>> dickerson: today on "face the nation," we'll talk about what it takes to be president with the man who is one. the republicans have moved off stage, and the democrats are gearing up for their big show in philadelphia. as the general election officially begins, we'll talk to the president about the skills actually needed for the job hillary clinton and donald trump are auditioning for. what should voters be looking for in the candidates seeking the nation's highest office? we'll have a preview of scott pelley's "60 minutes" interview with the new democratic team. plus we'll have analysis of last week's republican convention in cleveland and look ahead to the challenges facing democrats at their convention. it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to "face the captioning sponsored by cbs

just hours after their formal announcement, hillary clinton and her running mate tim kaine sat down with scott pelley for a wide-ranging interview that will air on tonight's "60 minutes." here's a preview. >> pelley: he calls you crooked hillary. what do you call him? >> i don't call him anything. and i'm not going to engage in that kind of insult fest that he seems to thrive on. so whatever he says about me, he's perfectly free to use up his own air time and his own space to do. i'm going to talk about what he's done, how he has hurt people in business time after time after time, the small businesses, the contractors, the workmen and women who he refused to pay after they rendered services, the total disregard that he has shown toward large groups of people in our country,

his vicious language against immigrants, his insulting a distinguished federal judge of mexican heritage, his mocking a person with a disability, his really inflammatory language about muslims, about american muslims, about muslims all over the world, his demeaning comments about women. i'm going to respond to what he has said that i think is so fundamentally at odds with who we are as a nation, where we need to be heading in the future, and the kind of dangerous, risky leadership that he's promising. >> i don't want to... she's done a good job of letting the water go off her back on this. that's not the way i feel. when i see this, you know, "crooked hillary" or i see the "lock her up," it's just ridiculous. it is ridiculous. it is beneath the character of

the kind of dialogue we should have, because we have real serious problems to solve, and most of us stopped the name-calling around first grade. >> dickerson: scott pelley's interview with the democratic ticket will air at 7:00 p.m. on tonight's "60 minutes." on friday, we sat down with the man hillary clinton hopes to replace and talked about donald trump, race in america, and the skills either candidate will need to be an effective president. mr. president, when donald trump spoke to his convention, he talked about the security threat. he painted a very dark picture. now there's been a terrorist attack in germany. >> right. >> dickerson: doesn't that suggest he's right about the darkness? >> no, it doesn't. terrorism is a real threat. nobody knows that better than me. i've been spending most of my days over the last seven and a half years coordinating our intelligence, our military, our diplomatic efforts to crush organizations like al qaeda and now isil. it is going to be an ongoing

threat for some time, but what we've been able to do i think is to build coalitions with other countries to make sure that rather than have 180,000 troops overseas fighting a non-state actor that we've got special forces and intelligence assets and local partners, and isil is being defeated in syria and iraq. but we're going to have circumstances in which small cells, individuals are going to be able to do some harm to innocent people. and we've got to do everything we can to prevent it. one of the best ways of preventing it is making sure that we don't divide our own country, that we don't succumb to fear, that we don't sacrifice our values and that we send a very strong signal to the world

and to every american citizen that we're in this together. >> dickerson: explain how we would sacrifice our values specifically by being divided. >> look, if we start engaging in the kinds of proposals that we've heard from mr. trump or some of his surrogates like mr. mr. gingrich where they're started suggesting we would apply religious tests to who could come in here, that we are screening muslim-americans differently than we would others, then we are betraying that very thing that makes america exceptional, and, by the way, has helped to insulate us from some of the worst, you know, patterns of terrorist attacks because the muslim-american community here feels deeply american and deeply committed to upholding the rule of law and working with law

enforcement and rejecting intolerance and extremism that's represented by the perversions of islam that isil is sending out to the internet or carrying out in the middle east. but that requires leaders, political leaders, religious leaders, business leaders, all of us to send a very clear signal that we are not going to be divided in that fashion, and i think the kinds of rhetoric that we've heard too often from mr. trump and others is ultimately helping do isil's work for us. >> dickerson: he was the chief birther in america, questioning whether or not you were... what's your reaction that he's the nominee of the republican

