skin in the game if you go to college. the same thing with health care. and one other proposal that was put out said you're going to have a job. the job's going to pay livable captioning sponsored by cbs wages. you just can't do that. it's not that easy. it would be great... it's great >> brennan: it's sunday, may 26th. i'm margaret brennan, and this is "face the nation." to say it, but it's hard to implement it. let's grounded in common sense and move forward. president trump received a rock i have seen candidates across star welcome from the host the word running for president country of one of america's closest allies. do -- >> brennan: your home state governor is one of them. so far it's been a weekend of trade meetings with prime >> my home state governor is one of them that. is correct. yep. so the bottom line is that minister shinzo abe, plus some whoever comes out of this 24, 25 summer recreation japanese people who are running for style. the trip appears to be cooling president, needs to be able to off what has been a fiery start connect with rural america. to summer back in washington. you do that by applying common >> i declassified i guessing sense. >> brennan: are yoing potentially millions of pages of dorsurnor?>> wllis,rsn the documents. i don't know what it is. i have no idea. >> brennan: and that's whatfials hopefully you'll be the first to as attorney general barr now has access to some of the country's know. top secrets as he opens an >> brennan: all right, thank

you very much, senator tester. investigation into how the >>htack with our russia probe began. panel. >> it because pleasure talking the president authorized 1,500 to you, margaret. thank you very much. troops to the middle east in light of potential new threats of iran just after ordering,000 out of syria, and he did an end ♪ like a drifter i was-- ♪ born to walk alone! run around congress by following through on an earlier promise to keep goin' man! sell arms to the saudis. you got it! and then there's that feud with if you ride, you get it. house speaker nancy pelosi. ♪ here i go again >> i wish his family or his geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. administration or his staff would have an intervention. >> i'm an extremely stable genius. she's a mess. >> brennan: we'll also look at the crisis at the border. we travel to el paso and talk with 2020 presidential contender beto o'rourke. also joining us, texas republican congressman will hurd, senate homeland security chairman ron johnson is just back from a visit to migrant detent c democratice president's tariffs and new farm aid package. plus we'll have analysis on all

of the news coming up this memorial day weekend on "face the nation." change has many faces. names you'll never know. the bright-eyed, the brave, the visionaries. good morning and welcome to "face the nation." where challenges exist, you'll find them. we begin today with former texas congressman beto o'rourke. at citi, we empower people who are out to change the world. he's running for the democratic presidential nomination, and we call up with him yesterday in his hometown of el paso on the because tomorrow belongs to those who welcome it with open arms. border of mexico. so there are about 16,000 citi. welcome what's next ow for some migrants in u.s. detention facilities right now. what should happen to them? >> most of those asylum-seeking migrants pose no threat or danger to the united states. we know from past history that when we connect them with case managers in a community they political anis. have a 99% chance of meeting so we're welcoming our panel. molly ball is national political their court dates and their correspondent with "time" magazine. joel payne is a democratic appointments with ice, and it strategist and appears on our costs us one-tenth of what we pay to keep them in detention digital network, cbsn. and in custody. we'd like to welcome him to this >> brennan: so in other words catch and release is something broadcast for the first time.

you support? >> new york i wouldn't call it "catch and release." and ed o'keefe is our political correspondent. i would call it helping those molly, beto o'rourke, we went who are seeking asylum in this out to sit down with him. country to follow our laws. the middle of essentially a if at the end of that process reboot of his campaign. they must return to their what does he need to do to country of origin, i want to rebuild support? make sure they go back to the >> well, i'm not in the business of giving political advice, but country from which they left in it's clear that beto having come the first place. during an administration that into this race with a lot of has caged children, that has buzz has stumbled a bit. deported their moms back to the he's having trouble defining very country from which they himself in this vast field of have fled, that have continued more than 20 democratic this separation that is visiting candidates. so he's got to find a way to a cruelty and a torture on these stand out. families, that has lost the they all do. that's why you have so many lives of six children within our candidates mired in single digits behind the clear custody whether or not we can do better and live our values and front-runner, biden, and bernie, whether or not there will be a who seems to be holding his own in second place. wreck -- reckoning and there's just a lot of churn. so none of these polls are accountability. >> brennan: you're talking predictive. about 16,000 people in custody it's is far out, but they show right now. you a portrait of a democratic are you saying migrants who primary electorate that kind of cross and do so not through port doesn't know whe to g ofen try, who are here through they have not really been illegal means essentially, that they would not be detained in an impressed with any of these candidates. they're still evaluating. o'rourke administration? i think the debates will be very >> not necessarily in every crucial because when i go out case, but i think vast majority into the early primary states

