>> dickerson: well woman back to "face the nation." we continue our conversation with iranian foreign minister javad zarf about the deteriorating relationship with the united states. >> today he wants to talk to president rouhani. he says he is corrupt. he says he's a lovely man. sen he says -- let's be serious. >> dickerson: but you know, you've seen what happened with north korea he said a number of very become bass stick things now there is talks. >> but there is no outcome. dickerson: any chance that -- no. until he -- president trump hasn't decided. dictator, lovely man.

that this is respectable, trustworthy partner in negotiations. negotiations are not based on trust. negotiations are based on respect, based on an expectation that to comply with the decision that is undertaken. >> dickerson: do you make of secretary of state, mike pompeo. >> what should i make of him. he's made all the wrong moves against iran. i believe he has made major mistakes about that region. i believe -- seriously, i believe the united states needs to review its policy with regard to our region. >> dickerson: president trump targeted iran repeatedly to the

u.n. general assembly. >> i think it's not a sign of strength his making all those statements. he convened the meeting of the security council to bash, in the end they bashed his decision to walk away. so unfortunately the united states has managed to isolate itself in the world. >> dickerson: president rouhani said that president trump has tendencies resembling a nazi disposition, what does that me mean? >> well, i mean, the xenophobic the tendencies, the wall, muslim ban traveling to the united states all of these are reminiscent of the type of mentality. >> dickerson: secretarsecretarye mike pompeo responded quite forcefully with that. >> he's always forceful. forceful does not mean logical. >> dickerson: he said for foreholocaust denying country that is threatening israel to compare to nazis a among most

outrageous things i have ever heard. >> as i said, being forceful is not being logical. iran has stated very clear that we reject the killing of innocent people, no matter what numbers, no matter by who. of course. >> dickerson: happened and -- of course it did. and a huge number of people died. huge number of innocent people died. but it does not justify depriving others of their homeland. it does not justify -- in the territory of other people. it does not justify why they think the right to palestinian. the holocaust cannot be used as

justification with an apartheid policy in palestine. >> dickerson: you have talked a bout mutual respect, if ever there was a conversation with united states and iran. when trump has a tendency of nazis who are responsible for killing so many innocent jews how can you have mutual respect? >> if you just put insults that president trump against iran, and president rouhani cannot get close with what he has done with us. even in his speech to the general assembly. >> dickerson: even compared them to the organization that killed six million jews. >> he's the man who separated children from their mothers. >> dickerson: it was not incineration of six million people because of their religi religion. >> he didn't call him -- he said these are behaviors exhibiting the same type of approach. >> dickerson: in america we'd call that weasel words. he's using the word nazi.

>> well it's a mentality. needs to be averted. it's a mentality, it's an approach, iranians in large numbers on september 11th, 20 2001, holding candlelight to mourn the death of americans. the same iranians cannot come here to the united states to see their kids and grandkids. we have received negative response from the united states government. the current government u unreasonably destroyed u unreasonably an agreement that had been worked on for so many years. so i think we are the ones who should be complaining. president trump in his televised

statement has insulted iranians, he called the entire iranian people a terrorist nation. he called us an outlaw nation. don't take that lightly. >> dickerson: all right. mr. prime minister, thank you so much. >> good to be with you. dickerson: we'll be right back with our political panel. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. that's it? everybody two seconds! "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. there's nothing small about your business. with dell small business technology advisors, you get the one-on-one partnership to grow your business. the dell vostro 14 laptop. get up to 40% off on select pcs. call 877-buy-dell today.

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>> dickerson: we'd like welcome our panel now for political 'al say on the remarkable week. molly ball is national political correspondent fore"time" magazine. michael gerson is a "washington post" columnist. and jan crawford is cbs news chief legal correspondent. we've been at the table all week together. michael, start with you. where are we at the end of this week? >> i think american politics have big narratives about #metoo and political ambush on the part of the democrats. but when you actually watched hw human beings, seldom see in political life people that are exposing their deepest selves on television.

and so, you know, in the case of dr. ford, after her testimony i felt emotionally, this is over. there's no way that they can go forward with kavanaugh given the credibility of what was said. and then i saw kavanaugh who acted like a man who was deeply wronged and was credible in that sense, even being a little out of control. as you might be in a circumstance like that. and so, everyone is now going to the fbi because it's the only respected institution left in our public life. and they're probably not going to solve this matter. it's going to be interesting how do people make their choices. >> dickerson: that's exactly right. molly, where are we? >> in practical terms, the senate is in a state of sort of suspended animation. there were enough senators who did feel that the fbi might be

