good morning, welcome to mosaic. we welcome you. thanksgiving is only a few weeks away and this is a season to be thankful. i think of ann lamont in her best seller, successful bay area writer a few years ago. she had three essential prayers, health, thanks and wow. and last week she prayed every day, two prayers, help me, help me, help me, and thank you,

thank you, thank you. well, i think many of us who pray can identify with the first one because we're always praying for people, in accessory prayer we're praying for ourselves, nation and world. that is kind of a petition and help me, but we're grateful we also remember to say thank you and have an attitude of gratitude. and so i'm especially thankful for two of my colleagues and friends are here who are also friends of mosaic and we have had them before. reverend jim of lake shore baptist. >> good morning. >> great to have you. >> great to be here. >> great to have you both. say a little bit about thanksgiving and what thank you and the attitude of gratitude means to you. let us start with you, jim. >> you mentioned the prayer help me, help me, help me and thank

you, thank you, thank you, they are connected to each other. thanksgiving is often expressed in the midst of great pain. 1863 when abraham lincoln first signed the thanksgiving into a national holiday, that was in the middle of the civil war. slavery was still on the books. hard times. but still there was thank you, thank you, thank you, that we can bless god and take courage. >> that's great. great. reverend yes. >> yes, igree with you. i feel thanksgiving the two are synonymous and that we have a reason to be thankful for certain things that are occurring in our lives spiritually, physically, our families. additionally i think the other part is our giving i think in the synonymous as we are thankful we give also and who do we give to?

we give to those that we don't know. we give to those that we may only see once a year. but it is a spirit of giving. it is a day that we must be thankful but we must be cognizant of giving as well. >> excellent , excellent. are you having services this year on thanksgiving? i know that sometimes there have been joint services of colleagues in the open area. >> i'm not aware of any community-wide thanksgiving services. i know different congregations will. at lake shore we have a tuesday night bible study that week that will take on a thanksgiving theme and we're involved in a couple of giving min niece stwrees serving -- ministries giving to folks. it can unite the faith traditions and unite us in service and giving. >> are you connected with him at all?

>> yes, as you know, we're itinerant as united methodists and upon my arrival those services were no longer going on. what taylor does do a ministry called prethanksgiving. the prethanksgiving is this -- a ministry that we connect the sunday before the thursday of thanksgiving, and in that what we do is serve a full meal, traditional thanksgiving meal with turkey, ham, dressing, yams, sweet to the at any time toe pies and the cakes and we do that to who ever is hungry. last year we served 800 meals to people who are hungry and there are prayer that we double that this year. >> we'll come back to that, both of you, talking about your churches and history there. jim was there at 28 years at lake shore and you grew up at

taylor. >> correct. >> let us come back to you both. thank you for being here. join us on mosaic, these two great ministers.

welcome back to mosaic, as reverend jim hopkins and anthony jenkins. you heard a little bit about what they're doing on thanksgiving. jam mentioned during the break that lake shore served many meals also. >> lake merritt united methodist is the church that we joined together to serve thanksgiving. about 700 folks. the oakland keyanis club and a host of folks will come in. >> that is part of your ministries and you had that vision for a long time. >> yes, yes, i've transferred

the ministry of prethanksgiving from church to church, united methodist church is served and the reason that i believe god guided me into this particular ministry is because usually thursday through sunday, beginning with thanksgiving, through that sunday, there are a lot of organizations that help feed and it blesses tens of thousands of people, and so what i wanted to do was to look and say that they should be fed like this everyday, and so i moved it the sunday before, when it's usually a void of that home cooked full fledged meal. >> when i came over to oakland to see that some of the oakland churches are involved in doing the same kind of ministry. >> whether it is a meal and i know a lot of churches do thanksgiving week grocery giveaways, lake shore will give 75 turk keys and 75 bags of

groceries to different individuals and tell them to have a meal with your family, say grace and you will appreciate each other. >> you have both done something this past month. you had anniversary of your church and loss of your mother-in-law. >> my mother-in-law moved to be with us from oregon 15 months ago, was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and endured surgery and chemotherapy. went into hospice care and ultimately care under california's new end of life options act to take the end of life medication surrounded by her family saying i am not afraid of dying. she made sure before she died that she voted to say, even though i'm not going to be physically here to see this, i care about my country and my community, i want justice to be served. so thanksgiving this year will