of families and children who are and i talk to democratic voters, fleeing the deadliest countries what they're saying is i don't on the face of the planet, who not like anybody so far. are seeking asylum in this they just want to be impressed. country, they dt f t evade they want someone to sweep them off their feet. they really want someone they can believe in. detection, those families pose it's less about ideology or no threat or risk to this demographics or even generation country. >> brennan: should they be than just wanting to find that detained together, those candidate everyone can rally families? around and be inspired by. >> those families, ifh this coue beto had a shot at that. he's a communities in which they are candidate, very charismatic apprehended should be released with a case manager who ensures politician. he hasn't so far impressed the that they follow our laws, that primary electorate with those they attend their court qualities. hearings, that they meet their >> brennan: joel, why is that? and how do you differentiate appointments with an ice officer. yourself when there are two >> brennan: i want to ask you dozen of you running at once? about your campaign. >> well, i think there it is. there are some headlines i'll read for you. there's a lot of people the "washington post" this week competing for that space, and a cited "brutal new 020 numbers lot of ways pete buttigieg has for beto o'rourke." stolen some of that bedo energy "beto o'rourke blew it." that we were expecting him to the beto balloon burst." enter the field with. i thought it was interesting what are you doing wrong? during your interview that he do you think you're doing something wrong? >> look, i feel really good stumbled a bit when you asked about the way that we're him tact generational change question. that was layup for someone like campaigning. i'm going to people where they beto o'rourke. are in their community. that's the... that is his place in the field as the generational

i do not care how red or blue, change candidate inch a lot of ways it's what pete buttigieg rural or urban. has stolen from him. i'm showing up to listen to i thought that was an them. what they're telling me is they want this country to come interesting pass that he made to not affirmatively answer that. together around our sharedm hee >> what's he waiting for? right? he's in the low single digits. writers. and there is nothing to lose by >> brennan: you have, though, saying, yeah, we need someone relaunched, acknowledging that things weren't registering for younger, someone different, someone who isn't as well-known you. you have apologized for the in washington. it was weird. "vanity fair" cover. can you escape some o impressio? he's got the sizzle. he hasn't grilled his steak yet. >> listen, the only way that i'm fascinating to me that he just didn't take that. going to have any chance is and he seems to continue this sort of speak in generalities. togo we have plenty of time, right, everywhere, meet with everyone, leave no one behind and take no what, ten months i think roughly until we start voting in one for granted. >> brennan: is that saying february. that maybe with the "vanity fair" cover and the big launch he probably has until late that you looked out of step? summer to start coming up with some specifics. >> i don't know about that. one thing that's helped distinguish anyone other than biden and bernie is come to the listen, the opportunities that table with specifics do. i've had to meet with people, your homework on one were to issues and show voters, i have the snarkiness, the cynicism, thought about. this here's a detailed plan on all that is gone. what we would do, how we pay for it. he hasn't put as much time into it's folks wanting to know that that yet.