able to bring some clarity to this. but i think the senator flake and others were convinced that there were at least enough outstanding questions that may be evidence could either be surfaced or at least be ruled out, existence of potential evidence that they could go out and look for. so everything is going to hinge on what if anything this investigation finds. you know, senator flake this wasn't just about the two witnesses or this particular partisan battle he said this is about trying to bring the country together. because for him the way that it had deinvolved into this pitched partisan battle that seemed to be without regard for what the underlying truth was, that is what bothered him more than anything. there were other republican senators who agreed with that who felt that they wanted more clarity before going forward and that clarity could be in one direction or the other, but in a week's time potentially they

will feel better about whichever vote they decide to take. >> dickerson: a tough job for the fbi to make people feel better in one week. >> i think that's not going to happen. it's a mistake to think that the fbi report will really change anyone's mind. i think democrats are not going to be satisfied with it they're going to say it was too limited, they needed more witnesses, needed more time. we need another hearing. to hear from some of these witnesses and republicans are never going to agree to that with the real memories of 1991 and justice thomas on their minds. we can't under state the impact that has had on the distrust you see in this committee and how that was handled in 1991 by the democrats. so the question then becomes, what difference does it make to those three moderate republica republicans, jeff flake, susan collins and lisa mr. company s ski. my sense that the fbi report gotten thesetenter oath that mig th sl we did do fbi investigation. that is now something they can check off.

>> dickerson: molly, what jan said makes sense that you have the republicans here who were inclined to vote for judge kavanaugh anyway, after a week doesn't it have to be a piece of evidence so big, he was inclined to go in this direction, but this blocked me, is that what the test? >> i would add there's couple of moderate democrats hanging in the balance as well. and that was senator flake's hope if enough clarity could be brought to this or at least run to ground that democrats and republicans who find themselves caught in the middle, yes. majority of democrats have made up their minds and are going to vote against this nomination no matter what. and majority of republicans have made up their minds and are going to vote to confirm almost no matter what. but there are enough in the middle in that small bipartisan caucus of swing votes and senator flake's hope by bringing those people together we could show -- one could show the nation that this was not nearly a partisan process.

>> add the fbi investigation, extent is still up in the air. i talked to senator flake this morning they are still negotiating with don mcgahn and determining what is going to be talked to in the event of the pool, of who is going to be talked to. that could add additional information. i'm not sure it's going to determine what happened in that room that they're talking about. but it could certainly add support to one side or another, it's possible. i agree that these senators, like senator collins really likes kavanaugh. she has told other people that it was one of the best judicial interviews she's ever had when they talked. there is a predisposition here among republicans to go -- unless there's something decisive. >> dickerson: one of the other avenues that some democrats are talking about is that judge kavanaugh made a lot of assertions about how much he drank, his behavior, that there are classmates in high school and in college who challenged those claims.

that's not about 36 years ago that's claims he's making now in the hearing room. do you think they have any ground there because their argument this goes to his credibility, can't be a judge if he's not telling us the truth now. >> the way i see that it goes back to his demeanor in this hearing. and to your point that he was outraged. at times indignant. and as some people said he came across as belligerent but this was a man who said, this is my life. this is the life i have lived the last 36 years, i've put up countless character witness including from high school that this was my behavior. we are sitting here talking about people i don't know or remember from high school or college, it was almost like incredulous that this was the conversation. i would not expect any of that to come up in an fbi report when you're going to try to find -- that's knotted what the fbi's role in this. it's an interesting world that we're in right now if we're going to have politicians on capitol hill able to instruct

the fbi to go and in investigate whether or not someone's roommate in college believes that they drank. there's no allegation of criminal miss doing here, no jurisdiction for the fbi. that is supposed to be done as a confidential fbi background check for supreme court nominee. i feel we need to remember what is the point of the fbi, what is the role of the fbi and how comfort a lable are we having politician give fbi this wide ranging authority to investigate any behavior in someone's background once they put themselves up for public servi service. a different load that we're going on. >> dickerson: michael, we are having a big large cull curl moment as well. is it possible to say i believe what dr. ford said, i believe that woman don't immediately report, all of the things that have been very much in the news yet a standard of proof is not been met i'm going to vote for judge kavanaugh. >> i think that is what senator flake may end up and some other people in that position of sa saying this was credible testimony, that there's precedent here that as -- based

on one accusation without contemporaneous cooperation. that you can't make this decision based on that. i think a lot of republicans will be in that situation. i do think a lot of people in public life, imagine themselves in the same circumstance. of being accused. >> and mothers with sons. and grandmothers with -- it's not -- sisters with brothers. i think it's a mistake that think this is how women see the this. >> dickerson: imagination is different than the facts which is there are more unreported sexual assaults than are men publicly accused. there are acute examples but the balance of the fact tends to go to people who are -- who have been sexually assaulted and don't talk about it. if that is the case, mollys there a risk politically for someone who says, look, something has not been proved here that democrats will say,

you're missing the central poi point. that to understand the experience of women is to believe them when they say these things. >> well, you know, i think the bigger picture politically is that, there were many who saw themselves in the shoes of judge kavanaugh, there were also a lot of american women who were strongly compelled by dr. ford. and the emotional outpouring that you saw all across the country, people calling in to their members of congress, people watching transfixed on screens all across the country, this hearing, it was a wrenching and emotional occasion for america. i think it's one that we're going to look back on as a cultural touch stone for years to come. in political terms we're going into a mid term election had this never occurred there was already election about women's anger and women's voices and about a female-driven backlash to all of the cultural and political currents of the day. this only drives that further, it's almost absurdly fitting

that this should be the sort of final political controversial before this year as election. >> dickerson: as michael said the tribes have their narratives out of this. we'll have to leave it there. thanks to all of you. we'll be back in a moment.

