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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." one of the biggest opponents of the iran nuclear deal is israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu he joins us from jerusalem. good to be with you, mr. prime minister. why do you think what the president has done is going to lead to a better situation? >> well, i'm focused on the result. i think that right now the deal as it stands guarantees that iran will have not a single nuclear bomb but entire nuclear arsenal within ten years. i think president was very courageous in saying, i'm not going to kick this can down the road i'm not going to say well it's going to be on somebody else's watch i'm going to stop this from happening because, remember, we cannot allow iran the world's foremost terrorist regime that protesters and aggression throughout the region and the world. we cannot allow this rogue
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regime 30 times the size of the north korea's economy to have nuclear arsenal. the very brave decision, i think it's the right decision for the world. >> dickerson: to get the leverage that would be required to get what you want, iran has to be isolated by the world community and split at home, hasn't the president's view based on ally reaction united the allies that we're a part of this deal against what president trump system doing? >> well, they say that they want to keep the deal and the president has said correctly, either fix it or nix it. either change it or cancel it? if they want to save the deal then the european allies should start working with the united states to actually correct its deficiencies, there are many. they have to -- very clear they have to be changed and it's an opportunity that president trump has created for them to fix this very bad deal which is dangerous
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for them no less than it is for others. >> dickerson: but they believe that changing the deal basically breaks the deal. >> no, in fact if you don't change it, you break it that's what the president told them if they don't change it, if they don't fix it if they don't prevent iran from automatically getting in a decade to a nuclear arsenal then he'll change -- he'll cancel the deal. i think that once they realize that this is the american position they should join forces with the united states and with the president and work to change us. by the way, you should know that in the middle east something very historic is happening. i mean, it's not just israel that is supporting the president. it's key arab states like saudi arabia and emirates, when israel and key arab states agree on something, you should pay attention. we're close with our ears to the ground we live right here next to iran, we see what it's doing. i think that what the president
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has done has created now space to prevent a very bad deal from materializing and to fix it. everybody should join forces in doing just that. >> dickerson: what's your response to those including the signatories to this agreement what say that iran has been abiding by the agreement and that while ten years is a deadline you pick, that in fact there are longer deadlines where iran will be monitored and if they break and try to move back to a nuclear capability the entire world will see and jump on them right away. >> john, i've always said that the greatest danger of this deal is not that iran will violate it, but that iran will keep it. because under the deal in a few years time iran is guaranteed to have as many as 100 nuclear bombs. that's folly. and kicking the can down the road is not wise policy. so, whether or not they keep it
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or violate it is not the point. the point is they have a highway right now, assuming they keep the deal, to get to that point where they become a terrorist rogue regime with a vast nuclear arsenal. that really has to be stopped and i don't think the issue right now is whether they keep it or whether they violate it. the issue right now we've got to change the destination to which they are. >> dickerson: the sporers of the deal dispute your characterization ever their ability to get those bombs. but let me ask you about this scenario which is, what if iran looks at what president trump has done and says, okay, no deal. we're going to go back to the full sprint to nuclear program and blame the u.s. president for breaking the agreement. >> they could have done that right from the start they could have rushed to the bomb. they never wanted to do that, because there's always been a combination of the threat of credible military response, which by the way we put forward. we didn't need others.
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and equally crippling sanction. i stood in the u.n. a new year's ago i drew that red line that's before the deal. they didn't cross it. because they n knew what the stakes are. iran today knows that if they do what you just said they're going to get crippling sanctions, the u.s. alone can do that. the u.s. is a very powerful economy. it's almost a $20 trillion economy. iranian economy is 2% of that. when you think of countries have to choose between the u.s. economy and iranian economy, what hill they choose? that's a no brainer. iran faces crip:elk sanctions by the u.s. alone let alone the u.s. with its allies. i think they're going to think twice. >> dickerson: mr. prime minister thanks for being with us. >> thank you. dickerson: this week, president trump suggested comparing his iq to that of his secretary of state, rex tillerson. he was responding to the report disputed throughout the administration tillerson has called him a moron. but an iq test is not the test
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we want our president to ace. the better measure of presidential greatness is emotional intelligence, eq as it is called, the ability to understand and regulate your emotions and read the emotions of those around you. in presidents, it is a part of temperament and encompass restraint, equilibrium and grace under pressure it's what lincoln had. justice holmes said of fdr he had a second class intellect but first class temperament. that week is the 55th anniversary of the one greatest tests of presidential temperament. the cuban missile crisis. when the soviet union put nuclear weapons from the coast. one of the most dangerous moments in presidential history. presidential temperament and eq is tested every day in ways little and small. in the way a president reacts to slits and to other countries. on the big test of presidential temperament like north korea it's a test we're all taking
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the is extraordinary what do you make of it? >> they are critical in way of comments about the secretary, i can't remember anything quite like it. what we saw with secretary tillerson just now is that he can take a punch, he is an unflappable guy. sat here, you asked him about comment that he'd been castrated he looked back said, this is a president who is unconventional. he likes action forcing events. he clearly gets the way the president operates and he's decided he can live within that, those constraints. to be secretary of state and go around the world talking to foreign leaders when it's been asserted by the leading senator that you've been castrated not an easy challenge. but we saw the secretary of state who clearly is ready to keep doing that. >> dickerson: molly, on the hill, not everybody rushed to corker's side but also didn't denounce him really much either.
