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the supreme court nomination of brett kavanaugh. in the hearing room, two great forces dominating our society collided: the "me too" movement against sexual harassment and violence, and hyper-partisan politics. friday, as the senate descended into chaos, one republican and one democrat found a way forward with an old technique that seemed long forgotten: compromise. tonight, in their first interview since the vote, those senators, republican jeff flake of arizona and democrat chris coons of delaware, sit down with us. it was republican flake who forced his party to accept a one week f.b.i. investigation into the assault allegations against judge kavanaugh. >> flake: i don't think anybody expected, you know, what happened on friday to happen. and i can't say that i did either.

i just knew that we couldn't move forward, that i couldn't move forward without hitting the pause button. because, what i was seeing, experiencing-- in an elevator and watching it in committee-- and just thinking, this is ripping our country apart. >> senator, what are you doing, sir? >> pelley: what happened in the elevator? >> flake: people felt very strongly about the hearings and what was going on. >> what you are doing is allowing someone who actually violated a woman to sit on the supreme court. this is not tolerable. >> pelley: flake had just announced that he would vote for the people who felt so strongly were activists, ana maria archila and maria gallagher, who told flake they were survivors of sexual assault. >> look at me and tell me it doesn't matter what happened to me. >> flake: they were clearly

passionate and determined that i hear them. >> i believe he was going to rape me, i tried to yell for help. >> pelley: what the senate judiciary committee heard thursday upended kavanaugh's nomination. >> this is what terrified me the most and has had the most lasting impact on my life. it was hard for me to breathe, and i thought that brett was accidentally going to kill me. >> pelley: dr. christine blasey ford testified that kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were in high school. >> with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%. >> pelley: democrat chris coons and republican jeff flake listened from opposite ends of the dais-- separated by party. but in truth, they were much closer. they had struck up a friendship over the years that bridged mere politics. as you are sitting there listening to dr. ford, what are you hearing?

what are you thinking? >> coons: i'm hearing a very smart, anguished person, who did not what to be testifying in front of us, and, meanwhile, my phone is just blowing up. it was stunning the number of people i heard from during the hearing. that-- it was almost hard to know which to listen to more, because the things coming in were so striking. >> pelley: and they were saying what? >> coons: "you've known me a very long time, and i was raped as a child, and i have never told anyone before right now, and i'm sharing it with you." >> pelley: there's another stream of testimony coming into you at the same time? >> coons: yeah. in the case of the folks i am referring to, powerful testimony from people i know and trust, who had never shared these stories with me before. >> flake: it was just that palpable feeling that this is

history and she was compelling. just extremely compelling and i think everybody said that on both sides. >> pelley: you did or did not believe her? >> flake: well, how could you not? she certainly believes she certainly experienced something, was it brett kavanaugh? he says, "i'm sure she experienced something, but it wasn't me." >> this whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit revenge on behalf of the clintons. and millions of dollars and money from outside left-wing opposition groups." >> pelley: i'd like to ask both of you what you made of judge kavanaugh's very emotional response, and what it may or may not say about his judicial temperament. does this man belong on the supreme court? >> coons: he had exchanges with senator feinstein, with senator klobuchar, with others, that i thought went over a line.

he was clearly belligerent, aggressive, angry. >> pelley: made you wonder about his suitability? >> coons: in my case, yes. >> pelley: but senator flake, you identified with it. you understood-- >> flake: well, it did. it seemed partisan. but boy, i had to put myself in that spot. and-- you can-- you can understand why he was angry. and you know, i think you give a little leeway there. >> pelley: when judge kavanaugh came out swinging, what was that moment like for you? the judiciary committee's democrats include sheldon whitehouse of rhode island and mazie hirono of hawaii. >> hirono: one of the most astounding things that judge kavanaugh did was to blame the democrats for some kind of conspiracy that went on. that we had been plotting all of this. although, thank goodness that he acknowledged that dr. ford was not a part of that conspiracy, that she had no political motive. >> whitehouse: it was really quite astonishing how the tone in the room changed when judge kavanaugh came out explosively

