began. jeff. >> thank you very much. it was revealed today that a former top aid to pope francis was convicted by an australian court of molesting two choir boys. cardinal george pell is the highest ranking church official ever convicted of abuse. >> reporter: cardinal george pell was heckled as he left the melbourne court. one of the most powerful men in the catholic church, the former vatican treasurer and top adviser to pope francis was convicted of sexually abusing two 13-year-old boys in 1996. the verdict had been suppressed for more than two months due to a gag order imposed by the court meant to avoid prejudicing a

jury for a separate trial now dropped due to a lack of evidence. pell has always maintained his innocence. >> the whole idea of sexual abuse is abhorrent to me. >> reporter: his legal team filed an appeal. today the vatican said it would await that verdict before taking any action but confirmed restrictions on pell. >> cardinal pell is prohibited from exercising public ministry and from having any voluntary contact whatsoever with minors. >> reporter: this follows the vatican sex abuse summit criticized by victims for the lack of concrete results. >> we see that nobody is untouchable. we have seen this with the former cardinal and priest. we have seen this now with cardinal pell who has been subjecttrial. >> reporter: consequences could include being defrocked or removed from the college of

cardinals. pell faces up to 50 years in prison. >> thank you very much. in a new hbo documentary, two men that met michael jackson when they were children accused the singer of repeated sexual abuse. jackson of course fought off similar allegations until his death nearly ten years ago. his family is, again, fighting back. an interview with gayle king airs tomorrow on cbs this morning. >> every night that i was with him there was abuse, while my mother was, you know, next door. >> reporter: the explosive allegations are made in a new documentary by two mene sy assar years by michael jackson and warned to keep it a secret. >> he started talking about how much he loves me. what this is is us, how we show our love for each other. and that other people are

ignorant and they're stupid and they would never understand. >> reporter: it comes after years of denials of molestation. >> what is he like? >> he's a good guy. >> he's a good guy? no nonsense? no shenanigans? >> reporter: it's a story the jackson family denounced calling them opportunists and admitted liars and the documentary, a one sided marathon of propaganda. a position that gayle king took up with the director. >> did you not think it was necessary to hear from members of his family? >> well this isn't a film about michael jackson. it's a film about the two little boys to whom this dreadful thing happened long ago. >> reporter: king sat down with the jackson family for their side of the story. >> why do you think they're coming forward now? >> money? >> you think it's all about money? >> it's always been about money. >> did it not seem odd to you

that your brother would share a bed or have slumber parties with young children? >> i grew up in it for me it wasn't odd. to the outside world, i think yes. it can be odd. i'm not oblivious to what it sounds like but when you're actually there in that atmosphere and you're around it and you're watching movies where there's kids, it's very innocent. but the fault on my uncle was he didn't have that bone in his body to look at it the other way. his niavity with his downfall. >> cbs news new york. >> we'll have more of gayle's interview with the jackson family on cbs this morning. leaving neverland airs march 3rd and 4th on hbo. >> coming up, top drug company executives are forced to explain rising prices. billions of bacteria,

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cars. families were evacuated. the weather was blamed for at least two deaths in tennessee. one of the greatest of all time here at cbs news passed away. his name was alan weisman. he went on to produce dozens of unforgettable stories. alan was the one that set up the legendary game of pool with jackie gleason. i worked with him for years including at 60 minutes sports. i don't know if i could fully describe what he meant to us. but he could. he was that good at crystallizing the human condition. he was brilliant and brutal and he knew what mattered. he fought for it every single day and we will miss him so much. up next, america's first television war.

