captioning sponsored by cbs it's sunday, july 22nd, i am margaret brennan and this is "face the nation". >> this showdown between president trump and russian president vladimir putin ended with a lighthearted moment. >> but the fallout over the conflicting responses from the president over whether or not he believes putin medalled in the u.s. elections. >> 2016 or today f led to a week of punishing headlines and widespread criticism. frustration and outrage from even loyal supporters of the president. >> there has been no president ever as tough as i have been on russia. >> but few other than the president believe that. >> and there are still more questions than answers about what was agreed to behind closed doors. there is also growing evidence about russia's continued attempts to interfere in our

elections. two key republican senators, south carolina lindsey graham and florida's marco rubio both criticized the president for his helsinki performance, we will see where they stand after a week of presidential backtracking. force fomplets former secretary of state john kerry will tell us about the obama's administration challenge to. >> and a fresh face in the democratic party, alexandria ocasio-cortez al, who pulled off a stunning upset against a top house democrat in her primary last month. he is joined by a familiar face, vermont's bernie sanders as they campaign for democrats in unusual territory. we will ta to both of them. we will have plenty of analysis on all of the political news this week just ahead on "face the nation". >> good morning and welcome to "face the nation". we begin today with south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. great to have you here. >> thank you.

>> this morning the president is again accusing the justice department and the fbi of misleading courts in illegally surveilling his campaign and pointing to these documents just released about carter page who was campaign associate and admitted to having advised the kremlin at one point. you sit on senate judiciary, is the president wrong? >> no. i think the whole fisa warrant process needs to be looked at. the warrant on cart supported mostly by a dossier that came from michael steele who was being paid by the democratic party to do opposition research and the dossier was collected i think from russian intelligence services and if you asked the fbi today, how much of the dossier on trump has been verified? almost none of it. >> you say mostly not entirely so therefore was the surveillance justified? >> 0 no not at all in my interview if the dossier is the reason you issued the warrants the a bunch of garbage, the dossier is proven to be a bunch of garbage. >> so the president is correct? >> in my view, that the warrant,

the guy is a warrant process needs to be looked at closely by congress, the main reason they issued the warrant was the dossier prepared by mr. steel, they never told the court he was a paid operative of the democratic party. the substance of the dossier to this day is a bunch of garbage. >> i am pressing you on this because you have expressed some concern about the president's skepticism about his own intelligence community and this -- >> this is completely different than whether or not the russians interfered in our election. they did. the carter page warrant is whether or not the trump campaign cleared wit the russians. colluded with the russians. i haven't seen any evidence of it but i think the president gets this confused. if you suggest that russians meddled in 2016, he goes to the idea that, well, i think, i didn't collude with them, you didn't collude with the russians or at least i haven't seen any evidence but mr. president they medalled in the elections and they stole podesta's e-mails and hacked into the dnc it could be us next and some other power,

not just russia, our, protect our electoral infrastructure in, 28 tebow. >> get your government who does a lot of good work but doesn't know about it, sit down with congress and the administration and you lead this nation to hardening the 2018 election process before it is too late not just from russia but others. >> it sounds like you are saying after a week of, you know, some conflicting statements that you still aren't sure the president is fully believing what his intelligence community is telling him. >> he says but he is not acting. it is not what he said. he has changed his mind four times this week. i am glad that he is willing to walk things back and say he misspoke if it makes us stronger. i would have given anything if president obama were to change his mind when it came to withdrawing troops. he was told if you this, it would be a disaster he did it anyway. president trump at least is willing to change. but what i think he needs to do is lead this nation to make sure

the 2018 election is protected dance reluctantly. so i hope he will direct his government working with congress to harden the 2018 election before it is too late and if he meets with putin. >> he has been invited to the white house. should that happen? >> if he does, show up you need to have new sanctions hanging over putin's head. >> what do those look like? >> you need to get with rubio and van hollande and myself and others and come up with a set of sanctions that would be a hammer over russia's head if they continue to interfere in the 2018 election. >> aren't they? >> they are. just have sanctions that can fall on russia like a hammer, don't meet with this guy from a position of weakness. you need to do two things. we the infrastructure, electoral infrastructure and you need congress to come up with new sanctions because putin is not getting the message. he has been tougher than obama i will give you credit for that mr. president but it is not working. if you were really tough on putin he would not be doing what

