday was probably her best day in the whole campaign. first of all that's her event standing in front of those flags, giving a very sober speech as she did is what she feels comfortable with. but secondly it was a very lacerating speech. provoked the kind of response that almost reinforced the point she was trying to make which is, temperamentally donald trump isn't suited for the presidency. for trump, the challenge is, can he change in any bay. and demonstrate to people that he has that element of discipline that's necessary when you're in a job that involves mortal power. >> dickerson: she also suggested donald trump likes to throw up shiny objects when he doesn't want to talk about something else. she obviously doesn't want to talk about inspector general reports, the bad reviews to the answers to the in speck tore general's report. should we read anything into that that was her own shiny object? >> i think this is her core

case. anybody who would be running against donald trump would make the same case. there's no doubt that the e-mail situation continues to nag at her. i think it was very damaging and i think it was poor judgment as she and others have acknowledged. she hasn't handled it particularly well. but her hope is and expectation is that it will pass. but for her setting up the stark contrast is absolutely essential in part because she wants to make that case for voters but in part because every time she does it she draws a response officer trump that only reinforces her case. >> dickerson: is this a shot in the arm for democrats? there were some people worried about the clinton campaign. >> my soundings around the country were such that, democrats were disspirited by the campaign that she had run to date. it seemed a little flat. she seemed more restrained. this speech was a shot of adrenaline for her.

my guess is it may help her tuesday in the california primary. this is what a lot of democrats were hoping to see. >> dickerson: all right. david axelrod. thanks for being here. >> thanks, john. dickerson: we'll be right back with our panel. ,,,,,,,,,,,,

>> dickerson: joining us now for political analysis is "usa today's" washington bureau economy, susan page. chief washington correspondent for the "washington post," dan balz. plus national editor of the "cook political report," amy walter and executive editor of the national review, reihan salam. reihan, let me start with you. how much of big deal are donald trump's comments and -- he's not backing down on the question of the judge. new england said it was huge mistake to hold this position, does it matter? >> it's hard to say because what donald trump does and as he did in his interview with you, he will take one of your questions, he won't exactly answer it. he will take words that you brought up in your question and he will say them again and again without actually addressing the substance of your question. and the reason he does that is to make it appear as though he's

responding, frankly that's been decently effective so far. he doesn't address the actual charge. the question is, do people actually believe that he's bigoted or not. much of the country already does, they will accept that this reinforces that view. if they simply don't believe it. he's basically a decent guy who is being hounded by the media in unfairway they will believe that. he recognizes that uncertainty and he plays to it. >> dickerson: dan, what do you make of -- speaker paul ryan spoke out about in opposition after having just endorsed donald trump, you got speaker paul ryan, newt glick griffin, senator flake, where does this leave things? >> john, it's almost the classic example of what we've seen throughout the entire year. things he does and says give terrible heart bush to republican establishment people. over the last months since he effectively became the nominee, more and more have in one way or another said i will be for him in november.

yet he does these things and they react. their concern is that it's going to cost him the presidency and it's going to cost the party. both short term and long term. but we've also seen there is another audience out there that responds in a different way to that. i think you always have to be careful about predicting just how bad something that seems bad is going to be. >> dickerson: that's right. amy, the audience dan is talking about is the common sense argument, we get all wound up, get spun up about just let's have some common sense in washington that's the pitch donald trump is making. >> hard to make that pitch. this is the whole point whichs what we should really be talking about today if you were the republicans, the trump campaign is, the terrible jobs report that came out on friday that should be the enthey're focus of this. we have an economy that has not recovered for a whole lot of people, who are attracted to donald trump who says i'm going to bring jobs back. that would have been a message this would break through, i think to, a whole bunch of people.

instead what we're talking about are all of these things that seem to have nothing to do with jobs are going to come back or the economy is going to recover. the other thing that's remarkable i, i went back, went through the 2013 autopsy that the republican party did after their loss in 2012. and literally everything he's doing right now is the opposite of what republicans thought the next presidential candidate need to do. specifically on tone. it wasn't just he needs to come out and support immigration, do better with these groups. if we have a tone that suggests that we don't like these people, it doesn't matter who our policies are. when trump says i'm going to bring jobs back, it doesn't mat what i say about walls or mexicans not being able to take my case. that's exactly the opposite of what they learned from the last time. jed yet republicans are lining up smartly behind donald trump despite the tone. not just paul ryan.

it's marco rubio, you look at the distance some have travel. rick perry called him a cancer now he's saying he's wonderful. they are in a sense, people have written this, they are basically affirming everything he said about them how quickly politicians will fishtail to get to the right place. the republican party is getting behind this candidate. >> i think senior republicans decided didn't have an alternative. he had won the nomination, he's going to be nominated at the convention. i think one thing we're seeing is a battle for the post trump g.o.p. that's why you see them come out say, i'm going to -- paul ryan among them, i'm going to endorse them. but i have totally different vision on all these issues like immigration or the muslim judge or the mexican judge or the muslim ban. because they want to define -- want alternative vision of the republican party to offer once this election is over. that is on the assumption that trump is going to lose. because winning the nomination

