>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we're continuing our conversation with texas republican congressman will hurd. to pick up where we left off, we were talking about how your home district is going to be impacted by this emergency declaration. today white house senior adviser steven miller told fox news's chris wallace that the white house has the authority to build a couple hundred miles by the end of the next appropriations cycle, which is september 2020. you sit on house appropriations. can congress or the courts stop the administration from getting the money to do this? >> well, this -- what this national emergency declaration does is it says the president is going to obligate funds, so he's going the take funds from other places, but you can't spend $ billion in the next six months. so i think you're going to see in the next appropriations cycle is restricting some of that

funds. the question you have is when it comes to military construction. right? can you take funds that was going to be used to construct things in the military, and you outlined a couple of items earlier in the segment, but how about the fact that in my district in del rio, texas, this produces more pilots than any other facility in the united states of america. if it rains more than an inch, the flight line gets flooded and they can't train. we have been working on fixing that. we're trying to get more additional funds. if you're going to reprogram money, that's a good place to spend that kind of money ra try. an we have to remember, there are already 654 miles of wall or barrier or whatever you want to call it. steel fencing. the president has already been authorized over $55 million in the last appropriation bill. he was able to reauthorize $750 million within homeland security. my concern is our government wasn't designed to operate by

national emergency. unfortunately, a congress that existed before i was born usurped some of their power, it gave some of their power away to the executive branch. our government was designed for the most ultimate power, the power of the purse to, reside within congress. an we shouldn't have an executive, i don't care if it's republican or democrat, that tries to get around congress with this national emergency declaration. >> brennan: so would you support a resolution to try to stop the president from doing that? >> i would support something that reviews who can -- how you declare a national emergency. i would support something that prevents, that actually is going to prevent taking money out of military construction that's going to go to our men and women who are willing to further on a uniform, put themselves in harm's way, and they need to make sure that we have the tools that they're properly trained and they're properly equipped to do things. so i'm always open to making sure that congress take back

some of this power as a co-equal branch of government. i'm sure there will be a lot of conversations. we're almost in unchartered territory. i think based on my research, this is one of the first times that there has been a disagreement between the executive branch and congress on what is indeed a national emergency. it sets a dangerous precedent, but there will be a lot of people focusing on this over the next couple weeks. >> brennan: so to be clear, you are saying this wall you don't think the united states sneeze on national security grounds will actually adversely impact national security because it will hurt the redness of some of these military bases in your district? >> if you're taking money away from the military, we just spent the last four years rebuilding our military, making sure the men and the women in our armed forces have the tools they need. i don't want to see that money being taken away from that. this, we went through a number of hearings and investigations in order to figure out where that money needs to go. and so that is how our government is supposed to operate. >> brennan: and you're

confident that congress can stop that money from being raided from those military construction funds, the $3.6 billion? >> i would say people are going to be exploring how that can ultimately be done, because we're in unchartered territory. but i want to also make it clear that $67 billion worth of drugs are coming into our country. 400,000 people came to our country illegally last year. we have a problem at our border. we don't have what i call "operational control" of our border, meaning we know everything that is going back and forth across our border some this is a problem. and the only way we solve the problem is looking at all 2,000 miles of our southern border at the same time. the only way to do that is with manpower and technology inch someplaces a physical warier makes sense where there is urban contact. we already have 654 miles of physical barrier. so we have to be thinking about strategy, not a focus on just one tool within that strategy. >> brennan: congressman, thank you very much for joining us

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to cbsn, our digital network. leslie, let me start with you. you heard the president lay out his case for this emergency. "the new york times," though, in terms of writing about the fallout said it was the most punishing defeat mr. trump has experienced as a president. do you agree? >> i don't think republicans are going to agree on that. what's interesting, i was speaking to a lot of the legislative leaders and business leaders along the texas-mexico border, and they feel this is not a real solution but a political one. but if you look at the fact that there is a tremendous amount of baseline support to secure the border, where the president does not have the support is over 60% according to what gallop has been looking at, some other research, don't support the idea of a physical wall some it's parsing those words. i think, margaret, if he can show he's securing with both technology, technical infrastructure, human capital, you know, all the things that border enforcement is saying they need, then i think he's going to get a legislative win on that. however, if it just looks like a contiguous border, he's not.