he is doing so being tougher than obama doesn't get me to where i want to go. i want this man t to stay out of our election and quit disrupting the world, we need new sanctions heavy handed sanctions hanging over his head and then meet with him. >> i knew you were in syria. >> president putin said there were a number of agreements he reached with this president trump in this private meeting. do you have any assurance as to what the president agreed to as to the presence of u.s. troops. >> none this would be one thing that would be a dissearch in the region if he agreed to withdraw our forces. russian won't get iran out of syria. >> if you are relying on russia to be the policeman of iran that ask the biggest mistake you could ever make. we need to keep our troops in syria, protect the kurds who helped us destroy isis, make sure that the place doesn't fall apart and sigh sister doesn't come back. >> it took the white house four days to respond to vladimir putin's offer on the ukraine. they did send another 200 million in security assistance, does that satisfy

you? why did it take so long? >> i don't know. i don't know what deals were cut if any in the two hour meeting and i don't mind with the president meeting with putin again, you don't get a mulligan in this business but you do get another start, you know, when kennedy met with khrushchev in vienna it didn't go well but eventually got his foot into russia, i hope trump will get his footing on russia he has been tougher than obama but hasn't been tough enough. >> on north korea has the president's rhetoric gotten ahead of where we are in this process? >> oil worry that china is pulling north korea back. here is what i would do, i would put deadlines in terms of when i want north korea to deliver the remains of our pows and missing in action. and i would restart the military exercises, mr. president, north korea is playing the same old game with you they played with every other president. you are being tough on china and you should be, but klein is pulling north korea back, we need to make sure china and north korea know and believes you are different than everybody else. restart these military exercises, and put on the table removing our dependence from

south korea as a real star warning to north korea to what happens if they play you. >> i want to ask you a little bit about how the president's trade policies are impacting your home state, south carolina. >> bmw's exporter largest exporter of cars, their plant is in south carolina. >> how much damage is this doing. >> it is hurting but it will hurt more if we allow china to continue to cheat. they can build a luxury car just like the x 5 in china and build boeing, they can build wide bold jets just like the 787, if we don't stop china from stealing our intellectual property a and having business practices others won't accept, they are all complaining about the tariffs driving them out of business i am willing to accept some paper and push back hard against china but we need to get a good outcome, start with mexico and canada, mr. president, let's don't fight the withhold world, let's get our backyard in a good t tariffs he is threatening on automobiles are coming from europe, not china.

>> well, china put a 40 percent tariffs on bmws going into china from the united states. they make 81,000 cars in south carolina, sold to china, the x 5, there is a 40 percent tariff on that product, it is hurting us in south carolina. i don't know how you get china to change if you are not willing to experience some pain. the european markets need to be and opened up but the europeans are not our enemy, mexico and canada are not our enemy, when it comes to trade, china is our enemy. >> and we know your negotiators are coming here this week so we will be watching this, senator, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we turn now to florida republican. >> we turn now to florida republican senator marco rubio. >> good to have you here. >> thank you, thanks for having me. >> should vladimir putin be welcome to the white house this fall? >> well, i don't have a problem with the president meeting with putin, i have a problem on the contrary i think it is an important thing not to engage him, i think it is important any conversation we have with vladimir putin is with the person he really is, this is a guy who clearly believes a does not believe in a win-win

scenario with the u.s., he is a big believer in zero sum came, he his the way to make russia strong search to weaken america, and as long as we are clear about it, i think it is important that the nation speak to one another, and that our leaders speak to one another and i think most of our european a allies have encouraged that, but it is only productive if we clearly ups who he is and what he wants. >> well, given that the director of national intelligence request russia continues to try to influence our elections system, including the upcoming november races, there is a sensitivity to having vladimir putin here in the fall around that same time. >> you come from a very key state of florida, have you cash -- have you seen any evidence in your home state of election meddling or influence -- >> well i will be carefully because i am on the intelliuffii have been warning consistently i think they will do this again. i think they learned from 2016 methods and different tactics that i believe they will utilize again, whether it is an 18, 20, or 22 but they will do it again and be better at it. so i strongly urge every