have the overlay of celebrating her life, who she was, all she meant to us and the way she continues to live with god and to live within our hearts. >> what a witness. she was 80 years old. >> 80 years old. >> right. right. tremendous testimony. >> light of the world. >> and you had an anniversary at your church, 95 years. >> yes, last month we celebrated 95 years at the same location where 22 people came together and ironically for that time it was so different because there were 11 men and 11 women that came together collectively to begin taylor. taylor was named after a mayor of alameda, and to see us sustained ministry. they're like our personal lives,

they're roller coasters and valleys, but to have a spiritual momentum during all of that time. and during that celebration we actually all of our members that were 90 years and older we gave a special witness and celebration with gifts to including your mom. >> yeah. she was 98, and she had been a member for 73 years. so i grew up in the church like you did. i thought she was the oldest but there was one 105 and 1 that was 103. >> you both need to know that oakland is the better for the longstanding witness of taylor united methodist church. oakland is a better place because of taylor. there is just no doubt in that. >> thank you for that. thank you. >> wow. this is what ministry is. if we -- it is not ethnicity, it is not age and it is not

denomination. what we believe in, it's jesus christ and i appreciate that and i am blessed because my family joined taylor in 1942 and but what we did as far as gifts is that we gave away certificates, we gave away plaques, flowers -- >> and you had a wonderful dinner. >> and a wonderful dinner. and to be able to celebrate that with people that are 90-plus years old, it also serves as an example to us how important ministry and our spiritual integrity is, and it declares that through our actions as your mother-in-law's. >> there are always in every community, folks, that are with us now, folks that have gone before us and folks that will come after us and thanksgiving covers the breadth of those relationships that span the generations. >> that's right. >> i agree so heartedly with jim. if we look at the word

thanksgiving, and then we reverse it, giving thanks. >> and we have that cloud of witnesses who are praying for us, looking down upon us, inspiring us, all of those great examples. we'll talk more about your churches. let's go to lake shore a little bit. you have a 28-year history there. tell us a little bit about what that is like. we methodists don't have that kind of experience of staying that long. >> i love being the pastor of lake shore avenue baptist church. it gives me joy, gives me identity. we're a diverse great congregation. we're not a huge cong greg gation. i like to say we're a feisty congregation. about good news and city of oakland. prophet of jeremiah, seek the peace of the city you are in and its peace you will find your peace. we look to seeking our peace of our city as a win-win ministry. >> dr. king said the i have a

dream street and jeremiah because of the fire and jeremiah's bones he could not help but speak. so glad to hear that. >> and they cried -- and he cried for the people. amen. >> we can cry. jeremiah knew a little bit about giving thanks in the face of being beaten down. >> that's right. that's right. >> and we have another minute in this segment. you want to sea a word about taylor. reverend jim has already said it. >> yes, so taylor is involved in so many different aspects in the community. we just had a community meeting with black lives matters, some of the black police captains of oakland, professor from berkeley, ex-mayor harris and margaret gordon and some others that we come together to see how we can alleviate the tension between the black community and the police department. >> that's right. there has been tension across the country, of course, there,

and you, both of you, being reconcilers trying to bring that healing. so we'll talk more about that in the next segment. >> amen. >> thank you for being with us. come back and be with us on mosaic. thank you for joining us.

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welcome back to mosaic. we are proud to be here with these two ministers who are doing so much work in oakland. tell us a little bit more about black lives matters and jim had some perspective on that, also. >> yeah, so how i feel is that -- you're right -- the tension between the black community and the police department is around our country. and i feel that we need to have a two-pronged approach to it, the title of the forum with

accountability and responsibility. and i think that that applies to the police department and equally to the black community. i think that both communities need to look in the mirror and see how we both can be accountable and responsible. i think that there are systemic reasons as to why the black community are in the condition that they are, and it is brought about by many different veins including prejudice and entitlement and it has rained down unfortunately upon the black community. i also feel the black community since maybe we left the south, that we uprooted the fact that maybe we do need a village and we should be looking at how we can be more responsible as parents and as community. not alleviating the responsibility of the prejudice that emanates in some police officers. i have a saying that no matter what community you serve in, there is good and there is bad.