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our coverage of the u.s.-north korea summit here in vietnam marks a return for cbs news. the most important events of the vietnam war, events that changed our country and this one forever captured in real time by cbs news crews. >> lending craft brought most of the marines through the choppy waves of the south china sea. >> reporter: by march 8th, 1965, cameras were rolling as u.s. marines landed. >> they are the first combat troops to enter the country. >> reporter: four months later, walter cronkite's crew prepared to fly. for the first time, news from the front lines was straight into homes across the

country. >> you can hear what happened. >> reporter: the realities of war. >> the marines are burning this old couple's cottage because fire was coming from here. >> reporter: documented marines destroying homes. 150 homes were leveled in retaliation for a burst of gunfire. it painted a new kind of picture, an ugly uncensored one. >> there were 16 wounded men on the ground. >> the reels kept coming. america's f this is a cbs news special report. i'm john dickerson in new york. president trump and north korean leader kim jong-un are holding the first talks in their second

summit right now. twot are about to meet for the first time since they arrived in hanoi, vietnam. they will speak one-on-one. there they are greeting. they're before north korean flags and the american flag. they'll have dinner together with their top advisers and talk tomorrow morning local time. our senior foreign affairs correspondent and face the nation moderator, margaret brennan is in hanoi. let's listen in first to the president. >>. [ inaudible ] >> the senior foreign affairs correspondent and face the nation moderator is in hanoi. margaret, good mornld hear.

sounded like there was a question about walking back the u.s. position. i don't know if you could hear what the president said. good morning, margaret. >> reporter: good morning to you, john from hanoi here. we're a short distance from that hotel. the hotel where the two leaders are meeting right now. what you heard were questions from reporters who are in the room for that historic handshake. it is historic that this meeting is happening at all. what you heard being asked was walking back the u.s. position, have you agreed to denuclearization and what that actually means. the short answer to that question is no. this is simply tonight a meeting to set the tone for negotiations that will get under way tomorrow. that very basic question of what denuclearizing north korea would look like, how it would be carried out, those details are still up nor negotiation, john. it's extraordinary to see them shake hands as they just did,

because in many ways what president trump is giving kim jong-un what he wants the most, a position on the global stage, looking at him, even referring to him as a friend today. a man not only the head of a rogue nuclear state, but one that is a massive human rights abuser. i want to bring into the conversation major garrett our chief white house correspondent who traveled with president trump yesterday. major, i know this has been a scramble in the past two weeks to come up with some kind of agenda. >> right. >> it's really been up to the last minute. they're not clear on what the president will agree to. >> right. there's been an improvisational quality to all of this. there's been less preparation publicly. we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. less preparation publicly. for example, in singapore, mike pompeo gave a press conference to tee up the meeting.

there was a reference to this dinner tonight. described as a social dinner. it doesn't feel to me like a social dinner at all. it feels to me like a place where serious preparatory conversations are going to go on. two top advisers to chairman kim, acting chief of staff mick mulvaney and the secretary of state. notably absent the national security adviser. that begins to suggest, if not some difficulty between the national security adviser and the secretary of state but certainly an effort by the chief of staff, the acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney to put himself front and center in the core of these negotiations and what's probably going to be an hour, hour and a half dinner tonight >> we know mike pompeo has been the lead. this is his show. as you rightly point out, there's a noticeable absence from the center. the national security adviser was staked out hard positions for the ubs a.s. and his differt times how to carry out -- he's not in that room.

>> mick mulvaney the act of chief of staff brought two senior aides with him. he spent the entire week in hanoi prepping for this encounter. ebs been focusing on this summit and what to get out of it. as you implied early on, we still don't have, being the two countries, a shared definition of denuclearization or peace. here the two leaders are sitting down. as you mentioned, margaret, all of these photos and video around the world convey one thing. if not moral equivalency at least an equality of representation of the united states and north korea. something literally inconceivable before the trump era began. >> critics of this administration would argue not only is a reward but something that is one of the biggest pressure points the united states have. kim jong-un does not look isolated or rogue. he's next to president trump as almost an equal. john? >> margaret, let me ask you and

major, we know that denuke learization is the big prize in any kind of ultimate negotiations. what, though, is the first baby step. after the first meeting in singapore, they said the real thing to look for is a full list of what north korea says it has, where it had them so that list can be verified. is that the thing to look for as a quote-unquote deliverable from this meeting short of complete denuclearizatio denuclearization? >> john, you put your finger on one of the bigger issues right now. national security adviser john bolton has publicly said that inventory needs to be handed over and quickly towards the beginning of the talks. how can we get rid of something you won't admit you have and can you match that against what u.s. intelligence knows the north koreans have. that list has not been handed over. there is pressure on north korea to do that. the envoy leading these talks in the weeks up to this point, steve beeg an, he's new to this. he wasn't in singapore.

