he low, welcome. today we have the pleasure of talking with two visitors and two catholic singers and artist and two of the most accomplished, knowledgeable, down to earth and entertaining intellectuals you'll meet. deeply formed in their catholicism, profoundly the be ous e touched and our mines enlightened.

you'll meet them. we'll find out why they're here in town and we'll talk about a range of things in catholic arts, learning and culture. after this brief break please rejoin us to meet catholic artist and talk about catholic artist.

hello and welcome back. our guest today out of town. one from the frozen south dakota and one from philadelphia. >> widely published. you are now a professor at

dakota state university. directing the study of cyber ethics. you're both poets and writers and in town here for a conference we had on renee and his work. i'm going to hold up this book at this moment and hope we can get a close up of this. renee was a literary critic turned to stanford and written revolutionary books. you came to town for a

conference. what has he and his work to do with the work of catholic artist like yourself? >> well, first of all, gerard was just one of the great models of what a catholic intellectual should be. he thought about everything and drew all things together and left as little out as possible as any modern would do despite the complexity of our times. >> he seemed to wonder in from the 19th century thinkers. all that language, you've heard it of escape getting and victimwood comes from the 60th and 70th. he was a break through thinker in a variety of ways. he just chipped

until who emerged was catholicism. >> that mystical moment in the late 50th. it's only in what came back to the church as a young man. it's later in life he expressed the theological content of what had come or started out as literary criticism and entered to anthropology and blossomed into this huge theory eternally that we learn and catch desire like a decease. we learn to what we want and want to compete for by watching what other people want and other people want to compete for. jerard then in this context becomes a kind of interesting

it is tuberculosis a t catholic intellectual or artist and you know, what is it to be holy invested with your mind and a faith that guesses from the most meet emotional behaviors all the way up to the highest claims. >> yes, i think his work and meditation focused on the original violence. >> one of his great incites was that religious violence goes deep down into human civilization. the slaughter and missing person actually serves a social function. so to answer the question, what difference does it make christ came into the world?

there's many answers to that question. gerards was to say the answer was the difference was e osta usa number of things desire d so to recognize this act of escape goat is no good for the social, for society, it's rather the great evil we commit that we have to transcend. >> and i understand from the conference i attended with you, somehow he's understanding that jesus who made himself the escape goat exploded the whole myth and theory of escape getting. >> some of our current problems come from this. we use to have this whole evil but effective way to profounding culture. we have a huge disagreement and it's moving to riots in the street and we picked somebody and ths agree that

person is to blame. escape goat and now we're all friends again. that worked. it was evil but it worked. we found civilization that way. the trouble is christ exposed how it worked. we don't like it anymore. it took a thousand years or more for that lesson to penetrate. we all got it. we all understand the way victimhood works. gerard said how now have we fobbed culture. the alternative hasn't been much adopted. >> or refound culture. >> how do we restore whatever that innocence or goodness was we intended for in that. >> he ended his life a

pessimist as called bai have become more and more convi meaning and the meaning is terrifying. >> yes, okay. on that note, i think we'll take our first break here and we'll be back in two minutes here about catholic artist and our guest. thank you. [ cell phone rings ]

>> yeah, i'm watching it too. i see them every day.

>> the curtains, they're always drawn in this place. >> i know. >> that guy, it seems like he's in charge of them. i don't know, i don't feel very good about this. >> we have to report this. >> yes, absolutely. hello and welcome back. we're talking about catholic art and we have a moment of looking into renee and the contributions of our weaknesses and flaws and errors and sins. we're going to move on to something more positive, i hope. can we have slide number one here, please?

this is the 16th institute. it's under the institute which is an initiative of arch diocese. if you read carefully, the institute is opening the door of beauty and inner apologizing the catholic culture of arts. gentleman, you are clan are tiff with the institute and brought into town for the purpose of having the conference. you're both creators of beauty. there's no question. you're excellent writers as well as thinkers and scholars. how's it going in that world? >> i have a renewal. joseph's comment about slivering and terror is not a

bad response to contemporary history. it's safe to say in the last six years many writers within the church and priest realize beauty is not cosmetic. they play ahead and it's something they have to be engaged in and the church has to support if a genuinely civilization is going to continue. >> we're on the tail end of the stripping of the alters here we've done ourselves. >> different architectures and literature. are we moving back away from that to something that's more how do i put it? by the use of beautifying. >> yeah, i think the word is more profound. i think this is the right line to take. here's a really quick store

