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captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation," republicans rush to secure votes for one last run at health care reform. the war of word with north korea reaches new lows. and the president takes nfl owners and athletes who want to wage a sigh leapt protest. we'll talk with maine republican susan collins whose support to crucial for health care reform. plus colorado's corey gardner hasn't made his decision either. what's the political cost of republican in action. congressman adam schiff is the top democrat on intelligence committee he'll update us on the investigation into trump's staff ties to rush a. we'll hear from marc short the white house liaison, all that plus our political panel come up on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson.
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it was a busy week for president trump it started with a confrontational speech at the united nations tuesday where he threatened to totally destroy north korea if the u.s. were forced to defend itself or it's allies. >> rocket man is on a suicide mission forielf. hfoanr >> dickerson: condemned once again the iranian nuclear deal t let a murderous regime continue these destabilizing activities while building dangerous missiles. >> dickerson: followed up on that tough talk on north korea by imposing sanctions on foreign countries that trade with north korea. in an effort to further isolate the regime and force them to the negotiating table. friday, jong-un made a rare move of responding directly to the president. trump has denied existence of and insulted me and my country in front of the eyes of the
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world. i will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged dotard with fire. the president characteristically responded by twitter. jong-un who is obviously a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people will be tested like never before. republicans are also making an 11th hour effort to get a health care bill through the senate before an end of the month deadline makes it next to impossible to do so. the graham-cassidy bill would end the mandate let states come up with their own plan. but there are problems with the bill. no federal guarantee for people with preexisting conditions and bill is being rushed through without knowing what it will cost and how many people will be affected. republicans can only a ford two no votes and two have said they can't support it already. >> that was a totally unexpected thing, terrible. honestly, terrible. repeal and replace because john mccain if you look at his
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campaign, his last campaign was all about repeal and replace. >> dickerson: also late friday rush wood a new controversy taking on pro football and the players who have protested racial injustice. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say, get that son of a bitch off the field right now, be fired? fired! >> dickerson: nfl commissioner roger goodell issued a statement yesterday saying, division tie comments demonstrate unfortunate lack of respect for the nfl. we're joined by james brown, cbs news special core accident the host of "nfl today. the response to the p mess as comments have been overwhelming from players from owners, what are you hearing? >> pretty watch you just articulated, john, that from the commissioner, owners and players, t uniformly and universallyhey disavowed those
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comments. leadership, johns about being a unifier, if you will. engaging in vulgar, profane, reference to a group of young professionals who have been peacefully exhibiting their first amendment rights is not the way to engage in civil discourse for the purpose of resolving long standing, well documented problems in their community and all they're aiming to do make sure that the first words of the u.s. constitution, wehe people, is inclusive and they have those same rights and freedoms, john. >> dickerson: jd, what is your sense of how this gets resolved and keeps from escalatings there a collective role here or is it up to the players, the owners, the fans, the communities, how do you see this getting better and not worse? >> i think they all are involved in that, i've long articulated there needs to be inclusive homogeneous groups, all the people the same, ethnicity, i'm loving what coaches like pete carroll of the seattle seahawks
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or steven ross the owners of the doll fence their aim has been to hear the players to understand. they may disagree with the manner in which they peacefully articulate their concerns, but at least they hear them. bill cower our super bowl winning coach said that as well because it's about a team building effort where all benefit from that, john. >> dickerson: all right, jd, thanks so much for being with us. now we turn to colorado republican cory gardner a key voice for sanctions against north korea in the senate he joins us from yuma, colorado. i want to start with graham-cassidy moving through the senate that likely to be brought up last week. next week. last week, you said you were waiting for the assessment of the congressional budget offers. john mccain set there's no way they can give the numbers that would adequately tell what is going to happen with this bill and that's why he's not supporting it. what is your position? >> well, i think still more information that we're looking for, i think the will have role