election official in america to take advantage of all of the resources provided to them and available to them from the department of home lapped security and others -- >> is it not being done and being offered? >> well you always do more and one of the impediments with he have and working through is the fact that in many of these election departments still in some part of parts of the country there is not 0 a clear official you can share classified information with. suffice it to say no election official in america or in the state should be over confident, with, you are dealing with the capacity of a nation states, and it is not about changing votes, it is about creating chaos by, for example, deleting people from the voter roles and the like so we really need to take that very seriously. >> this morning the pnt is tweeting and accusing the justice department and the fbi of misleading courts and illegally spying on his campaign he is pointing to the release of these documents about campaign associate carter page who the fbi believed were surveilling him to have some ties to the russian government. you have said before on the

record that you had not seen evidence of the fbi spying on the trump campaign. do you still believe that? >> yes, i have a different screw on this issue, this issue that the president in the white house. they did not spy on the campaign from anything i have seen. you have an individual here who has openly bragged about his ties to russia and russians, carter page has never said she a spy but talked about it and the fbi's i don't know is to protect this country from threats like, and to -- >> so it justifies -- sovereignties they look at all of this information and they say we have a guy here always in russia and brags about russia and we have reason to believe and they list those reasons why this is someone we should be watching and they followed the legal process by which to do so. i think that is different from spying on a campaign, in fact, the trump campaign has said onnr page was not a major player in their campaign. so, you know, based on that statement alone, you would conclude that, yes, they were looking into this one individual, but an individual the campaign themselves says was not a big part of their efforts

so therefore i would not consider that spying on a campaign. >> we started this week with concern even from you that the president was really slamming his own intelligence community or at least not defending them, and again today he is is hitting the just department and the fbi and accusing them of illegal behavior. >> well, so on the intelligence committee, community, i think they did their assessment of 2016 is accurate. it is 100 percent accurate, the russians interfered in our elections, not only that, i believe they there do so again in the future. and it presents the so sort of unique situation on the one hand the trump administration's policies on russia have been tougher than anything anyone could have imagined. they have provided defensive capabilities, offensive capabilities, lethal weapons to ukraine, again this week's, their sanctions exceeded what many have asked asked for -- >> and in in congress, his comments don't match that? >> right. so then yo you have the statemes and i think it was not a good moment for the administration, obviously, hopefully something like that ever happens again, but i think it is important now

to focus on policies, which ultimately is what matters. the rhetoric can influence policy and undermine policy, but i don't think we have reached that point here with this. the moornt ink we need to focus on now is deterring future attacks by putting in place immediate sanctions that take hold if they do this again. >> and you have got a bill proposing something along those lines. >> yes. >> but there is no date set for that? >> well obviously now, i mean this is a major piece of legislation, these sanctions that we are talking about are devastating and so we want it to be done the right way and so a therefore, we have asked the committees of jurisdiction which is foreign relations committee and the banking committee to hold hearings so we can get moving on that. >> so you expect hearings but no vote any time soon? >> well, the leader has said, leader mcconnell says he wants a vote, leader schumer says he wants a vote, but usually when the minority and major a at this leaders says they want to vote on it it is voted on. >> would you characterize this as a walkback by would from wouldn't, is it two letters was the issue for you? >> the bottom line is i am glad

he said what he said, because it left the impression he was siding with putin rather than our intelligence agencies. >> at this point we can't change what happened. as i said it was not a good moment, but it was what it was. we need to move forward from that with good public boil and part of that is, i think standing with our intelligence community, at the end of the day i am never going to side with vladimir putin we should never side with him against our own government and against our own people. here, no matter what you are, democrat or republican, we wouldn't want any country in the world involved in trying to influence the outcome of our elections or the direction of our elections, we should never be tolerant of any country in the worldcoming into our own country and trying to pit us against each other. we wouldn't tolerate that of france or tolerate it of luxembourg why would we tolerate that of russia and senator putin. >> senator thank you for your time, thanks a for being here. >> thank you. >> we will be back in a moment with a lot more "face the ultsh moderately to severely active

