captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: it's sundae may 19th. this is "face the nation." president trump faces push back over his administration's plan from the mexican board are to cities across the country. florida's republican governor says, no. >> we cannot accommodate in florida dumping the unlawful migrants into our state. >> brennan: that has the president tries to overall the legal immigration process and switch to merit-based. >> our proposal is pro sense. >> brennan: but speaker

pelosi calls it dead on arrival. acting secretary. did he havenn.he want war iran.m erin tensions. democrats hit the campaign trail. >> single most important t to accomplish, get this done. beat donald trump. >> brennan: as the field of candidates expands again with 24 now running. we'll talk with one of them, new york senator kirsten gillibrand all that coming up on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to "face the nation." the trump administration says it has run out of space to process thousand of migrants. this week the border patrol

started flying them from facilities in texas to san diego. officials in florida said thursday they were informed by border patrol that hundreds would soon be transported to the miami area. border patrol had also said t administration was considering moving them to detroit and buffalo. but late last night, customs and border patrol disputed that in a statement, quote, contrary to inaccurate reports in the press, have no plans to transport people in our custody to northern or coastal which includes floridament we begin with the acting secretary of homeland security, kevin m mcaleenan which serves as -- welcome to the program. >> goo good to be here. >> brennan: we're hoping you can clarify. this is what we heard from the sheriff in palm beach county. >>iseekoperaon out

of miami informed us that their intentions were to bring about a thousand people every month up into the broward and palm beach county area, 500 in each, and that these people were going to be broug el paso area that have crossed the border i will lowellly. >> brennan: is this still being considered in florida some. >> let me tell you what happened. we're seeing 4,000 families a day, single adults, crossing. that means right now in ports of entry have about 16,000 people in custody. this system is full. we've been very clear about th that. what we're trying to be able to manage that capacity safely, not to bring people where we can process them. as you noted, flights have gone on to san diego and planning factor we're looking at all

options for being able to dough stain people.respeceheriff's concerns, senator rubio, all over the country are extremely we need to have a system at the border. return them effectively that's why we have asked congress. >> brennan: is florida still being considered? >> no. we're using the southwest border sectors for additional capacity. >> brennan: it will not be in the future? >> i don't believe. we're working to increase capacity. we're also working with mexico to be sure that people can wait in mexico. we'll focus on those options. >> brennan: can you explain what changed? we laid out the timeline. on thursday, local officials are told by your agency that this is happening. this morning you tell me it's not. >> it's not. we looked at it from a planning perspective. we do have stations, they're very small, have a few agents that are busy patrolling.

it wasn't going to be an effective use. when you have 16,000 people in custody, in facilities designed for fewer you have to look at any planning. >> brennan: so, to be clear because in that statement that we read, it was blamed on inaccurate reports in the media. >> the reports in the media where it had occurred. >> brennan: that is the part that you're saying the media was in accurate that the flights. but you acknowledge that there were officials who said that this was indeed going to happen in florida. >> u.s. customs and -- >> brennan: and detroit, buffalo. >> they did notify officials locally in those areas that they were looking at the idea. >> brennan: those cities are also off the table. >> correct. >> brennan: this decision was made when? >> the commissioner -- acting commissioner made that decision. >> brennan: yesterday? >> yes. >> brennan: those communities will no longer be expected to

take i can some of the migrants that you say are overwhelming facilities. >> that's right. but we should stay focused on what is happening on the border. the border security and humanitarian crisis. they are creating dramatic challenges. chirp are being smuggled in hands. violent criminal organizations in this hemisphere. we haven't had a solution from congress to stop that. the administers put forward three approaches, supplemental to help, $4.5 billion, to protect children in custody and provide medical care, the processing and provide effective repatriation. worked on emergency approach. that's theai graham bill that was introduced in your open you had the president talking