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to play in this. i believe there is information that will come through the hearing on monday, additional text changes that will add additional information tho hs's service analysis of the bill. what we have right now unplace for colorado has led to double digit health care increases, we've seen the insurance commissioner in colorado increase certify increases of 27% insurance rates for next year, we've seen that on top of double digit rates increased last year. it's unacceptable. i hope we can find something, work together, put something in police that works to lower the cost of health care, increase the quality of care. >> dickerson: there have been extraordinary quotes this week from your colleagues, one from chuck grassley talking about the blunt political calculus, said, i can maybe give you ten reasons why this bill shouldn't be considered but republicans campaigned on this, so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign, that's pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill. senator pat robertson, another
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of your colleagues said, that if this bill is not passed republicans would lose control of the senate. there's a "new york times" piece in which you're quoted as saying donors are furious, we haven't kept our promise. the picture that emerges from all of this is a rush for political reasons to support this and not substantive reasons, what are your thoughts about that? >> this has nothing to do with politics, has nothing to do with donors has everything to do with people of this country who are suffering each and every day under a health care bill that is failing to meet their needs that's bankrupting them. i meet with countless people all four corers here who are paying second mortgage every month to afford their insurance that they can't actually afford to use. half a million people in colorado lost their health insurance, had their health insurance cancelled excuse me because they were told it wasn't good enough, didn't meet the specifications even though they wanted to keep it. we have a system right now that has led to higher cost, led to fewer choice in terms ofng b
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paying $10,000 or more deductibles, 8,000 paying, 1500 a month for insurance it's not working. that's the reason why we need new policy, that's what this fight is about the american people are bet are off. >> dickerson: but senator there's been a great deal of opposition from the american medical association, from the directors of medicaid in the states to the substance of the bill, so all the problems you name can exist, but for this particular remedy, the criticism is that it's being forced through for political reasons, we all know from our reporting that there is great anger at the grass roots and at the done or level. then you have senators basically a firming that, it seems hard to argue there is not tremendous political pressure that that's over weighing the substantive critiques to this bill. >> i think that the people who are opposed certainly want this to be about politics not policy. ve bn years we've made it a high proceed court to put something in place of the affordable care act that works. that's what we have to do.
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i hear stories from place from denver, colorado, of people who have seen health insurance premiums skyrocket, they lost a doctor they promised they could keep. average family of four would see lower health care cost of $25 0 per family a year. but that simply hasn't materialized. what is good policy is what matters to the american people, now people are going to play politics that's what they're going to do. but i think what we have an obligation to do as senate majority, bipartisan people on both side of the aisle will come together to pass a bill that works for the american people to lower cost to, put something in place that works better than the status quo because the status quo is simply not good enough. >> dickerson: let's we'll move on to north korea you've been working on this issue for a long time. pushing for sanctions, why do you think sanctions are going to work with north korea? >> you know, we have a long ways to go when it comes to the diplomatic runway toward north korea. last year when congress passed my legislation the north korea policy sanction enhancement act, north korea was the 8th most
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sanctioned nation on earth. as result of that legislation it's now the 5th or 4th most sanctioned nation. we have a long ways to go to continue to ratchet up the economic and diplomatic pressure on north korea and neighbors. our number one goal with north korea as it relates to them must and always will be peaceful denuclearization of the north korean regime. protect south korea and japan, the u.s. homeland but we have lot of work to do on the diplomatic and economic side before we think of any other option. >> dickerson: i guess my point is vladimir putin says they would eat grass before giving up their nuclear program that they are uniquely resilient to sanctions, gone through famins with lots of loss of life haven't changed their way of behaving, why will they now? >> putin ought to try to work with us. china need to do a better job of taking responsibility to work toward denyingization of north korea.