we're going to find a way to >> i did press him on immigration because he has imfa ensure that every chide can go sizessed that he's the only to school without being worried candidate who grew up and in adjacent literally to mexico on about whether or not they will come home at the end of the day that border. and in our online version, in this epidemic of gun you'll see some of that detail. violence. having those conversations on the issues that are most it was not as specific as say important to them is what drives me. juliaán castro who said clearly it produces this relentless decriminalize border crossings energy that we've got in our campaign to make sure that we or kirsten gilibrand who said connect, draw people in, and clearly do not detain migrants meet these historic challenges when they cross that border is. together. so i feel really good about this an immigration portion of this debate that you get doing, this and listen, there are going to be highs and lows backlash for if you stake out in this campaign. hardline position? there have been in every >> he seems to think so. campaign that i have ever run, maybe it's because he's thinking but if we stay focused on of the general election, because people, the very reason that you asked him about catch and we're doing this in the first release. the president has made that place, bringing them in and allowing them to contribute to policy something that he's trying to shove aside, andh's er the solutions and the challenges that we face, i don't think there's anything that can stop us. >> brennan: do you think the is catch, release, and track, party needs generational change. which is take the asylum >> i'm driven by the people who families, assign them a caseworker, and make sure they come back for their hearings. see the urgency of this moment, well, that's expensive. that requires hiring thousands who understand that we've got more people. he says it's cheaper than ten years left to meet this building a wall, but as he

should know, having served in challenge of climate change after which these floods and congress for six years, those details are what really starts fires and droughts and disasters to muck this up. so he hasn't presented yet at will pale in comparison. least a detailed plan to do that. those students who were talking to me about gun violence, the and he's it's certainly not as folks who demand that we have detailed as others in the field thus far. universal guaranteed >> brennan: speaking of high-quality care, all i know is congress or doing things or not that we need to match that with do, we understand what the a relentless energy that brings president and speaker pelosi did this week, simply saying, don't in people who may have been left look here, nothing is getting done for the next few years? out before, and what i hope that i've been able to demonstrate in >> no. i think the president saying that he was walking away from texas leading the largest the table and saying that they grassroots campaign in our aren't going to do anything state's history is that we were until the investigation stops, able to do that. >> brennan: it sounds like that's just not true. the investigations are not going you're saying yes. to stop, clearly. it sounds like you're saying you and there's tough they have to need more revolution versus the get done. in fact, they came very close to idea of restoration. getting that disaster bill done you need a young candidate. is that what you're saying, this week. it's going to get done next reek someone like you or not a joe biden or a bernie sanders, who while they're on recess or after are in their 70s. that. >> brennan: >> we need to be able to bring after thayer avenue have to do in new energy and new votersen the budgeting and the we need to make sure this appropriations bill, raise spending caps, raise the debt democracy so badly damaged works ceiling. for everyone. if they don't do all of this all i'm saying is the way i stuff, we'll get another shutdown. so i don't really take the campaign, this relentless president at his word that he's pursuit of people wherever they

walking away from that table are, learning their stories, permanently. and what nancy pelosi said after incorporating what's most important to them in their lives into this campaign and into the he threw what she termed a temper tantrum, she claimed it service they want to perform for this country is what we need at had nothing to do with him being this very divided moment. peeved about her saying the word so that's the way i offer my service going forward. "cover-up" or all this >> brennan: do you support oversight. this latest bailout of farmers? she says it's that he doesn't do his homework for that meeting. >> from listening to farmers he didn't do what he said he was that i have met all over this going to do in their previous country and especially in iowa, they're not looking for meeting that went so well when bailouts. they agreed to spend $2 trillion they want to connect with those markets that they have worked a in public money on infrastructure. he was supposed to come back lifetime to establish, markets with way to pay for it, but he that are now closed to them -- didn't. he walked out and he had that >> brennan: china. >> because of this trade war, pre-made sign on the mueller because of these tariffs. they're no longer able to sell investigation. they weren't numbers on roa bes to the rest of the world. they're no longer able to make a he decided in advance he was profit doing what they do best. going to make a statement about they will not be able to pass the investigations and these farms and ranches on to oversight, but on a very basic the next generation. level, the president has not yet so, yes, in the short term, we accepted that there is a absolutely have to make sure competing power center to him in that they're okay, but we should congress now. never have been in this place in we saw that in the shutdown. the first place. and what we see right now is yet he had two years with a republican congress that would another example of president basically do whatever he wanted. trump being both the arsonist that's not the case anymore. and it's made his life more who created this problem in the first place and the firefighter difficult, and he hasn't quite