about more comprehensive immigration aunlawfuling. >> brnan: in the immediates af almost hupped thousand a month. >> correct. >> brennan: what happens to these people now that you're not putting them in other detention facilities elsewhere in the country? processing. working with the secretary of defense to add additional facilities in the border area for single adults that will allow us to in crease our ability to hold people safely. building soft sided facilities for families, for their processing they have more space and more appropriate setting. >> brennan: that takes time. >> we're doing all these things simultaneously. in the two to three weeks out from doing those. in the moving to sectors like san diego. >> brennan: in that period you said, what are the standards going to be like in these facilities? i know you've raised concern about being able to provide for the welfare of -- >> i've been raising concerns

about last june. we went to the border in march had a press conference and over 14,000 ebb custody. now over 16,000 in custody. yes, i'm very concerned about the conditions these are not appropriate facilities. for families and children in particular. these are police stations built for sing l adults that's why we've had congress. >> brennan: you asked for $4.5 billion that you said there. >> correct. >> >> brennan: what driving this wave of immigration? >> the number one factor driving are the factors in our systems, that tell a family you'll be allowed to stay. unaccompanied child be able to join your family here, a parent who might be here. we need to change that dynamic and change it quickly. the other main factor there are challenging situations in central america, poverty and economic gaps we need to work on that. central america, capitol hill to change our legal framework and on the border where we're

increasing security. through additional border barrier, depve yo the president that you disagree with his suggestions to cut foreign aid to those three main countries. >> the president is looking for accountable capacity necessary and programs that have return on investment for american interest. if we can find those programs that are working that are addressing those needs, push back, we'll be able to continue to partner. i'll be down there in two weeks in central america working with my counter parts at money tree of interier talking about increasing the borders. starting at the source of origin with the smugglers that are enticing people into this cycle to address their security. >> brennan: back to what americans can expect to be happening in they communities. the president has said on three different occasions, as recently as april that he wants to ship migrants to sanctuary cities.

it has injected this ideas of politics into this, this came from the president himself, let's listen. >> we're sending many of them to sanctuary cities, thank you very much. not too happy about it. i'm proud to tell you that was actually my idea. >> brennan: do you support that? >> as we've talked about we're balancing operationally the processing of people at the border. california is a sanctuary state by law that is technically correct. the other part is destination for immigrants that are released in the u.s. they're going to sanctuary cities because that's a magnet they're providing incentives to come live in those areas. >> brennan: but your agency transporting people, to these cities. >> transportation is based on operational necessities. that's what we're doing. >> brennan: no is the answer? >> correct.

abouall of these immigratn di terms of congress actually acting. when the president went to the rose garden a lot of what he laid out about legal immigration, it requires congress to comply and to be a partner. there was really no outreach to concerns democrats that have about daca protection. how do you get congress to do what you're asking. >> first of all the president made a clear distinction between this broader effort that well take some time working with congress and immediate bill that he asked for he referenced chairman graham. his approach is on the table right now, targeting the two main drivers for this flow. that is out there. that's ready to be negotiated. we've also asked for supplemental, a lot of money that we need right now to take care of people that are crossing the border appropriately and make sure weary pay tree eighting those. we need congress' help.

>> brennan: thed 4.5 billion is now, the rest is an ideal. you've got incredibly difficult job on one of the most emotion mallly fraught issues there is. the washington most reported that you have threatened to quit because of a fight over immigration with hard liner steven miller. you being here today mean you won that fight? >> look, i'm not going to talk about rumors or any alleged internal conversations, what i see as cabinet team that is pulling in the same direction to make this crisis mitigated. i'm working with the secretary of state, the secretary of defense were attorney general, hhs, i've worked with them, the white house is supporting our initiative. we've put forward legislative component, changed our dynamics at the border with increasing, the prosecuting child smugglers at the border, we're moving out. we're acting with a lot of support from the white house and cabinet i'm not worried.

