captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: it's sunday, november 25th. i'm margaret brennan, and this is "face the nation." the new week begins with talks between the u.s. and mexico to keep asylum seekers south of the border. this just days after president trump said he authorized the u.s. military to use lethal force to stop a caravan of migrants, an action critics challenge as unconstitutional. >> you're dealing with a minimum of 500 serious criminals. i'm not going to let the military be taken advantage of. >> brennan: and in the final weeks of the republican-controlled congress, a house committee has subpoenaed fired f.b.i. director james comey for a second round of closed-door questioning, a

summons that comey says he'll fight.ht ivanka trump used a private e-mail for white house business. house oversight chairman trey gowdy of south carolina will break it all down with us.ar-a-, president trump drew an unusual rebuke from chief justice john roberts after lashing out on a judge who voted against his asylum party. >> ninth circuit, everyone knows it's totally out of control. >> brennan: and the president stands behind crown prince al mohammad despite u.s. intelligence. we'll ask maine senator angus king what he can tell us after being briefed by the sigh yeah. and vermont senator bernie sanders joins us to talk about his new book and the government's balk shell black friday climate change report. and we'll take a look at the past, present, and future of the u.s. sprais program. prepare for liftoff. that's all coming up on "face the nation."

good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we begin today with republican congressman trey gowdy, who leads the main investigative committee of the house of episode ofurvivor. representatives. david vs. cbs. he joins us this morning from cbs sports, your 2018 home of greenville, south carolina. welcome back the "face the nation." march madness, the masters, the you've been busy over the pga championship, pga tour, holiday. we know that, congressman. s.e.c. football, the nfl. a subpoena was sent to fired f.b.i. director james comey calling for him to testify and february 3, super bowl liii. before your committee. he's objecting to the format, james: week 12 in the nfl. saying this has to be in public. boomer: there is tom brady. it can't be in private because making his 35th start today information will be selectively against the new york jets. leaked. i know on this program in the 26-8 all-time including leak le the gossip girls. playoffs. 12-4 it at the meadowlands and he gets rob gronkowski back do you think that comey's right today. nate: lamar jackson rushed for to object? the most yards ever by a ravens q.b. but no rush right now >> you know, margaret, i don't signing autographs for his fans get a chance to say this verys , before the game. bill: baker mayfield last four games. whether f.b.i. is doing it, or nibe touchdowns. two interceptions tried to lead whether the congress is doing the bronx to consecutive wins it. the remedy for leaks is not to for the first time since 2014. have a public hearing where you are supposed to ask about 17 phan months worth of work in five minutes.

i think the remedy is to videotape the deposition. videotape the transcribed interview. that way the public can see whether the question was fair. they can judge the entirety of the answer. but there is no fact finder on the the planet that tries to -minutencrements, and i can't think of one that does it on national television. so we have to do it the same way we've handled every other i think leaks undercut the authenticity of an investigation, but the remedy is not to have a professional wrestling type carnival atmosphere, which is what professional hearings have become. >> brennan: how would a changed -- taped deposition change that? his concern is this is going to be political grandstanding. >> well, people acterer'tin the room. trust me when i say that. there are very constructive

interviews when there is no camera. and the chairman can decide. what i would propose is videotape that interview from pillar to post. scrub it for classified information in case somebody inadvertently asks or answers, and then release it to the public. release the entire interview, but do not make members of congress question someone cost hillary n republicansaestionr, d noa us 1onths worf siing toiv mdon'tnow why can. nnan: ishat a fr mry? w theai aa offer. i think bob goodlat hates leaks as much as i do, so he does not do it, but he also is not going to let jim comey -- by the way, f.b.i. has never cujted an interview in public. so the notion that jim comey all

of a sudden loves public interviews, he hasn't done it his entire career, so bob goodlat will decide, it won't be kim -- jim comey. >> brennan: you also put in a request to the white house about why ivanka trump, the president's daughter, was using private e-mail for government business. people remember you well for the probe into benghazi which helped to uncover hillary clinton's use of private e-mail. at the time you said that there should be prosecution of her for divulging clf prosecution of the president's daughter? >>o whatever tape may exist, but i have assiduously tried to avoid for calling for the prosecution of anyone, including hillary clinton, and i'm pretty sure that's true because i've had a lot of republicans upset with

me. divulging of classified information is a crime. using personal e-mail is not a crime. you're not supposed to do it. it's not best practices. it violates statutes and regulations. public work is a privilege. and part of that is you give up the right to use your private e-mail to conduct government work. so you should keep the record. ms. clinton should do it, eric holder, everyone throughout government who conducts official business should use official e-mail. if you don't, you should it, and that's what we need to know from ms. trump, but i have never called for hillary clinton to be prosecuted and i couldn't have done it for using private e-mail because it's not a crime. >> brennan: mishandling classified information i think somehow interratted your past statements to have called for furthered action. but in this case the president has already said for ivanka trump that he thinks it was nothing to see here. are you concerned that he is

