>> brennan: it's sunday june 17th i'm margaret brennan this is "face the nation." fresh his singapore summit president trump took a victory lap friday on the north lawn with the white house press corps in hot pursuit. he -- >> i have solved that problem. now we're getting memorialized and all. >> brennan: now turns his attention to the problems at home including growing national outrage about children separated from their parents. nearly 2,000hi h cnereavee b under the administration's zero tolerance policy in the last six

weeks. >> everywhere, children being taken '-- >> i hey it. i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law, that's their law. >> brennan: but it's not the democrats' law it's the t'ors ceowdn in order to shut down illegal immigration. even some top republicans say it's wrong. >> we don't want kids to be separated from their parents. >> brennan: will they stand up to the president and change it? we'll talk to key moderate in the senate named republican susan collins and check in with the president's attorney, rudy guiliani, about if and when the president will be interview by special counsel robert mueller. and paul manafort goes to jail following charges of witness tampering. and separate investigation into the fbi's handling of hillary clinton as former fbi director james comey, we'll take a look at the friendship between republican receive scalise and

democrat cedric richmond putting partisan ship aside on and off the baseball field. and plenty of analysis on all the news coming up on "face the nation." good morning welcome to "face the nation." we begin today with president trump's attorney, rudy guiliani who joins us from our new york broadcast center this morning. happy father's day to you. >> thank you very, very much. >> brennan: i want to start off with a report roger stone a friend of president trump has told the "washington post" that during the campaign he met with a russian who was offering him damaging information on hillary clinton. this is now the 11th campaign associate to reveal some kind of contact with russia. how is this not an attempt at collusion? >> how is it? you have to read the rest of ito

roger. he's never talked to the president about it. where's the collusion. he said it was a waste of time. yeah, sure, there was contact as there was in that meeting. but that meeting led to nothing. this led to nothing. if anything it's proof there was no collusion. and as i think if you ever were to see the reports done by all those highly biased agents and prosecutors, mueller has no evidence of collusion. how about this. there was none. the president did nothing wrong, he was not involved with russians. they can investigate from here to, you know, to timbuktu not going to find a darn thing. >> brennan: the president told you that roger stone never spoke to him about this meeting? >> i haven't had chance to talk to him yet. >> brennan: the president didn't know anything about it? >> president doesn't know a darn thing about russian collusion from roger stone from anybody else, i would suspect he never

talked to the president about it because it's quoted in the "washington post," if they ran the story, that nothing came of this but i think he said, quote, a waste of time, close quote. >> brennan: okay. i want to ask, you mentioned special counsel robert mueller he has now indicted 20 individuals, there are five people who are now cooperating with authorities here. do you see any limit on the president's power to pardon either now or in the future with some of these indictments? >> well, i see a practical thing now he shouldn't do it, investigation is still there. there are a lot of troubling unethical behaviors, illegal behaviors with regard to what came out with inspector general that that whole issue of -- >> brennan: the hillary clinton e-mail investigation? >> actually, i'm more concerned about the genesis of that, from that came the russian probe and

that russian probe is highly suspect because he started it, switched from hillary to. that stayed with it until a year ago. where he was heavily involved with it. and he was engaged in clearly very, very suspicious activity. the strange conversations about how he was going to stop trump, he was going to get him out of the white house. they seem not be able to do it earlier so who is to say that this wasn't part of that effort. that needs to be investigated. >> brennan: he is no longer a part of the mueller probe. according to the house oversight chairman, trey gowdy they are pushing for more information. he was one of five individuals outlined in the ig report as potentially facing dispreliminary action, are you calling for something sharper than that? >> darn right. disciplinary action when he's making comments like that, not part of the probe he started it.