>> you didn't threaten to quit? >> no. >> brennan: you will still be the person trying to lead this charge? >> i'm going to work on solving this problem as long as i have this opportunity, no question. >> brennan: than you very much for coming in and for under scoring the immediacy of this. we do want to get some input from key member of congress, that is democrat adam schiff, the chair of house intelligence committee who joins us here in the studio as well. congressman, pick up on this. you heard this description of an immediate crisis. this ask for $4.5 billion that the administration says it needs. almost 100,000 per month. why isn't there more immediate action? >> well, there is a humanitarian crisis at the border. but part of this is one of the adminiration making. this administration you pointed out saying we're going to cut off assistance to these central

american countries that would be useful in trying to stem this flow of migration dealing with the acting director talked about the pulse. little about the push and push factor is that the violence in central america is pushing we need to deal with that. threats to cut off aid isn't helping when you look at el salvador, they are making progress. mirror wrong the programs of other countries, administration isn't doing this. >> brennan: what about the $4.5 billion who made it to the u.s. soil that are arguably is up to the american people to provide for? >> we're discussing adding to the emergency supplemental appropriation bill funding for this humanitarian crisis. there is a action sift to do that. not though just to spend more money to build a wall, not to just merely detain people and

add to the incarceration of people. we learn just within the last few days that the number of children that have been separated from their parents do be thousands more than we learned. administration still doesn't know where they are. and you see this kind of disarray in what the administration is doing, announcing they're going to send people to florida then pulling that back, by the way, the only reason they're pulling that back is because republican governor has challenged this idea. so this looks a lot like the sanctuary cities kind of push by the president which is, we'll send them to whatever states we don't care about. and if we get push back from the republican governor we'll reconsider. again, one of the steps they're doing at the border that's making it so much worse they're slowing down the processing of asylum seekers at legal ports of entry, it causes them to go to the illegal ports.

seems intent on making this problem work. >> brennan: i want to ask you about i o vrycongresshat is bie. that the u.s. responded to the military build up, i know you can't talk about classified matters, is the military response thus far commensurate with the threat that was described to you? >> look. intelligence show increased threat, it would be i think catastrophic for iran to use violence against any of our troops and our allies, but it's not just about the intelligence. what is taking place now was all too predictable. the steps the administration has taken to renege on the iran agreement to try to force europe, to force iran to withdraw from the agreement to go back to the path 6 ebb wretchment. designation of the irgc the terrorist group, rhetoric from the administration from -- >> brennan: the policy decisions. >> they have led us to a state

where confrontation is far more likely, that cannot go ignored. when you take a series of steps that, ratchet up tension, you shouldn't be surprised when intelligence tells you, tensions have been ratcheted up it's now more a risk of confrontation. and this is why our allies are departing from us. this is why ourli increasingly are isolating us and not iran. and i don't see how these policies have made this country any more safe. they haven't. and i think we missed that bigger picture when we focus on, is the intelligence accurate or inaccurate: problem is that this ratcheting of of tensions was all too predictable and has led us to the precipice of the catastrophe. >> brennan: speaker pelosi said that for her standard for impeachment requires bipartisan level of support. we saw yesterday very first

republican, justin, who is libertarian, no fan of the president, but still a republican. he suggested that the president has carried ompeachae behavior. this meet the democratic standard to consider and move forward with impeachment? >> well, i i this that what the speaker has referred to and i have as well, is can impeachment be successful in the senate. we see no signs of that yet. i respect what justin is doing has said he showed more courage than any other republican in the house or senate. but what may be pushing us in the direction of impeachment in any event has less to do with justin but more the administration is engaging in a maximum obstructionism campaign. >> brennan: you do think there is more of a movement toward impeachment? >> more members that recognize that the administration is act can in a lawless fashion, having

obstructed justice now obstructing congress and our lawful function. and if we conclude that there's no other way to do our jobs, no other way to do oversight, no other way to show the american people what this president has done, is unethical and illegal acts outlined in the mueller report we may get there. >> brennan: what you're suggesting by opening up in queer he radio into impeachment. would allow you to get the information. >> it may -- >> brennan: it provides a tool. >> it provides an additional tool. what we have been doing is we have been gradually escalating the tactics we need to use to get information for the american people, by asking for voluntary cooperation. with subpoenas, contempt, we may have to fall with impeachment. there may be an odd confluence of interest here between the trump administration and people around the president who want him impeached because they think it's politically advantageous

and in creasing number of democrats and maybe republicans who feel this president's conduct so so so incompatible in office with our system that it's the only way that we can do our oversight is through impeachment proceeding maybe we have to go down that road. but important to show the american people this was decision made reluctantly, forced upon us rather than something we were eager to embrace. >> brennan: we have to leave it there. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> brennan: we'll be right back. don't go away. all money managers might seem the same,