party? >> i think it says something about what's happened to the republican party over the course of the last eight, ten, 15 years. if you think about what a bob dole or a jim baker or a howard baker or a dick lugar or a colin powell stood for, they were conservative. they were concerned about limited government and balancing budgets and making sure we had a strong defense. but they also understood that our system of government requires compromise, that democrats weren't the enemy, that the way our government works requires us to listen to each other. and that's not the kind of politics that we've seen practiced i think all too often. >> dickerson: do you think the

majority of the american people feel safe, that the world is safer? >> i think right now we've gone through a really tough month, and that happens sometimes. we've had a terrorist attack in orlando, although it does not appear externally motivated, but a deranged man killing scores of people. we've had the tragedies that happened in minnesota and baton rouge, police officers targeted both in dallas and baton rouge, and the senseless violence that took place in nice. and if that's what you're consuming, that's what you're seeing on a day-to-day basis for the last month, i think it's understandable that people are concerned. what i think is important for leaders to do is to let the american people know they are right to be concerned.

they have to make sure that our police officers are protected in a very tough job, that our criminal justice system operates the way it should and without bias, that we're doing everything we can to go after terrorists. but it's also important for the american people to remember that our crime rate in this country is much lower than it was in the '80s or the '90s or when i first took office. immigration are substantially lower than they were when ronald reagan was president. as serious as these terrorist attacks are, the fact of the matter is that the american people are significantly more safe now than they were before all the work that we've done since 9/11. so maintaining that perspective i think is absolutely critical, and trying to fan fears simply

to score political points i think is not in the best interest of the american people. >> dickerson: you had a very strong reaction to donald trump's criticism of you for not using the phrase "radical islam." >> mmm. >> dickerson: in 2008 when you were a candidate for president, you did use the term "radical islam." why did you stop? >> this is an interesting example of where something that shouldn't be an issue gets magnified. the fact of the matter is that i've never been politically or particularly concerned with the phrase. what i've been more concerned about is how do we stop violent extremists from killing us. the reason that i haven't used the particular phrase "radical islam" on a regular basis is because in talking to muslim allies, in talking to the muslim-american community here, that was being heard as if we

were ascribing to crazy groups like isil or al qaeda the mantle of islam. and since we need them as allies, i think it's useful for us to listen to how the president of the united states words and messages are being received, because if we're going to defeat those organizations, we need help from the billion-plus muslims in this world so that they can help root out this perversion of islam that's taking place. >> dickerson: speaking of allies, donald trump had a response and a view about nato. he said when the baltic nations were attacked that he might not defend unless they were paying their dues. now, you've talked about free riders, countries that rely on u.s. defense without pulling their share. so why aren't those similar thoughts if not playing out a

little differently, but... >> well, i think that anybody who has been paying attention knows there is a big difference between challenging our european allies to keep up their defense spending, particularly at a time when russia has been more aggressive, and saying to them, you know what, we might not abide by the central tenet of the most important alliance in the history of the world, one that was built by democrats and republicans and has been a cornerstone of u.s. foreign policy since the end of world war ii. for mr. trump, who has in the past suggested that america's weak and not looking out for its allies, to then maybe not have enough information or understand ing to go out and say

that america might not stand by its solemn commitment to protect those same allies who stood with us after 9/11 when we were attacked i think is an indication of the lack of preparedness that he's been displaying when it comes to foreign policy. >> dickerson: switching topics to talk about race in america, you wrote a book about race and identity in america. if you were a young man now growing up in america, how would that book be different? >> well, you know, it's a great question. in some ways i'm able to see it through the eyes of my daughters. now, obviously they have a unique circumstance having grown up in the white house, so they're in no way typical of black kids or latino kids, other ethnic minorities around the