i do want to point out, the president has walked that back. on numerous occasions he said, the wall gizo the entire 2,000-mile border. that's not the reality. for that extent and that in mind, i this i we're making progress. >> can i follow up, you mentioned this was a political solution. republicans on the hill feel the same way. they're very annoyed in some cases that they're being sort of unwittingly dragged into the president's 2020 reelection effort. the president feels declaring this emergency will help his own reelection. this is dividing lawmakers. you saw that with your interview with will hurd saying this is a bad idea. he can see constituents have their land seized and it would be taking money from the military with people like lindsey graham saying, oh, you know, this is going to secure our country. so right now it's really dividing the party. >> real quick, in the conference there was a big point of saying, not only with congressman hurd but the democrats saying we want pop pornography, local leaders

to be involved in the discussion, because you don't want to be building eminent domain on people's land, issues with live stocking and using the rio grande for other purposes. so there is a lot of disagreement with how that's done, but now that the president is backpedaling on how you secure the border, i think there can be a positive. >> whether this is a win or loss for the president, the president wants to be seen as the ultimate winner. but look at his news conference. it took him pfeiffer minutes to get to the idea he was declaring a national mastering similar he was acknowledging it would probably with stooped in court. he didn't act like a winner in announcing this in the rose garden the way he did. he took questions on a lot of other topics, which is fine. we want to hear him make news, be if he believed this was a winning strategy, i think he would have -- i think you would have seen a much more determinative announcement in the way he rolled that out. >> one reason i believe the president was not able to communicate the national emergency in a winsome way is it's it's not winsome. it's widely unpopular with many

people outside of his base, which is where the majority of voters are. this is an approach that's popular with republicans that back trump, but we know he won because so many independents came over to support him. and he needs those votes, as well, if he's going to do well in 2020. recent polling, especially after the near term, shows he's not doing well with those voters. >> brennan: rachael, i want to ask you about the other news we have here from that tremendous interview on "60 minutes" and andrew mccabe. look, mccabe is gone. jim comey is gone. there is a new attorney general, bill barr, who is now on the job, and senator lindsey graham is now in the chairmanship of the judiciary committee. so where does all of this head next? >> that story is not over. mccabe may with gone, rosenstein is heading toward the exit, but this whole notion about this 25th amendment and whether there was a conversation to try to oust the president and see if there was support to oust the president, republicans will continue in that vein. it's interesting, it looks like lindsey graham as chairman of the judiciary committee will pick up right where house republicans left off when they lost the majority and democrats

took over, you know, before the past two years, republicans in the house have sort of been doing this investigate the investigator sort of inquiry about whether there is bias at the f.b.i. or the justice department. that has gone away. they have red cross their subpoena power. and graham is showing he's not only going to pick that up, he potentially will go even further by telling you that he is willing to subpoena rosenstein and bring in mccabe to actually ask them what happened with these conversations. >> brennan: where does that fit in, you jean, to the political strategy here in terms of laying the groundwork for the mueller report? >> i would imagine in part it is to keep people questioning mueller and the bias that the president believes exists within f.b.i., the whole witch hunt idea, just taken to the next step, trying to put some meat, on those bones and looking at people like lindsey graham to be able to do that and argue that the president's suspicions are credible and they're not irrational, whether or not they're actually going to be able to do that, people are still waiting to see.

but what we do know is most americans according to polling in the "washington post" want to see this investigation continue because they do believe mueller is more likely to be credible than the president himself. >> brennan: david, switching gears here, we heard overnight that our heather nauert is withdrawing her name from consideration to be the next u.n. ambassador. what happened? why did she do that? >> well, we understand that her nomination was languishing in part because her own team had not even forwarded all the necessary paperwork to the senate committee that would have to do her oversight hearing. i think reason is that she actually employed a nanny who was in the country legally from another county, but she had not been necessarily had a work permit to work here legally, taxes were not being paid on time. nauert had flagged this internally, but it's become an issue of this being a problem and a disqualifying measure, something that would be embarrassing not only the her family, but also could stand in