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supporters. why are you embracing it? >> this is nothing short of all out 'soul on women's reproductive freedoms. take away our human rights and civil rights make no mistake. the 30 staith that are trying to unwind abortion rights are trying to get rid of roe v. wade they do not believe that women should have the right to make the most intimate, personal, life and death decision and i think it's unable. i hope american people are paying attention, president trump has started a war on america's women if it's a fight he wants to have it's a fight he's going to have and he's going to lose. >> brennan: you said that if you're elected you would codify roe v. weighed. you would seed a congress. are you assuming democratic congress to follow you in 2020? >> i do. we already took back the house

in 2018. women across this country have been marching since president trump became president. and then took their views and voices to the ballot box electing 120 women to congress to support women's reproductive freedom and rights. i think that trend the going to continue. we saw surge in women's votes, i think that will continue in '20 hopefully flip the senate take back the presidency. >> brennan: the chairman of the democratic national committee, tom perez, said every democrat should support 'bores rights. that was met with outcry, it was seep as a litmus test. for your party to win you need to be able toe he attract more people to it. is there room in the democratic party for people who have a moral objection to abortion. is there room on your ticket for supporters like that? >> so, for voters across america for individuals of course you can have your personal views on

any issue. there's nothing wrong with having a religious perspective on this issue. but what i do not accept is any democratic leader or candidate to not believe in full civil rights and human rights for women. we cannot have democrats who are running for office who do not believe in basic health care and civil rights for women. it's just untenable and unacceptable. i do not believe any candidate running for president should be undermining women's reproductive freedom. >> brennan: we have to take a real quick break we'll continue this conversation on the other side. we'll be right back. with turning ideas into action. putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. so, in case you're looking, we've put all the ways we can help in one place. free training, tools, and small business resources

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infuin esident to still be ilen fror prents at our border in the most inhumane way then locking them up and paying for it, paying for profit prison systems to do this. as president of the united states, i would not fund any for profit prisons, not lock up these families, i would have a humane immigration policy where people seeking asylum and refuge in this country would have lawyers and have a proper asylum process. we need real immigration judges we don't have. and outside the political process. i think the president trump has done immigration is divisive and hurtful and harmful to our national security. >> brennan: do you then support something like senator graham has proposed which would you mention family separation to stop what the administration has used as a justification for that they have said, look, legally weary stricting to keeping in

detention for 20 days. you oppose even what the obama administration did in terms of keeping families together or for longer period of time in detention? >> i wouldn't -- as president of the united states i wise use detention system at all. in fact what i would do is fund the border security measures that are anti-terrorism, anti-human trafficking, anti-drug trafficking, anti-gun trafficking i would defund these for profit prison systems that are harming children and harming families who are seeking asylum. someone seeking -- >> homeland security saying hundreds of thousands of people are crossing the border and they need to go somewhere before their asylum claims are actually heard, what would you do with them. >> if they're given a lawyer and a process, they will follow it. they can go into community in the way we used to handle these cases under the department of

justice. >> brennan: should the trump administration get the $4.5 billion they say they need to improve humanitarian conditions? >> we can work with the trump administration on two things. we can work with them on funding anti-terrorism and border protection when it comes to human and gun trafficking, we, can work with them on resources for more humanitarian treatment, for medical treatment, for support for humane processes. but i do not believe we should be funding for profit prison systems in any circumstance. >> brennan: you would oppose moving any migrants to the state of new york? >> what the state of new york does well is we actually take refugee families into our communities. we would be delighted to take refugee families into cities like buffal and syracuse and rochester and albany. >> brennan: your campaign has yet to reach the 65,000 individuals donors you need to qualify to be on that first

