captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: it's sunday, january 13th. i'm margaret brennan, and this is "face the nation." >> brennan: the partial government shut down continues. prospects for a deal look grim. >> i have never been moreinues. depressed about moving forward than right now. >> brennan: across the country anger about the shutdown. in washington confusion about mixed messages from president trump whether he plans to claire a -- >> probably i will. i would rather not do it.

this is something congress should easily do. >> brennan: we will talk with house leader kevin mccarthy why it's not so easy and jeh johnson on what constitutes a national emergency. and the president's ties to russia. as the u.s. begins to withdraw troops from syria. we ask mike pompeo about the conflicting statements. >> it's not clear. brennan: we will talk with the latest candidate to enter the 2020 presidential campaign. former san tone yo mayor, julian castro. and analysis on all the news d oace the nation." >> brennan: good morning, welcome to "face the nation." 's 23 of the partial

government shut down. now the longest in history. and there is no end in site. some 800,000 federal workers did not get paid on friday. and president trump "has no idea if he can get a deal with nancy pelosi." we spoke wit>> brennan: mr. sece in a shut down. i know a number of employees are not getting paid including a quarter of u.s. employees in foreign country. what are you telling staff about when they can expect a paycheck. >> it's unfortunate we're in the shut down. i wish we were not too. i hope it's resolved quickly. i told our teams. that you have to know the g americans in our embassies across the world. they understand the mission. they understand it's important.

they understand whether the government is open or close they have a task to do. they are hard at it. >> i want to ask you sips we're so focused on what is happening with the shut down here at home. the state department, when it comes to the border issues has issued a report in 2017 go counter terrorism. they say there is no credible evidence of basis in mexico or sending operatives via mexico into the united states. it adds the southern boarder is vulnerable but terrorist groups likely seek other means of entering into the united states. how does this match the claim, there is a border security crisis. >> make no mistake about it, margaret. keeping the southern borders secure is a national security component. there is a risk to the united states of america.io secure our sourp border and make sure those who want to do us

harm don't have a way to access that way. one of the reasons i'm in the middle east is to work against terror. border security is a important component. >> brennan: is the state department wrong to say this is not how terrorists are trying to enter the united states. >> margaret, terrorists try to enter our county many ways. what you saw was a unclassified report. terrorists will always find a weakest leak. we need to make sure that's not the southern border. >> brennan: i want to get to your trip through the middle east. first i want to ask you about the new york times report that says after president trump fired james comey the fbi began to investigate w p hself a threat to security andr

unintension alley influenced by moscow. what is your reaction to this? >> i won't comment on new york times stories. i will say this, the notion that president trump is a threat to national security is ludicrous. >> brennan: to clarify. you were cia director, did you have any idea this investigation was happening. >> margaret, margaret. i have answered this question repeatedly indeed on your show. the idea contained in the new york times story that president trump was a threat to national security is silly on the face and not worthy of a response. >> brennan: one of the reasons you're in the middle east is to reassure and explain to our allies the u.s. policy in syria. i would like you to that for us today. the pentagon has announced they have begun a be draw from syria john bolton said that wouldn't

happen until two things. one, the u.s. defeated isis and turkey wasn't going after our allies. >> roughly the 2000 uniform soldiers in syria today are be drawing. the activity is under way. we will do so orderly to protect national security. a way to continue the important mission they were on. the counter terrorism mission. the effort to make sure the destruction of isis is not only complete but the resurgence is not possible. the act to counter the threat from -- are real tactical missions. this is a tactical change. the mission remains the same. >> has turkey's president promised you not to attack our kurdish allies. >> when president trump spoke it

was made clerk. the turks have folks in seer ya. we want to make sure those in syria are not attacking, terrorists are not attacking turkey from seer ya. we're fully engaged w sa turks and syria to make sure to accomplish all missions. we can do each of things, margaret. >> brennan: among the fighters we talked about, kurdish allies. i want to ask you, you know as a diplomat. the threat of credible use of military force is what gives you power at the negotiating table. how does taking out u.s. troops from syria get you closer to expelling iran. >> margaret the united states of america can project military power from many plays in the world. the absence of a couple thousand

soldiers on the ground in syria does not take away from american power and our objectives across the world. that includes syria and into iran if need be. we have the tools. american diplomats have the power and leverage behind sthepl. i am confident in our military capabilities in the middle east. >> brennan: does that mean having troops in nearby iraq fill any pulling out of seer ya. >> we have amazing ar kwrorz wa. we have an enormous amount of military capacity. what we need to achieve military is this. my task as secretary of state is to make sure we don't have to use that tool. we get the diplomatic out comes to secure the middle east and protect the american people as