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what -- is this a moment and we're going to move on sore thi? >> for one thing i mean senator corker only said out loud only a lot of people already thought we could see publicly with the undercutting of the secretary of state. by the presidentful. you had him here just few minutes ago saying you, yes, i don't know what he's going to do from one minute to the next either. and that's just the way things are. but you are seeing now in moments like thetive with corker, that the republicans are not afraid of trump any more. and that the relationship is so badly broken between trump and capitol hill that i don't know that there's any repairing it unless they can find a way to actually get something done and senator graham was saying, but republicans on the hill have been bashed by the president, perhaps deservingly. they have not -- they don't have a lot to fall back on in terms of accomplishments so they're not super pleased with him. >> dickerson: do you think the
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president can fix this, jonah? >> well, i don't think he thinks as much to fix, i think he's what, 71 years old, he's not going to change, this is who he is. one of the things that washington still grappling with is we all like to think of the president as the boss, right? that's his role, the boss. he's also broken the blood brain barrier between reality show culture, tv culture and politics and he's also the talent. and as you may know in this business some people on tv who have very high expectations about green m&ms and everybody has to be the right way he wants to be treated like the talent not just the boss. and that's very difficult to do in politics. that's why we keep having these sort of eruptions, this corker episode is not the last one and it wasn't the first one. it's going to be going on -- that's the trump show. >> dickerson: david, what do you think about this idea of good cop bad cop? one of the criticisms he
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undermines secretary tillerson on north korea saying you're wasting your time, rex, on the other hand, isn't there way which that could help the secretary of state i've got president here who thinks i'm wasting my time, you better prove he's better to do military action. >> it may than this disruptive destabilizing bad cop, this temperamental president gives you some maneuvering room with china. i think it probably is true that the chinese have been destabilized by this president and that they have opened up some space, they're more cooperative on north korea than they have been previously. and the president clearly is hoping as he gets ready to go to china next month that he's going to get help from north korea. is it helping with north korea itself? how does it affect king jong-un, this very irrational north korean leader. there you have to really worry that getting in this tit for tat this playground argument a guy who is speeding to have nuclear
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capability, is not a good idea. that is not what a careful steward of american security would do. i think that's one of the things that's warning people around town. i hear lots of credit for the president's policies on china and the kind of bad cop side of that. not on north korea. >> dickerson: what do you make of the iranian decision by the president and where do we go from here? >> first of all, i thought it was a terrible deal. i thought it was structured in a way that was reward for iran put them on -- as senator graham put them on a path to a bomb. i think donald trump has -- i think he's absolutely right on this in that sending that to congress is a middle ground position. he's not pulling out of the treaty not even a treaty which was one of my problems with it. i did enjoy the interview with the iranian foreign minister who
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first of all seemed very concerned about america's reputation in the world which is very considerate of them. and i love the idea that they were worrying about america's credibility in the u.n. and how outrageous it is for america to violate u.n. resolutions. iran violates u.n. resolutions daily. it is doing it right now, violated 2231. it's arming hose which it's not allowed to do. and the idea that somehow iran can somehow take the high road in all this is ridiculous. >> dickerson: molly, clearly senator graham was working jonah's point you want to defend an agreement with them, they're doing all of these bad thing, he thinks he can get 60 votes for something out of the senate what do you think? >> he also said that trump is keeping a campaign promise i think that's what mattered to the president. i think he's clearly frustrated that he hasn't been able to get more done, particularly through the congress and he wants to keep some of those promises that lot of his supporters are being frustrated -- are getting frustrated aren't being kept.
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remind me during much of what he did on daca to find way to thread the needle between, if i change the status quo people will be mad. but if i don't, the people who wanted me to challenge the status quo, people who wanted me disruptive, people who -- some of the trump voters i spoke to wasn't a particular ideology just wanted to see somebody break through the gridlock and get something done. the problem is, when you have an administration and party that are divided on these issues, warring factions, a president who has no particular ideological center, he doesn't give -- he doesn't lead them in a particular direction and so you end up with these on the one hand, on the other hand situation with status quo is maintained. >> dickerson: can the needle be thread here which is essentially keep the deal but change the deal in congress? >> most analysts think that it will not be possible to get iran to agree to change. they will not reopen the deal. i think we're heading into a
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period in which the agreement and all the issues that surround it will be in limbo. i think there's a real question about whether that is in america's or israel's security interest. this was something that was locked down. tear be thought in 15 years but right now it's pretty much locked down. lot of issues now are open. the needle threading will be working with congress to adopt things that would apply to u.s. policy but wouldn't go to the deal itself. i think he probably will get away with those. if i heard iranian foreign minister right he was saying we will not be the first to withdraw from this deal. so if you don't do things that actually are in violation of the deal, it's probably in our interest to stick with it. what i'm hearing from europeans genuine unhappiness about this. they want the united states to be sort of north star of foreign policy they find us very erratic, i think they're
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genuinely upset. anyone in the administration will think, we'll get the french, i don't hear that. >> dickerson: let me switch to domestic politics. effective week or undoing pillars of the obama, not legacy not only affordable care act but clean power act. what did you make of this week, particularly with respect to healthcare and what the president is trying to do? >> i think what the president is doing or what administration is doing is reacting to the fact that as lindsey graham, congress can't get anything done. drum system trying to accumulate a record of talking points about things that he has gotten done. i think he's -- on this, too, administration is on the right side of the argument on health care thing, these payments were rendered -- ruled illegal by a court and the problem, this is the problem, trump for good or ill is shoving all this stuff on congress as article one guy i think that's great f. i want congress to step up the first branch of government it's not stepping up.