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perry about his new book every day is extra. we also asked him about president trump's performance in helsinki. forces to. >> i thought it was shocking. i found it to be one of the most disgraceful remarkable moments of kowtowing to a foreign leader by an american president i have ever witnessed it wasn't it was a kind of surrender, it is dangerous, a president .. stood there and did not defend our country. he stood there and did not defend the truth, he did not defend the facts, and the danger, here is why it is dangerous, because it sends a message to president putin and the rest of the world that the president of the united states the leader of the free world really doesn't have a handle on what he is doing. and that he doesn't, you know, know either what the facts are or he won't accept the facts. >> brennan: so you don't buy his walk back? >> i don't buy his walkback one second. and by the way how can anyone

buy walkback after walkback when you table positions here and then you take positions over here and you are repetitively walking back and changing? we are at a point where after the documented untruths of this president documented by many, many different media sources, that there is no credibility. you don't know whether to believe or not to believe. that's the worst situation you could have for a president of the united states a in a dangerous world. >> brennan: president trump a frequently points out that this election meddling happened on president obama's watch, you were in the administration at the time. we heard president obama publicly condemn russia for doing that but we never saw him publicly confront vladimir putin either. >> because it was just unfolding. we discovered this in the late summer. i remember secretary being at a meeting where it was disclosed to us by our intel community, i think it was august if i recall

correctly, and so you are in the last moments of the presidential campaign and the president already is being accused of being, accused of engaging in trickery and in addition trump, president trump had been already publicly talking about the election being fixed, and the process being phony and so forth. so it was essential for the president to put the people with the greatest credibility out front, and he did. the intel community went out, the director of national intelligence, the cia, they framed the discussion. so that -- >> brennan: do you think -- >> so that president trump -- so then candidate trump couldn't say it is rigged, it is rigged, this is a game for hillary. so we have to stand back a moment. but i was there in china when the president took president putin aside, i know what he said to him, we had discussions about it before and after, and he confronted him and the

photograph of this i think there were a couple of photographs, the photograph shows a fairly unhappy president putin. he made it c crystal clear what would happen and the minute we were past election day so we didn't wind up in a situation -- and by the way, the intel community also briefed the republican leadership in the house and senate and they chose not to make a move. so the reason was, i think, that everybody was just digesting and getting handle on exactly what they were up to. the minute the election was over, sanction were put in place and those sanctions have been ratcheted up since then. this is an ongoing challenge to our country. it is not a democrat or republican problem. it has been building for a long period of time under president bush, prior to that, ever since we have had an internet there hash escalating series of cyber attacks against corporations anl of us as americans and we have

got to depolitical size it. we have got to get away from this constant effort to destroy a presidency, whoever's it is. it is tearing our country apart, and i think it is very, very dangerous for our democracy. >> brennan: you were there when president obama confronted president putin, you said. do you think, though, that he paid a sufficient price for meddling? >> i don't think at this point he has because it continues. at that point, when we kicked people out, shut down certain entities, and put sanctions in place, very tough sanctions barks he -- by the way, much tougher sanctions than we have seen more recently with respect to russia. i mean president trump didn't even want to implement the sanctions. how long did he sit on them for? almost a year without putting them into place because he didn't like them and he didn't want to do it. something is having an impact on president trump with respect to dealing with russia. and when you go out and you attack nato and you attack our

alliances, our allies and you start denigrating major leaders who have made a very significant effort to hold russia accountable, you are really ripping apart something critical to the security of the united states and you are doing president putin's work for him. >> brennan: i do want to ask for your reaction to something that president trump said to cbs news. >> who do you think your democratic opponent will be. >> i dream, i dream about biden, that's a dream. look, joe biden ran three times, he never got more than one percent and president obama took him out of the garbage heap and everybody was shocked that he did. i would love to have it be biden. >> brennan: how do you respond to that? >> well, basically, i prefer not to, to be honest with you. i think it is soges so the so ug of a president of the united states to engage in tha that kif rhetoric. it shows fear or something. i don't know. why the is he picking that at