confrontational. >> this confirmation process has become a national disgrace. >> what you want to do is destroy this guy's life. >> whitehouse: and then lindsey graham burst out... >> you said that! >> whitehouse: and just went on his own explosive statement. >> this is going to destroy the ability of good people to come forward, because of this crap! >> whitehouse: we're not just entirely logical people. there are animal spirits in humans, and that's true in senators. >> this man is not a monster! >> whitehouse: and so, when somebody goes into the breach in full on battle mode, if they're not making a fool of themselves, it's a rallying point. and i think you saw that happen in the room. >> to my republican colleagues... >> whitehouse: lindsey rallied the republicans. >> if you vote no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing i have seen in my time in politics. the committee's republican majority includes lindsey graham of south carolina and john

kennedy of louisiana. >> pelley: she said it was brett kavanaugh 100%. >> kennedy: she did, and i believe she is sincere. nobody is going to ever figure out what happened. they're not. something happened to her, and something very, very bad happened to her, and i am very, very sorry. but they both said 100%. she said it happened. judge kavanagh said it didn't 100%, so what do you do? >> pelley: senator graham worries that the senate's constitutional role of "advice and consent" is no longer about the nominee-- it's about the careers of the senators. >> graham: the politics of voting for the supreme court nominees are now about you. it's not about the nominee. it's not about the law. it's about how does it affect you. and you can't blame the democratic party for that. both of us got here. and i don't know if we'll ever get out. but i do not-- i don't want to go where we're headed.

>> pelley: democrat chris coons saw the testimony wearing on his friend, republican jeff flake, and hoped to convince his colleague to compromise on kavanaugh. >> coons: i was outside the hearing room, probably about the same time he was having that conversation in the elevator. and a reporter showed me that jeff had announced he was going to vote for kavanaugh. and i was very upset, i mean, hugely distraught by that, because i was still hoping there might be some moment here. >> pelley: despite flake's announced support of kavanaugh, coons tried to offer a compromise-- the week-long investigation to be led by the f.b.i. >> coons: and i have conveyed to my friends and colleagues that i had wished we would take a one week pause, one week only. >> pelley: when you were making that compromise proposal, you were lobbying your friend, senator flake. you didn't expect to change the minds of other republicans. you were trying to change one mind. >> coons: i was, principally, concerned about helping my friend listen to his doubts and

his conscience. >> pelley: changing one mind was enough, because with the senate divided so narrowly, the republicans could hardly afford to lose flake. >> coons: and i cannot tell you how grateful i am. jeff's the hero here. he's the person who wanted a moment just to-- just to, you know, go over what are the legitimate concerns and grievances by republicans on the committee about the process and the complaints and how we got here. >> pelley: after democratic senator coons floated his compromise, republican jeff flake stood up and walked from the republican side of the dais to the democratic. senator coons, there is a moment in the hearing in which senator flake walks by, essentially taps on your shoulder, and the two of you walk-out. what happened when you walked out of the room? >> coons: i followed jeff into the anteroom, and he said very intently, "this is tearing our country apart."

we have to do something. eventually, we literally had the whole-- the whole committee crammed into this tiny, little hallway. and my recollection was-- jeff, at one point, says, "okay, i want to talk to chris. and we went into, literally, a phone booth that we was like this big, we squeeze in, can barely fit in, talking to another senator and there this whole committee right outside. >> flake: looking in. >> coons: looking in. >> pelley: what are they saying? >> coons: looking in on the phone booth, wondering, "what's going on in there?" >> flake: it was quite a moment. >> pelley: senator flake, you've announced that you're not running for re-election and i wonder, could you have done this if you were running for re- election? >> flake: no. >> pelley: no? >> flake: not a chance. >> pelley: not a chance? because politics has become too sharp, too partireaching across. there's no currency for that anymore. there's no incentive. >> pelley: the senate judiciary