country, but in some ways i'd be more optimistic. i look at the way in which my daughters take for granted their right to aspire to anything, and i think about the way in their interactions with their white friends, they have a common culture and a common language and common perspectives that were far more segregated even when i was growing up, and that wasn't that long ago. so in a lot of ways i would feel more hopeful. ironically, i think precisely because things have gotten better, what i've heard from younger african-americans is more shock about the images and the videos from minnesota or

baton rouge. and what i've had to say to them is that, you know, these issues are not new. they've been there and come up periodically for quite some time. what's new is smartphones and videos and this actually gives us a greater opportunity to try to tackle these problems. >> dickerson: president obama discusses his relationship with hillary clinton when we come back. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise, mary's data could be under attack. with the help of at&t, and security that senses and mitigates cyber threats, their critical data is safer than ever. giving them the agility to be open & secure. because no one knows & like at&t.

>> dickerson: i want to talk to you about the skills it takes to be president. >> yeah. >> dickerson: in about 72 hours recently, you had to grieve in dallas with the families of the five police officers, you had to monitor a terrorist attack in nice, you also had to monitor a coup attempt and then what people are calling a purge in turkey. given that that's what a president has to deal with, what attributes should we be looking for in the candidates who are running for president the handle

those kinds of days? >> let's start off with the fact that i'm biased. >> dickerson: sure. but you're a man of reason. so you will be able to make the case for... >> i'll try to be as objective as i can. and i've thought about this. you know, the first thing i think the american people should be looking for is somebody that can build a team and create a culture that knows how to organize and move the ball down the field. and the reason for that is because no matter how good you are as president, you are overseeing two million people and a trillion dollar-plus budget, the largest organization on earth. you can't do it all by yourself. so you are reliant on really

talented, hard-working, skilled people and making sure they're all moving in the same direction and doing it without drama and not worrying as much about who is getting credit and creating all those good habits inside of an organization that i think are critical. the second thing i think a president needs is a sense of discipline, personal discipline in terms of doing your homework and knowing your subject matter and being able to stay focused, helping to make sure the team in the white house is disciplined, because you are responding constantly to unexpected events, and you've got to be able to just work those through and rapid, effective fashion, but also not lose track of your overall goals.

the third is you need vision about where you want to take the country, and you have to know ahead of time enough about the economy and foreign policy and american history and, you know, our system of government so that when you stake out a vision that we need more economic equality in this country, you're just not making assertions, you're actually able to drive policy forward to achieve the vision. and then the final thing is you have to really care about the american people, not in the abstract, not as boilerplate, but you have to really every

single day want to do your best for them, because if you don't have that grounding you, you will be buffeted and blown back and forth by polls and interest groups and voices whispering in your head and you will lose your center of gravity. you will lose your moral compass. but if you really are here because, man, i want the make sure that woman who is working really hard and getting paid a decent wage, i rally want that family with a sick kid to make sure they're not losing their home. then even when things go bad, and there are going to be times when things go bad in this job, you have a frame of reference. you know why you're doing it, and that means also that you with push through and do some things that may not be

politically popular initially. >> dickerson: in 2008, a lot of your supporters say, look at the way he ran his campaign. if he runs the presidency like he ran his campaign, he's going to be in good shape. why isn't that true for donald trump, who has run a pretty remarkable campaign, beating 16 other politicians? >> well, in 2008 i don't think they were referring merely to the fact that i had won. i think they were referring to the fact that we built a really good team. we were really well organized. we had a great culture that there was no whiff of scandal to how we approached getting elected. we told the truth. so there were a bunch of things that hopefully showed the kind of white house i'd run, and i think we've been pretty consistent in doing that. i do think that the body of work of a person matters, and i would