he was with it for its first couple of months.mukept on. how much did he infect that probe with his own very, very extreme positions. i don't know. but i sure want to find out before i go forward. this is a case where it's crying out for someone to investigate the investigators. >> brennan: what does that mean? >> what that means there should be full and complete ig report and grand jury investigation of what happened here after it became the russia probe. what was the purpose of it, what did they gather. i would really like to know what they gathered because i think they gathered same things that the "washington post" desperately is trying to regurgitate which is no collusion by the president with any russians. all these things were dead ends. the stone thing is a dead end the minute stone says it's a waste of time. didn't use the information. even if he did, i don't know what that would mean but he didn't. so i like that all fleshed out

and then i'd like to see who is really at fault here for this investigation which is now consumed over $20 million of the taxpayers' funds. >> brennan: you said now july 4th is when you expect to have decision on whether the president will sit for interview with the special counsel. why are you dragging it out? don't you know what you want to do now? >> sure. i don't want to do it. the president wants to do it. we have to sort through it. we owe him a presentation of something to the special counsel may or may not go through which gets to the point here, the only delay that we are responsible for, they are responsible about three months of delays. was due to the summit because i couldn't possibly justify troubling the president when he was working on peace with north korea. >> brennan: something that special counsel may or may not offer what kind of -- >> we are in rather sensitive negotiations with them for this

i will commend because they kept an open mind of this. that there might be a narrow area that we could all agree on would be helpful. that unfortunately is a little bit now put in to question because i'm not sure we can possibly recommend being questioned until we know how badly is this investigation infected by what was done at the beginning when he was with mueller sore so long. >> brennan: there's a hearing june 25th on that couldn't you get an answer still by july 4th and what would that interview look like? do you want four hour bill clinton type interview, something at the white house, something on tape. what is it -- >> i don't mind -- first of all, yeah, we could get enough facts about what happened before to make a decision about this. if we did have it we'd like it to be basically -- obviously really like something in writing, responded to in

writing, it can be under oath as it was with ronald reagan over iran-gate i think that was.i thd and tape recorded. agreed that it should be just audio recorded. then we would -- we would -- we would limit it -- we would like to see it limited to some specific questions about the heart of the probe, which is and has become even more the heart of the probe the russian alleged collusion. we think that those questions could be answered quickly. i don't know, we think two hours, they probably think four. let's settle at three. that's the way you do a negotiation in good faith. this area they have been in good faith. >> brennan: are you leaning towards saying -- going to change your mind you don't want to do it but sounds like -- >> i can't answer that question. nor can jay sekulow and marty

and jane until we know the answers to that question, how much was it infected by what was done at the beginning. may did that he did bad things but didn't infect the investigation. maybe he did some bad things it left some things there that really tainted so that we -- he would never have to be questioned. anything they did would be illegitimate. as a lawyer, not for political purposes, as a lawyer i can't -- i can't -- imagine if i recommended that the president testify and turns out that mueller didn't have -- judge finds that mueller didn't have proper authority. >> brennan: you're calling into question his authority. but another topic here, because you are an attorney. do you agree with attorney jeff sessions decisions on how to implement border security, this policy of separating parents

from their children when they enter the country illegally. >> you know -- i know jeff really, really well. i think in certain respects a great job some respects sort of disappointed in him. but here, i don't think i should get involved in that because, look -- >> brennan: policy issues before. >> this is one i've been unattached to for a year and a half. i'm much closer to the iran situation, probably more than anything else. north korea to some extent. this one i'm not that involved in. it seems to me -- >> brennan: have you -- haven't stopped me from it. i'm a private citizen. i'm not binding the white house. i'll give you my view as private citizen and somebody wholl gets resolved if they do some kind of comprehensive bill. and the administration is doing something not terribly

dissimilar to what bush and obama were forced to do because congress didn't act. maybe this administration is doing it more thoroughly. i don't like to see, i know president trump doesn't like to see, children taken away from their parents. i also don't like to see america victimized by a lot of people who are doing it for pure manipulation to get bad people here. >> brennan: we'll talk about comprehensive immigration reform in the process of that with our next guest. we'd like -- love to have you back on to talrekmo >> 'm a big supporter of comprehensive immigration reform including now, i know i'm going to have a lot of bad writers including path to citizenship. under ronald reagan i know had lot of problems but i think they can be solved by senator graham and by the white house. jeff is not giving the president the best advice.