rhode island it's a science fiction about who we are with the books. best selling or not best selling. >> like many other things. i asked at lunch one day, whose the best science fiction? team wolf who writes the thick catholic novels, the long son and i said why and he said he's connecting to the deepest stuff. he said why don't you do that? he said i'm going back to being a catholic. i thought there was an of course, i can't do that. there's a revelation that the artistic mind this guy had recognizes that if you're going to write the best stuff, you're going to have to reach beyond cleverness and reach beyond the human towards the deep stuff of being of what the universe is

made of and how we won with the brain of it. that is the kind of opportunity for that is to offered only to the religious. >> you are required to become spiritual if you want to become an artist. >> you have to. i don't think that's entirely true. you don't have to. if you don't, you're not going to be the highest level of art. >> people look at paintings because they want to change. they listen to music in every moransed. ause they want that you have d its ifoingto people in that way. >> it's interesting because the common slam that the catholic

church is, it's an escape from' alty really. how is this road into the depths of human life? >> when the scientist began looking at the phenomena of nature, he doesn't need to pattern and order. we don't need science for this. the arts have the roll of further reviewing. which is why going back to the ancient world poets are to be such a problem. >> it's also why he begins his theory as literary critic. he's reading. he's starting to perceive patterns of desires and human behavior and he says at one point novelist are the best

psychologist.answer is yes or no. >> and people exist in this world and thrown into this world but somewhere someone will pick up dickens or shakespeare and realize there's a literature which reaches down and it's connected to the home. >> it's the building or the new

work. it's carried on by, carried within individual minds and so it never calls for despair or disregard. we would prefer it to be shaping our whole life. you have to open up and let it percolate up. thank you for that. we'll be back and we'll have one more segment to talk about with our guest about catholic art.

welcome back. our guest are james matthew wilson and joseph bottom.

we're talking about civilization where you mentioned civilizations are percolating beneath and couldn't be visible sometimes. that's where people seemed to be living. can you explain to us your institute for cyber ethics? >> yeah, the state's computer college told me to start up a little and do cyber ethics and apply the humanities to which we are now 40 years again. we're 40 years into the computer revolution. >> it's altered every profession and i don't think we're getting enough actual analysis of what that means. in particular, we keep seeing

ethnical problems emerging as a result of productivity and emerging as a result of being reduced to numbers and data. you know, emerging from the fact that inner city kids are spending on average of 14 to 16 hours a day staring at the screen. these are creating problems of addiction, problems of lack of contact with reality and i want to kind of use this new institute to explore what it would mean to say something about the most serious level like to virtual is not real. >> it seems to me your concerned about the current. how do we pierce through that? >> the tackal has faded.

in a variety of ways they keep trying to substitute itself. they keep trying to draw attention. i'm a fan. i think you can only be a true fan. one of the cost is an additional fading of realty. >> my oldest, my first

daughter, one stilting in my wa and my office was her bedroom, of course. the crib was pushed up against the desk. i was asking myself what i want for this little girl. what i want is a life that's lasting. of course, consumer technology gives us a thrill and throw themselves out to something permanent. >> there's a little room left. the managers and sales dacare for neither old books or young daughter. somehow sleeps an infant daughter who grows still to the

cradle sounds of poetry. it charms her she knows nothing of language. they remind me this empty room set childless when wild was just a word. now he's born. we have little time for liquor. papers lost between the cardboard for my daughter. i'm the tv news shows that modern consumers live a life of

poetry. you don't have to be childless. working beautiful and though they find the room for the office these are rubbed with liquor. here a transition from nonfather into father and all all those and up. >> it's the children that connects us to the deep side of the universe. this is where we realize civilization isn't just a game. this is where we realize the throneness is not something we

can just laugh off. >> that's right. irony has its limits and autonomy has its limits as well. >> i want to thank you both for being here in the town. can i bring up slide two, please these gentleman has a web site by that name. please go to it and you can find out everything you know. thank you very much for being with us. >> yeah, thank you. thank you kpix for another edition of mosaic. we'll see you next time. show me the crown.

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