who wants the credit for accepted that. >> brennan: joel, what the addressing it through this bailout. >> brennan: who is america's administration would point to greatest adversary right now? and accuse speaker pelosi of is >> we face a number of losing control of her own caucus or almost because she's under adversaries. all this pressure to go ahead on the world stage, from isis to north korea to iran. with impeachment. is this just game of chicken here? what is happening within the and yet the adversary that has successfully invaded this caucus? >> i'm not buying any of what i country through our democracy, saw this weekend. russia, through their leader this because proxy war between vladimir putin, is the country donald trump, who cannot pay for and the person who this this infrastructure bill that he president holds closest. committed to a few weeks ago and after the mueller report was to nancy pelosi, who is having released, our president called vladimir putin, spent an hour on hard time holding back an the phone with him, described increasinglyage stated caucus the resulting report as a hoax, who wants to go afte the president on impeachment. giving putt an green light to there were a lot of reports about that meeting where pelosi further interfere in our democracy. stepped out where she made those we've got the most dangerous cover-up remarks. person who has ever held office the reason why she did that was to take the attention off the fa ae some 30 some in the white house right now who is inviting the involvement of odd members of her caucus who want her to really get this on our greatest adversaries, and we tht ink he wants to get on have to be able to stand up not as democrats, but as americans the wrong side of those hard to this challenge. so i want to make sure that we line conservatives who will not do that. let him pay for this >> brennan: can you say one transportation bill. nice thing about president this was a nice show this week, trump? but i think this was a proxy

>> listen, when i was first war. >> he made clear after the elected to congress, the election this is a single-track town. we'll do legislation only. greatest challenge that we faced you're not going to investigate here in this country, and me and get to work on things at especially in this city, was the the same time. he reinforced that this week. but again, he cannot have -- he inability for veterans to be able to get in and see a mental health care pr was cannot afford. to he doesn't know how to have producing a crisis in suicide that is claiming 20 veterans' lives a day. an argument with republicans as a member of congress, we over something he really wants. wrote legislation to improve he'd like to see his name on a access to mental health care for bridge he helped fund through massive infrastructure veterans, worked with republican projected, but republicans don't colleagues to get that done, and want to pay for it. that bill was signed into law by so he avoided that fight. president trump. i agree with him on almost >> his own chief of staff won't let him pay for it. nothing, but the fact that we >> his own chief of staff won't were able to find the common let him pay for it. ground to get this done to serve he doesn't have agislative those who have put their lives on the line for this country is ruat und ru. something that i'm grateful to him for. >> brennan: i want to quickly >> b ask you about some of those things regarding veterans. o of speaker pelosi, one do you think president trump was right to send these 1,500 troops distorted, the other heavily to the middle east to counter edited to make her look not very the iran threat? clear or good, molly, describing it as like this is >> no. the path we're headed toward, president trump is escalating and the rigses of it, national tensions.

he is provoking yet another war security-wise, when they can't even trust the videos they're in the middle east where we find seeing of elected leaders on ourselves already engaged in war in so many countries new york television. >> these fake videos were quickly called out and i think iraq, in syria, in yemen, not the coverage quickly reflected too far from there in libya and that and people were made aware of it. in afghanistan. >> brennan: after they went so we don't need another war. viral. >> of course, you can't suppress u.s. intelligence that said there was a threat on the ground anything. to u.s. forces in iraq? nobody is talking about >> i have a really hard time government censorships, not allowing videos to exist, but i believing this administration think the public was well informed these were not correct and believing a president who has so wantonly lied and videos, but at the same time, you know, the differs here is misconstrued the facts at every you have a president of the single turn to his own gain. united states who will retreat a video like that. we've seen him do that before, i'm suspicious of a national whethee deceptivdoes n h security team that has so often called for war. you have someone in bolton who has publicly said that he wants enes that he needs to be regime change in iran. careful or responsible about the body count in that kind of so i t thais theve morhan war on both sides will not be measured in the hundreds or the thousands, but the tens or whe headed hundreds of thousands. if there is a peaceful is that, you know, usually alternative to this, and i know political leaders consider it that there is, then we must do