this point in time when he has major issues he needs to deal with? here is the bottom line. president trump went over to have a much heralded summit with president putin. when he came out of two hours alone with president putin did they announce anything? did they say they had an approach, they were commonly going to work on towards syria? did they say that they were going to do something about the middle east and violence? did they say they had a common approach to counter terrorism? did they say they were going to deal with north korea? any other number of major international issues? no. nothing. not one single positive agenda agreement for moving forward. that is what he is trying to run away from. he wants to have you raising question y just raced with raised with me which is the real question of the moment, nothing about joe biden or what happened in the last campaign and everything. what he does is he is always looking for the diversion. always moving away from the real business of our country, because

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>> brennan: we are back with another look at what is going on inocratic party. last week, we spoke with new york congressman joe crowley who lost his primary in a stunning upset to a political novice. this week, we welcomed the woman who beat him, 28-year-old alexandria ocasio-cortez, who is in kansas campaigning for democratic candidates, along with a very familiar figure in the democratic party, bernie sanders. welcome to "face the nation". it is great to see you both side by side. ms. ocasio-cortez, you have said it was senator sand (bleep) really inspired you to enter the political race in the first place. what is it like for you to be out ther camngng him? >> i mean, it is certainly

surreal. just two years ago we were both in st. mary's park in the south bronx. i was in people across ages, races, cedes, income and to be two years later and be pushing that agenda in kansas is amazing. >> senator sanders, ms. ocasio-cortez still has a november race to win, what vis are you giving her .. >> keep doing what she has cone. she ran an extraordinary campaign. and the reason that she won is she ran on ideas that were relevant to the working people in her district. she put together a strong grass roots campaign and she worked il and candi ameri who is prepao that i think has an excellent chance of winning. >> brennan: let's talk about some of the candidates who are, who are out there right now you are helping to win. this is kansas. this is at least thought of as a

solidly pro trump red state, it voted overwhelmingly for the president in the last election. >> well, margaret i happen to believe passionately that there really is not a blue state red state division in this country .. i think there is a lot of mythology attached to that. people believe that health chair is a right, people believe we should raise the minimum wage to a living wage. people do not think as trump does, that we should give a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the top one percent but in fact we have got to demand that the rich start paying their fair share of taxes. so whether you are in kansas or the bronx or in vermont, we have common interests and common aspirations and we have got to fight for an america that works for all of us, not just the one percent. >> brennan: ands in ocasio-cortez, does that, ms. ocasio-cortez does that bring out, does that populist message bring out new voters. >> it absolutely brings out new voters and we found this out in new york and we expanded the

electorate 68 percent over the last off year midterm primary so for us this is about inspiring people to the polls, giving them something to vote for, creating help for this nation and knowing so long as there are working class americans who believe in a prosperous and just future we will have hope no matter how red the district. >> brennan: last week on this program, we had the man you defeated the new york congressman, joe crowley and he congratulated you on your win. he said you very much deserved it. he also explained two factors he thought that were decisive here. one of them being the year of the woman. he called it and also the timing of the primary. are those factors in your view? >> well, i think that the factors that ultimately created our win was the fact that we had bold commitment and i campaigned on hard commitments of medicare for all, tuition free public college, ensuring a green new

deal for our future, and championing those demographics. we won, we expanded the electorate ourselves. we did the work of organizing. >> brennan: so you reject the idea your gender was a factor here? you know, i think that -- i think that in this moment there is a confluence of factors that makes this moment inspiring. right now, more women than ever are running for office and i do think that women want representation in congress, absolutely, congress right now is 80 percent male, and that creates blind spots in our legislation. it means we don't have family leave, we don't have paid maternal and parental leave and means we don't get the equal pay we want. so i think those issues certainly were important. >> well right now there is a female leader within the democratic party, nancy pelosi, if you were lucky enough to win in november and come here to washington will you support hero