>> brennan: we'll leave it right there for you, happy father's day. we'll bring in now maine republican senator susan collins who joins us this morning from bangor, welcome to the show. you just heard a lot about the russia probe and the president's attorney on that anything you'd like to respond to? >> well, i think it's helpful that the president's lawyer, rudy guiliani, has clarified that he would recommend against pardons. but i think it would be more helpful if the president never mentioned the word pardon again with respect to the russian investigation. because he wants to get that russian investigation completed and every time he brings up the issue of pardons it gives the investigators something else that they have to look into. >> brennan: point taken. senator on this other issue of immigration, do you support the

trump administration's zero tolerance policy that is leading to the separation of parents and children when they cross illegally into the u.s.? >> i do not. senator jeff flake and i have written to the administration to ask for more information about the policy. but we already know two things. first, from the experience of previous administrations it does not add a deterrent to use children in this fashion. and second, and much more important, it is inconsistent with our american values to separate these children from their parents unless in regard to abuse. >> brennan: i read that letter. according to homeland security there are about 2,000 children that have been separated from their parents since policy has been implemented. your letter specifically asks

about those who are legally claiming asylum. is it your belief, your suspicion here that the numbers are far higher than,000? -- higher than 2,000? >> it may well be higher, that's what we need to know. what we do know is this. the secretary of homeland security testified that if parents present at a legal port of entry, with a claim of asylum that the children would not be taken away. yet there are numerous credible media accounts showing that exactly that is happening and administration needs to put an end to that right off. eye ron i goly it also encourages illegal crossing if in fact children are being separated from their parents when their parents attempt to cross legally with a claim of asylum. >> brennan: senator dianne feinstein, another democrat

putting forth legislation are you are the president's own party, what are you doing to stop it? >> well, first let me say that i know senator feinstein cares deeply about these children, she's a very compassionate person. but her legislation is not the answer. it's that are too broad. it would essentially prevent arrest within 100 miles of the border even if the person has committed a serious crime or is suspected of terrorist activity. so that is not the answer. what i have done is worked with bipartisan group of senators and in february, we presented a bill that would have taken initial steps to fully fund the president's border security initiative including his wall, technology, more personnel and tiamered a pathway to

population, those young people who are brought to america through no decision of their own. it garnered 54 votes on the senate floor, regrettably the night before the department of homeland security issued an inflammatory press release that torpedoed the bill. i think we should try again. we should not give up. it is important that we enact immigration reform. >> brennan: it's interesting that you say that the white house didn't put its shoulder behind it in fact you're suggesting trying to -- senior administration told me, quote, white house is on the side of the angels with the separation policy because they say they are helping stop child smuggling. what do you make of that? obviog abused in any way, including trafficking, that is justification for separating the

parents from the child and arresting the parent and protecting the child. but that is not what is going on. what the administration has decided to do is to separate children from their parents to try to send a message that if you cross the border with children, your children are going to be ripped away from you. that is traumatizing to the children who are innocent victims and it is contrary to our values in this country. that is not to say that we shouldn't add to try to curb illegal immigration. we should and i support the president's proposal for border security. we do need to strengthen our security at the border, we need to work with those countries in central america from which these families are coming to end the gang violence that is encouraging them to leave.

and spin cases we need to repatriate the whole family back to the host country. we know from years of experience that we need to fix the immigration laws and that you see children -- using children is not the answer. >> brennan: senator susan collins thank you for joining thus morning. we'll be back in one minute with more "face the nation," our panel is standing by for political analysis for all of what you just heard. don't go away. to a whole new level. using augmented reality so engineers in the field can share data and get expert backup in the blink of an eye. because safety is never being satisfied and always working to be better. handcrafted layers of clean food you can give your kids. tomatoes. even the picky ones. panera. food as it should be. now delivered.