well. >> brennan: when it comes to iran the american administration has taken confrontational tactics here saying iranian threats would be matched here. we saw this week another american, a navy vet, michael white, has been behind iranian bars since july. so the not stopping iran from taking americans hostage. what is happening with this american? >> this administration is proud of the work we have done to get americans released from across the world. with respect to the michael white case particularly i can't say much. it's a on-going matter. the american people should know we take the security of eastern american traveling in the world as a foremost priority. we will work to get each back. your point about the island you're spot on. many americans are held there today taken by the iranian

regime. these are among the worst terrorists in the world with the least in the world. it's why the administration has taken this hard line, you described, again iran. >> brennan: is the trump administration open to a prisoner swap with iran. >> i won't talk about that. brennan: michael white's mother spoke with cbs. she said she would like the administration to negotiate for her son. she said, what is a human life worth. i want the u.s. to negotiate. i want my son home. what can you say. >> we have great sympathy for all americans detained across the world. we do everything we can to get them home. we use our diplomatic tools to get these youngs men and women home. we're intent to do that in iran and across the world. we take this obligation as a

solemn one. we have had quite a few successes and i hope we have more. >> brennan: potentially open to negotiations then. >> we are using every tool in our arsenal to get these americans home wherever we find them. >> brennan: am bass score bolt ton, when do we see president trump sit down with the north korean leader. >> we are working on the details. you will be among the first to know. >> brennan: it has been about a hundred years since the washington post journalist was brutally murdered. will you raise the issue with the crown prince. >> of course. brennan: what will you say. >> i will say what, margaret, i will say what we have said consistently. america's position publicly and privately are the same this. was an outrageous act, unacceptable murder. those responsible will be held accountable by the united states of america.

we are determined to do that and get to the facts as quickly as we can. we have a policy consistent with this. we like the rest of the world value human rights across the world. this murder was outrageous well. will hold those responsible accountable. then we will talk about what we do with the kingdom of saudi arabia. what they do to support americas in kansas, colorado and washington dc safe. >> brennan: mr. secretary, thank you for your time. safe travels. >> margaret. thank you, have a great day. >> brennan: we turn to kevin mccarthy. congressman, you're usually in our home state of california calf when we talk to you. we like having you in person in snowy dc. >> thank you for having me. brennan: i want to get to the washington post report before the shut down. saying the president has taken the notes fromlar, the interpreter in the room,

during his talks with putin. does it concern you there is no public record of what the president discussed with putin and the 2016 elections? >> margaret, i know what the administration has done. we are tough on russia. look at the sanctions we have taken. i listened to the president last night. he's more than willing to have a open to what the discussion was about, on a news show last night. i know what the president like to do. he likes to create a personal relationship, build the relationship and rebuild the relationship with other world leaders. >> brennan: this is keeping the conversation from the national security person. the top adviser to the president. >> in hearing the president last night on the show he was more than willing to let that information out. >> brennan: -- speak to the interpreter? >> i would like the president to build the relationships. i know the administration and

congress is tough on russia. we will continue to be so. i want the president to build a relationship. even on a personal level with all the world leaders as well. >> brennan: you have asked the president about this. >> i haven't asked him about this, it just came out. we have talked about the shut down. the president is focused. that's why the president is here. why i'm here in par washington. the president has made reasonable offers, moving to the democratic side. there is not one offer from the democrats. it's unacceptable that 800,000u.s. employees are not being paid. you know what we're arguing over. one tenth of one percent of the federal budget. we're not asking the democrats to do something they haven't done before. they have voted for boarder wall and fencing. we have democrats, new progresses from california, katy hill, saying she would vote for a wall --

>> brennan: defining the barrier is the point you're stuck on now. >> i would take the language we voted on before. the president would add in, no concrete. the appropriations bill taken prior. that would allow us to do the job that needs to be done. you know the chairman of arms services. he says walls work and was supportive of it we had president obama say this was a crisis on the borer. the new governor of california, gavin newsome, said there is a crieser on the border -- >> brennan: they offered border security funds. it's how it's spent is what you disagree on. >> who in america believes in border security doesn't have a form of a barrier. i have heard democrats say they want a barrier. the president has moved from a concrete to a steel barrier. i is seen the president look for

compromise but this is no compromise on the other side. >> brennan: should we reopen the government. >> we can. the president is correct -- - >> brennan: you would -- >> i have been to every meeting. i have seen the president say to nancy pelosi. if i reopen the government now could we have border sy s. that's the challenge who is holding the government up? senator schumer and nasy pelosi. >> brennan: the federal workers are paying the price. what do you tell them, when will they be paid? >> it's unacceptable and why i'm here. i'm not in puerto rico. i want to solve this problem. >> brennan: the do you have a way to pay the workers. >> we voted on friday and sent it to make sure they're paid when this is done. >> brennan: those living pay check to pay check now matters. >> it's unacceptable. where has the president been the

