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>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." jamelle bouie is a columnist with a t any "new york times." johan goldberg is the senior editor for the "national review." margaret talev works were bloomberg news, and we have our own political correspondent ed o'keefe. ed, it's good to have you here. you'll been in richmond for ten days now covering the story. you heard gayle king's interview with the governor. what did you make of what he said? >> clearly he's bound and determined to stay. and there is some evidence this morning that virginian, at least half of them, may be okay with that. what i thought was interesting is he still clearly hasn't come up with some specific plan on how the move forward other than he mentioned, and i don't

believe we aired this part, but he talk later about concerns of infant mortality in the state and trying to tackle issues like that over next three years. people need to remember outside of virginia, they only get erected to one term as governor, so he's a lame duck immediately. so if he stay, he stays and there's no political retribution for him, but there clearly could be for his party. i think it's still an open question as to whether democrats are really going to tal rate him being in office for the next three years. there are legislative electionlatedder this year. mark warner, the senior senator is up for reelection next year while it's also a presidential year and the 13 electoral votes in virginia are ones both parties desperately want. if these guys are still around, all three of them, even one or two of them, it could be radioactive for democrats. >> brennan: jamelle, you're a virginian. looking at this not as a state story but as national one, why do you think this is resonating? >> i think there are a variety of issues with northam and

herring in particular, there are -- there is this larger national reckoning with racism. it is in some sense prompted by the president and the president's use of racialized rhetoric and racist rhetoric over his term. i think democrats and virginia democrats and democrats nationally are trying to create a "zero tolerance" policy for anything like that by saying, in our party, if you have any whiff of racism in your past or present, that renders you radioactive for the rest of the party. so i think that's kind of what is driving this. i think also there is just the element of -- it feels so old-fashioned, and i think just talking to people who are not virginian, even talking to virginian, they're shocked that in 2019 an entire state is facing controversies over blackface, a thing that i think many observers would have

thought is in our past or at least recognized as being unacceptable. judging the shock and surprise, just the circumstances of the controversy, plus the way it resonates in our current national politics as s driving a lot of the attention. >> brennan: the president weighs in on a lot of things, and he weighed in on this a few times this week. this morning he said, "african americans are very angry on the double standard on full display in virginia." it's not clear what he's rer ferg to, it might be this "washington post" poll. why weigh into this? >> because he's like the norse god loki. he likes to create dr. match he's a master at creating division and trolling. i think he was watching cnn, jake tapper tweeted this tweet came right after a conversation along these lines. there are african american politicians in virginia, as i

understand it, who think the calls for fairfax to resign are unfair given the fact that, you know, for all the usual understandable partisan politics reasons. and donald trump is very good at sort of making -- sewing division and trolling this kind of stuff. he gets, from his perspective, pretty good results when he does. >> to some extent what's going on in virginia is really about these three politicians and they're kind... their semiyouth catching up to them, but if you're following 2020, you have this huge democratic field with cross sections that involve a lot of women, a handful of african american candidates, and a lot of older white men who have had decades in year books and past statements and sort of generational political shifts with things like three strikes you're out or whatever, the way you talk about crime, the way you talk about welfare have changed over the years. and so to some extent i think it

gives us a preview and gives the democratic party a preview of the pit false of zero tolerance, and also the kind of traps of saying we're going to hold ourselves to a higher standard than president trump or his party. >> my colleague has ts line where the democrats are going through the first woke primary where everybody is trying the prove they're zero-tolerance people, they check all the boxes on social justice stuff, and this is, you know, a radioactive mess if everybody is trying to be sort of holier than thou and purer than t ho ou. >> you wonder when the russia to judgment and the ability to stop, take a breath, and wait a second might catch up to them. because two or three times this week they've all rushed out and said, he's got the go, whoever it was. well, you know, then you hear them saying, give us a little time to seek forgiveness and understanding or for due process, and it's like, you know, are they potentially

