in particular its leader, jibral disah. jackson: with the ultimate goal of eradicating both. okay. okay. why me? dalton: because you have experience, an impartial point of view, and, frankly, because i trust you. jackson: and given what we're up against, your religious expertise should be invaluable. my background is really more medieval. (chuckles) so is our enemy. as far as we're concerned, your fitness for this assignment is unmatched. and state will be fully read in. which means that i'll be... we can actually... talk. ...talk to each other. jackson: with luck, we should be able to cut through any intelligence community disconnects and bring jibral disah to justice, swiftly. dalton: so, henry, what do you say? you up for helping to capture

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>> dr. stanley: remember this: cannot change the laws of god. when he has visited you in some form of adversity and he brings you through that, that's like he has increased the strength of the foundation of your life and your faith in him. [music]

>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we now go to senator kristen gillibrand. a democrat from new york and newest contender in the 2020 presidential primary. she joins us this morning from des moines. welcome to face, senator. >> thank you, margaret. brennan: you say you're a no on the president's proposal to end the shut down. why isn't three years enough of a start for you? >> well, he's the one who got rid of daca protection in the first place. to offer a temporary respite. if you talk to any daca recipient of daca today they're anxious, worried, concerned. they maybe at school, getting

rried.ed the president has no compassion. i don't think you should consider this. three years just daca, why not all of the dreamers. why not a permanent pathway to citizenship for certainty about their lives. it shows lack of compassion and empathy for people that are suffering. i think it's a non starter. >> brennan: the says this morning in a tweet that amnesty could be part of a broader deal down the hoeupb do. you take him on his word on that. >> no i don't take his word on anything. if he cared he would open up the government. stop the 800,000 who didn't get a paycheck, stop their suffering. some can't pay for medicine, food, heat, rents. it shows a callousness that is unacceptable. open the government. pay our people, pay our public servants and then get to the business of a comprehension

immigration reform. to, to offer a 3 year daca it's not, it doesn't a come mish what we need to accomplish. it's not enough and i think it's cynical. >> brennan: a spokes person -- if you looked up political optimism in the dictionary kristen gillibrand would be on it. she goes where the political wind blows. how do you respond to that? >> those are political attacks not rooted in any truth. i am who i am. i will fight for other peoples kids as hard as i fight for my own. my heart has never changed. i will fight for people -- >> brennan: some of your agenda has. that's what they're attacking there. >> ten years ago when i became senator of new york state a state of 20 million people i recognized my focus on the concerns of my upstate district

were not enough. i needed to focus on the concerns of the whole state. on immigration i spent time in i am tkprapt communities. i went to brooklyn and met with families whose lives were torn apart because of policies i didn't have enough compassion and empathy for. i recognize i was wrong. >> brennan: you sit on the armed serves committee. if are you commander in chief would you continue diplomatic taugz with north korea that the president has started? >> i think it's helpful that president trump is focused on diplomacy and not bombing north korea. a earlier thought process was military action. causing grave concern in my mind and other is senators. i think diplomacy and engagement is the right approach. a. unfortunately president trump in his first efforts i think it was more of a political stunt then effective diplomacy and

political dialogue. >> brennan: you don't support the second summit? >> no, i'm grateful. he's choosing a path of diplomacy. even he's f. he's not good with it or more than a political choice. i'm grateful that's the choice other than bombing north korea. >> brennan: you talked about expanding medicare for all. you were a co sponsor with bernie standers. that would require $1.4 trillion a year. how do you finance that? >> the biggest worry of most americans is the cost of healthcare and it's out of reach for them. the reason i believe in medicare for all, i believe any family should have access for one not for public option to compete with the for profit insurance industries paying their shareholders value and make shower the ceos make millions of dollars. that's not aligned with universal coverage that's good and affordable.