saying that at this point before there is an investigation by your committee? >> i am concerned any time any president prejudges the outcome of an investigation, whether it's president obama, whether it's president trump. i've already talked to ms. trump's attorney. i've already talked to mr. cummings. we've already written a letter to the white house. congress has a responsibility to make sure that the records and the presidential records act is complied with. and this is true no matter who the person is, whether it's secretary clinton or whether it's tom perez or whether it's ivanka trump. so i've taken steps, we've done more in the last week than some of my house democrat colleagues did the entire time we were working into benghazi. so i'm at peace with what we've bud the information and we need it quickly, and then the public can judge whether or not those two patterns are similar. >> brennan: i want attorney, you're a former federal prosecutor, do you agree

with the very unusual public week from chief justice john roberts, who rebuked the president in many ways saying, we do not have obama judges or trump judge, bush judges or clinton judges. there is concern that the judiciary is being politicized. >> margaret, i wish chief justice roberts were right. i wish there was not the politicisation of the judiciary. every print article you find refers to judges based on the president that put him or her in office. you see terms like "conservative" and "ultraconservative," "liberal," and "moderate," political terms which were used to describe judges. i wish chief justice roberts were right. i wish we did not refer to judges by who put them in office, but it's been happening since i was a kid.

it's been happening for 50 years that we have used political terms to describe judges. i wish we would stop. but president trump is not first person to do it. i think president obama criticized the supreme court to their face in the state of the union. so i wish everyo media, referrig to judges based on which president put them in office. >> brennan: all right. congressman gowdy, good to talk to you. thanks for joining us today. >> yes, ma'am. thank you. >> brennan: we turn now to senator angus king, an independent from maine who caucuses with the democrats. he's on the intelligence and armed services committee. senator, thank you for joining us today. >> pleasure. >> brennan: in your role in armed services, you will be looking in some way at what's happening with the use of u.s. troops at the border. we saw this week that white house chief of staff john kelly signed an order here that seemed the loosen the restrictions on military personnel and what they do at the southwest border, aw enforcement or sn f of lethal force. that was the phrase used by the

president. what exactly are u.s. troops being asked to do? >> well, the way you asked the question indicated the grayary we're in, because there is an ancient law going back 150 years, no use of federal troops for law enforcement. it gets gray when you get to the border. now, if indeed there was an invasion, which there isn't, clearly we can defend ourselves. that's one of the reasons you have a military. but using troops in a border situation with asylum seekers is i think not appropriate. if they're being used in support, you know, president obama sent people down to support the customs and border patrol, but all the indications are this was an overreaction. your lead in,said in a quote i there are 500 bad criminals. i have never seen any evidence of that. i haven't heard any evidence of that. if that's the case, clearly something we need to take

account of, but the question is can we use force at the border? it seems to be inappropriate unless there is some serious provocation, which so far doesn't seem to be the case. >> brennan: are you going to put questions to the defense secretary or to the administration about clarifying this. >> brennan: i'm hoping through the armed services committee to be able to look into not only what the rule is, what the rules of engagement are that the defense department has used. also, i want to know how much this is costing. estimates range from $75 million to a couple hundred million dollars for something which by all accounts doesn't seem to be necessary. mean, december some of us have said is what the homeland security agency has indicated could tnd date. >> i heard an end date of december 15th. but i don't think there is any clear answer to that, and again, the question is what was the

necessity here. we have a very strong border security in terms of customs and border patrol. do we need these extra troops? was there any indication? and what is the, as you say, what are the rules of engagement, what is the cost, and how long is it going to be there. and i think those are all important questions that the armed services committee is going to want the look into, because you're talking about $200 million. that's a lot of money if the justification isn't there. >> brennan: you're on the intelligence committee. you're one of the few elected officials briefed by the c.i.a. on their assessment with what happened with "washington post" journalist jamal khashoggi. i know you can't divulge classified information, but the president has said that the intel community doesn't have conclusions. they just have feelings. is it that murky? >> wll fespono at is the c.i.a. doesn't do feelings. they do assessments. they do assessments based upon intelligence from all sources.

we did have a comprehensive briefing just before the thanksgiving break on this issue by the c.i.a. that's all i'm going to tell you. i cannot talk about what happened in that briefing. i can talk about information that's available in the public record about what's gone on, and i think one of the most interesting documents produced in public is by the treasury department on november 15th where they sanctioned 15 saudis and they listed why they did it, which was involvement in this incident. and katani, the lead guy, is the top p to mohammed bin salman. there is a tweet from him last summer that says, "i don't do things without instructions. i work for the king and the prince." you don't have to be the c.i.a. to put things together and say, how could this have happened without the prince being involved? he's in total control, and, you

know, we're not going to find an e-mail that says, "don't forget the bone saw," but it is pretty clear without reference to what we heard in that briefing. >> brennan: now, president trump is not the first american president to face this decision to trade off between u.s. national security interests and human rights concerns when it comes to saudi arabia. but this is a very in-your-face case here with this murder of this journalist. do you think that to send a clear message, you have to go beyond those individuals named in the sanctions, that you do have to directly in some way punish the crown prince based on what has been reported to be the c.i.a.'s assessment. >> and what is publicly reported, and what is known. and i think that the statement that came from white house last week was amaze, because it made it sound easy. it basically said, we have an important relationship with saudi arabia, therefore we're going to turn a blind eye to