their responsibility to be careful about what information everything within our power to pursue it. nay spread. that's what i would do in my >> brennan: very quickly, administration. joel, is there a way the steal i'd stick up for our values, against this on the campaign to make sure we defend our ally, protect yourself? >> well, we saw this in 2016. protect the lives of our fellow american, but do that peacefully i worked for hillary clinton where we can. campaign. you're right. otherwise, we will produce more it was called outing but still it gets a lot of coverage out wars, more veterans coming back to this country seeking the care there. i think this is about the president being haphazard with that they are being effectively his words. i worked in government. and functionally denied today. we were told everything we said i think we need to do far better moves markets. going forward. i know that we can. people's 401(k)s depend on it. >> brennan: lastly, there are this president hasn't learned that lesson yet. 12,000 u.s. troops in >> brennan: all right. afghanistan. you hear almost no discussion of thank you very much. we'll be right back in a moment. the war that continues to rage there. how do you handle that? do you bring those troops home? >> yes. >> brennan: when? >> we've got to end our war in afghanistan. >> brennan: how? >> we've got to make sure that we satisfy the conditions that first led us to go to war in the first place, that those who perpetrated 9/11 are brought to justice, that afghanistan is never again used to stage attacks on the united states of america or americans. we have satisfied those conditions.

now it is time for us to work with the partners in the region to produce a lasting peace and stability and bring our u.s. service members back home. >> brennan: and that includes the taliban, brokering a peace deal with them and bringing them into the government? >> sometimes you don't have the fortune of working just with your allies or your friends or the people with whom you agree. in order to produce peace, you sometimes have to negotiate and work with your enemies. that's true for afghanistan. >> brennan: our full interview with beto o'rourke will be on our website at facethenation.com. we'll be back in one minute with a former colleague and friend of o'rourke's, texas republican will hurd. don't go away. as a small business owner,

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administration has presented about the threat from iran? superstar, quiet but good sound >> i have seen the intelligence. it's very credible intelligence. men usually are. and raise a glass to our howard this intelligence was produced by hard-working men in the brenner, he found us rooms and c.i.a., in our intelligence fed us dinner. a shout out, as well, for dog community, and this is credible. david hall, when the building it's solid. it's our military leaders that breaks down, that's who we'd are asking for some of these call. there is no one kinder than our moves to make sure that we're protecting our folks in that morris banks, so many reasons to region. i don't think anybody wants to just tell him thanks. go to war with iran, but we need gabe sticks had the guts and to be prepared to protect our knew all the tricks, to get us troops that are already there. the pictures that really did >> brennan: thank you for click. that. i know having worked at the vinson gsburg had the wit and c.i.a. you are particularly the style. we'll miss hit work and big attuned to the intelligence ready smile. community, and i want to ask you dennis jamison, oh, my what a about this decision the president has made to allow the attorney general to have access pro. nice guy to boot, we love you, bro. and dido to dan tutman, too, who to declassify some of the top secrets in this country. as a former c.i.a. officer, does got us the tape and a good it trouble you? joker, too. does it concern you that there and mr. lou walker, radio is risk here of giving someone techie, tuned us just right, who is not in the intelligence never was scratchy.