say that, and i've said this before andly say it -- and i will say it again since you opened this line of questioning: i generally believe there has never been a candidate better prepared for the presidency than hillary clinton. >> dickerson: not eisenhower, not george herbert walker bush? >> i said "more prepared." i didn't say they were, you know, chopped liver. i mean, you know, heading up the allied forces is pretty good training for the presidency, and i'm huge admirers of both eisenhower and herbert walker bush, in fact, i think that george h.w. bush is one of the most underrated presidents we've had and i think he is a really good man, but the skill sets that hillary has are similar to

many of the skill sets that they had, experience in government, experience in working with a wide range of people, solving big, difficult problems, familiarity with the world. you know, the truth is that hillary and i have become friends, but we're not bosom buddies. we don't go vacationing together. i think i have a pretty clear sense of both her strengths and her weaknesses, and what i would say would be that this is somebody that knows as much about domestic and foreign policy as anybody, is tough as nails, is motivated by what's best for america and ordinary

people, understands that in this democracy that we have, thingsis don't always happen as fast as we'd like and it requires compromise and grinding it out. she's not always flashy, and there are better speech makers, but she knows her stuff. and more than anything, that is what is ultimately required to do a good job in this office. >> dickerson: we'll have more of our interview in our next half hour. stay with us. a wild "what-if." so scientists went to work. they examined 87 different protein structures and worked for 12 long years. there were thousands of patient volunteers and the hope of millions. and so after it became a medicine, someone who couldn't be cured, could be. me.

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>> dickerson: welcome back the "face the nation." we continue our conversation with president obama, picking up where we left off, talking about hillary clinton. you built a team at the beginning, and you were really clear about transparency. you were going to change the white house and be transparent. she set up an e-mail server that was neither in the spirit of the letter of that transparency. that's no small thing given what you told everybody about transparency at the beginning. >> right. and i think she would acknowledge she made a mistake, but what i also think is true is that if you've been in the public eye for decades at if highest levels of scrutiny, folks are going the find some mistakes you make. i've made mistakes. i don't know any president or

public official at her level who aren't going the look back and say, i should have done something like that differently, but what i would also say is that the consistency with which she has devoted her life to trying to make sure that kids get health care and a good education and that families are getting a fair break if they're working hard and that america upholds its best traditions of foreign policy, on the big stuff, she's gotten it right. >> dickerson: but if you make mistakes, you have to admit them quick and come clean. >> well... >> dickerson: you said that about the reverend wright. you said afterward, you know what we've learned, we have to get this done. >> ultimately government is a human enterprise. none of us are perfect, and this job by definition, leader of the free world, president of the united states of america, the

most powerful country and wealthiest country and most influential country in the history of the world, it's a big job, and it has gotten more and more complicated. and the speed and the pace at which you're moving is different. and if you think about now that we know our history about the errors of even our greatest presidents, of f.d.r. or j.f.k. or ronald reagan or harry truman, then what you realize is that ultimately each of us who occupy this office, including me, are going to in some ways, in some areas fall short of the idea. and i promise you, if you occupy this job long enough, you're acutely aware of it. you're painfully aware of it.

there isn't a day where i don't say the myself, i wish i could have done this just a little better. i wish i could explain to the american people this issue just a little bit more effectively. i wish that i had some perfect scheme that could bring about an end to the crisis in syria quicker because i'm seeing the consequences of events that are unfolding all around the world, but what keeps you going is the fact that you're doing your best, that you are... you have put together a team of people that could not be working harder or be smarter or more effective, and what you also know is at the end of the day our democracy works because it's not reliant just on one person, but it's a

process of self-government where we're all involved in making things a little bit better. >> dickerson: f.d.r. and listen con -- lincoln were both talented at letting both sides of an issue thinking that they agreed with them. is honesty overrated as a presidential quality? >> it's interesting. i actually think that honesty is not overrated. i think it is absolutely necessary, because the trust you have with the american people is currency that can get depleted. and it's hard to build back up. what i also believe, though, is that the issues we deal with are so complicated and trying to move all the pieces together, the move this huge ocean liner that is the u.s. government, means that sometimes holding