congress first. i need to work on winning my general election. >> brennan: you don't see her as a party leader? >> i mean, she is the current party leader, absolutely and i look forward to be a part of that conversation and winning back the house. there is no decision about the party leader until we win the house first. >> brennan: so you are leaving open the possibility you may endorse her if you win in november? >> yeah. >> brennan: senator sanders vladimir putin was invited to the white house this fall. do you think it should be withdrawn? >> look, the truth is, to comment on anything that trump says, because he can change his mind tomorrow, but i will tell you that i was absolutely outraged by his behavior in in, ere he reallol thamerican p tmp understand what russia as done, not only to

our elections but to cyber attacks against all parts of our infrastructure, i mean he doesn't understand it, or perhaps he is being blackmailed by russia because they may have compromising information the about him or perhaps also you have a president who really does have strong authoritarian at the den sister and neighbor he admires the kind of government that putin is running in russia. and i think all of that is a disgrace and a disservice to the american people, and we have got to make sure that russia does not interfere not only in our elections but in other aspects of our lives. >> brennan: well, picking up campaign and omstonse there ishp administon say, there were concerns or suspicions here of russians spreading anti-clinton messages. how do you protect yourselves in

the next race against something like that happening? >> well, margaret, that is -- margaret, that's a great question. i don't think anyone knows all of the answers but one thing we do know is we need a president who is going to do everything to work with statewide officials all over this country to make sure that when people cast a vote in november in that vote is going to count. congress has allocated money to beef up and strengthen the protection of our electoral system, the president has got to be aggressive in implementing that. we have a lot of work to do but the integrity of american democracy is at stake and we have got to do everything we can to protect the integrity of our election. >> brennan: senator sanders and alexandria ocasio-cortez thank you so much for joining us in this exciting joint interview. good to speak to you both.

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it is time now for some political analysis. jeffrey goldberg is the editor in chief of the atlantic. >> susan page is the washington bureau chief for usa today, ramesh ponnuru is a senior editor for the "national review" and a columnist at bloomberg view and susan glasser writes for "the new yorker" and is a cc -- ccnn analyst. >> ramesh, republicans were critical of president trump's performance in helsinki over the

week, the conversation changed a few times during the week. we have seen this before. this is the fallout going to different this time and does it compel action from other republicans in congress? >> i think we have seen this several times before. we have seen calls for action from republicans that have not been answered and i think that is going to be the case this time. because fundamentally as shocked and appalled as a lot of congressional republicans were and a lot of members of trump's own administration were by helsinki, they also see the polling that shows that 80 percent of republican voters think that helsinki was a success, which is a sign of -- >> brennan: 80 percent? >> which is a sign of how strongly they are supporting president trump, and how much they resent, dislike cci of elly criticism from republicans like i am afraid that is not going to change this time. >> brennan: what gets you to 80 percent? thinking it is a success? when the administration as you heard from senator graham hasn't said what they actually talked about or what was achieved? >> i think that a lot of

like president trump. >> yes and another group of republicans maybe they have some misgivings but when he is being criticized so unfairly by other people, by democrats, by the media as they perceive it, they are going to rally to his defense. >> brennan: susan, do we have a sense of what was agreed to in this meeting? we know that the white house rejected at least one offer on the ukraine. >> well, look, i think there is a direct conflict between the accounts offered by the russians and the very sparse to nonexistent information offered by our own government about what if anything was agreed to. we just heard senator lindsey graham who has been, you know, an on again, offer again usefu al of president trump osayiis so at idea whatfreemenere made. this is astonishing. we are one week out from this meeting, the russians have said there were multiple agreements and president putin himself