>> including in pastors. >> that's right. >> so we have to look to make sure we joan general ooifrs and cast stones at everyone where stones don't belong. >> thank you for that insight. jim, you have one of the most diverse churches in oakland. lake shore has that whole background. tell us about what you see and your perspective. >> i'm saying amen to everything anthony is saying. every other month at lake shore we have a ministry called stand and sing for justice where we after church we gather in the park across the street and we just stand and sing for justice. and what we mean by that is procedural justice that the community be treated well by the police department that is called to protect and serve it. we want good training there. we want good relations there. and we also are very involved in

a program called cease fire, where young men are at risk of being victims or victims of violence are invited to sit at the table with community leaders, with police officers, clergy, young brothers we have failed you in a lot of way s but some of your actions of carrying the guns right now, that is not helping, either. put down the guns and come back into the community and let us talk about jobs, education and hope. >> there is a lot of people that care about oakland. when i was there pastor taylor, the four officers that were killed, and father jason was the one who led the service. must have been thousands of us there. >> jason is a pastor store to the community. >> amen. so all of us came from all walks of life, we felt the hurt and pain of those officers being killed. so people have to understand we care. as reverend anthony said, there is good and bad in everyone and we want to bring about unity and

hope and reconciliation as a white pastor one of the thing i try to resist saying is that all lives matter. i get that philosophically but the fire department doesn't say all houses matter. they worry about the house that is burning down. and we need to pay attention to that. >> that is great insight. well you have said a lot about oakland. who would want to go to oakland? what is oakland really like? being away from about seven years now i think of the housing, i think of the sometimes the crime and we get this perspective and yet there is a lot of things going on dynamic. and then i don't know what is going to happen. you guys might lose the raiders. >> oakland is a very diverse city and it has so many rich

things to offer in the way of museums and the way of arts. it is history -- its history is so rich when we look at the different things that have happened and emanated from oakland. and when you look at the diversity and the places that you have to go. look at where jack london square is, lake merritt, the beautiful mormon temple, the artifacts, the buildings you can go and see there. but the people, it's like -- i was sharing kind of about the police department in oakland, when you look at oakland and you really look at the individuals, oakland has far so many more good people than tragedies that are emanating. however, agreeing with jim, the black lives do matter. great analogy concern in the fire department. >> excellent. >> yeah. the -- oakland is my home. i pastored there for 20 years, i lived there, raised my kids there. my kids are now raising my

grandkids there. we all claim it as home. it has great vibrancy and has great challenges. >> great history. we're celebrating right now 50th anniversary of the black panther party. ongoing story. none of us can say we know where it's going to go, but whether the raiders stay or go, there is going to be families, there is going to be churches and there is going to be pride. >> we're here for the 95th anniversary, one of your members gave me a medal with the history of the black panthers. that was just a precious gift. >> i'm glad you enjoyed it because as a pastor that left prior to the pastor that i came after, i insisted you got that gift because it was really meant for me. [laughter] >> we have one more segment and

it is great to have you guys here. okay. please. meet with us in our last segment here on mosaic.

we are so thankful and i think it was president john f. kennedy said that it is not enough to just be thankful with words and gestures and other words, but how we live our lives. so it is so important and i think that as we come to a close here, we want to say a few more words about what it means to be grateful. what are some of the things in your life that you're truly grateful for? you mentioned some.

>> certainly for family, for congregation, for community. i'm thankful for just this discussion today, the emphasis on giving. i'm reminded that it's thanksgiving, but it is also thanks living and to claim that identity. moment by moment even to be here at this studio, it is a great gift. >> amen. >> amen. >> i agree and i think that it's appropriate for most of us to be thankful to your god and families for reasonably good health, for colleagues that understand ministry that may be in different denominations, as i was sharing earlier, such as you and i and baptist and united methodist. and come together in agreement that as christians, while they are different denominations, the only denomination that matters is the denomination of jesus

christ. and being thankful for that, it causes us, it catapults us into giving to others. and i think it is so important to not just give during this season of thanksgiving, but to look in the mirror and see how we can give continuously throughout the year. >> i read one preacher who talked about alphabet sermon and he went through every letter and put a meaning of thanksgiving to every letter. i can't remember all that he said but he talks about a was ambiguity, which surprised me. and c was chocolate. and so he went on down the alphabet. >> i have a sign like that on my wall. i even have x, x is xarascape which is gardening in a desert landscape. >> i pray that during the season of giving thanks that we give

thanks by sharing with others, who ever that may be. but always keep in mind the stranger. that is biblical. >> that is great. i think the c is christ, too. >> amen. >> thank you for being with u reverend jim and reverend anthony, and we are thankful for mosaic which has been on since the 1970s. we think kpix. cbs.

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