your tongue, sometimes letting things play themselves out, knowing not just when to act but also when to hold back and see how things are playing out so that you can pick and choose the time to do what needs to be done because the moment may not be ripe yet, you know, those things i think are a matter of feel, you know. lincoln and f.d.r. with masters at it. i'm not in their league, but hopefully after seven and a half years i've gotten a little better at it. >> dickerson: what's the one piece of advice that your predecessor gave you that worked, that was really useful? >> well, first of all, george w. bush, despite obviously very different political philosophies, is a really good man and has been very gracious to me and laura has been gracious to michelle.

the whole family has been terrific. probably two useful pieces of advice. the first piece of advice was trust yourself and know that ultimately, regardless of the day-to-day news cycles and the noise that the american people need their president to succeed, regardless of political party, which i thought was very generous. the second piece of advice is always use purell hand sanitizer, because if you don't, you're going to get a lot of colds because you shake a lot of hands. >> dickerson: news you can use. >> thanks. i enjoyed it. >> dickerson: we also visited the oval office while we were at the white house friday. that's coming up.

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some fresh legs come in i think is really important. i feel as if i'm a better president than i've ever been, that the experience has made me sharper, clearer about how to get stuff done. my team is operating at a peak level and, you know, we're really proud of what we've been doing, and we're going to run through the tape. but i also think it's really important for self-governance and democracy that we go through this process and i'm able to turn over the keys. >> dickerson: do you walk in here and think, another day has gone off the calendar, the days are dwindling, we have to move fast because time is passing. >> there is a strong sense of urgency, and i have no doubt that on the last day as i'm leaving this office for the

final time that there's going to be some melancholy and nostalgia, particularly about the people that i have worked with here, but, frankly, on a day-to-day basis, you're so busy, you don't have a lot of time for that kind of reflection. i think that comes when you're gone. >> dickerson: on the last day, what are you going to do? are you going the look at the remington? are you going to look at the hop center the emancipation proclamation is not here. >> that's not here any longer. i will tell you that i will probably look at the carpet because i still remember it took us a couple years to actually get the thing in. we didn't want to remodel in the middle of a recession, even though that's the tradition, but i still remember thinking about those quotes from teddy roosevelt and j.f.k. and martin luther king. i'll probably wonder whether i

did everything i could to stay true to those quotes, and hopefully i'll be able to say yes. >> dickerson: do you feel that's true in the martin luther king quote, which i believe was in your acceptance speech on election night in chicago. >> right. >> dickerson: is that quote true during the time you've been president? >> yes. >> dickerson: remind people about that quoted. >> the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. i believe that it does. one of the things i always stem cell my staff is that -- i always tell my staff is that we're here for such a short time in history, and we never are going to get done everything we believe should get done. in that sense we're relay runners, and we this our part, we run a good race, but even during this eight-year period, this eight-year stretch, which in human history is the blink of

an eye, 20 million people have health insurance that didn't have it before. same-sex couples can get married in all 50 states. you know, families who saw their loved ones struck down on 9/11 know that justice was done to bin laden. companies and families are more financially secure because we didn't go into another great depression. and the cumulation of work that we've done moved the needle. it didn't revolutionize the country, but it bent that arc. and my job is to make sure that when i leave this place america is a little bit better off, and it will be up to the next person to continue that process, and

i'll have a role to play as a citizen to making sure that that arc keeps bending toward justice, because it doesn't do it on our own. >> pelley: and we'll be right back with our political family.