said, this his ambassador to washington said there were useful, important agreements that were reached on everything from syria to apparently there were discussions about ukraine. we know that there was this private conversation about possibly handing over americans in exchange for allowing russians to, you know, question or aid the mueller investigation, which was not shot down immediately by president trump. again, astonishing, very incomplete report. president trump has not briefed his own government in the way that any other summit would have been handled. this is really an event without precedent in modern american foreign policy. >> brennan: jeffrey, i mean if you follow what ramesh is saying there, it sounds like the war that national security officials stand up and say they are concerned, that the predeactual. the more that they stand up. >> the truest thing donald trump may have ever said is that he

has followers that if he shot someone on fifth avenue would stay with him. i think we are seeing that every day in many different ways. the second point is, yes, i mean, unprecedented is the word that we keep having to come back to, right? we have a situation in which the intelligence chiefs of the united states and the defense chiefs of the united states don't know what the president said to the russian president, don't know what the russian president said back, and they don't trust the elected president of the united states to advance american interests in these kind of meetings. this is a bad movie, and in many ways, i mean in is some paranoid thriller from the 1970s. in which a week later it is the russians who areg wmeng,nd theent, it ernments meeting between the president of the united states and the russian president. >> brennan: and, susan, how do

you take the political filter off of this? because it sounds like as senator graham laid out there is a constant conflating of issues. there is the intelligence threat, the national security concerns and then there is the president's constant claim of a witch-hunt. and that is where the public seems focused right now. >> you know, i think ramesh is right that there is not a "titanic" change in how voters look at this but i do think this is a week where things begin to change. i think we, we began to see a more, a greater willingness on the part of congress to push back, you saw the senate vote backing up nato and opposing the idea of turning over americans, allowing the russians to question them. and you also -- just the fact that the director of national intelligence and the director of the fbi were willing to do interviews at the aspen conference washink in week it is to say this, i think this was the most 2 -- tumultuous week of

the trump presidency in some ways. >> brennan: we are putting a time stamp on that. >> until next week. the other thing i think is happening is that some of the consequences of the president's policy are coming home on russia, on china, on north korea, things are not -- the president hasn't has had at that chance to implement his policies and not getting the reactions and results he wants so i do -- i feel like things are accelerating in a way, i am not entirely sure where that goes but i don't think this week is like every other week we have had. one interesting thing about the isolation of the president in his own part, in his own administration on this issue is it doesn't, not just that there is a limit to how much putin is possibly getting from this. i think if you step back, you have to say that russia has managed to trig ear kind of hardening of a bipartisan consensus against russia. now of course having a president who is not a part of that consensus in some ways, that complicates the picture, but the fact is, congress and much of

the administration isn't where -- >> listen, he may be a party of one when it comes to american politics, at least on kill hill, be uh in many ways, vladimir putin has already -- he doesn't view things the way we do through american domestic politics he already accomplished much of what he set out to do, first of all by being accorded the status and recognition of a summit with apparently no conditions whatsoever on russia to be welcomed aack effectively into the community of world powers after the -- remember, this started with the illegal annexation of crimea in 2014, that is the first illegal annexation in europe since the end of world war ii, essentially donald trump has now said never mind, it is okay, we are welcoming you back. he said he wanted to invite him back into the g-7, and so number one, putin by merely having in summit i think won a victory, secondly he has basically embarrassed and humiliated the president of the united states. now you can say it was the

president himself who did it, but this is something that has an incalculable goal, now the policy apparatus in the u.s., whether it is on capitol hill with sanctions or they just announced $200 million in additional arms for the ukraine, that seemed to be the defense department bureaucracy's response to the summit, but the fact that that continues on, president putin always has been very savvy in saying what really matters is the word of the president of the united states and that predates donald trump, by the way 0. >> american pile is made by the president of the united states, the president has a lot of authority, you can say there is a hard deposition of partisan concerns around russia, the american president decides foreign policy and by the way, the others keep coming back, 80 percent, the republicans are with him, he gets to make foreign policy, and so putin is getting something out of this. >> you do hear from the justice department this week, susan, though, with deputy attorney general rosenstein coming out