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president's legal problem. what do you make of what you just heard, rachel? >> first of all, you could see rudy guiliani segue. -- segmenting i should say. he went four times back to this new revelation that there was fbi agent who was engaging in some poe continue systemly political bias at the fbi basically property pointing to the text necessariages where agents said, we're going to stop president trump from getting to the white house. it's one thing forn to have political beliefs, you're allowed to do that obviously, it's a free country. another thing to act on them. inspector general in that report said that text messages suggest that this agent was willing to act on his political bias. i think this is interesting because the segueing that you just saw with guiliani, what republicans are going to do from here on out whenever we talk about the russia investigation. they're going to use this to try to discredit the mueller investigation say this agent was one of the key agents who opened

the russian investigation, we can't trust this investigation. >> brennan: ben, we are going to see a hearing in the house this week, and trey gowdy want the names of the other individuals who were highlighted in this report as potentially having political bias. does this catch on beyond the beltway. >> one of the things we should keep in mind is separation between optics of this for the fbi which are -- the leadership of the fbi and obama justice department which if you're calling not just saying bad things about the a president saying his voters are pour, dumb, racist, mentally retard at one point, not sort of thing that can give republican voters any confidence if this was the kind of investigation. you mentioned congress. big earn concern not what this agent is saying in his text but fact that that text was never turned over to congress which should raise flags as to what other have they not turned over. have they not given us the full

perspective. but could be more serious. >> brennan: that is why you are now having questions being asked of the deputy attorney general more pressure put on him. >> i think you saw from rudy guiliani the clear emergence of a new legal strategy for the president, he talked about peter, then on therump fbi probe then on mueller probe he said we can't agree for president to sit down with robert mueller until we determine how this fbi agent who has bias against donald trump, stop trump from getting to the white house until how he tainted the mueller probe. he was removed by robert mueller, but in my view it's going to be basically impossible to determine how this agent came to the mueller in the ig report that we got this report. look, these guys were clearly made inappropriate political comments but very difficult to determine how decisions they

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>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation" we'll pick up where we left off with our political panel. jeff, i'm going to ask you, catholic bishops issued a statement saying separation of families at the border is immoral. baptists issued a statement saying families should not be separated yet the attorney general came out said he has the law and god's law on his side. >> entry into the united states is a crime, it should be it must be. i would cite to apostle paul his clear and wise command in romans 13 to obey the laws of the government. god ordained the government for his purposes. >> brennan: how do you reconcile this? >> you could find anything you

want in the bible but obviously if there's dominant theme or one dominant theme of the bible is that you have prophets and figures arguing against unjust laws, that's the theme. one of the themes of the bible is, don't do something that is immoral even if the ruler tells you to do it. it's not the strongest ground in the world that the attorney general is standing on. though the -- for trump, the danger comes because even religious leaders like franklini graham who is saying this to too much. there's political peril, there's obviously moral peril here. the thing i think we should be focused on for the moment is that trump is not telling the truth when he says that this is the democrats who did this. donald trump can end this with a snap of a finger. he can say we're no longer separating children from their parents at the border. it's not complicated legislative issue. >> brennan: this is policy the

attorney general has chosen to take in terms of prosecuting criminally rather than civilly they argue, white house argues that crossing the border is a crime, there for that is how it has to be. >> they can undecide very quickly. >> they argue that their hands are tied on this. that all attempt at immigration reform have put them in this impossible position and they're just making tough choices no one else would. >> certainly agree with jeff when it comes to the ability of the administration to change this. i think that we're kind of -- focus on these kids, i certainly understand frit a media perspective is ignore hang is really driving these factors. why do we have a 200% year over year increase in the number of people coming across. why do we have the biggest month to month increase between february and martha we've seen since 2011. answer to that is activity of the mexican cartels who use these migrants as a distraction to clog systems, that they're able to funnel things. last week we saw two more