debate stage. why doh is? is the large number of candidates hurting campaigns like yours? >> all i would say to your viewers if you like anything that i've talked about today go to my website and support my campaign. this is a marathon not a sprint. we are building support all across the country and all 50 states and i hope your viewers will join our efforts. >> brennan: is the fact that we have nearly two dozen candidates hurting the democratic bid here? >> i don't think so. i think primaries are so healthy for our party, it allows candidates to talk about their vision for america. my vision to make sure we deal with the real problems this country is facing. >> brennan: you will make it to that state? >> i do. with the support of i don't are viewers. >> brennan: senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> brennan: that was not a show endorsement but that was a pitch snator we'll have welcome to the

program now our political analysis, peter baker the chief white house correspondent at the "new york times," and expanded version of his book "obama the call of history" has just been released. kristen soltis anderson is republican pollster and columnist with "the washington examiner." edward wong is international correspondent at the "new york times" and jamelle bouie is also a cbs news political analyst. let's pick up where we just left off with the senator, jamelle. senator gillibrand says it is not hurting the democratic bid the fact that they have nearly two dozen or two dozen candidates we're are at 24 how no. is she being kind there, is it hurting campaigns like her's? >> only pool of voters is owe so big so many choices in the absence of five or ten of these

candidates there may have been more possible support for senator gill gillibrand. it's hard for her to get traction. figu dctkhis of the democratic t large primary is probably a good thing. it's good for democrats, to figt who might be best equipped to run the general election. >> brennan: well, peter, you've covered many president sees, many campaigns, we saw the vice president, former president joe biden at rallies yesterday how he plans to l whiching the president and strong economics. that is basically to say, you should thank obama. >> well, look -- >> brennan: does that work? >> to some extent. on pennsylvania, the states that the democrats shouldn't have lost by traditional history. and trying to hit them with the

economic message because otherwise trump is going to be selling the idea that he has made america great again through the economy. biden has to undercut that. but it's a tough sell. at certain point, three or four years into presidency you start saying it has to be the current guy not the previous guy. and biden is going to try to make the case that he can do something ha that other democrats can't which is take on trump directly in a very head on way. >> brennan: you heard from the president on twitter as we often do early on sundays basically saying he's nott economy. is that still the central issue or are some of these more culture war issues, abortion, immigration, can go to be what helps him in this reelection bid. >> the economy is the issue where the president polls the most strongly. do you trust the president on certain issues the economy tends to be the one where he has the clear majority saying, yes, he's

doing a good job on that. but it doesn't have emotional resonance. while the conventional wisdom they vote with the pocketbook, they will want to continue four more years. what we really have seen with the economy getting so much better it's actually fallen in the list of top issues. now you tend to see issues like health care and immigration. so i actually think perhaps less so than some of the really hot button issues like abortion, i do believe healthcare will be an issue that decides 200 because even if people are feeling better about the economy, unemployment is lower, if it's still cost a lot to get health care and still seems as though republicans do not have a an answer for that. that is going to be a challenge facing the president in 2020. >> brennan: on the issue of abortion, president wants to have this argument, as you just heard one democratic thinks this is something that should be talked about on the campaign trail. what is behind this right now, as we look at the state level,

at the tightened restrictions. is it all just a bet that this become something that the supreme court ultimately gets to, that is resonates for the president and some of thinks evangelical supporters? >> something else that the president tweeted out is my read, pushing back on the alabama bill which has no exception for things like rape, incest, by saying, look, that is not where i am. i am where ronald reagan was. correctly assessing that the alabama law by taking a position really only held by 16% of americans, was creating a wedge within the pro life movement. that is a big shift, after the passage of laws in new york and virginia earlier this year there have been sense that life side. this really send the pendulum back the other direction, that's why you saw the president with that tweet distancingims from what happened in alabama. >> brennan: even in foreign policy, this qem l