putting themselves in an even bigger box if they don't say, you know what, i'm not from virginia. why don't we let this sort itself out. >> brennan: and the media plays the role and that will play out over next election cycle, as well. jamelle, something you touched on earlier, the "wall street journal" editorial board put it this way, "democrats believe they must sacrifice mr. northam to preserve the sword of racial politics for routine use against republicans. racism has become the default cry on anything they dislike on crime, immigration, the wall, you name it." the argument is this is tactics. >> i think there's substance here. the northam yearbook photo is genuinely shocking. it's genuinely shocking to see someone dressed up as a sambo next to someone dressed up as a klansman, two painful things that affect people in this country today, people alive and

quite recently have experienced these things. so i think substance is important. i don't think -- i think democrats in virginia and democrats nationally are trying to reconcile the fact that there is a substance here with these emerging political standards, with sort of like, yes, the tactical stuff. but i don't think this is a pure, like immoral power politics. i think also we'll add that -- i think margaret you made a really good point tying this to 2020, there already has been -- there already are signs the democrats are looking for my diverse candidates or looking for candidates who are sort of are not tied to legacies of the politics or the 90s or the 80s. and i think this very much kind of makes that even more solid and in a weird way, even though i'm reasonably sure joe biden has nothing like this in the past, it may cripple joe biden's attempt to run. it may damage bernie sanders'

attempt to run. the optics will reverberate throughout democratic politics. >> brennan: what about elizabeth warren? you saw another issue of identity and of race. it was revealed according to the texas state bar application, she self-identified as native american on that and critics sized on this saying this wasn't an issue of true identity. this was her seeking to advance herself by asking for special treatment. does this stick to her? >> it's already sticking. it's clearly sticking. they know this. i think to the point about this being a woke primary, that's the element of this that her team didn't anticipate. they thought they get credit for being as transparent as possible, allowing a thorough vetting of her employment history and releasing a d.n.a. test because it would provide such a sharp contrast of the president who doesn't release any information despite the fact he won and is still in office. they didn't anticipate that identifying way when you clearly aren't or a minuscule part of

you is, it suggests you were trying the take advantage of somebody else's heritage, that's radioactive of this that they are not prepared for. she's going to suffer throughout this campaign, whether they like it or not. and there has been this attitude of her team, well, we put it all it there, don't we get credit for that? yeah, but when you can't verify, and we don't know whether she and her family spent decades identifying this way, potentially to their advantage, then it invites the scrutiny they're getting and will continue to get. >> brennan: the president again weighing in on this in a tweet not only mockingly calling her pocahontas, but then using the term "trail," all cap, which many read as a trail of tears, the forceable relocation of thousands americans leading to mass death, is he going to pay a price for that? >> no. >> brennan: we're talking about this as if these politics of race should have a cost to them, but the caveat seems to be

in the case of the president, you're saying no, it's actually a tactic that can be to his benefit. >> well, i just think all of this is baked in with president trump the president trump you see allegedly mocking the trail of tears is the same president who mocked parents of gold star families. everyone has made up their mind about the guy, and there's a reason why he's never made it out of the 40s in approval rating and he's supported about 35% of the electorate, which gets us to the fact that this -- just look at the math, the electoral college and his approval rating. there is no way donald trump can affirmatively win in 2020, but the democrats can certainly lose. and if you look at the way these fights are shaping up, if you look at the way the democrats this last week walked into donald trump's thing at the state of the union, how we're never going to be a socialist country but unveiling in not great fashion the green new deal, it does seem like the

democrats are endanger in spiraling off to exactly the place where the white house wants them to be. >> brennan: and along those lines, the issue of abortion, very divisive, also reignited. that's where the scrutiny of northam came from because of this radio interview he did. republicans are arguing that democrats are out of step with public opinion on abortion. gallup poll conducted in may 2018 showed 60% of americans think abortion should be legal in the first trimester, 13% when asked about terminations in the third trimester. and that's where northam's comments were directed, that later term. >> this is part of a larger effort by, you know, some republican strategists to try to paint the democrats to the extremes because the batsle is fought in the middle on these sorts of issues. it's much tougher for donald trump and that segment of kind of the republican ideological arm, whereas if you're talking not about a woman's right to choose, but if you're talking about something that most americans find extremely