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this is a regime that has made multiple promise over the past 20 years. bipartisan failure the last eight years of strategic patience led us to where we are with nuclear test and multiple missile launches. it's unacceptable to allow north corey saw to maintain a nuclear program. why? it will lead to not only continued threats against homeland perhaps further than that threat, it will also lead to proliferation throughout the area. i've been approached by members of korea's national assembly to put in place tactical nuclear weapons by united states on the sort our even peninsula.o to ave prolifere ation, wifhich we wm, we have to make sure that we continue to work our partners around the globe to peacefully denuclear lies the regime. it's time they doo forere. w m go, you spoke out about the president's reaction to the violence in charlottesville, the president is now stepped into the middle of controversy about the nfl. i just wonder what you make of
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his remarks this week? >> look, i made it very clear in the aftermath of charlottesville there is no room in this country for hate. the kkk, neonazis, they are hateful. there's no room call evil by it's name that is the kkk and white supremacists, when it comes to this recent spat with the nfl, there are far more important thing that we ought to be focused on, you mentioned them, iran, north corey, health care bill that's what i'm going to continue to focus on make sure we take care of this in way that people know they're better off. >> dickerson: thanks so much far being with us we'll be back. to monitor drilling operations in real-time, so our engineers can solve problems with the most precise data at their fingertips. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
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>> i've had three major concerns, one is the impact on the medicaid program. this is a very important program in my state and many others because it provides needed health care to low income seniors, to disabled children. and many of our most vulnerable citizens. some of the projections that a trillion dollars will be taken out of the medicaid program between the year 2020 and 2036, that would have a devastating impact. and the changes, the sweeping changes have not been thorough analyzed by congress. second, i'm very concerned about continuing coverage and protection for people with preexisting conditions like asthma or diabetes or arthritis or cancer. this bill clearly weakens those protection so it depend on where you live.
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and you would still be sold insurance but might as well be unaffordable. finally i'm very concerned both with the current law and with the proposed law about the impact on premium cost and on the number of people who will be covered. >> dickerson: so, senator, that's a really long list. is there anything really -- given your experience and your knowledge of health care and the rush to get this done before next week, just doesn't seem possible with your long list that your fears can be 'laid by anything cvo will put out? >> well, it is hard for me to envision getting to yes on this bill. cvcause my concerns are so sfuta anndalysis in theamen pase been very helpful to me in evaluating bills such as the previous bills. that's why i'd like to see it. the problem is they may have very difficult time analyzing go the bill because it's still
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moving target. the sponsors for making changes, i think that's part of the problem, you can't -- when we're dealing with a sixth of our economy and millions of people, you can't do sound health insurance policy this way. you need tovextense hearin h, athe democrats must come to the table and that is what we should be doing. >> dickerson: there's one hearing scheduled for monday in your view that's not enough? >> this isn't even close to enough. you know, the medicaid program has been on the books for more than 50 years. aah g dramatic sweeping change n the way that program would be allocated and administered. and program which does need reform, but we need careful
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reform. i don't think this bill does that. >> dickerson: your republican colleagues say on the record and off that this might lose them control of the senate, what do you think of that, the if this doesn't pass? >> i don't think that's the ca case. what americans want is more affordable health care. and throughout this entire debate it is so ironic that when the aca was being passed years ago, and we're deliberating today that there has not enough focus on making at the causes of the escalating health care costs. and that includes taking a look at the rising cost of pharmaceutical drugs and that is something that we need to do way more focused on that. i think that the senate health committee has done great job in having four substantive hearing, ought to proceed down that route do series of bills that fixes the current law dlchaw woes hav >> dickerson: one last question,
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if this fails in the senate and current law stays in place, affordable care act what obligation does health and human services that have, the department of health and human services have to afford affordable care act that we have coming up? >> the department has to follow the current law. i hope that we can pass a bill this week that will be bipartisan, help stabilize the markets, help reduce the premiums under the leader ships of senators and those who are working hard toward that goal. but the administration does need to follow the current law until we change it. >> dickerson: senator thanks soap much for being with us, we'll be right back in a moment with more "face the nation." customer traffic? t le can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company.