>> brennan: how do you pay for it. >> let me explain. >> if you buy into medicare as you buy into social security as a earned benefit it's far less expensive for every american for what they're paying now to the insurance industry. what is paid for by each person wanting to invest in their healthcare is at a far lower rate then they pay today. the bill we introduced. i wrote the part about buying into medicare. that's what i ran in 2006 in up state new york house candidate in a 2-1 republican district. it made sense to my voters then, it makes sense to american voters now. let them buy in and invest 4% of income, what the bill says, to get access as they invest 6% into social security. it's the same earned benefit. if you make it a right in this way, if you create it as a social safety net people will get higher quality careless

expensive and always covered. no insurance company can deny them for preexisting

>> brennan: as the u.s. with draw from syria t-pd a suicide attack claimed the lians.presido doverorce b t pay hseects. it's the deadliest attack on

single u.s. forces since the conflict started four years ago. we have this report from northern seer ya. >> we join soldiers on the front line. the last pocket of isis territory. to see troops firing aybarage of motherrers towards isis position. right be side them u.s. forces opening fire too. the commander here told us the u.s. military has been indispensable providing artillery and vital air strikes. yet isis is paper sis atlanta enemy with counter attacks, including truck bombs and the sue sued bombingoann re than a dozen other people. he had dense isis is evolving to a underground terror network. this makes it harder for american allies to understand the decision to withdraw two thousand u.s. troops at such a

critical time. >> we fought this war together the commander told us. america has a responsibility to support us and not suddenly abandon us. >> they fear a with draw of u.s. forces would result in a security vacuum. -- kurdish to invade and isis to regroup. calling in thousands of isis detainees held. >> the continuation of isis prisoners what to do with families. children and wives in refugee camps including foreigners. >> children born to the wrong fathers in the wrong place at the wrong time face what's all share here, a future with nothing but uncertainty. >> brennan: that was charlie daget reporting from syria.

>> brennan: -- in a op-ed this week he warned american's decision to pull out is giving the terrorist group new life. bret, thank you for being here. >> thank you, margaret. brennan: the president said isis is defeated. he is correct. >> no they're not defeated. i have been part of this captain four years, two administrations. we have come a extraordinarily long way. they were committing genocide against christians and minority groups. plannedattacks against us in the homeland. carried them out in paris and brussels. we have said and the policy was until most recently, we had to complete the enduring defeat of isis. taking away the physical space so they couldn't resurge. that policy was now reversed over night. as leader of the collision we're telling our partners on the ground and around the world, the

collision of 75 countries we're prepared to stay in syria over some time. under instructions from the white house, we would stay in syria until the iranians left syria and there was irreversible progress in geneva to end the civil war. we told that our partners on the ground and it was reversed between a conversation of the president and a foreign leader. american leadership counts. leadership built the collision. it lead to the gains against isis. leadership requires presence on the ground and consistency. it was the reversal of the policy that makes this not effective with the new instructions. >> president bush. then obama and now president trump can you clarify there, you have served democrats and republicans why. did you resign, specifically.

>> well again -- brennan: the president alleges politically. >> i have everythinge three administrations. i work on policies i support. you argue your case. in this case the entire national security team had a view and the president completely reversed the policy. the president has said, i think he's right, you never telegraph a punch in a military campaign. you also don't telegraph your retreat. i have probably traveled to syria more than any other american civil official. my heart and thoughts are with the families and loved ones of those killed. we have had two americans killed in acquisition. we built the campaign plan to answer for those who believe we shouldn't be over invested in the conflicts. americans are not fighting. we have 64 syrians doing the fighting. american tax payers are not paying on restablation costs.

the collision is doing. a sustae campaign plan. we had the pieces in place as we were defeating the groups in syria. we worked with the russians diplomatically to draw front on the map. saying you don't cross this river. if you cross the river we will kill you. >> brennan: we have a map for people to understanding what you say is what you said has had a real world impact on the ground that president trump did and lose the u.s. tory. >> the minute you announce to the world you're leaving a vacuum opens up and different powers make the calculations well. need to work things out with russia for what is happening in seer ya. the presence on the ground is our most elite, highly trained forces. i have visited them from the beginning of the campaign. i was one of the first civilians on the ground.

they have done a incredible job. those forces have allowed the forces of 60,000 syrians building up and enabled. if you pull out american forces without a plan for what comes next it opens up a significant vacuum. i know the vice president said we were looking for collision partners to take our place. as a former leader of the collision i don't think that's credible. i know what it takes, it takes american leadership and american presence. we have told the world we won't be present. it will have a dramatic ramification. that's why what i wrote in the washington post. we have hard truths. number one, we are leaving. the president has made that clear, we are leaving. the force should have one mission, get out and get out safely. we can't add additional missions. with drawing under pressure from a combat zone is one of the most difficult maneuvers to ask our