reprehensible, if you can redefine what it means to support abortion rights, you can redefine how you feel about democratic candidates. the trump basis is demonstrably difference than the democratic party's base, which is why this asymmetrical and there are two different standards for how you talk about racial issues or gender issues or anything in the spectrum we have been talking about. >> brennan: also on this point, i think there is something in terms of public perception in the fact we were referencing a woke primary. the term "woke," there is ad broad sense that talking about race and racism, talking about identity, it's somehow opportunistic, is somehow not quite sincere in that on the other end, president trump sort of like open use of racist lang res wha r somehow more authentic. i think there is a -- i'm not

saying it is authentic, but there is this archie bunker quality that people are willing to look past versus a kind of suspicion based on this country's history with racism of anyone talking about it. >> brennan: we've got to leave it there >> dr. stanley: remember this: cannot change the laws of god. when he has visited you in some form of adversity and he brings you through that, that's like he has increased the strength of the foundation of your life and your faith in him. [music]

>> brennan: the trump administration missed a congressional deadline the officially weigh in on whether saudi crown mohammad bin

salman was responsible for the murder of jamal khashoggi. we spoke friday with the saudi minister of affairs adel al-jubeir and asked him about his meeting with the secretary of state earlier in the week. >> the death of jamal khashoggi was a massive tragedy. it was a mistake. it was committed by officials in the saudi government acting outside their scope of authority. the king ordered an investigation. the investigation led to the arrest of a number of individuals. 11 of those individuals have been charged by the public prosecutor and trials have begun. we have said we will investigation. we will hold those accountable, and those responsible accountable, and we will punish them. the crown prince had nothing to do. and there was no order to murder jamal khashoggi. the whole country was troked. the trial is taking place. i tell people, wait until the legal process plays out and then

secretary state us he agrees that theown prince had nothing to do with smit. >> i believe the positions of the president and secretary of state are very clear. they said there is no evidence to point in that direction. >> brennan: the intelligence community, though, had a very different conclusion here, and after the c.i.a. director briefed congress, on the details of what the t c.i.a. had found, the senate then passed a bill saying undoubtedly the crown prince knew about what happened. >> i don't know what the c.i.a. briefed them, but i don't believe the c.i.a. briefing that the president and secretary of state or the secretary of defense at the time received did not point in that direction. so i think there may be emotions here. there may be exaggerations here. >> brennan: have you been briefed on what the c.i.a. determined? >> i personally have not, no. but we have communications with them through intelligence channels. >> brennan: exactly. and that intelligence relationship is one of the strongest assets of the work between our two countries, so i

know you would think highly of the c.i.a. and its assessment. when it comes to your own internal investigation, in october is when this murder happened. >> yes. >> brennan: where is jamal khashoggi's body? >> we don't know. >> brennan: what do you mean you don't know? >> we don't know. they said that the public prosecutor is working to try to establish this fact. we have asked for evidence from turkey and he's asked them several times true formal legal channels to provide evidence. we are still waiting to receive any evidence they don't have. >> brennan: are you blaming the turbish government? >> no, i'm blaming the murderers who committed this crime. >> brennan: you have them in custody. >> yes. >> brennan: they can't tell you where the body is? >> we are still investigating. we have a number of possibilities. and we're asking them what they did with the body. i think this investigation is ongoing. i would expect that eventually we will find the truth. >> brennan: "the new york times" has new reporting out detailing how u.s. intelligence intercepted communications of a t crown prince telling a top

aide in 2017 that he would "use a bullet on "washington post" journalist jamal khashoggi if he did not return to the kingdom and end his criticism of the saw si government." what was he talking about? >> i'm not going to comment on anonymous sources. we have seen many such reports over the past two or three months that turned out to be incorrect or that turned out to be incorrect frankly. and so i don't know the background. the crown prince we know did not order. this this was not a government sanction operation. we have an investigation, and we have a trial. and many things have been put out that turned out to be incorrect. >> brennan: did the crown prince know of the murder? you're saying he didn't direct it. >> of course not. of course not. nobody in saudi arabia knew about the murder except the people that did it. that's why when the team came back, we said as far as we know, he let him out through the back door. it turned out to be false. that's when the king asked for an investigation to be launched.