he's indicated that doesn't have to be a first step. yes, the u.s. wants it, but it doesn't have to be handed over right away. that's one point of difference, just one between the national security adviser and the state department. it's not clear yet if we can expect out of this summit to get that inventory. i spoke to state department officials who would, indeed, like to see it. but they've presented a number of options to the president in terms of things he could offer north korea. north korea thinks they've given up more than they've gotten. i'm told now the president is speaking. let's try to hear what he's saying. >> and it's good to be with you. we had a very successful first summit. i felt it was very successful. some people would like to see it go quicker. satisfied, you're satisfied, want to be happy with what we're doing. i thought the first summit was a great success and i think this one will be equal or greater than the first. we made a lot of progress.

i think the biggest progress was our relationship is really a good one. as i've said many times and i say it to the press, i say it to anybody that wants to listen, i think that your country has tremendous economic potential, unbelievable, unlimited. and i think that you will have a

tremendous -- i look forward to watching it happen and helping it to happen. we will help it to happen. thank you all very much. we appreciate it. we're going to go have dinner and we have big meetings scheduled for tomorrow and we'll see you, i guess, at our news conference at some point during the day. thank you very much. >> there we see the president talking again. let me ask you, major garrett, about the president has stressed repeatedly that north korea can

become a great economic power. when we think of carrots and sticks, this is a carrot. in other words, if you do what we want, we'll usher you into the great bounty of the global trade. is that what the president is up to? >> that's one of the things the president has emphasized. that's one of the reasons we're here in hanoi. the president wants kim jong-un to look at hanoi and all of vietnam and say, this is a kun country the united states was at war with, isolated. but then it began to trade with the west and over time, grew it's economy. 35th largest economy according to gdp numbers in the world. north korea, by contrast, 117th. this idea that economic bounty will come and flow to north korea, if it gives up nuclear weapons, is somewhat intriguing to the north but there is a process that goes much before that. it's interesting to see in the sympathetic north korean and state-controlled press leading up to the summit, they've emphasized that the americans have to abandon this idea of

denuclearization before any reduction in economic sanctions, meaning the united states has to offer something to get something. that is not, margaret, i think you would agree with me, the american point of view. the american point of view is you're the rogue actor here, you have to provide specifics about your nuclear program and how it will be inspected and dismantled before there's any relief of sanctions and getting over that gap is going to be a huge issue here in hanoi. >> it is, major. i think it's worth pointing out, one of the key negotiators in the room who came from the cia publicly said just a few days ago that one of the options he thinks is to lift the personal sanctions off those around kim jong-un's family. in other words, you can give some type of financial relief but still keep those really tough sanctions on that you're talking about, the u.n. sanctions, the things that put a choke-hold around the north

korean economy. it's an interesting idea, john, as you talk about carrots and sticks. that economic incentive, yes it's a carrot. it's not clear that kim jong-un wants to bite on that one. it's been a walled off areas within his country. a zone that he can still control. so, yes, there's the hope that they have heard expressed by north korean leaders that they would like to see those sanctions lifted to allow for some economic relief, but the idea that north korea might want to look like this country, vietnam, it's not that clear yet that kim jong-un wants to go that far because of the risk of giving up some of the control that he might have as a result of sort of letting some things flow. >> the reason the second summit is a occurring is the same reason the first one occurred. north korea has to be recognized as some form of nuclear power. that nuclear power reality is what's brought kim jong-un to this stage. it is central to his political strength and a dictatorship but

also north korea's ability to stay on the world stage, it matters. something it's craved for literally decades. giving up that thing which gave it world credibility, that is not only unresolved but unknowable. john? >> excellent point. both of you. thank you, margaret and major. there we have it. that extraordinary picture, two men meeting together. some number of years ago, it would have seemed unthinkable that an american president would have met with a north korean lead leader. it is historic. the question is what will actually come of it. we'll have much more on summit on vietnam on "cbs this morning." coverage will continue throughout the day on your local news. on this cbs station and on our 24-hour treemistreaming network. i'm john dickerson, cbs news, new york.