>> dickerson: we're back with some political analysis. jamelle bouie is the chief political correspondent for "slate" magazine. he's also a cbs news political analyst. ramesh ponnuru is the senior editor of the national review. nancy cordes covers the democrats for us here at cbs, and ron brownstein is an editorial director atlantic media. our new battleground tracker poll shows a two-point bounce for donald trump in the 11 battleground states following his convention. the change comes almost entirely from a handful of those republican voters who went in the convention as undecided, not from a conversion of voters previously with clinton. clinton's support remains the same despite so much of the convention's focus on her. ron, i want the start with you. what did donald trump get out of his convention? who did he pick up? who did he appeal to? >> i think those results make sense to those of us who were there. i think the convention burnished

him as a strong leader to get things done. i think that was effective over the course of the week. but the tone and the message was ominous. it was confrontational. it was divisive. if you look at polling, what he was talking about in the final speech, the echo of richard nixon's "fire into the night" pretty much reflects the view of trump voters who are more likely to feel they're the victim of violent crime or terrorism, more likely to say america was better 50 years ago, but if you're a moderate suburban white collar voter who worried donald trump was too divisive going in, there was nothing that made you less worried and probably things that made you more worried. the most conspicuous weakness for donald trump is he is significantly underperforming among college educated whites, suburban voters, the time of voters that tim kaine is most precisely aimed at. >> dickerson: there was a lot of hillary clinton at this convention, nancy, a lot of attacks. was there a central theme that emerged or just a blast at clinton? >> i think the central theme was she's a criminal.

i heard as many chants of "lock her up" as i did of "u-s-a, u-s-a." the question, as ron points out, does that get a huge response in the country? you can see it going either way. you could see those independent white suburban voters saying, you know, that goes too far. this woman has not been indicted of anything. and you could see others, you know, hearing that message over and over again and having it feed into a view that many people already have that perhaps she's not as honest as she could be, and that may burnish the case. >> the quicken loans arena did sometimes have the feeling of a coliseum. the thing that strikes me, people talk about how pessimistic trump's speech was, but he's pearce -- personally, of course, very optimistic, and it's not the speech of somebody who thinks he's an underdog. it's the speech of somebody who thinks he's structurally ahead. there was no attempt to pivot, to moderate to, expand the message to bring in new people. it's just the extension of the

existing message. they think they're winning this point. the polls don't suggest that. if you're one point up after your convention and before the other party's convention, i think that means you're structurally behind, but they don't. >> dickerson: did we learn anything new about donald trump? >> i don't think we learned much of anything new. i think we got clarification of what's driving a good chunk of trump's support. the thing that struck me over the course of the convention, especially on monday night and on thursday night, were the extremely heated denunciations of illegal immigrants, of radical islam, and the extent to which those messages are the ones that got people excited. people were not excited about a new policy proposal. people are not excited about during his speech trump mentioned trying to help people in other cities. that didn't get very much applause. but we don't want them here got people stomping the floor. so i think if anything this

convention has for me at least clarified what we are looking at is an ethnnationallist movement, a campaign centralized on the idea that certain categories of people that you can identify by sight are threatening to americans. >> i was on cnn yesterday with a trump supporter who complained about tim kaine talking in spanish and said, i didn't need the translator for anything at the republican convention. and then ann coulter tweeted, "interesting to hear fareed zaccaria talking about what we should be doing." 77% of trump support centers a poll said they are bothered when they hear immigrants talking in other languages. i agree. i think it was striking to me that the discussion on trade was greeted almost with silence. what you have here is an election to divide the country along cultural lines, between a coalition of transformation, which is the democratic coalition, essentially diverse

america and the portions of white america who are most comfortable with that, they tend to urban and younger and secular, and a group of restoration, more deeply religious blue collar who feel the country is evolving away from what they believe the core of america is. i think that more than nick -- income is going to be the lines we'll see in this election. >> by the way, a lot of republican leaders don't agree with the approach that you just outlined. that's why you heard so much hillary clinton talk from the podium, because they couldn't really get behind that message that donald trump is putting out there, so they had to talk instead about her. >> dickerson: and it was extraordinary to hear mitch mcconnell, the senate leader, who was booed, and paul ryan receive very tepid applause. and trump never mentioned he would work with congress. ramesh, ted cruz came on stage, said vote your conscience, he was booed off the stage. now that this is sorted out a