the way of the senate moving forward. this is a blow to the administration, though, because she's certainly someone i think that the president had grown to trust in her role as a spokeswoman at the state department. and he had his own -- president trump had had his own problems with the previous u.n. secretary nikki haley in some cases. he believed this was someone who would be very loyal to him, but they seem to be making the decision to move on. >> brennan: leslie, is this disqualifying? >> for some it isn't, for some it is not. it reminds me of the 1993 nominate when you had the story that bill clinton tried to nominate two candidates who had nannies who were undocumented or unthere was wilbur ross who perhaps didn't pay taxes on people who worked domestically in the household. they're that redding that needle. i think it's changed a lot in that conversation, but going back to our first topic, it becomes an issue of labor and undocumented individuals working in these households and not

paying taxes. >> brennan: rachael, some have put this in the context of the president has had this happen with a few different nominees or at least people he said he's going to nominate. is the white house really setting up their selections for success? the president's tweeting this morning blaming democrats for stalling his ambassadors from being confirmed. >> that's just a way to shift the narrative and try to point the finger. there has been complaints including by some republicans on the hill that the white house does not do enough to vet people before they actually put them forward. this has been an issue. mick mulvaney, the now-acting chief of staff, had his own issue for not playing taxes again for i believe it was a nanny. it's an boston marathon for the the -- it's an embarrassment for the administration. democrats would like to see them button that up before they move forward. >> and this is on the heels of the president's own employment of undocumented workers at his golf club for years at a time that he was running for president and railing on the use of undocumented immigrants. now declaring this a a national emergency. this would have fed into all

sorts of other questions that congress and certainly democratic lawmakers will want to ask. >> brennan: eugene, we had two of our senators as guests from munich, from the security conference. there has been a lot said about the important, or the statement being made to have such a big congressional delegation at what is a conference bill around celebrating alliances, something that the administration is often criticized for not valuing enough. you had former vice president biden. there you had the current vice president mass pike -- miami there. what was the reaction like to mike pence's presence there? >> mike pence was suggesting the america first mindset the president has been campaigning on and leading since entering the oval office is in the best interest for the world as a whole. on multiple occasions lines that he's used to receiving applause and taking breaks for were met with silence. in part because we know that many of our european allies do

not see the united states as any longer a world leader when it comes to security issues and boldly disagree with much of what the president has put forward. it's telling to see how surprised pence himself was that he was not met with the same type of support that he usually is met with when he's making these same statements on the campaign trail or within groups here in the states that are used to supporting him and backing what the president believes to be in the interest interest of the county and the world. >> brennan: david, in contrast to that, act will merkel, the german chancellor, was well received. it was noted she said she doesn't understand how possibly her country could be called a national security threat when b.m.w.s are made in the united states these days. it was almost a laugh line at the president's trade policies here. and saying here that he's vacating space to iran. our closest allies are really at a distance. >> no surprise that angela merkel has been at odds with president trump, but she seem in

this case to be unbound about any concerns about her own political future given she won't pursue another term as chancellor. but think about this. i was thinking about last september at the u.n. general assembly in new york. president trump came up and said he had done more than any other president in two years. he got laughed at. he went to france and paris for the 100th year anniversary of world war i and emmanuel macron delivered a pointed rebuke of nationalism with trump right there in the audience. now vice president pence goes to this conference and is greeted with silence. what's worse, getting laughed at or having radio silence? i'm not sure what's worse? but there continues to be this message, and angela merkel on her final tour here, a couple years will be continuing to deliver this pointed rebuke of trump. >> i think that's why you saw a lot of lawmakers joining in munich this weekend, because they wanted to reassure our allies that we are still on your side. former vice president joe biden also gave a speech to the

audience, talking about how when i travel around the country and i talk to americans, americans still see you guys as important to our national security, that we still want to be in nato, and we're not looking at leaving even the president had talked about doing such a couple week ago. you're seeing this bipartisan pushback on the president, including several votes in the house and senate where they have actually rebuked the president's foreign policy. so we'll have to see as time goes on, are more republicans breaking with him on that to push back and sort of reclaim our standing in the world? >> i think it's an important point and i believe they are on that. also interesting, vice president biden, former vice president was there. have have not heard a lot from those who are expected to throw their hat into the ring in 2020 on national security, but he staked that out, at least for the weekend. we'll be back in a moment with former virginia governor terry mcauliffe.