committee says the f.b.i. will look into "current and credible" allegations. one witness who did not appear before the committee is kavanaugh's teenage friend, mark judge, who ford said was in the room during the alleged assault. >> flake: and he has indicated, apparently, that he is ready to cooperate. >> pelley: but what he said in his letter to the committee was that he just couldn't remember. >> flake: the f.b.i. during their investigation will ask questions that maybe will prompt things, or there's-- i think, dr. ford mentioned there was somebody she couldn't remember the name of. it's possible that one of the others they interview, say, "well, no, this was the name." and it will lead to additional interviews that can take place as well. >> pelley: friday, the judiciary committee passed kavanaugh's nomination to the full senate. in a week, the f.b.i. investigation is expected to be given to all 100 senators. and a vote is likely to be scheduled soon after. what are the chances that we are going to be in exactly the same place a week from now? >> flake: there's a chance and we knew that.

and some of our colleagues said that: "we'll be back here one week from now. it'll be worse." "there will be other outrageous allegations that come forward, the f.b.i. will talk to people who don't want to talk anymore. we won't be any better off." there is a chance that that will happen. i do think that we can make progress. >> coons: i think we will be in a different place. because lots of survivors around the country will feel that dr. ford's story was heard and respected and further investigated. we may well be in a different place a week from now, because judge kavanaugh and his family may well have had exculpatory evidence brought forward. >> pelley: if judge kavanaugh is shown to have lied to the committee, the nomination is over? >> oh, yes. i would think so.

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>> whitaker: in the annals of "60 minutes," we have rarely come across a doctor like florida physician barry schultz. prosecutors say he wantonly prescribed and sold massive quantities of highly addictive opioids. in july, schultz was sentenced to 157 years for his role in fueling the most devastating public health crisis of the 21st century. last year, more americans died of drug overdoses than in the entire vietnam war. while schultz ended up in jail, mallinckrodt, the pharmaceutical company that flooded florida with hundreds of millions of oxycodone pills, paid a relatively small penalty. the question now being debated in congress and in federal court is: who is responsible for the opioid epidemic?

the doctors who prescribed the pills or the opioid manufacturers and distributors who supplied them? dr. barry schultz is an inmate at florida state prison, where he will likely be incarcerated until the day he dies. in this, his only interview, schultz said he wanted to go on camera to explain that he has been singled out unfairly. >> schultz: i'm a scapegoat. >> whitaker: you're a scapegoat. >> schultz: i mean, i was one of hundreds of doctors that were prescribing medication for chronic pain. >> whitaker: the prosecutor called you a killer. >> schultz: i see myself as a healer. in my mind, what i was doing was legitimate. >> whitaker: in the early 2000s, schultz was a pioneer on the wild west frontier of pain treatment. doctors, drug dealers, opioid users, and abusers were flocking to florida, where powerful pain pills were being prescribed and dispensed by a new type of business, pain clinics.

>> aronberg: we had more pain clinics in the years 2010 and 2011 than we had mcdonald's, in those years. there was one street in broward county oakland park boulevard that had 31 different pain clinics on the one street. >> whitaker: florida state attorney dave aronberg's office prosecuted barry schultz. he told us pain clinics were loosely regulated medical offices where patients could pick up pills, usually for cash... few questions asked. >> aronberg: you could get the prescription and get the drug right there on the spot. one-stop shopping. people would race down to florida, because we didn't have the same controls as other states. we fed the entire nation's addiction. >> whitaker: this mob scene, shot on a cell phone in 2009, is inside a florida pain clinic-- dozens of patients waiting to get their opioids. schultz operated a clinic like

this in delray beach, where he treated thousands of patients. how would you describe dr. barry schultz? >> aronberg: he was one of the most notorious drug dealers we had. he prescribed an egregious amount of pills to his patients. the numbers would shock the conscience. >> whitaker: d.e.a. records show in 2010, one patient of dr. schultz was prescribed nearly 17,000 of the highest potency oxycodone pills in a seven month period; another got more than 23,000 over eight months. that's more than 100 pills a day. business was so good, schultz was making more than $6,000 a day prescribing and selling opioids to his patients. >> whitaker: the numbers of pills that you were prescribing were astronomical.