that level the president can tighten in terms of foreign aid how that is used abroad, so-called mexico city policy. it's not just theoretical debate at this point, not just a state level it is something that the a are administration is putting the shoulder behind. >> we saw that they would cut off funding to any organization, that promoted policies that might be involved -- that might involve abortion. think think that the administration trying to shore up the evangelical voter base as well as other supporters that feel strongly. pompeo has been very active on that front. >> to pick up on the domestic policy, very clear that president trump beliefs his reelection will depend on massive base mobilization. what is interesting about this push to restrict abortion that part of his appeal in 2016 he was on social irk use didn't

appear to be a traditional conservative republican. taking this approach may end up -- if you like about it may end be up creating the kind of backlash among some of his own voters that may end up damaging him in 2020. among those, noncollege working class white who aren't socially conservative as evangelicals but supported him nonetheless. >> brennan: but the same question i put to senator gillibrand, is there room in the democratic party who morally object to adores. >> certainly room within the party for voters who are -- if you look at for example, have more conservative views on abortion, the higher religious, just not -- if you war voter who is principal kind of political issue what salient for you is

abortion. probably isn't very much room in the democratic party for you if you are anti-abortion pro life voter if you are someone who may be lags those views but lower on the list of salient issues, then there's plenty of space. >> brennan: i want to take a break and come back talk about some of the other issues of the week including the threat posed by iran in a moment. by iran in a moment. stay with us. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs... prof: maria ramirez mom and dad: maria ramirez!!! to help more employees achieve their dreams. still nervous about buying uh-oh, la new house.meone's ! is it that obvious? yes it is. you know, maybe you'd worry less if you got geico to help with

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this week and even just from the show on immigration, on iran. ed i want to go to you on the threat. adam schiff, who is one of the very few congress people actually briefed on the intelligence regarding iran. didn't dispute what he was told. he criticized policy making. what do we actually know about the threat posed by iran that led to this military response by the trump administration? >> i think that officials picked up on several intelligence that were coming through right around this time of may 3rd, one that there were missiles being loaded on small wooden boats in the persian gulf by iranian forces and another there was this chatter among militia groups that they might try to attack americans bases or facilities, embassy in baghdad possibly the consulate. so i think the -- some officials picked up on this said they wanted some sort of deterrent against iran, they wanted

messaging, signaling to deter this. the question is whether someone like bolton and possibly pompeo took that and decided to push forward in a way that made pentagon officials and others uncomfortable, putting them in a position of ramping up forces. coming up with plans, military plans that may other officials uncomfort because intelligence and pentagon officials have been pushing back against certain policies like the designation of the revolutionary guards. pushing back against these policies would put troops and officers endanger and the administration did that. >> brennan: when you see reports as we saw in the "new york times" of 120,000 troops being red,aenes, y suggesting that would kill that response? >> i'm not sure, i can't say who the sources were. but there's -- there's various motivation for people giving out that kind of information, some people interpret it as giving

out so there is public debate, there hasn't been public debate on troop deployments. i think that people are aware of very much of what happened in 2002 in the run up to the iraq war they think there should be a public conversation. >> brennan: peter you wrote this book about the obama administration and the call of history, this was such a landmark portion of the former president's foreign policy. cooling and controlling this one part of the threat posed by the nuclear program. is this like the key question for all of the democrats running right now. do you rejoin this deal, is it possible, and how do you do that in a way that doesn't just look like it's trying to revive the obama legacy? es trump ded t unhe bighin orl say li to sayhe would get back into it in some

form or another. >> brennan: whether or not you actually can. >> the iranians are banking on it, the reason they restrained they have not rushed back toward nuclear program according -- because they seem to be wanting to wait out trump see if they can't get a new president come in in 2021 that they can deal with. but it's really interesting this is where obama this whole question of the last week of a confrontation with iran, where obama and trump were at least more alike in very different ways, trump is more bombastic and obama is more intellectual. they talk about -- president came to office of pulling out of the middle east quagmire rather than getting further in. now surrounded like people who are egging them on in the other direction. real test to this president, where he plans to go. >> brennan: it's something, you point out similarities going

to be fascinating to watch a foreign policy debate with the democratic candidates how they will differentiate themselves. thank to all of you. we'll be right back in a moment. z3bmiz zi0z y3bmiy yi0y