the prosecution launched the investigation. the public prosecutor determined that something went wrong, not in the people in the mission, and basically detained them and questioned them and established that, yes, they did, in fact, murder him. >> brennan: but you realize, though, that threats a a lot of scepticism that there would be this level of dissent to have that large number of people defy the monarch and the crown prince and carry out such a croag -- such a rogue operation. >> oliver north was involved in iran down that. he thought that road rage wanted this, and ronald reagan did not want this at all. abu ghraib you had people abusing prisoners and the president and the vice president and the secretary of state were not aware of it. unfortunately people exceed their authorities. unfortunately people do things wrong. we have done the right thing. we acknowledged that this happened. we acknowledged that these were officials of the saudi government. we acknowledged that they had no

authority to do this. an we jailed them, and now we're putting them on trial. >> brennan: jeff bezos who founded amazon and o.j. simpson the "washington post" is accusing a.m.i. for essentially trying to extort him with incriminating photos. he personally said though that the post's unrelending coverage of the murder, specifically of khashoggi, was undoubtedly unpopular in serb -- certain circles. did the saudi government have anything to do with these leaks to a.m.i.? >> absolutely not. this sounds like a soap opera. this is something between the two parties. we have nothing to do with it. >> brennan: can you say, though, that the saudi government and any of its employees or its contractors definitively, that they had no contact with david pecker or a.m.i.? >> that's as far as i'm aware, and i believe i would be aware. we have absolutely nothing to do with this. maybe some of our citizens reads

the "national enquirer" when they're in the united states. other citizens watch the soap opera unfold on television. but that's it. >> brennan: the full interview with minister al-jubeir is on our website at facethenation.com. we'll be back in a moment.

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>> brennan: the final push to eliminate isis forces from syria has begun. cbs news foreign correspondent charlie d'agata filed this report from the front lines. >> at full sprint we raced through desert wasteland of former isis territory in eastern syria toward the last sliver of land still under the group's control. years of battle etched on the face of our chain-smoking escort behind the wheel. up the stairs in a bombed-out home, the rooftop provides a glimpse of the final isis village. women in black burqas, trucks, motorcycles, daily life of all that's left in the dying days of this so-called caliphate. a local commander told us there had been a pause to let civilians leave before the final offensive, yet moments late twoar air strikes in all

probability from a u.s. warplane struck an isis position in the no-man's-land between the front line and the village. and then one much closer to us followed bay whizzing noise. what sounded like an incoming mortar that sent everyone scrambling. it's not clear how many isis militants remain holdinged up, but the past few days have seen an exodus of families alongx#u some suspected isis fighters among them. they arrive hungry and cold to a desolate holding camp in the desert. the men separated from the women and interrogated. they were promised a utopia of an islamic state, but now these isis families have been reduced to eating american-made rations and living out of a hole in the groundwhisited the front lines a few weeks ago right beside local soldiers launching a barrage of mortars, we found some of the 2,000 american troops who had been at the

forefront of this fight. their kurdish allies have suffered grave losses, more than 8,000 fighters. they now worry the end of isis as a territorial force will he'sen the withdrawal of u.s. troops they desperately rely on for advice, artillery, and especially air power. we know how important america has been to the fight. are you worried about what might happen after american forces leave? >> ( translated ): we started this together with americans on the ground and their air support. just before the end the american decision to withdraw was not a good decision, not the right time. >> isis is cornered now. territory once bigger than indiana now reduced to a strip of land no larger than central park, and unlike every other battle here, this time there is no escape. there is nowhere left to run. so cute (laughs)?