>> announcer: for news 24 hours several nervous breakdowns he decided to tell what he claims is the real story in a lawsuit against the jackson estate. he was followed a year later. both cases were thrown out because of the statute of limitations. the men are now appealing. >> he started talking about how much he loves me. what this is is how we show our love for each other. other people are ignorant and they're stupid and would never understand. >> the jackson family denounced them as opportunists and admitted liars. his estate also called leaving neverland a one sided marathon of unvetted propaganda to shame leslie exploit an innocent man no longer here to defend himself. he joins us for his first tv interview about making thist th table. very good to see you. >> thank you. >> so already it's created a lot

of controversy and one of the main criticisms about it is that it's very one sided. that you only focused on wade and james and got no reaction from the jackson family or anyone associated on his side. how do you address that? >> well, the allegations directed against michael himself and of course he's no longer around to defend himself. so we included the things he said while he was alive in defense of his behavior, you know, during the 1993 and the 2003 to 2005 investigation. and he went on television and his lawyers made statements and we included a lot of that stuff in there. >> but did you not think it was necessary to hear from members of his family or his lawyers to react specifically to wade and james? >> well, this isn't a film about michael jackson. it's a film about wade and james, two little boys to whom this dreadful thing happened. and it's the story of their coming to terms with that over two decades and the story of their families.

now, you know, as far as including other eyewitnesses to that, there was no one else in the room, i don't believe, when wade was being molested by michael or when james was having sex with michael. >> so they both defended michael jackson in the past including in 1993 when he was accused of sexual abuse and robson testified on his behalf at the trial in 2005. why have their stories changed? >> when people find it difficult to understand, what i always making this film found it difficult to understand and very shocking is the deep attachment that forms between the abuser and the abused. with this kind of grooming activity. so both wade and james were in love with michael and even after the sexual activity stopped they continued loving him and he was a close friend, particularly to wade for many, many years. >> they thought michael was in love with them too. >> michael told them both that he was in love with them. >> they were special. >> they had an amazing future

ahead of them. >> if you're going to be mentionimentio mentioning michael jackson, don't you have some obligation that h interests, even e people though he's not here. don't you have an obligation to talk to the family even if you claim this isn't about him? >> what does the family know about the sexual abuse that happened? do you think they know about the sexual abuse? >> but this is a documentary. >> it is. >> so when you're doing a documentary don't you have the obligation to at least ask the questions? >> we know that the family and the estate and jackson during his lifetime and lawyers all denied that any sexual abuse took place and those views are strongly represented in the film. we give those views a lot of time in the film. >> your characters deny something at one point and you ask them and they change their mind. why not give the family the chance to change their story just as the two main characters did? >> what was important for me was to have eyewitnesses or people

that could add something to the story. i don't know that the jackson family has any direct knowledge of what happened to wade and james. i don't believe they do. if they do then they should -- >> this was clearly very difficult to watch with many disturbing details. how do you vet some of these details, though? because most of this happened with two people in the room according to these two men. >> that's the case with a lot of pedophile allegations. it's two people in the room and often people only come out many years after the sexual abuse has taken place. i did a deep dive into the child sexual abuse allegations against jackson in '93 and 2003 and 20 05 and read a lot of the witness statements there and spoke to investigators and i didn't find anything that contradicted or cast doubt on wade or james acoun accoun accounts. >> the documentary was very graphic. why did you decide to go that way with it?

>> he got away with this image of being a child himself and being affectionate with children and i wanted to make sure that people understood this wasn't overenthusiastic kissing or cuddling, this was sex. the kind of sex adults have but he was having it with a little child. >> he was known to spend a lot of time with children. some famous. they have throughout the years denied any sexual abuse took place. did you walk into this project objectively or did you walk in already believing these two gentlemen? >> i had no prior views about michael jackson. i had never taken a special interest in jackson or in anyone famous. i come from a background of making films about terror imand crime. i didn't want to stake my reputation on a story that didn't have a strong factual basis and that wasn't true. so i did look, you know, throughout the two years of making the film, i looked for anything that could cast doubt or undermine their story.