who takes that many pills and puts them into their body? what were you thinking? >> schultz: i was thinking that the patient was a genuine patient who had real chronic pain, whose complaints were legitimate, and that i was prescribing medication that they needed. >> whitaker: doctor, you prescribed 1,000 opioid pills to a pregnant woman. i don't think most doctors would prescribe a 1,000 aspirin to a pregnant woman. >> schultz: i would like to stop. >> whitaker: i would just like you to explain your thinking... >> schultz: i would like to stop. this is not what i expected it. i believe it's unfair. >> whitaker: what is unfair, doctor? >> schultz: i am just uncomfortable with-- with these charged questions. >> whitaker: these are questions that people have. this is why you're sitting here, wearing this jumpsuit. ultimately, he agreed to continue. he claimed some of his patients needed extremely high doses of opioids for long periods of time

to alleviate severe, persistent pain. >> schultz: and when i started treating people with chronic non-cancer pain, i felt it was unethical and discriminatory to limit the dose of medication. and if i had known that the overdose incidents had increased dramatically the way it had, i would have moderated my approach. >> whitaker: doctor, how could you have not known? all you had to do was pick up the paper. in 2009, more than 2,900 people died in florida of drug overdoses, mostly from prescribed opioid pills. in one 16 month period, d.e.a. records showed barry schultz dispensed 800,000 opioid pills from his office pharmacy. people have become addicted to these drugs. people have died-- >> schultz: okay. >> whitaker: --because of these drugs. people in your practice died from overdoses of opioids.

>> schultz: a person. >> whitaker: one is enough. >> tain: that monster ended my son's life. >> whitaker: carol tain's son, david, went to dr. schultz for pain management after a car accident. schultz prescribed an assortment of pain pills even after david became addicted. in 2010, david died of an overdose of opioids prescribed by dr. schultz. so, should dr. schultz have prescribed these pain pills to him? >> tain: no. he didn't even examine him. he hadn't seen him in four-and- a-half years. he just-- just wrote-- wrote out these scripts. as far as i'm concerned, he's a murderer and-- and not a doctor. he murdered my son. he-- he didn't need a gun. he used his pen to murder my son. >> whitaker: schultz says he was inspired to prescribe high doses of opioids after attending a

lecture by this man, dr. russell portenoy, who was the influential president of the american pain society. portenoy traveled around the country giving lectures and made promotional videos, like this one in 2000, touting opioids as wonder drugs-- urging doctors to use them aggressively to relieve pain. >> portenoy: the likelihood that the treatment of pain using an opioid drug, which is prescribed by a doctor, will lead to addiction is extremely low. >> whitaker: but ten years later, as opioid addiction exploded, doctor portenoy said he had been part of a broad campaign funded by pharmaceutical companies to encourage the widespread use of opioids. >> portenoy: i gave innumerable lectures in the late 1980s and 1990s, in which i said things about addiction that weren't true. >> whitaker: he said he believed at the time he was operating in good faith and was not unduly influenced by the pharmaceutical industry, still he has been named in dozens of lawsuits.

dr. russell portenoy? he was paid by the drug companies and has said that there is no proof that these-- that high doses of opioids are effective in treating chronic pain. >> schultz: that may be true. but there is a doctor-- >> whitaker: it is true. so, there's no science to back up what you were doing. >> schultz: there's only anecdotal information. >> whitaker: i-- i guess what i found troubling is... your lack of acceptance that what you did was wrong. >> schultz: i don't believe it was wrong. >> whitaker: when you're giving somebody 60 oxycodone a day, how could they not abuse it? >> schultz: sixty a day is a large number, i admit. >> whitaker: that's a very large number. >> schultz: but if it's taken properly-- >> whitaker: how can you take 60 oxycodone a day properly? >> schultz: some people need that dose.