political candidates in mexico burdened in broad daylight. one a mayor running for congress right across the rio grande another mayor who has been reformer fighting against the cartel. that brings total to 1134 political candidates what have been murdered by the cartel in less than a year. mexico's political violent situation is something that is not going to be solved when it comes to driving these types of migrations. and that's going to require things that i'm not sure the congress is really willing to grasp. the kind of support and diplomacy and activity to prevent our southern neighbor from becoming a failed state. >> many of these aren't mexicans. which leads to other implications when it comes to miatiool, buachel as you heard from senator collins this makes lot of republicans very uncomfortable. does that force action? >> not necessarily, no. not right now. when republicans are clearly

nervous about standing up to president trump. you saw speaker paul ryan said he was uncomfortable with this policy but he blames the court. he didn't come out say president donald trump stop these policies right now. there is a provision in immigration bill that is coming to the floor this week that basically keeps families together. but it's not necessarily solution everyone is going to like but because basically allows folks to put children in jail with their parents or hold them in detention facilities with their parents. that's going to make some others very untomorrow court -- >> that is not unusual as the -- what is interesting is since trump is blaming the democrats, you can see that he's feeling the fresh you are right now even though some of his administration officials are saying this is deterrent, we're doing this on purpose, he clearly is a little nervous about this because he's trying to push this off on democrats when we know it's really because of him. >> brennan: you were just saying, this bill that is coming forward doesn't have a lot of

support. the white house -- also republicans aren't necessarily on board with this. it gets to more of the internal dynamics of the party. >> that's right. the trump administration not first administration to gap well this problem, they say they are trying to attack the use of children, some are coming across with their parents that some people are also using children in order to gain access to the country, not their children, put in the hands of traffickers the trump administration says they're trying to crackdown. bush and obama face the same thing. obama was attacked for putting children, holding children with their parents together in detention facilities and only do this for 20 days. previous administration have grappled with this, this provision would, this bthheir kids. obama came under ferocious attack from doing that with

immigration groups. what strikes me about this is how poorly the trump administration has defended their decision, which i think could be defended on some ground. but it's not what you heard from jeff sessions or what you heard from president trump. >> brennan: why do you think they're not defending it more? >> you know -- i think -- hard to defend. >> i think it is difficult to defend but it could be done. you've heard when they talk about zero tolerance they want to deter the use of children coming forward. i that i could be be attacked. obama was attacked for trying to stop this as well. but i think that there's been a persistent problem in the trump administration of having a clear, concise and consistent defense of their policy. >> brennan: difficult for republicans to oppose policy. senator collins was very careful in they language and did take a stand as senator corker said this week, he thinks g.o.p. >> it's interesting, we see this

manifest in north korea clearly you have a president who not only thinks he's already made a deal when no deal has been made. if the deal as he describes it is in fact made it's very soft deal. much softer than the iran deal which of course republicans despised. yet there's not a peep of descension, really, about policy that trump is describing that is far weaker than obama did. you see cross issue after issue. people in the republican party know that the base still likes trump and they are scared. >> brennan: is now influencing policy making. >> has been influencing policy making and increasing. >> brennan: you were in singapore for these talks with kim jong-un, hard to believe this was earlier this week. what was it like in that room? whether or not it added up to

anything, it was extraordinary moment. >> i think the thing that jumped out for me, for trump these events are an end in themselves. trump is in it for the spectacle not necessarily for the policy outcome. so event itself at this grand hotel in singapore was really staged for the cameras. and north korea produced the 42 minute documentary, their calories were there capturing every moment. but it was shaped around as the walks along the breezeway and the officials seated around tables. trump and kim i think are very attuned to the optics of this. you hear trump talking about potential summit with vladimir putin. the event it h itself was and leave to other -- >> brennan: mike pompeo. >> because president told him. especially because the president wants the deal to be memorialized as that.