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almost 20 years hooked on pills. >> yep, and in the end no one would even speak to him but m mme . >> reporter: start would just a single bottle of oxy cotton. >> the drug is what takes control of their brain. >> reporter: a massachusetts lawsuit is the first to name some of perdue pharma's owners. claiming they participated in a deadly and illegal scheme. the lawsuit sites portions of newly obtained emails and memo os from then president richard sackler. he once said the launch of oxycontin pills would create a blizzard of prescription that would bury the competition. he wrote we have to hammer on the abusers they are the culprits and the problem. massachusetts attorneygeneral. you think they knew this was addictive? they knew people were dying? and it was greed that drove them

forward? >> of course it was greed. don't want to accept blame. they blame doctors, prescribers and worst of all, patients. >> reporter: adding it cherry picked from among tens of millions of emails and other businesses documents. as for tony, he's seen enough. >> truly, i'd like to see perdue family broke. i'd like the see them put in jail, because that's where they belong. >> reporter: here at tufts more than 200 students go to the sackler school and from beijing back to boston, you can find the sackler name tied to major institutions. where you will not find the sackler name is often tied to the pharmaceutical company that made it rich or the deadly drug crisis that some members of the family are now accused of creating.

it's an epidemic we've covered from just about every side. from over doses. >> it's breaking my heart. >> reporter: to recovery. >> i was two minutes away from not being able to be here. >> reporter: from the dea -- to the former perdue pharma sales rep who feels she may have add thootd problem. >> it was omways in the back of my mind that maybe they had rnt told us the whole truth. >> reporter: alleging eight members of the sackler family caused much of the opioid epidemic, by cepidem by controlling the sale for their oxycontin. none of the family members named in the lawsuit have commented. >> their policy until now has been to be utterly silent, never make a comment about the opioid epidemic and never acknowledge

their conkz. >> reporter: he wrote an article for "esquire." detailing the brothers. >> they were hell bent on becoming super rich. >> reporter: arthur got rifrp turning a different company's pill, valium, into a top selling drug. >> his idea was why don't we give this to all kinds of patients for all kinds of ailments, for sexual problems, trouble sleeping. >> reporter: arthur died years before oxycontin came to market. but his family used the method to sell it as widely as possible. turned them into one of the 20th richest families in the u.s. a low profile. they have homes all over the world, including on this block,

one of the most exclusive in new york city. while many have sat on the board of perdue for decades, none has ever sat for an interview. we're stopping by in hopes of changing that. i'm tony -- with cbs news. are you one of the sackler family members? security turned us away from this home but it was easy to find signs of the sackler influence. their name is tied to the gugen hiem, the american museum of natural history the duchess of cambridge attended the opening of the sackler court yard. there's even a sackler wing that famed metropolitan museum of arts. where last year dozens of protesters tossed pill bottles inside, calling it a temple of greed. the only sackler willing to talk to us, was arthur's widow who

notes he died long before the opioid crisis and his branch of the family never profited from it. she said arthur would be horrified about his it their alnled actions. >> this is about the gugenheim, the natural history museum. they're in so deep with the sacklers, profiting off the opioid epidemic, there's going to have to be an recing. >> reporter: andmany of these institutions received money long before the opioid epidemic. here at tufts they'real of thei pharma. the one place we could not find the sackler name but activists said we should is on a drug rehab facility. >> starting in 2007 the sackler family paid themselves more than

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welcome back to the "overnight news." i'm meg oliver. the opioid crisis gripping the nation is taking a toll on children. more than 1 million american kids now live with grarntsz, mostly because their parents are addicted to drugs. they're coming out of retirement and blowing through savings to take care of the grand kids. and to utah to get a first-hand look at the crisis. >> reporter: 9-year-old cheyenne and her 7-year-old suster have never been happier.