>> dickerson: we're joined by author michel lewis his latest book "the fifth risk" takes readers in side the transition of power from the obama administration to the trump administration. welcome. >> thank you. dickerson: what is the fifth risk? >> it's the short answer to that, the short answer and long answer. short answer is, the risk that you don't imagine. the unknown unknowns as donald rumsfeld put it. if you think of the federal government, one way of thinking about it, basic job to keep us safe. and one way of thinking is that portfolio of risk that is managing. any given time it's focused on a few of them. there are dozens of others, and we're not thinking about them. you have administration like this administration that's not terribly concerned with the running of the federal government, really negligent the way it's going about it. what happened to all those other risks. >> dickerson: explain to people what you mean by federal government. people would hear, well donald

trump says that i'm cut knowledge regulation, doing all these things. >> federal government two million people and enormously complicated enterprise. it gets me going on the subject is, the obama administration devoted the lives of about a thousand people over the course of the year to prepare briefings for whoever was going to run the federal government to come in the day after the election and learn about what's going on in the department of energy or department of education. lot of this is not ideological. what problems are we dealing with in the center of disease control. and how do we deal with the ebola crisis. respecting whoever was elected to show up in the hundreds. the day after election no one showed. a week after the election no one shows. many of the briefings never happened. so the trump administration i think from day one, the starting

from a position of ignorance. you have the iranian foreign minister on and trump came in decided to blow up the deal with iran. where would you go in the federal government after you're elected to understand the importance of that deal. you go to believe it or not the energy department where there are physicists who will explain to you why that deal ensure that iran will not be able to build a nuclear bomb. people in the energy department where by the way they tend the the@the nuclear arsenal waited for months for spin to show up to explain what they did. to this day the government has never properly been handed over. >> dickerson: it's like enormous corporate take over where company doing the taking over doesn't have the experience and doesn't know the job. >> if so, dismissive of the job that trump himself turned to chris christi who he had handled

the transition, if we win we can learn in two hours as victory party. this is a problem. >> dickerson: the things that people don't think of when they think of the government that you spent so much time. >> i was in position where i wad drop a writer and come away a riveting story of risks you do not appreciate. that you should appreciate. commerce department, poorly misnamed should be called the department of data. the census is there, lot of the economic statistics -- dash statistics and weather and climate data is there like how do we get a picture of ourselves and our environment. and the trump administration has basically neglected the vast majority of it, the weather service. it's filled with really interesting people who are weather geeks.

they have transformed weather prediction over the last 30 years. why you aren't going to get hit by a hurricane without knowing, you can thank them for it. all because of the collection of data. they put someone in there who is trying to shut down essentially the public's access to the data that the weather service i generates. >> dickerson: reason people should care, these people that you write about deal with the long term problem and politics forces politicians to only deal with what happens in five minutes. >> look at your show. dealing with whatever happened that day or that week. what we got here is, portfolio of very long term risk that if the federal government doesn't do it or manage it well, it's the only tool. we we have to shift the narrative. narrative has been for a generation that this thing, federal government is just like burden in the society. it is a society. if it does not function well,

we're doomed. trump in this sense is kind of just a symptom not a cause. decades and decades of rust have accumulated on this machine and he's come in with a sledge hammer -- hammer, what risks do we run as society if we let him do what he's doing. >> dickerson: seems that you're making counter argument that ronald reagan used to joke that is funniest laugh line is i'm from the government and i'm here to help you. they are here to help. >> i think -- if you were to money ball american society and try to identify where people are really radically misvalued is in the public sector right now. we are radically mis valuing the public, especially federal level and like private sector does all the interesting stuff and engine of economic growth. not true. all the basic science is under the internet, microsoft windows,

gps, on and on. it all starts with programs of federal government that are now in peril. >> dickerson: michel lewis, have to end it there. we'll be right back. ...one of the toughest parts is the search for a job that takes advantage of the skills you've gained while serving. you can now search with the phrase 'jobs for veterans' directly on google... ...and then enter your military occupational specialty code. google brings together job openings from across the web that match the skills you gained in your military role. just click to apply and use your experience to guide your future. 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico. goin' up the country. later, gary' i have a motorcycle! wonderful. ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪

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