there is no deal. i've covered -- we've been in this before on iran deal, years of the iraq deal, the middle east for 25 years, this is not solved. most likely it won't be solved. eventually the reality show piece runs out and people are left looking at saying we didn't actually denuclearize north korea. mike pompeo, yes, has a difficult job. i have to disagree with jeff when it comes to the attitude from the base toward trump versus base toward foreign policy generally. they chose trump for a reason l. is no op tight for regime change in north korea. there's no appetite on part of americans, no appetite on the part of south koreans themselves. what you see here is a president who, yes, is very much more mindful of the optics of a deal than what is in the actual deal itself. when it comes to the presence of mike pompeo, john bolton looking at the articles that were being written where they were around los angeles. everyone was worried that the

president was going to tweet us into a nuclear war. whether anything comes of this deal remains to be seen. it hasn't been solved yet. a lot more adult conversation going around. >> brennan: it gets in writing about sort of this question of american values or america's view of itself in the world. you had sort of different linguistic twist on -- >> it's family television i'm move on from the way it was described to me from the people in the administration. there is this take it or leave it approach which is, we're america. we will do what we want. what's interesting about that is that in the north korea case, literally, i don't want to make too much of the a absolute to north korean general, but there are things donald trump did in singapore if barack obama had done would have caused a cry from much of the republican base. certainly from the foreign policy and national security complex.

and so there's an attitude, we'll do whatever we want but there's also this attitudes coming right from the top of dictators aren't so bad. and we can fix these things, they're easy, just let me do it. >> what i think you see in trump's rhetoric of foreign policy from the campaign through this meeting with kim last week, is that he believes it's a dog eat dog world, every country looking out for its own interest including the u.s., what i don't think he realizes is that american alliances and american commitment to freedom which he views as sort of pie in the sky, idealistic rhetoric actually brings tangible benefits to the u.s. on the world stage. really don't hear him talk about that. >> brennan: we have to leave it there. thank you very much to all of you. we'll be right back.

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were you satisfied with the answer? >> we didn't get many answers. margaret, i commend the whole move by the president to go have a direct talk with kim jong-un. we've been trying one method for 35 years now to try to work from the bottom up and got no where. even agreements far more specific than what the president reached in singapore has been violated. but what i have been concerned about as i've watched this unfold is that the president got from kim jong-un, complete denuclearize, that is more than his father and grandfather very specific agreements in the past. the at's -- president a's attitude, we're no longer under nuclear threat from north korea. you'll know you're under no nuclear threat when you can check off a list of the things that they have given up, everybody from weapons to production facilities, to

missiles, to the chemical and biological and even the cyber weapons. right now we're no place close to that. we're exactly where we were with a much improved tone. you don't know how long that will last. >> brennan: we don't know what the next step is. the secretary of state would have upcoming meeting, he said he might have called the north koreans today. what happens next? >> well, presumably what happens next is something a lot like that you and i covered in the days of the iran negotiation. you have to have a very detailed series of meetings that will probably extend over several years in which the north koreans will have to unwind it. in the interim, north korea has 20-60 nuclear weapons. their gain here to be recognized with the de facto nuclear state hoping that they're not giving up everything, this is an arms control talk in which they just give up a little bit. >> brennan: it's interesting you say that. de facto nuclear state. you write in this new book about essentially the u.s.

underestimating north korea on lot of fronts including in terms of their cyber capability. that's not something we're talking about as part of this agreement necessarily. but how much of a threat are they? >> what's interesting is, that the only way north korea has actually attacked the united states in the past few years, has been with cyber. we were right to focus on nuclear weapons. their effects. cyber is the opposite of a nuclear weapon. it is targeted. it's steel thee and very hard to deter. so was north koreans who came in took out 70% of the computing power of sony pictures. nor koreans who cleaned out a good deal of the bangladeshnkfip other attacks in the u.s. along with the chinese. what's happened over time is the coies have begun to recognize that cyber is the main

way that they can undercut each other, they can take action without getting military response. our problem has been, we haven't figured out how to deter it. >> brennan: you've talked about as well the lack of u.s. response when it comes to what russia carried out on this country with cyber hacking during the obama years. >> that's right. i was thinking of you were talking with rudy guiliani and others, we forget that the origins of all of this was the russia hack of the dnc. before that happened, the russians were in to the white house, the state department, the joint chiefs of staff and each of those cases the obama administration, like administrations before them didn't name the russians publicly. didn't punish the russians for this, they fought them to try to get them out of the white house computer systems and never said anything publicly. >> brennan: i remember that. >> it was all going on, the state department communications