people to do. >> brennan: i think what you're sketching out, putting it plainly is. how we with draw with the president's mind made up. one of the issues is how the president is doing puts the forces and gains at risk. >> announcing you are with drawing without a plan, there is no plan for what is coming next. there is no plan. it increases the vulnerability of the force. increases the not environment on the ground in seer ya. this environment has been fairly permissive and safe. i have been there almost to times. it's increasing the risk to our people on the ground in syria and open up space for ic isis. we can't expect a partner of turkey or another collision partner to take our place. that's not realistic. if our forces are under order to withdraw at the same time they're looking for another partner to come in that's not

workable or a viable plan. >> brennan: when the secretary of state says the u.s. military can strike isis from anywhere, you say that's not the actual case and matters. >> having the presidentence on the ground is the critical force multiplier that defeats isis physical space, keep our pressure on him. pulling out those forces will have significant repercussions. >> brennan: okay. stay with us if you would. we will be back in a moment.

>> brennan: we're back now with bret mcgurk and would like to welcome jason r rezaian. i think it's pretty interesting to talk to you, at the same time the guy that negotiated your release to the right of you. i don't think that's happened before. jason, it's good to see you in person as someone who covered your captivity. >> thank you, thank you for having me on. >> brennan: one of the new details i learned in the book, why you were arrested in the

first place. one of the absurd things you were told. the story has to do with avocados. can you explain it? >> yes, 2011 i put up a kickstarter project. the crowd funding website to raise funds to bring avocados to iran. i was trying to make a point, tongue and cheek, that iran is a county that has been isolated for so many years. a manifestation is they have been cut off from the world, the great joys of the world one being avocados. in the first night of interrogations i was told this was definitive proof i was a spy. they didn't know what a avocado was, what it meant or what it was code for. it was nefas.t days. >> brennan: the misunderstanding why you were there. you were about for 40 years now the u.s. and iran have had extensive tension and arguments

for a variety of reasons. one is the repeated taking of hostages, or prisoners. the word "hostage" is something the captors didn't like to hear. >> they don't like hearing that at all. you go ask bret what they think about the term, how they take dual nationals and foreign nationals and put them through a quasi process. they don't like the idea it's been a 40 year industry for them they continue to do. i'm part of a long line of people that started in 1979 with our american diplomats taken hostage. unfortunately the trend continues today about three weeks from now the islamic republic will mark their 40 years in existence. the last two weeks we have heard another american, a navy veteran being held. it didn't start with me. it didn't end with me. it's something that obviously is heartbreaking to americans and should stop.

>> brennan: bret, as someone negotiationed with iran for the release of jason and others, how difficult is a prisoner swap or an agreement. with the americans this, do you think enough is being done. >> some first of all it's great to be here with jason. jason's book is terrific. it brings you in the mind of what americans go through in prisons around the world. our process it was the just jason. it was five other americans. jason faced a potential death sentence. a u.s. marine was sentenced to death. he would be in prison for another five, six years. an american past or was ior wase situation. -- they're a hard line element of the retkpwaoeplg. when i opened the channel and sue who i was meeting with t guys held the prison keys for jason and the other a incredib4

month process there. is no trust, obviously. extreme hosilities. i don't know how many times i walked away from the table raising my voice significantly. the swiss helped facilitate the process. we're grateful for switzerland. they wouldn't be in the room, they were down the hall. often they came into the room because of the tension of the talks. in fact until jason and the other americans and jason's wife who was part of the deal. we wrote her in the deal were on a plane out of the iranian airspace we didn't have confidence this would happen. they tried to renege the night before jason was on the plane. we couldn't find jason's wife. it was quite dramatic. that was because of the different competition within the iranian regime itself. you never know if you're talking to the right guy. in my process i was taking to

the right guy. i was the first american they ever met. it was incredibly difficult. it's the diplomacy you do to get things done in the world. >> brennan: in the swap one of the things people remember from that, the fact you were released the same day the nuclear deal of iran went into affect and the transfer of money in a financial dispute went through. 1.7 or $1.8 billion. it was a legendary story of a plane full of cash. what is the truth about this. >> there is some nonsense about this. there was some di diplomacy goig on. nuclear track, the track with jason and the prisoners. in parallel lawyers negotiated under the hate tribunal for 30 years. we have lawyers in the state department probably not getting paid with the situation in washington. they have negotiated with iran thr 30 years.