>> whitaker: there is no scientific evidence to support that claim. with so many opioids prescribed by schultz and other unscrupulous doctors, pills started flowing into the streets and resold for profit-- what the d.e.a. calls, "diversion." 66% of all the oxycodone in florida came from just one company: mallinckrodt, one of the country's largest opioid suppliers. florida state attorney aronberg told us, between 2008 and 2012, the company flooded the state with pain pills. >> aronberg: mallinckrodt sent 500 million oxycodone pills to the state of florida, a state with a population of 20 million people. we're talking about enough pills to give every resident of florida 25 oxycodone pills. >> whitaker: how is that possible? >> aronberg: i mean, you're talking about enough pills to create an entire state of addicts.

>> whitaker: internal justice department documents, obtained by "60 minutes," reveal that "mallinckrodt's own data on barry schultz indicated that he was purchasing large amounts of oxycodone in a suspicious pattern indicating diversion." yet, the company kept shipping the drugs to the distributor it knew was supplying schultz. the company's behavior was so flagrant, it triggered a d.e.a. investigation led by jim rafalski. >> whitaker: so what role does mallinckrodt play in this opioid crisis? >> rafalski: they're responsible. >> whitaker: they are responsible. >> rafalski: it-- especially for the conduct in florida. >> whitaker: that's a big statement. >> rafalski: how can you not be responsible? how could you walk away from 500 million pills to a geographic area like the size of florida, and knowing at the time, this was occurring, there was an opioid crisis there? that wasn't a secret.

>> whitaker: rafalski, now an expert witness for states and municipalities suing drug companies, told us his team identified almost 44,000 orders mallinckrodt should have reported as suspicious, which the government says the company is required to do by law. rafalski says mallinckrodt reported none. but when d.e.a. investigators handed their evidence to the justice department, government lawyers, fearing a long uncertain legal battle, decided not to pursue the case in court, but to settle instead. >> whitaker: if you'd have gone after mallinckrodt for everything you saw them doing, what would the fine have been? >> rafalski: 2.4 billion dollars. >> whitaker: and the actual fine was? >> rafalski: 35 million. >> whitaker: the penalty amounted to less than one week of the company's annual revenue. mallinckrodt declined to do an on-camera interview, but told us it never sold oxycodone directly

to dr. schultz, only to distributors. in a press release, the company denied it violated any applicable laws, but said going forward, it would analyze all internal data and identify suspicious sales. both the trump and obama administrations have sent hundreds of doctors to jail for their roles in the opioid crisis. so far, not one executive of an opioid manufacturer or distributor has been sentenced to a single day in jail. >> now, call to order. >> whitaker: but now, the pharmaceutical industry is coming under scrutiny. in may, a congressional committee called the heads of the five leading drug distributors, the middlemen, that ship the pain pills from manufacturers like mallinckrodt to drug stores around the country. mississippi congressman greg harper asked if they were complicit in causing the drug crisis.

>> do you believe that the actions that you or your company took contributed to the opioid epidemic? mr. barrett? >> no, sir, i do not believe we contributed to the opioid crisis. >> dr. mastandrea? >> yes. >> only one of the five said yes. >> whitaker: now, this house committee has launched an investigation into mallinckrodt and other drug manufacturers. the justice department has formed a task force targeting opioid manufacturers and distributors. >> you were convicted of 55 counts of drug trafficking. >> whitaker: as for barry schultz, shortly after our interview, he received a final sentence-- 157 years-- the longest sentence of anyone so far in this opioid crisis. [ beep ] first man is "the best movie of the year."