were down when we were in vienna at various motions. because they were trying to clear the russians out of their system. they made no effort to punish the russians viewing it as sort of old time espionage. if you're vladimir putin you think to yourself, if they wouldn't fight me back about the white house, why are they going to worry about democratic national committee. >> brennan: that is an extraordinary challenge for the new heads. david, this is a great read. thank you for coming on. >> thank you, margaret. >> brennan: we'll be back with more "face the nation" in a moment.

>> brennan: they have been called the bayou brothers, democrat cedric richmond and republican steve scalise have been friends since the state house. now they're both eyeing higher leadership roles in the u.s. congress. a year ago scalise was critically wounded in an attack on republican members of congress practicing for charity baseball game. richmond was the first person to get to scalise's side after he

arrived at the hospital. their friendship proving even those divided in politics will still be good friends. we spoke with them earlier. >> so many people look at that shooting, the political motivation behind it as reflective of the divisions in this country. but you're sitting here talking about being close friends despite this divide k. is more reflective of where we are right now. >> we're a divided nation right now. but if you look back at the history of our country, our founders set up a system of government where with the rights of free speech, the ability, you go go out disagree with people can you can actually express those disagreements, in many countries you can't. the difference is, number one, never make those disagreements personal but there's no excuse to completely unacceptable to resort to violence to try to resolve some kind of disagreement when you have somebody. >> look, the divisions in this country right now i believe is at one of the highest peaks in

my generation. hopefully we can start to bridge that divide by leading by example. and it will have to come from congress. that's clear. but we just need to make sure that we judge people by whole bunch of factors but it shouldn't be political party, shouldn't be race, shouldn't be gender or sexual orientation whether the person is a nice person or not. and to the ex department that you agree that the person is a nice person then try to find common ground. steve and i, our battles, even plane rides home when we talk about issues it's clear we don't necessarily agree on most of them how to get there. >> brennan: that's health care, immigration, tax cuts. >> the list goes on. >> brennan: do you argue? >> i get all the arguments he arw it'sting the wrong

improving lives around the country and i get to say -- that's only because you all gutted the good things. but we have this. where we talk about issues and we tease each other a lot. we like to say that democrats although just spent $2 trillion on tax cut they didn't pay for. >> spending money by giving people their money back, interesting when they only cares about deficit when it involves people have their own money back. >> you have to pay for $2 trillion that's a lot of money. likes to win arguments. i win the baseball games. >> we'll give him the trophy for showing up we'll have to cedric. >> for now. >> november 6 right around the corner. >> brennan: what is over-under on that? do you place bets?

>> i'll win re-election in mine. we'll hold the house though. >> brennan: you said he would be good speaker if he -- >> i want him to be the head republican, i do. i just want him to be in the minority. >> make great minority leader. >> when we hold the majority i look forward to having cedric work with us, he'll be minority leader maybe. we'll be able to work on a number of things. >> brennan: what about immigration? do you have any points of agreement? >> shouldn't we secure the border. in our bill we'll build a wall. we also solve the daca problem but fixed some of the problems that stop us from securing the border. a lot of the internal security measures. homeland security identified so many different loopholes. make it hard to secure america's border. >> do you think for country is important to have vote on immigration ahead of november? for both parties? >> i think so. because i think the american

people should know where we are. the head of their party occupies the white house if you give me border security, if you give me a wall i'm willing to create a pathway to citizenship for daca. if you all get it passed i'll sign it. then, this is where it always get contentious throws in the diversity vitae program which is largest program which african americans come to this country, they are better educated than even american children when they get here so those are the hard things. his role in congress is complicated a little bit because introduce the president. if we didn't have white house involved i think there are a bunch of issuesan come together on. >> brennan: we also spoke with the two about their different perspectives on both trim president trump and race in america that conversation is available on our website facethenation.com.

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