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and justice department three times now to give documents related to the so-called trump dossier, this is the salacious set of allegations and february has not responded, what is going on? >> this a subpoena was issued by our chairman, what's unusual about it is the cherry cuesed himself or so we thought from the russia investigation, he's issued a subpoena to the attorney general who has recused himself, two people recused that are seeking documents or refusing to provide documents on investigation they're supposed to be uninvolved with. but more than that, i think what is really at heart is an effort to discredit mr. steele, in an essence, also to put the government on trial as a way, i think of distracting our focus from looking into what russia did during the election. >> dickerson: mr. steele being the author of to dossier. >> yes. dickerson: another development, facebook turned over some information related to russian efforts to influence the election, what exactly did they
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turn over and why sit important? >> they're providing list with all of the commercials that russia used on its platform but i think what is important for people to know there are couple of real significant issues here. one is of course the paid advertising, which was designed not only to help donald trump or hillary clinton but more fundamentally to divide americans to pit one american against another on some very divisive issues, a cynical campaign would you expect of having a kgb operative running a country. a lot we don't know yet about it, i think we know only the minimum of the advertising. advertising was only one method that russians used on social media, this is was only one platform. but also an issue about the use of facebook's algorithms and the way it tend to potentially reinforce people's informational bias, this is a problem that goes well beyond russia, in one example, if you were looking or interested in an article about hillary clinton's health, would
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facebook algorithm seeing lot more stories about hillary clinton's health and reinforce a misperception or inaccurate information. that is a far broader issue than russia but one that we need to know a lot more about. >> dickerson: that's a facebook problem not a russia problem. that's a problem with their algorithm that keeps us all siloed in certain narrow areas. >> yes. russian implication they use these to amplifylantedut far brs this in our society's interests to create these informational silos. >> dickerson: what is the impact of these russian facebook ads? is anybody saying they had any influence on the election that changed the outcome in any possible way, seems a small amount to have done anything like that. >> first of all that small amount is only what facebook has thus far confirmed came directly out of russia. they acknowledged that they haven't looked or analyzed or completed a report yet on advertising russia may have done
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through third countries. russia wile less proxies and caucuses or other parts of europe to potentially buy ads or amplify misinformation. that is just one platform they were using, nothing to do with the russian use of bots on twitter. if you look at the full extent of russian use of social media, was it in any way decisive, determinative, hard to say bus we really have so little information thus far about the extent of russian use of social media. >> dickerson: some other news that came out this week, there were reports that paul manafort former chairman of the trump campaign was wiretapped two different periods. president trump said at one point in a tweet the trump tower was wiretapped he was pretty much ridiculed. now we have reporting that paul manafort had been wiretapped maybe the president was right? >> no. i don't think so at all. in fact not only did director comby and mike rogers of nsa say
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there was no truth to the president being wiretapped, department of justice confirmed that was false as well. i can't comment on whether mr. manafort was ever the subject of surveillance of any kind. even if he were, though, that doesn't justify more suggest that the president was wiretapped improperly by barack obama, no truth to that. i will say with respect to manafort, though, the allegation that he was reaching out to russian close to putin he would offer them useful information while he was campaign manager at the very same time the russians are reaching out to him to offer information on hillary clinton, that is of deep concern to us. >> dickerson: going back to the president, he said trump tower was wiretapped, manafort lives in trump tower, it might be precisely letter for letter, what was going on, but heck of a lot closer than what people were ridiculing the president for. >> far from issue of whether it's letter for,
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president trump said barack obama was illegally wiretapping him. we should want the administration to do that, that is a far cry from the kind of illegal surveillance. >> dickerson: important questions on north korea, you oversee the intelligence communities, mike morell the deputy director of the cia a cbs senior analyst says, u.s. may not know, north korea may be further along do you worry about that, further along in their nuclear program? >> we have imperfect vision but we have to auto sowm that in the near future they can marry that with their icbm technology. whether we -- further ahead we have to presume that may be true and we need to act accordingly. >> dickerson: congress than, thank you so much. we'll be right back.
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