this. it's not that easy. again, going back to the treasury department, they had this long paragraph about how this is a violation of mesh values and it undermines our credibility abroad. all of these things, i wish the president had read that before he made this statement that said, you know, they're an important ally and therefore we're going the stand with them. he made it sound easy. we do have the make these difficult decisions, but so far what they're doing is giving a pass to this guy, and i think it gives pass to dictators around the world. that's the danger. it undermines our authority and the authority of our values across the planet. >> brennan: senator, thank you very much for being here in studio. always good to talk to you. we'll be back in one minute with vermont senator bernie sanders. vermont senator bernie sanders. so stay with us. these techs in a lab. this builder in a hardhat... ...the welders and electricians

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he's also the author of a new book, "where we go from here: two years in the resistance." senator, welcome to the program. i do want to ask you about that book, but first off, you are on the environmental committee, and i want to ask you about this report from the trump administration, a really sharp warning about the immediate danger of climate change, strongest language we've seen thus far from the federal government. what action will congress take? >> well, what congress should do is move aggressively in listening not only to this report from the trump administration, but from the governmental panel on climate change. which tells us, margaret, that climate change is not only real, it is already dog irra rmhis planet, including the united states of america. what congress has got to do is take trump on, take the fossil fuel industry on, and transform our energy system away from fossil fuels to energy

efficiency and sustainable energies like solar and wind. and when we do that, we are going to lead the world in saving the planet. we're going to create millions of decent-paying jobs. we're going to lower the cost of electricity. and that is what we have got to do for our kids and our grandchildren if we're going to leave them a planet that is healthy and is habitable. this is a very -- this is a very alarming report. we have to wake up and address these issues. >> brennan: you have been warning about this for some time, but one of the things i the report is that it could take up to 10% of the economy by the end of the ce st would bi mo effective taking politics out of this, because it is such a partisan issue, not a

scientific one? >> first of all, the debate is over about the reality of climate change and the incredible and costly harm it's going to do to this country. we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in damage that we're going to have to pay for. second of all, i think it is very clear that we have got to bring our people together to address this terribly important issue. and it is amazing to me that we have an administration right now that still considers our climate change to be a, wh isheutt is man-made. we have got to rally the american people and economically i happen to believe, margaret, that when you move to energy efficiency and sustainable energy, you're going to create millions of decent-paying jobs and lessen t costs of the damage that climate change will

do to our country and around the world. but this is not an issue where we have, you know, where we can debate the reality is real, the scientific community has made it 100% clear, that this is a major crisis facing this country and our planet, and we have got to be bold and aggressive in standing up to the greed of the fossil fuel industry who are more concerned about short-term profits than the planet we're leaving our kids and our grandchildren. >> brennan: one of the foreign policy issues you do talk about in your book is your call for pulling back any kind of u.s. support for the saudi-led rolue with republican mike lee. do you see giving the scrutiny in the wake of the killing of "washington post" journalist jamal khashoggi new support for this bill? >> i do. when we brought this votes, onl5

republicans. i think we now have a chance to get a majority of the united states senate. i think people are looking at the horrific humanitarian disaster now taking place in yemen. there was a recent report that over the last number of years some 75,000 children have died of starvation. this is a country dealing with cholera, a country dealing with a terrible level of famine. you have that issue. you have the issue that this war was never authorized by the united states congress in violation of our constitution. and you got the kggi we have a government led by a despotic ruler who killed a political opponent in cold blood. add that all together, i think the american people and congress are now saying, let us end the support, our support for the saudi-led war in yemen.

>> brennan: you are calling for democrats who are now going to be in the majority in the house to launch a new contract with america, and some of the things you put out there, you're saying democrats should call for raising the minimum wage, make public universities tuition-free, expand social security, a number of other things. is this a slittive -- legislative agenda or platform for a presidential run for you? t'it ag margaret.ntesting you pick up at i wrote i 1994, newt gingrich, who i disagree with on everything, had a bold right-wing agenda. we should learn from that. this is what the american people want. we should do it. they want to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, which i think is $15 an hour. they want pay equity for women. poll after poll shows that the american people understand that our current dysfunctional health care system needs fundamental change, and that means medicare

for all, single payer system. the american people understand that in a highly competitive global economy, we have got to make public colleges and universities tuition-free. we have got to deal with climate change as we just discussed. we have to deal with a broken criminal justice system, with immigration reform, all of these issues are, in fact, what the american people want. and the question is whether congress has the guts to stand up to the big-money interests who want more tax breaks for the rich, who want to cut social middlelass and wemand amedicaidi government that represents all of us and legislation which represents the working families of this country. >> brennan: senator, look forward to talking tabttheime, . we have toee itre we have toee itre be back in a moment. crohn's disease, stelara® works differently.

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