community access? and this is the place where i >> so first and foremost, making want to explain, what we learned sure the intelligence community in bob dole's '96 campaign. retains the ability to determine when our camera team of crane um if and how intelligence is and dixon, and i tell you this declassified is critically important. my read of this order by the is true, no fixing, showed us president giving the attorney how to score scoops and that saved us hours, they just sent general this power, it still says that the attorney general has to abide by an obama-era mrs. dole sweet birthday flowers. and there was george christian's unbelievable night. executive order that determines when nixon resigned, george was that the head of the agency that trapped in the rose garden until has the information, so if the dawn's early light. so good luck and good health. intelligence is from the c.i.a., it's been quite a ride. we had a great team with you on then the head of the c.i.a. gets our side. to determine how that >> brennan: that's our bob intelligence is ultimately used. >> brennan: that's our bob schieffer. we'll be right back. one of the things -- so making sure that continues, and why you hear a lot about protecting sources and methods. we have to remember, when you're he you getting intelligence, you're getting it oftentimes from ongoing operations. nntingith stom and geing the skills t. so if you reveal a piece of so, in case you're looking, we've put all the ways we can help in one place. information, our allies might be able to determine where that free training, tools, and small business resources

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thank you. until next week, for "face the on up here, and that's that the nation," i'm margaret brennan. russians did try the influence our and they will try to do it captioning sponsored by cbs again in the future. how are we dealing with captioned by disinformation? media access group at wgbh do we have a strategy on how to access.wgbh.org deal with disinformation? we have to be prepared for this eventuality, and also the politicisation of intelligence that hurts those men and women. it's memorial day weekend. you know, that. i'm always thinking about mike span and jim matthews, my former colleagues that were in the c.i.a. and died in service. the reason we haven't seen another major attack on our homeland like we have on september 11th is because of the men and women in our intelligence services that are still operating as if it's september 12th. we need to make sure we're providing them with the tools they need to continue to do their job and keep us safe. >> brennan: thank you for that reflection. you did bring up dis. >> . i want to ask you, as a republican, did it trouble you that the president himself and

some of his allies were tweeting out an altered video of the speaker of the house making it sound like she was slurring her words? is this -- does this step beyond the pale for you in terms of going beyond your usual political mud slinging? >> there are a lot of things that are concerning with that video of speaker pelosi, and it was just slowed down to make it seem like she was having a hard time speaking. this wasn't even a deep fake, even hearing a lot about deep fake, which is the use of artificial intelligence in order to create something new, and in this case, at least we had the original to compare the two, and recognize that it was doctored be n a form or fashion. i think within months we're going to be able to see this deep fake technology continue to grow, and we'll see that more, and that -- we're not prepared. we have old laws to decide how you handle this information. you have leaders that don't (announcer) you work hard to give your children

understand how this technology something to build on. can be used in the future. i was always trying to think "how am i gonna get her through college?" this goes back into this whole i wanna have a mechanism in place conversation around disinformation and how are we to make sure that my daughters dealing with it, and it's not are well taken care of. just the government alone. i hope to leave my children it's not just social media with something to help them get set up. companies. it's also mead yes and academia (announcer) don't let it get eaten away involved in trying to do this, by unexpected fees and legal expenses. and also we can't be promoting this. if you can't tell the difference my husband did not have a will between a doctored piece of and everything went away. information and not, that's when my father passed away, troubling, as well. he did not have a will or a trust. >> brennan: right. which is why i asked you if, as we're not as prepared as i had hoped we would be. a republican, you object to the president disseminating some of (announcer) every year, tens of thousands of people that? the answer it sounds like is a yes? lose what's rightfully theirs >> you shouldn't disseminate because the right paperwork is not in order. information that you know is is your property safe? ultimately doctored. i had absolutely no guidance. and this is going to escalate this debate and this fight. and again, this is something that gets at the heart of our democracy. when it comes to disinformation. >> brennan: thank you very much, congressman hurd, for join us today. we'll be back in a moment. i didn't have to run for help. i didn't have to call 911.