whole time? what the constituents need to understand when the republic had the house they moved a bill to the senate. that takes 60 votes. senator schumer wouldn't come to a compromise or come to a break. >> brennan: do you oppose the president calling a national security emergency. >> the -- brennan: he's talking about existing money allocated to calf for disaster relief. >> the emergency act exists for these circumstances. one thing i will tell you, we should solve this legislatively. >> brennan: so it sounds like you don't want him to declare -- >> it's one tenth of one percent of the federal budget. if we can't do this, it's not a problem. democrats have voted for fencing and a wall. why disagree? it's president trump. i think the american public

understands this. we can solve this in minutes. the workers should be able to be paid. it only takes a few minutes inside the meetings. when the democrats won't even make a counter offer, it's unacceptable. >> brennan: i want to ask you about iowa's steve king. some republicans have come out strongly here. jeb bush said it's not enough to con testimony him. party leaders have to do something. support a primary opponent to challenge him. others say he should be se sensorred. should there be movement. >> that's not the language of the america i know or the party. i have a scheduled meeting with him on monday. i will tell you this. i have watched on the other side they don't take action. i tell you this, action will be

i am having ausertionith steve s his roll in the republican party. i will not stand back as a leader of this party, believing in this nation that all are created equal. that stands and continues to stand. >> brennan: thank you, congressman. we will be back in a moment with more "face the nation."

>> brennan: with dozens of democrats considering a to 20 presidential bid on saturday. the former mayor of san an toes

yo, julian castro became the when he delivered the keynote at resident at the 2012 national convention and he was secretary of housing dg the owe bom administration. he has been endorsed by his twin brother. haoulian castro joins us from the site of his announcement. the president visited your home state of texas saying there is a humanitarian and national security crisis do. you agree with him. >> what i believe is he has created a tragedy at the border. this policy of separating children from their parents and the terrible way that customs and border protection has managed it's responsibility including the deaths two of children in the last few weeks,

it's a tragedy. >> brennan: the family separation policy has been paused as least. there is a record number of family units crossing the border creating challenges. what would you do. >> i don't believe we should have family deten seeking asylum or refugee status. we should develop other ways to insure people are processed and we're able to keep track of them in the country. >> brennan: you were critical even under the obama administration, specifically about the high level of deportations. what do you offer as a alternative. >> if you're not detaining or deporting, what do you do with illegal immigrants. >> what i believe we could do and the obama administration did do, i believe towards the end of it's tenure, was to look at things like ankle monitors. you can monitor where people are in the country. we also need to be serious about recognizing the right of people

to zika asylum. and the president is playing games with this. blocking peoples right to zika asylum. i would change that. i would make sure that we push as hard as possible for comprehensive immigration reform. for the people here f they have been law abiding, they pay a fine, that, that they can get an earned pass to citizenship. >> brennan: you announced your candidatey. thez pk5hrnc issued a statement. it says julian castro has made history by becoming one of the biggest lightweights to run for president. he was a weak mayor that couldn't handle being hud secretary. these are sharp words. the first official attack on you. how do you respond and explain why you are qualified to be commander in chief. >> they will use those words for every democrat deciding to run for president.

i wouldn't put the stock in. that i would say to the american people directly i have had executive experience. i have lead one of the largest and diverse cities in the country. i have lead a federal agency at hud. i know what it takes to insure we have a government that functions well. to help inspire people. i also have a life experience that i think resonates with a lot of americans. i am here in my neighborhood i grew up in. dry up in a single parent household. went to the public schools here in san antonio. went to college and law school to reach my american dream. i'm motivated to make sure that every american can reach their dreams. >> brennan: some of the things you outlined in your platform. medicare for all. access to pre-kindergarten education. this puts you on a progressive wing of the democrat i can party. how do you attract those perhaps

alienated by the president but not comfortable with being so reliant on the government as a main provider. >> what i hear out there, there are a lot of folks, a lot of people who want us to invest in universal healthcare. i'm under no elusion that accomplishing something like medicare for all would be easy. i do believe in this nation, the richest nation on earth, not a single person should be without healthcare what they need it. >> brennan: what will that cost tax payer. you have to make changes to pay for it. >> you do. no question it will take several things. i think it will take asking wealthier individuals to pay t*+ fare share. >> brennan: what does that mean? >> -- we have had basically the last 40 years of lower and lower commitment from people at the very top.

same for corporations. we have corporations, multi national corporations that are hardly paying anything in federal taxes. >> brennan: you want to increase the corporate tax rate? >> i think we can consider different ways and different proposals to raise more revenue from the wealthiest corporations. >> brennan: alright. we will be tracking and you your campaign. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. brennan: there will be more of our interview on our website at facethenation.com. we will be back in a moment.

>> brennan: we will be right back with a lot more "face the nation" including our political panel and former home land security officer jeh johnson. stay with us. dv life can change in an instant.

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