i found nothi all. i found their stories to be very consistent. i found their families stories to be very consistent. >> were they paid for the documentary? >> they were not paid. they have no financial interest whatsoever and no future, past or present interests. >> one of the criticisms i heard is that they knew each other and they got together with a lawyer and decided that they would -- because you came to them, right? they didn't come to you? >> this is a story that i stumbled across. >> what do you mean stumbled across? >> well, i was sitting down with a channel 4 executive in the u.k. for breakfast one day and he said one of the big stories out there that people think they know but maybe don't really know that have never been conclusively examined and michael jackson was one of those and i had someone do some research for three weeks and in a footnote, in a forum was this reference to wade and james litigating against the michael jackson estate, okay? and that's how i stumbled across this story and here we are now. >> you reached out to them.

>> it's created a lot of conversation. i think people have to see it before they can draw any conclusions on either side. >> there's a divide between before and after watching the film. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> the documentary is called leaving neverland. it will air march 3rd and march 4th on hbo. >> and this story is far from over. a little later, the jackson family gives their first on camera reaction to the documentary on cbs this morning. and on tomorrow's ctm, the young men themselves will detail their allegations. something that you'll see only on cbs. the overnight news will be right back. ♪

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with them. he is along the venezuela-columbia border. >> reporter: waves of protestors faced off with forces. >> we're going to stand up for venezuela even if they don't want to support us. we will find a way. our cameras captured a military officer fleeing to columbia to escape the growing crisis. in a new interview, president maduro blamed the united states for trying to fabricate a crisis to justify political escalation and bring a war to south america. >> they don't want the world to see. >> jorge ramos confronted maduro about that and showed him this video of young venezuelan citizens eating food out of a garbage truck. he and his crew were abruptly detained in a dark room for two hours. >> they told us and confiscated

all of our cameras, four cameras, all of our video. all of our cell phones. >> the incident happened just hours after vice president mike pence met with opposition leader juan giado across the border in columbia announcing new sanctions against maduro's government. >> the tragic events of this past weekend only steeled the resolve of the united states of america to stand with you. >> meanwhile, those along the border remain fearful. she lives in columbia. she says she ran for cover joking during the deadly clashes as four tear gas can nis terkca landed in her home. >> are you concerned about what is going to happen next? this is just starting in your view. >> more than 50 countries recognized guiado as the interim president. but maduro still has strong support within dership.

finally this half hour a lesson in civil rights taught by a class full of 5th graders. >> at the resort in the poconos of pennsylvania, reverand caldwell and his wife grace are arriving for their second honeymoon. they were greeted warmly. a sharp contrast to their first visit 60 years earlier. in 1957 they were married in north carolina and drove 8 hours only to be turned back for being black. >> how did they put it? >> first they pretended i didn't have a reservation where i actually brought a copy. and then they said if we said yes our guests would be very unhappy. >> they had to stay at a black owned hunting lodge instead. >> men with big guns.

>> not what you were planning on for your honeymoon? >> not what we were planning on. >> he immersed himself in the civil rights movement working side by side with martin luther king jr. today he speaks about the movement which is how he ended up at bear tavern elementary in new jersey last year. he told the honeymoon story as he had done 100 times before but for whatever reason, this group of fifth graders really took it to heart. >> at the end of the story i was like, that's just terrible. >> it was heartbreaking. >> just because it's just so wrong. >> i feel like this is the worst thing that someone could do to someone. >> even months after the caldwells visit, kids like emily are still this effected. >> do you feel bad for them? that they had to go through that? >> a ton. >> a ton? >> yeah. >> which is why, each fifth grader wrote a letter. one said the caldwells made me think about not only standing up for myself but standing up for

others and fixing mistakes that were made in the world. in closing, the kids requested an all expense paid honeymoon redo, which they got. >> makes me feel really good inside because we know that even though we're just kids we made an impact on the world. >> it was really magnificent to know that kids cared that much. >> it's so nice. >> i should mention that the original mount ai was torn down years ago. this is a new building with new owners that were just so impressed with the kids they wanted to help make it right. >> was this worth waiting 60 years for? >> obviously this does not make up for decades of racial injustice, but it's a step and a sign that we can get there. >> those kids were raised right. and that is the overnight news for this wednesday. for some of you the news continues. for others, check back with us a