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maybe it's because it's nearly impossible to try and find something new or surprising to talk to sir paul mccartney about. how do you jostle a new memory from a beatle who, over the decades, may be the most written-about person on the planet? well, as the beatles' "white album" is about to turn 50 years old, we decided to go for it. mr. mccartney was funny, and reflective, as we used rare photos and film to walk him through some very personal beatles stories, and wondered who, at the age of 76, he is still trying to impress. but let's start with a bit of a revelation-- the man who has sold an estimated billion records, and may be rock and roll's best bass player... can't write or read music. >> paul mccartney: it's-- it's embarrassing. >> alfonsi: is that true? >> mccartney: i don't read music or write music. none of us did, in the beatles. we did some good stuff, though. but none of it was written down by us. it's basically notation. that's the bit i can't do.

because i don't see music like that. i don't-- >> alfonsi: that's interesting. you don't see music like that? >> mccartney: yeah, i don't see music as dots on a page. it's something in my head that goes on. >> ♪ one, two, three, four! >> alfonsi: from his first countdown, on their first song, off their first album, that "something" has translated globally and across generations. >> ♪ i won't let you down so you don't need to shout ♪ >> alfonsi: today, mccartney is still seeing music in his head. how do you feel about this one? >> mccartney: i'm proud of it. i like this one. ( ♪ "come on to me" ) >> alfonsi: this one, mccartney's latest album, "egypt station," just debuted at number one. when you are writing these songs, who are you trying to impress? >> mccartney: ahaha. everyone. i suppose-- >> alfonsi: that's a tall order. >> mccartney: yeah. well, that is an impossible order, you're right. it doesn't stop me trying.

>> alfonsi: but don't people always say, "i love it, paul. you're wonderful." >> mccartney: that-- that is a occupational hazard. ♪ ♪ >> alfonsi: we spent two days with macca, as friends have called him since liverpool, touring his relic-filled recording studio on the south english coast. >> mccartney: this was at abbey road. >> alfonsi: uh-huh? >> mccartney: and this is-- like, the fireman rushes in. ( ♪ "penny lane" ) >> alfonsi: and we were surprised to find paul mccartney, at 76, seems to feel the same need to prove himself as he did when he was a teenager. >> mccartney: i think people worry about things. and it doesn't matter how elevated you get, or your reputation gets, you still worry about things. i mean, i'm sure-- >> alfonsi: what are you worried about? what else do you have to prove? >> mccartney: i've heard people say that about me. oh, you know, he wants to be liked. but i'm going, doesn't everyone? >> alfonsi: do you worry more now than you used to? >> mccartney: no, it's just who i am, maybe. you know, for instance, when

we'd done, we were now famous with the beatles and we had done "revolver," one of the early beatle records, and-- i got the horrors one day. i thought it was out of tune. i thought the whole album was out of tune. i listened to it and for some reason, just, like, oh my god. and i went to the guys, i said, "it's out of tune. it's out of-- i don't know what we're going to do." you know? and they said-- and they got a bit worried and listened to it. they said, "no, it isn't." i go, "oh, okay." >> ♪ i hope you're having fun >> alfonsi: we were with mccartney as he prepared to tour, warming up with some surprise shows, including this one, at liverpool's cavern club. >> ♪ band on the run >> alfonsi: the beatles played this club almost 300 times, and while mccartney's fans know every word to "hey jude," "yesterday," and "band on the run," we were surprised who didn't-- >> mccartney: when i'm doing shows, i listen to a lot of

music, beatles music, wings music, to see what ones we're going to do. and to learn them. >> alfonsi: yeah. what do you mean, you've forgotten them? >> mccartney: yeah. >> alfonsi: really? >> mccartney: there's too many. too many words. ( laughs ) too many notes. they're very hard. i mean, you know, it's not like they're all three chords. >> ♪ i'll pretend that i'm kissing the lips i am missing ♪ >> alfonsi: mccartney is at least a co-author of rock and roll's constitution. >> ♪ maybe i'm amazed at the way you-- >> alfonsi: credited with a stunning 29 number-one hits-- >> ♪ you write me when i'm wrong >> mccartney's work has been covered by icons from almost every musical genre. >> ♪ you and me-- >> alfonsi: famously, john lennon and paul mccartney became songwriting partners as teenagers. one: a full-throated, lyrical rock and roller. the other: a musical polymath with a gift for melody and