is is a different electorate than they face now in the general election. this is a much more diverse electorate. it's a much younger electorate. people who are going to be quite concerned, voters not just believe, voters are concerned about the positions that he's taking. >> there's a version of what trump is saying, even actually when he's talking about nuclear proliferation, there's a version of what he's saying that is in my view sensible. he does not make that case. time and again rather than making affirmative case for his views on immigration and trade n talking about his personal business affairs. when you're looking, there is this jockeying, what are we do now that we know the republican party has changed in this meaningful, material way. you see some smart people like tom, senator from arkansas, looking around the bend he's trying to be very cautious. being a good solder for trump and recognizing this national constituency, how do i speak to it in a coherent and defensible

way. that is all going to happen after trump, because frankly trump because of his obsession with his own personal business affairs, rather than really laying out a distinctive ideological direction for the republican party, he's actually not making that case. >> i wanted to pick up on something that amy said about the economic situation. if you look what donald trump has done since he became the presumptive nominee, almost entirely been backward looking. it is not forward looking. he's settling old scores. he can't let go of things that still bother him from his successful campaign for the nomination. he needs to be reaching to a different audience. that message on jobs is something that would reach people who might not necessarily have been for him or were still on the fence. but instead he's ignoring that part of the electorate that he really would need to become president. >> dickerson: amy, what do you make of hillary clinton's speech this week? is this a change in strategys this what we're in for for the

next many months? >> well, campaigns are pretty simple, right? choice between this or that. now, againn is an election that on its face should be election that republicans should win. a choice of going in the same direction that this president has been going in for the last eight years, many americans saying we want to take a different direction. however, what she's saying that direction is going to be led by donald trump who is unstable and is going to lead us into more trouble. so the change is too dangerous. it's better to be stable than it is to have change. and that is really the only way i think that she wins an election in a time when people are saying they want change more than anything. >> one opportunity that trump has in a funny way is that in theory at least, he could run to hillary clinton's right as well as to his left. and so, if you're a democrat that campaign you're used to running is a grind it out, this

person is right wing extremist, there is certainly some reason to believe that with donald trump. the trouble is that he wears those positions so lightly. he abandoneds them. when you go in the route that she's taking now, in the speech that she made thursday by saying that he's dangerous, by saying, this guy attacked ronald reagan in the '80s. it's very interesting it lowers the temperature on the left-right ideological contest saying to a lot of independents who have lots of doubts about her and barack obama, it's very simple. might find one thing or another that he says interesting or appealing but then there are seven other things that are less so. i've got to say, i wonder if she's going to stick with this overtime. i wonder if donald trump maybe be able to reach out to some of that, but i think that is the danger. but at this point right now donald trump's obsession with himself and with his own business affairs and his own past makes it very hard to see him breaking out of that dynamic. actually reaching out to the left wing voters that maybe

could deliver him the election in some strange world. >> but pity the voter. pity the americans. she should go to jail for stupidity which is a hard standard. she says he's unstable, leave it to the psychiatrists to talk about why he's so drawn to tyrants. and one thing he said in your interview i thought was interesting, she was supposed to give a foreign policy speech she gave a trump speech, that is true. she gave a speech that was devoted to savaging trump in a really effective way. is this a campaign that turns totally on other person is even more unacceptable than i am with no serious discussion about some of the big challenges in american's own lives? >> dickerson: i think that's right. also because she was trying to not talk about e-mails which is another topic. >> she was trying not to talk, too, again, his response to her speech should have been, her decisions that she's made and that obama administration has

made have not made us safer. went through litany of issues, instead it was back on all these other things. >> dickerson: let's switch to democrats here at the end. dan, bernie sanders said there's going to be a contested convention, what does that mean? >> i don't know what that means, john. i think we'll have to wait until we get through tuesday night to see how senator sanders actually responds to a conclusion. if there is a dc primary after that for all practical purposes it's over tuesday night. she will have more votes, more superdelegates, more states won, she will have one across the board. going to try to make an argument. the questions does he persist in that? does he carry that fight forward? if he does it's going to be messy in philadelphia. >> i'm looking for president obama and what he does right after this primary is over. i think it's not necessarily happen tuesday or wednesday but when all the votes are tallied, all the delegates comes out does president obama come out say, good job, hillary clinton is our

nominee and that i think helps move the dialogue in a different direction. >> does senator sanders respond to that? >> the results in california matter. it's just a two-point race we know it's close but it matters not in terms of who gets nomination, matters on the tone at the end of these contests. and what the context is for trying to get bernie sanders to endorse. >> i say bank has already won because barack obama said we should increase social security payments for everybody and this is a good and sepsible policy, he would not have said that a year ago, two years ago. certainly not seven years ago. that is a very big deal. >> dickerson: why a big deal? that obama came out? >> the big deal that barack obama impute evacuated the centrist, and embraced a central plank of the bernie sanders campaign he sees where the future is for the democratic party. whether or not he could defend that position to the barack owe bama three or four years ago i can't say but he sees where the

window is blowing. >> dickerson: in terms of good government not what your toddler says for all of us. we'll be back in a moment.

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some of the news has felt too real. the terrorism in charleston, paris, san bernadino and brussels. awful news to report, but also stories of courage and grit and amazing grace. ♪ [ cheering and applause ] ♪ how sweet the sound >> dickerson: a host has license to ask questions, but it's your questions in airports or diners or wherever we're rush can that renew that license. your thoughts, your concerns about the world and even the stories of how and where you watch "face the nation" remind us of the place you give us in your life. and of our obligation. we're grateful. to my cbs colleagues who let me be the public face of the show,

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