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that dysfunction empowers people like steve bannon and others to basically tear apart the republican party. if congress doesn't start getting things done i do think it could see disillusion of the republican party. already split into three parties as we speak. >> dickerson: quickly, retiring republican from pennsylvania said that now president trump owns health care as an issue, can't blame obama any more do you think that is right and will that play out politically? >> it appears to be the case in polls, it played out for president obama in the 2010 mid term, was the dominant issue, it hasn't been implemented yet at all, people blamed the administration and power anything they didn't like that was a big political reason that democrats got in the president's word shellacked. this is a tricky issue, tough issue, trump is not wrong when he says republicans spent seven years promising to do this and nothing on his desk when he got there, yeah, i think they all own it. >> dickerson: there we go. that's the end of our
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>> dickerson: we're back with captain scott kelly who is on the ground in new york. the subject of his new book "endurance" is the year he spent in space. captain kelly, we're very glad to have you with us. you write in your book that you were a below average guy stepping in an above average role. is that modest tee or is that hope for the rest of us? >> it's both and the truth. this kid that couldn't pay attention in school growing up up if if i was in school today i'd be probably diagnosed with a.d.d. or adhd it wasn't easy for me as a kid until i found some inspiration. >> dickerson: do you think that fact that it wasn't easy actually was helpful in terms of one of the word we hear a lot these days which is developing grit? >> well, it's certainly allowed me to develop a sense of
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endurance and i think it's one of the reasons why i showed thae is that, you know, it wasn't easy it was the wrong path for me to go from struggling student in school to astronaut that spent the year in space. >> dickerson: when you were up there endurance sounds like a constant slog, was it any fun? >> it was a plot of fun. and rewarding, challenging, really hard work and a privilege to be able to serve my country as an astronaut and a at nasa for 20 years. >> dickerson: how long after you came back did it take when you could wake up and not think, oh, i'm back on the planet earth again? >> you know, it took only a few days, but there were a lot of other lingering effects of being in space. most of them were gone after a couple of months, but i think it took probably about eight months until i felt completely back to normal. >> dickerson: what do you miss from your time up there? >> i miss the work. it's very challenging
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technically challenging and exacting work, something i believe greatly in. i miss the people. my crew mates that i was up there with they were all great and even though they're all back on earth i don't get to see them as much any more. >> dickerson: you grew up during the cold war, some of your mates were russians, what was that like? >> they were great colleagues and partners. they have a really fond memories of my time, i've spent in russia and my crew mates, even though at times our countries can be in conflict, at odds over things, we on the space station have to get along very well because we literally depend on each other for our lives. >> dickerson: one of the things did you while ump up there was take space walks. what is that process like? it looks on the one hand fun but i'm guessing it's quite tense, too. >> it's the type two kind of fun. type one fun is the roller coaster, type two fun is the
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stuff that's really, really hard and challenging but it's fun when you're finished with it. you feel very satisfied and accomplished. same time, really incredible experience to be outside a spacecraft doing work on behalf of nasa and our country. >> dickerson: based on your experience, what are your thoughts about sending astronauts in space for mission to mars which would require an extended period of time? >> well, i'd volunteer to do it if that opportunity presented itself. i think it's something that we should do. i think we're capable of getting there. the challenge is having the right political support and the money to go and do it. >> dickerson: you were in a sense a guinea pig for this trip and studying your body in the way it changed, what did you learn that will be helpful for that trip to mars? >> there was a lot of science based on me and my russian
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colleague, micha, being in space for a year but there was also science done on my brother and i with this twin study. a lot of the results i think will help us go to mars, there are a lot of negative things happened to our physiology from being in space for long periods of time. and those are the challenges we have to continue to work on and figure out if we're going to have people spend much longer in space than we currently have. >> dickerson: are they surmountable challenges or do you discover something in terms of the physiology that really made it tough not to crack? >> i think they're solvable, we have challenges with the human physiology but also the technical challenges of building a spacecraft and supporting the crew for a real long time. but i'll steal a phrase from my brother that he often says, getting to mars not about rocket science it's about political science and the support and money to do it.
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