experimentation. ♪ ♪ those first flute-toned notes on "strawberry fields," john lennon's masterpiece, were mccartney's idea. >> ♪ let me take you down 'cause i'm going to-- >> alfonsi: were you guys competitive, writing with each other? or did you complement each other? >> mccartney: me and john? yeah, we were competitive, yeah. not openly, but we-- we later admitted, "yeah, you know, so paul's written a good one there, i better get going." and i would similarly-- "hmm, that's a bit good, right, here we go, come on." if he'd have written "strawberry fields," i would write "penny lane." you know, and it's-- he's remembering his old area in liverpool, so i'll remember mine. >> alfonsi: and when that happened, did you compliment each other? >> mccartney: once... >> alfonsi: one time? >> mccartney: ...john gave me a compliment. >> alfonsi: in how many years? ( laughter ) >> mccartney: it was only once, the whole time. no, i think it was "revolver,"

but it was "here, there and everywhere," was-- was one of my songs on it. >> ♪ here, making each day of the year ♪ >> alfonsi: and-- but john says, just when it finishes, "that's a really good song, lad. i love that song." i was like, "yes, he likes it." you know, and i-- i've remembered it to this day. it's pathetic, really. >> alfonsi: did you ever heap praise on him? >> mccartney: yeah, i would tell him his stuff was great. you'd normally have to be a little bit drunk. it helped. >> alfonsi: you don't need to be a beatle fan to appreciate the importance of this part of london. for tourists, it rivals big ben, or trying to catch a glimpse of the royal grandkids. abbey road studios, where paul, john, george, and ringo, along with producer george martin, began denting pop culture, first with jangly, flirty harmonies. >> ♪ but she don't care ( ♪ "hey bulldog" )

>> alfonsi: and later, by exploring, then defining, what music could be. >> ♪ blackbird singing in the dead of night ♪ >> alfonsi: but during tense sessions for what would become the "white album," 50 years ago, the beatles, still only in their 20s, began breaking apart. >> ♪ you were only waiting for this moment to arrive ♪ >> mccartney: i love this picture. yeah, this is very special for me, this series. because after the beatles broke up, i kind of got accused of being "the one that broke them up," and that we always had terrible relationships. so this always reminds me of how happy we were together. i'm checking some lyrics or something. and it's just great the-- the way john's sort of just smiling. we're obviously just two mates, you know. >> alfonsi: taking the pictures was paul's first wife, the late linda mccartney. her photos, from "life in photographs," are intimate and historic.

>> mccartney: we were in the studio downstairs putting finishing touches to the album. and-- we had another title going on that we didn't really like. so i just said, "hey, why don't we just call it 'abbey road?' and what we could do, we just go right outside, walk across the crossing. ( slaps ) it's done." you know, and it was like, "yeah, okay." everyone agreed. so... >> alfonsi: where-- where were your shoes? >> mccartney: i had sandals on. but i just left them over here to the left, because it was a very hot day. this is outside abbey road, after we'd made the abbey road crossing picture. and i remember talking to john about his taxes. someone had said to me, "you better warn him, because he doesn't know what's going on." >> alfonsi: about taxes. that's why you have this glum look on your face? >> mccartney: ( laughs ) that's maybe why he's got the glum look. i've got the, "i need to talk to you about your taxes" look. >> alfonsi: what about this one? >> mccartney: this is in our back garden. and, yoko's in it. and you could see by the looks