and saying we are going to alert people when they are the victims of foreign government targeting you are seeing the bureaucracy or the infrastructure try to the harden here, but is there a limit to what they can do? >> oh, yeah. there is a limit. there is only so much you can do when the president is running his administration, and an administration on a different track but you can do some things. and i think that the deputy attorney general was a signal of one thing, of not going flu the white house. the white house did not indicate the white house would decide if americans are alerted to future meddling in the elections. and you saw that with dan coats and with chris wray, where you see some officials, i think, trying to stand up in a way we haven't seen before, but there are real limits to what they can do, because as you say, the president is president, and particularly, there is why presidents love foreign policy when they get in trouble at home because they have so much more sway there than they do on domestic affairs. >> we had another report on

friday of past indies discretion of the president, allegedly with with his then attorney, michael cohen, where do we frame this? where do we put this in terms of some of these allegations of the president's past behavior? >> i think the allegations about the president's personal behavior don't have much impact in our system anymore. i don't think people are surprised by them. i think the russia allegations are much more serious to our constitutional system. the one way in which these could be serious is we don't know what else michael cohen knows and may have reeled and taped. it could as lead to criminal violations, there could be criminal cases coming out of this if it involved breaking of campaign finance laws. >> the significance of having the president of the united states if the potentially caught on tape admitting to something in private that publicly they were denying that hearing the

voice of the president himself, if we ever hear this tape lying would be something that, you know, has a potential impact regardless of what the underlying story was so i do agree that it does seem to be, you know, baked into the cake at this moment in time. you know, people have these very, very fixed views. this is a very divisive a time and so it is hard to get people to change their opinion about donald trump and i do think we shouldn't understate potential shock value of hearing whatever the president said on this tape. >> of all the things that could disturb and destabilize donald trump this week all of the criticism, the fact that his lawyer has now evident he turned against him and has tapes and is depressing the most today. >> ramesh, quickly, presidents typically don't touch the justice department, they also donto both of those things. this week. how should people understand the president's comments about how

upset he is with his chairman? >> well, the president expressed frustration because he thinks he is doing a lot to stimulate the economy, and the federal reserve by raising interest rates is acting against that. it is a kind of frustration a lot of presidents have had. typically, though, when presidents have expressed that kind of frustration they prompted a reaction by the fed which wants to guard its independence and sometimes will go more in the direction the president doesn't want them to go for that reason. i think what you have here is the president who doesn't quite understand the norm of leaving the fed alone or the reasons why that norm developed in the first place. >> that is an understatement. >> that is an understatement. >> and any comment, obviously has market implication. >> brennan: thank you to all of you. and we will be back in just a moment. >>

>> brennan: this week, cbs news political correspondent ed o'keefe spoke with four south florida voters two, republicans, one democrat and one independent. the conversation about the trump >> he is supposed to stand for america, the united states, and he didn't do a good job.

i believe he didn't do what was necessary and, yes, he is trying, he is not a politician. but he is trying. >> steve. >> i think the summit in helsinki went very well. i thought the president did a great job. i don't understand these people that start screaming, you know, every time putin's name comes up. i mean, he is some evil bogeyman. i just don't buy it. >> i think that a president trump would find a cure for cancer that the democrats would complain that he put, he might put people out of work. the, what does the media want him to do? put, get up, put gloves on and kick his butt? he is not going to do that. >> i think it was an embarrassment from the moment he landed in europe. he incomtent. he didn't know -- he was not briefed. he could not answer questions properly, as far as the meeting

with putin. i felt that he dishonored us and he mocked us the moment that he put putin ahead of us. >> are you worried at all about russian interference again this fall in the election? >> not at all. not worried about russia and, in our 2018 midterm elections at all. actually, i believe president putin when he said he did not interfere with our elections in 2016. >> so you believe putin. >> i belief putin over our intelligence agencies absolutely. >> why? >> our intelligence agencies under president obama are rife with people on the left, they have their own agenda, and their agenda was to defeat trump and if trump not, and if trump got elected toon>> rans ifed the >> are you worried it is going to happen again? >> i do. >> everyone agrees that not one vote was changed in the 2016 if.

>> not one vote was changed. >> there is not an if. >> you will be able to see more of ed's conversation on our website facethenation.com and on our digital network, cbsn. >> >>

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