few days, does this matter? is this just about ted cruz? does this have any larger point about unity? >> i think it does matter. it certainly matters for the future of senator cruz, who i should note is an old friend of mine, but i think it also matters for the trump campaign, and it's not so much that senator cruz made a blow against republican unity, although he did, it's that trump has compounded that blow by continuing to obsess about it. he has said more remarkable things about ted cruz in an attack on him than about hillary clinton since his convention ended. that's really an amazing thing. he is broadcasting his lack of self-control and his pettiness in a way that's unusual for major party nominee. >> dickerson: we should switch to the democrats or we'll run out. so tim kaine is picked, counter-programming yesterday to the republican convention, wasn't it? >> right. not just in terms of sort of tim

kaine is a, you know, very... most people say he's a very professional kind of guy, very down the line, very... no surprises with tim kaine. but also his coming out speech was very positive and very optimistic and very much sort of a statement i think of purpose for the clinton campaign. we are going to run a campaign focused on unity, focused on sort of showcasing the best of the country and not trying to scare people. i will say that there was some unhappiness on the left with the kaine choice, in part because of kaine's stance on abortion, he's personally anti-abortion as governor of virginia and supported minor measures that were favored by pro-life virginnians, but otherwise he's a pro-choice politician. >> the clinton campaign pushed back immediately. they knew that would be a criticism. they put out basically his record card from all of these

progressive groups like planned parenthood and the human rights campaign saying, he's got 100% voting record with these people. i think the biggest news to come out of that speech yesterday was that tim kaine is not boring. he did a masterful job of lowering expectations, but that was one of the strongest speeches that we have seen on the campaign trail, and i think he's got the smile on his face all the time, what he's known for in the senate. he's a pretty upbeat guy. and it kind of lent an air of sunniness to a campaign that has really been missing it. >> dickerson: if you're a bernie sanders supporter hard core, it's a tough 72 hours. the wikileaks showing that the democratic national committee moving... it probably didn't matter that much, but it was awkward and inappropriate. but kaine himself thought i did a very good job in two respects. first, he talked about his son in the military. i have a son in the military, i can say how unspeakably proud i am. i thought that brought that out. but even more, he braided his

personal story into the modern democratic convention. he tied himself into the civil rights movement with his wife's role in desegregating schools, and he tied himself into the urban area. he's a candidate who in 2012 did even better than obama in the big suburban areas of virginia. that's future of the democratic party. >> dickerson: trying to make this a non-change ticket. the republicans are saying, these are two politicians. >> that's right. the republicans want it to be a referendum on the status quo. and i think the democrats want it to be a referendum on voting it down. i they selecting kaine, who hillary clinton was asked about his reputation as being boring, and she said, that's one of the things i love about him. and i think that's a telling remark because you want a safe, steady pair of hands if the campaign you're running is going to be about the recklessness,

impullsiveness and unfitness for office of your opponent. >> and to the point of contrast, the difference with donald trump, kaine's first sort of big thing in his career was fighting housing discrimination. he won one of the largest settlements against red lighting in american history. this comes as donald trump's first appearance on the national scene, at least in major newspapers was as a defendant in a housing discrimination suit, being sued for blocking black tenants from his buildings. so i think here you see a sly kind of not just setting up a dispositional and temperamental contrast, but sort of very much this is what we have stood for, this is what he has stood for kind of contrast. >> dickerson: we'll have the leave it there. thanks to all of you. we'll figure out what's happening after the democratic conventions. we'll be back in a moment. because safety is never being satisfied.

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>> dickerson: that's it for us today. thanks for watching. be sure to tune in tonight at 6:00 p.m. for a special hour-long edition of the evening news from the democratic national convention in philadelphia. and at 7:00 p.m., scott pelley sits down with the democratic candidates on "60 minutes." until next week, for "face the nation," i'm john dickerson. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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