on our faces, all-- all except john, we're kind of going-- "why is she in the beatles' photo?" >> alfonsi: but how did that happen? >> mccartney: because-- how did what? >> alfonsi: that she was allowed in the photo? >> mccartney: because they were madly in love, and john wanted to take her everywhere. i think none of us dared say, "john, you know..." but we all felt it. so, it was a bit awkward for us, i must admit. >> alfonsi: this is my very favorite photograph. >> mccartney: oh, yeah. that little baby in my jacket now has four children of her own. >> alfonsi: mccartney credits his love of family and music to his father, jim, who raised paul after his mother died when he was just 14. today, the man who wrote "mother nature's son" has four grown children, a 14-year-old daughter and eight grandchildren. we also showed mccartney what amounted to home video of the beatles... >> mccartney: here we are. it's cold.

and we're coming out. >> alfonsi: ...from their last live performance together. >> mccartney: there's me testing the roof. >> alfonsi: the apple roof top concert in london. ( ♪ "get back" ) >> mccartney: now, that's the thinou good little band. >> ♪ jojo was a man who thought he was a loner ♪ but he knew it couldn't last >> alfonsi: sounds pretty good. >> mccartney: it does, yeah. >> ♪ get back get back ♪ >> alfonsi: million dollar business conflicts and creative differences were carrying a lot of weight. but watch them try and hold back smiles as they rock through a song they wrote as teenagers. i think you see it here. >> ♪ say move over once move over twice ♪ come on baby, don't be cold as ice ♪ she said she's traveling on the one after 909 >> alfonsi: that doesn't look like a band about to break up. that look between you two-- >> mccartney: yeah, i know. it's funny, isn't it, yeah. it was when the business crept in and it got a bit sticky, you know. it never got really that bad. but we do-- we ended up bitching at each other from afar, you know.

>> alfonsi: the business part of things worked out pretty well for mr. mccartney-- he's worth more than a billion dollars. but for the last seven years, he says his good fortune is due to his wife, nancy, an american, who he calls beautiful and real. though, he realizes it's probably tricky being married to one of the most famous faces on earth. >> mccartney: just being recognized by everyone-- i mean, you don't always need that. it's-- it's a very difficult thing, you know, because you-- you don't want to sort of be mean to them, because they're nice people, they genuinely like you. but you have to draw the line. these days, everyone's got a camera. >> alfonsi: everyone has a camera-- >> mccartney: so-- so the first thing, when i see people, they go-- and they're not-- they can't say anything. they just go-- "we'll do a picture"-- "no," i say, and i say, "i'm sorry, i don't do pictures, but i'm very happy to shake your hand and we'll have a chat."

>> alfonsi: no selfies? who cares? ♪ ♪ the headline is, if you meet paul mccartney, you can have a chat ! and who doesn't want to have a chat with a beatle? >> ♪ lady madonna, children at your feet ♪ >> alfonsi: or listen to one, on his new world tour. >> ♪ make ends meet >> alfonsi: where are you most content? when are you most content? >> mccartney: i live on a farm in england, it's about 20 minutes from here. and for me, it's great, because i can be in, like, australia, playing to 40,000 people two days before. now i'm back on the farm and i'm on my horse, and we're going into the woodsd le b- ( whistl ) birds singing. so, that is very satisfying, and it's a great balance. >> alfonsi: what's the biggest misconception about you? >> mccartney: i don't know, really. i don't-- i don't hear about them. i don't know what people think about me.

i can-- i can try and guess. i'll-- i'll-- i'll tell you what, "you must have no insecurities." just like anyone else, you have insecurities. because everyone has them. and no matter how high and great and wonderful you get, there's still something will make you worry. >> alfonsi: were you ever just going to go, "i'm good, i did it all?" >> mccartney: i would like to think i could do that. but i think it would be boring, and i think i'd sort of give up trying. and i quite like that i don't think i've done good enough yet. >> alfonsi: imagine that, paul mccartney won't just let it be. >> we'll see you next time! ( cheers and applause )

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