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>> brennan: we'd like to now bring in wisconsin senator ron johnson, the chairman of the homeland security committee. he joins thus morning from green bay. senator, i know you just came back from the border where you were yesterday in that area where we saw that migrant death just this week due to an outbreak of the flu. i know dozens have been quarantined as a result. are you concerned that there will be more deaths like this because of overcrowding? >> good morning, margaret. well, first, let me say the men and women from our border patrol and other volunteers from the federal government are putting fora heroic effort to deal with this humanitarian crisis. ey otbreak of flu. h1n1, hig danrous. areack open, but they are grossly overcrowded because of the unbelievable situation on the border, the out-of-control nature of it. just the last three weeks on average about 23,000 women,

children, men are coming over across the border illegally as family units. 22 to 23,000 a week. we're almosting a months into this fiscal year and we're up to about 400,000 in total. if it continues at this pace new york one year we'll have about 800,000 unaccompanied children, people who cross the border illegally as a family. this is 800,000. this is overwhelming our system. we have to stop it. we have to change our laws to stop rewarding and incentivizing people across the board illegally. >> brennan: senator, i hear your concern. the assistant secretary raised it last week on the program and congress went home for recess without allocating any money to this border crisis and republicans gtd strip it out of the disaster relief bill. how is that possible? >> well, first of all, i have been advocateing to make sure that and the 4.5billion ergenc .

theyeed it despy. soeback in session after the memorial day holiday, that funding will be quickly appropriated so that those individuals that are doing such a -- they're doing the lord's work down there together with people like sister norma working with catholic charity, other people trying respond to this humanitarian crisis. but again, we are allowing this to happen. it's our broken laws that are sustaining this wicked business model. these human traffickers are probably pocketing $3 billion to $4 billion a year. we have to change our laws. >> brennan: let's finish this conversation on the other side of the break. stay with us. hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez...

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>> brennan: welcome back the "face the nation." we continue our conversation now with wisconsin republican senator ron johnson. senator, was it a mistake for the president the say this week that he won't work with democrats until they stop the investigations? >> well, my guess is he's just stating reality. it's going to be pretty hard to pass legislation when that's all the house is doing. i warned voters ahead of the 2018 election if you put democrats in charge of the house, all you're going to be talking about investigation, talk of impeachment and it won't be about governing and creating greater prosperity for americans. that's what we're seeing play out here, particularly when you look at things like an emergency spending bill that we need for these disasters. we need them to get the situation at the border under co when you talk th stem c sto reduce

this flow. i heard beto o'rourke saying all we have to do is assign a case officer to every one of these families. that would be about 400,000 caseworkers this year alone. we don't have that kind of personnel, so the goal of our policy should be to reduce that flow and in the house they're talking about impeachment investigations. it's very unfortunate. >> brennan: well, that kind of brings us back to the point of why this impasse could be so damaging. i want to ask you, though, about something the trump administration decided to do. you it is on -- sit on the senae foreign relations committee. secretary pompeo decided to bypass the committee and go ahead with sales of weapons to saudi arabia and other countries. do you -- does this trouble you that this didn't go through the regular process here? >> this just speaks to the ongoing tex between congressman

's war authorizing powers and the president's powers when it comes to foreign policy. congress doesn't act very quickly. sometimes the administration, which is why the founders very intelligencely vested so much power in the presidency to act quickly in reaction to growing threats. i agree with congressman hurd. the intelligence was certainly from my standpoint concerning. i think the administration has handled this pretty well. they are doing everything that they can to deter fur aggression by iran, and let's face it, iran -- >> brennan: but they bypassed you and your committee. that doesn't trouble you? >> i wouldn't... no. listen. i think they notified the chairman and the rank member of this. >> brennan: okay. >> congress often operates way too slowly to react the situations we need to react to to prevent war. that's what this administration has done. they've deterred more maligned actions on the part of iran. i support the administration. >> brennan: quickly i want to ask you tact president's tweet. he's in japan talking about war, said that kim jong-un's testing