>> brennan: we're joined now by author david harness. a pulitzer prize winning reporter, but his latest book, "a good american family" tells the story of his father, elliott harness in the 1940s and '50s changed his life. good to have you here. >> thank you, margaret. >> brennan: the good american family is actually your american family. >> yes. the title comes from a number of the -- who in 1951 was that anyone from a quote, unquote, good american family could be affiliated with the communist party. and the book is showing point that our family was a good american family. my father and my mother at one reembee u.t >>rnan: you write in the

book about un, you ta about te what was that like for your father going through that kind of questioning. did you ever really sit and talk to him about that? >> my dad really didn't want to talk about it by the time -- i was two years old when this happened. and 63 years later, as i was starting to research this book, because before that, i'd written all these biographies of stranger to me like rack obama and vince lombardi who became familiar to me. this time i was starting with someone who i thought was -- i was intimately familiar with, i was worried would he be a stranger by the time i was done. i didn't really know this part about family. i was at the national archives, i found there the statement that my father wanted to read to the committee at the hearing and he was not allowed to unless he confessed and named names which he would not do. >> brennan: in that statement

that he never got the chance to read but had prepared that he said i would rather have me in this miss a meal or two now than grow up in america projected by the members of the house committee an unamerican activities. my americanism has been questioned and properly measure a man's americanism you must know the whole pattern of a life. >> it was a very powerful statement. and it was a statement of an american citizen, of a mac who had been the commander of an all black unit in world war ii in the pacific, being called unamerican by chairman of the committee who had in earlier life been a member of the ku klux klan briefly that juxtaposition, what does it mean to be american is relevant today as it was in the 1950s. i don't write about today in the book but the it's there throughout. >> brennan: what specifically, these dates you hear the term socialism thrown about it doesn't have the same

resonance clearly as during this heated moment in time. but it still has a stigma attached to it. >> well, it has a stigma attached to it by people who want to have a stigma attached to it. you can talk to people 35 and under, it's a completely different definition and feeling about socialism. i would say, the stronger is not about socialism but use of fear. as manipulative tool in the political process which is what joseph mccarthy the senator used during the 1950s in which the president has demonized others, tremendousing the truth in fact, only for political purposes. >> brennan: did you feel like you were writing a commentary on today? you're drawing these parallels. this is a different time. this throat filled immediate there was something to be blamed and right now what you're

talking about is this kind of argument amongst ourselves. >> in some ways, of course they're different. it history doesn't repeat itself, there are echoes of it but not the exact same thing ever. it's upside down now, right? here you have the president using the term mccarthyism and calling it a witch hunt. >> brennan: in writing this, was it therapeutic for you? >> that is a great question. i didn't think it would be, but it was. it really helped me understand myself, my family, and my country. all of us hear these stories about our own families, you never go back and explore them. i had done that with strangers, but to do that with my own family really helped me understand so much a about myself. in that sense it was therapeutic. >> brennan: did your father toward the end of his life have anger about this or did he feel his world view evolved or it

changed, did he ever say, i'm no longer describe -- subscribing to this world view represented by communism, i made a mistake here? >> he never said i made a mistake here. but he did say at one point that he was stubborn in his ignorance in his earlier life. that's about it. but never a matter of -- because he evolved but never became bitter he never wanted to destroy this country he wanted to make it better. >> brennan: what made you follow in his footsteps? >> i was too stupid to do anything else. i loved writing from an early age and my father certainly didn't discourage that. my mother was a book editor, my grandfather was a printer, my dad was newspaper man so i followed that. >> brennan: thank you very much. for sharing your story. and that of your family. we'll be right back. as a small business owner, the one thing you learn pretty quickly, is that there's a lot to learn.

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