until recently they lived with their mom and boyfriend. the couple addicted to heroin or meth o b' grandmother. to see them now secure in their grandmother's home outside salt lake, city, it's hard to believe they once moved from home to home to homeless. you remember being homeless? >> a little. >> reporter: where would you go? >> under trees. >> reporter: like camping? >> yeah. >> reporter: times they did have a roof over their heads, they didn't have much else. did you have enough food? >> sometimes but not always. i hid it under my bed. >> reporter: what would you hide? >> top ramen. something easy to cook. >> reporter: how old were you? >> five/six. >> reporter: how did you know to step up and take care of your little sister and cook? >> i knew that she needed it so

i decided to be something i'm not. >> which is? >> reporter: a grown up. >> you decided to be a grown up? >> yeah, i tried to be a grown up for lila. >> reporter: because of her daughter's drug addictions, she told us she knew her granddaughters were in danger to keep track of them and prove, she gave her daughter a van with hidden tracking device. >> it would record her going from meth house to meth house to meth house. >> reporter: she says her granddaughters were in that van. she knew she had to save them from her own daughter. >> well, the grandchildren are young and innocent. they're basically captives of a parent. someone has to look after them and that person had to be me. >> reporter: after providing

tracking records of her daughter's drug-filled nights a judge named cheryl guardian of cheyenne and lrila. >> reporter: can you forgive your mom? >> not until she gives it up. >> reporter: do you think she's going to stop using the drugs? >> no. >> reporter: they haven't seen their mom in over a year. >> i'm not really happy about it but i know that i have another mom right here. >> reporter: down the road in salt lake city, alexia told us she too had to step up to be a parent for her younger brother and sisters as their mother spiralled down into drug and alcohol addiction. >> she was never there and if we wanted to get food, we had to get ourselves. i think she forgot she ehad kids some of the time.

>>, so you took care of them? >> i would change them diapers and get them baby food. >> reporter: how old were you? >> younger than 10. >> reporter: when their mother was around, she said she'd take the kids on excursions to pilfer in the neighborhood. >> if we saw somebody with a big giant snow globe and snowman, we'd unplug it,flate it and put it in the wagon. >> reporter: your mom would sell these things? >> she'd sell them and then go buy drugs and if she had any money left, she would buy us candy for helping her or she'd steal us candy. and we're kids. candy's everything. >> reporter: when alexia filled in as mom, she managed to give her younger siblings candy that knows to a sympathetic store

keeper. >> sometimes i would get together couch change and the guy at the register would let us take the candy if i didn't have enough change. >> reporter: he knew. i heard about couch hopping. >> so we were homeless at a point in time. we would go to my mom's friends house, random friends and sleep on their couch for a couple of days and once they kicked us out, we'd go to another couch. we mostly stayed at crack houses p>> reporter: couch hopping endd five years ago when they were legally taken mckenzie 11, and ember eight, all pitch in at grandma's house. it's now home. what's better about loving with

grandma than your mother? >> you get regular food and we get nice clothing. >> we have stuffed animals. we don't have a bathroom filled with dirty clothes luke a mount oen. >> and we always know year going to have a decent meal so we're not sleeping hungry. >> reporter: i heard that you would sleep on the stairs. >> yeah, because -- so my mom she would leave in the middle of the night and go who knows where and not come back for sometimes it would be a couple days. i thought maybe if i slept on the stairs, she would be scared to step on me and so she wouldn't leave. >> reporter: did that work? >> sometimes. sometimes she would skip that step and she would still go out. >> reporter: some nights their grandmother beth would secretly park down the from where they

were staying that time to keep watch all night. >> it always made me feel safer that she was out there, because we knew if anything were to happen, we could get ahold of her really quickly. >> reporter: like your guardian angel? >> yes. >> reporter: being a guardian angel has taken a toll. beth told us she wiped out her savings. alexia got a job to help without bills. >> sometimes i can't pay the electric bill and i go to the food bank a lot. if i buy them things used i put them in a box and give to them and they don't complain. >> reporte >> reporter: what has your grandmother hato sacrifice? >> dating. she stez all the time. dpr i haven't dated in years. >> she's had to sacrifice almost everything.