of these short-range missiles doesn't bother him even though his national security adviser said it violates u.n. resolutions. it alienates the allies, like japan, who could be hit hit by some of these short-range missiles. then he praised kim for insulting joe biden. is this appropriate? >> certainly north korea is one of the real problems that we're having to deal with. it concerns me when they do any kind of testing. the fact that they have not been testing nuclear devices or longer-range missiles is a good thing. this is a very difficult issue. the administrations on both sides of the hall spectrum have tried to deal with this. president trump trying to deal with it in a somewhat unorthodox style. i hope he succeeds. >> brennan: all right. senator johnson, thank you for joining us. we want to turn now to montana senator job -- jon tester. he joins thus morning from boseman, montana. he's a working farmer, which is

a unique perspective. way on the get to you on some of those tariff issues, but first off, this is of course memorial day weekend. there were four veteran suicides at v.a. faes ofpril aon there are about 2 a d according to the last tally i saw last year. how is this rate not slowing down? >> well, the bottom line is that we have to do more, even once -- one suicide is too many, margaret. we have a bill, nor moore fan and i do to, really take mental health outside the box at the v.a. to be able to include things like owingback to incloud things like equine therapy, other things that have been proven to be able to work for folks who have mental the e. issues. it all deals with telehealth for rural areas like my state of montana and other rural states ash this country. but the truth is what we've done hasn't been enough, margaret. and we have to do more. that's why we need to get senator moran and my bill across

the finish line. if we're able to do that, it gives the v.a. some more tools to get more methods out there to be able to deal with our veterans. but we have failed so far. there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. congress has given the v.a. i think some good tools to use. they need to step it up even greater than before. by the way, the other thing that needs to be done is we need to remove the stigma from this so the people who do have problems move forward. oftentimes many of these suicides happen. they haven't taken advantage of the access to v.a. care. >> brennan: all right. senator, thank you for that. i want to ask you as we mentioned, you're a working farmer, i think you're the only one in the senate who is working the farm himself. the president had a $16 billion bailout bill for farmers, this is the third round so far. will this make up for t the financial losses you're seeing in your home state. >> it's a baxd aid. there's no doubt about that. olks aga the wall, way too many folks.

we're seeing a lot of folks who have filed for bankruptcy a in production and agriculture. but it's a band aid. farmers want to get their check from the marketplace, not from the federal goment and as a previous person said, the fact is the president has created this problem. then he turns around and writes out a $16 billion tex on the taxpayer time. i'm not saying it isn't needed. it is absolutely needed in a lot of case wrtion the folks are up against it, but the truth is the reason we have bad commodity prices is because we have a president who went into a trade war without plan, without our allies, and it ends up where family farm agriculture pays the price that. doesn't help with food security and it certainly doesn't help our economy. >> brennan: senator grassley reportedly will be applying for some of this aid for his family farm. will you be tapping into it and ply for it, asivvied up. i imagine wheat is going to get

part of it, and we do raise grains on my place. so we will see. but look, our place has been hurt by these tariffs just as every other farm has been hurt by these tariffs. we will see as it goes, but i intend to take advantage of it because it will help pay the bill. >> brennan: how long can farmers go before you see the bankruptcies that you have been predicting? >> i think we're already starting to see it. i serve on the backing committee, too. a lot of the bankers told me a year ago farmers had about 18 months before we started seeing a real disaster in ag country. i think we're already seeing that ag disaster coming around. sn't caused weather events. it wasn't caused because of consolidation in the marketplace and prices were low and inputs were too high. we've seen a president who has rsihe tr he had plan to hold china

accountable but didn't know how to implement the plan to hold china accountable. in the end we don't have an end game. and farmers have been paying the price. i have said this before, margaret, maybe said it to you before, but we should have done this through the financial system. we should have had our allies on board. china has been a bad actor, but not just the united states, to countries all over the world. let's bring the world community together and apply pressure instead of just the farmers of the united states of america. >> brennan: you gave a speech making the case that democrats actually do have a shot at winning back rural america. but you said they can't promise things that don't make sense like free college or jobs for everybody. have you seen a democratic candidate that fits thatptior ye policies come out of some democrats that fit that description. and i think it's important that we stay connected with reality. college is too high.