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good to have you here. certainly your state of virginia continues to deal with racism. the governor, northam, who we heard from last week, has refused to resign, despite near universal calls among elected democrats to do so. can he survive? >> yes. i think he's made a decision he's going to stay in, but the way that ralph survives and brings virginia back together, he's got to lean in on these very important issues, which i talk about in the book. he's got the use executive authority as governor. you know, i used executive authority. i took the confederate flag off the virginia license plates. i banned the box on any state employment forms. as you know, i restored the felon rights of 173,000 individual, more than any governor in u.s. history. i was sued by the republicans. we ultimately won. the reason i was so adamant about doing that was because of virginia's racial history. it goes back to the jim crow laws. in 1902, a state senator

disenfranchised felons and a poll tax and a literacy test to put it in his congress tiews. he said, "i'm eliminating -- i'm doing this to eliminate the darkies from being a political force." i was able to enfranchise all these people to give them a second chance. this is what our leadership in virginia needs to do. we need to lean in. we have had a horrible history. you look at charlottesville, margaret, i can't even say to you on tv what i heard that day against members of the african american community and members of the jewish faith. these people walking down the streets, you know, they used to wear hoods. they used to do it at night because they were embarrassed. they don't feel they have to wear hoods anymore. they can do it in broad daylight. something has gone wrong in our country. i talk in the book about how we got to bring our country back together. we have to deal with tissues of the past, what we need to go forward. >> brennan: what about lieutenant governor fairfax, who

faces sexual assault charges. >> serious allegations have been made. they need to be investigated.rcn investigation. the two women have called for an investigation inch massachusetts this week i believe they've opened up a week, and i believe duke university has opened up an investigation some we will go through that process. what i'm hoping now is what has happened here, you know, we're a great state. i was very proud as governor. i eliminated all the horrible biases that we had. remember when i came into office, the republicans had wanted to shut all the women's clinics down. we had horrible legislation against women, the transvaginal bill, horrible legislation against members of the lgbt community. we got rid of all that. we became open and welcoming. that's why we got amazon. >> brennan: i was going the ask you about that. >> that's why we got amazon. you cannot succeed, you cannot grow your state unless you're perceived as open and welcoming to everyone. >> brennan: so new york, as

you know, amazon pulled out of new york after they had bid for this facility there, but some of the outcry locally and then nationally from progressives was saying this is a win against big corporations. this is a win for the little guy. for you, what do you think the impact is? does this in any way paint the democratic party, as well, as anti-business? >> i certainly hope not. listen, i put the bid in for amazon in september '17 while i was governor. before i put the bid new york worked with my state legislators, i worked with all of the local immunities in northern virginia and richmond and hampton roads, so when our bid went in, everybody was all inch i cannot for the life of you understand after this bid went in why the locals came out against it. you should have done the due dell gentz before you submitted the bid. it doesn't make any sense. more importantly, our bid, we won and we're going to create 25, up to 37,000 jobs in virginia, high-paying jobs, you've got to build an economy for the future. i just read a report that

artificial intelligence will eliminate 40% of the world's jobs in the next two decades. you better be creating new 21st century jobs. we welcome amazon. now, they don't get any money until they come in and create the jobs and pay the taxes. it's all how you structure the deal. so if jeff bezos, if you're watching here, thank you for coming to virginia. you don't want to go to new york, i would tell you bring the other jobs to virginia. we are an open, welcoming, dynamic state. we're the number-one state for cyber, for data, for unmanned systems. >> brennan: before i let you go, i have to ask you, march 31st you set as your deadline to announce whether you're running for president. what are you waiting for? is it joe biden? >> i'm not. i've spoke within the vice president. i've made hundreds of calls across the country, talked to potential staff. we're close to making a decision. i want to see where the field is. i do think we need in this race a progressive governor who was very jobs oriented, very successful in economic

development. they're not mutually exclusive. a governor is a c.e.o. we build roads, we fix roads, we do need governors in this race, because, you know, we don't get to talk all day. we have to deliver every single day. >> brennan: well, we'd love to have you back to talk about it when you're ready to make a >> dr. stanley: remember this: cannot change the laws of god. when he has visited you in some form of adversity and he brings you through that, that's like he has increased the strength of the foundation of your life and your faith in him. [music] ♪ [baby crib musical mobile]

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