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finding a beer used to be a challenge. now drug use is out in the open. stoked by the opioid crisis, 21,000 children just in utah live with their grandparents. >> everyone tell me your name. >> reporter: mccall hicks runs a nonprofit organization that helps grandparents and grandchildren adjust to new family arrangements. there's a growing demand for its services because of the opioid crisis. >> unfortunately opioids a very hard addiction to overcome. so the likelihood of these parents actually overcoming their addictions and coming home and being able to parents is very low. >> reporter: she introduced us to the families we interviewed. she told us young children of addicts often assume the role of parent.

>> parentify. i do my best to help them feel like a child again. grandma and grandpa are there to take care of them now and they don't need to worry about the safety of their children because that's the adults. job. >> reporter: they bring the generations together for holiday parties. she says it's important for them to see many others are in the same boat. >> they're able to connect with others in similar situations and have friends and don't feel so isolated and alone anymore. >> we found people that went to the same type of thing and it was really help fool actually express what was happening to us and they could relate to what was happening. >> reporter: elly and her brothers and grandparents were all aided by grandparents. they moved in with their mom's parents after their family fell apart.

first their dad abandoned them. then they say their mom and ended up homeless.on the sm at stop at this gas station. their mother never came to pick them up. >> she called and said we're sitting here waiting and my mom hasn't come. >> reporter: cindy send their grandfather to pick the kids up. they thought thaud rr only have them for a few days. >> and a few days turned into weeks and into months. >> reporter: how many years now? >> three and a half -- two and a half going on three. >> we were going to simplify life and travel. >> it didn't work out that waw. grdparents. >> reporter: the kids said with their mother often sleeping or out of the house, they could do what they wanted but their grandparents insist on rules.

>> it sucks having rules and chores but its to the happen for us to actually grow up and be responsible adult and take charge of our lives. >> reporter: michael, you are fighting cancer. >> that's true. i have a terminal cancer. >> reporter: so has this been especially tough on you? >> yeah. i have good day bad days. >> i worry that i'll miss something in his care and i have -- >> reporter: they say being parents again has strained his health, their marriage and their bank account. what has this done to your savings? >> yeah. >> i work full time and two >> reporter: their daughter been in rehab.

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spokeswoman: try a mcdonald's mini meal for just 3.99. (pleasant whistling tones) flags are flying at half staff in michigan where thousands are expected to gather to pay their final respects to the late congressman, john dingell. he passed away thursday. he was 92. tributes have come from all across the political spectrum. president obama said he led the charge for so much of the progress we take for granted today. former president george w. bush said he was a fine gentleman who showed graut respect for our country and our people. he passed many pieces of landmark legislation. john dickerson has the story. >> i see a waste of time, a waste of money and the behavior of a bunch of people who look small -- >> reporter: on the floor, john

dinge lr dingell was known for his temper quick whit. >> presidents come and presidents go and john dingell goes on forever. >> reporter: he took over the seat held by his father, john dingell sr and helped lead the fight for civil rights. on face the nation he told bob schiffer his vote for the civil rights bill was one of his proudest moments. >> do you think you could pass the 1964 civil rights bill today? >> i said before i am not sure we could pass the 10 commandments in this congress. >> reporter: he announced his retirement. >> i want to enjoy a little bit

peace and quiet. >> reporter: it ignited his peppery sense of humor. zingers that had many of his followers questioning if it was really the 92-year-old typing them. >> there's no way 100-year-old john dingell is tweeting this. [ bleep] >> reporter: our note to self sear as. >> there will always be work left to do and never enough hours in the day but with god's help, you'll try. our people still need public servants. with every good wish, john. >> a public visitation for congressman dingell will be held in dear born, michigan and followed by a funeral at another church. a funeral service is planned in washington before his burial at arlington national cemetery. and for some of you the news continues. for others, check back later for

the morning ns and of course "cbs this captioning funded by cbs it's monday, february 11th, 2019. this is the "cbs morning news." >> that's why i'm not going anywhere. >> embattled virginia governor ralph northam vows to stay in office. this as the lieutenant governor could face articles of impeachment today after two accusations of sexual assault. the race for president heats up. more democratic hopefuls throw their hats into the ring. and music's biggest night showcasing its biggest stars. the best performances at the grammy award