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>> whitaker: you probably don't know the name chanel miller, but chances are you have heard of her court case and the name used to protect her identity: emily doe. she was sexually assaulted in 2015 by a stanford university athlete named brock turner, who was found guilty of three felonies, including assault with intent to rape. before his sentencing, emily doe stood in the courtroom and delivered a powerful victim impact statement detailing the emotional trauma the assault and the legal process had put her through. it instantly went viral, becoming a kind of manifesto for assault survivors all over the
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world. tonight, chanel miller reclaims her identity as the author of that statement, and shares her story for the first time. as you're about to see, she chooses her words carefully when she speaks, just as she did when she put them to paper for her new book, aptly titled "know my name." so this is where you write? >> chanel miller: mm-hmm. >> whitaker: for the last three years, chanel miller has been writing her own story. >> miller: here are some of the drafts. >> whitaker: the 27-year-old majored in literature at u.c.- santa barbara, and has wanted to be a writer since she was a child. she decided to relive the most painful experience of her life because she believes her story, filtered through the glare of the media and restrictive lens of the courtroom, remains untold. yeah, i'm sure it wasn't your top choice to write a book about this. >> miller: it's not the topic i
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would've chosen. but it was the topic i was given. >> audiobook director: so start at the top and let them have it. >> whitaker: we were there when she recorded her audiobook. >> miller: in january 2015, i was 22, living and working in my hometown of palo alto, california. i attended a party at stanford. >> whitaker: she didn't attend stanford university, but she grew up in its shadow. why'd you decide to go to a fraternity party? you were out of college at that time. >> miller: my sister was home for the weekend, and it was my way of spending time with her. >> whitaker: so people were drinking? >> miller: yes. a lot of red cups, like a typical fraternity scene. >> whitaker: do you remember having fun at the party? what were you doing? >> miller: i was dancing on top of a chair. and my sister was sort of coaxing me down, to stop embarrassing her. >> whitaker: chanel has never denied she drank a combination of whiskey, vodka and champagne.
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you drank until you blacked out? >> miller: uh-huh. >> whitaker: she came to about four hours later in a hospital surrounded by nurses and a police deputy. she had abrasions all over her body. her hair was tangled with pine needles. >> miller: i had no idea how to put those pieces together. >> whitaker: how did they tell you what they thought had happened? >> miller: all they said was that i had been found, and that somebody had been arrested. and that he had been chased down because he had been acting hinky. "hinky" was the word the detective used. >> whitaker: did they tell you where you were found? >> miller: behind a dumpster. >> whitaker: what they didn't tell her was that her underwear and cell phone were found on the ground by her body. they also didn't tell her there
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were witnesses-- two of them-- who not only saw the attack-- they stopped it. swedish grad students peter jonsson and carl arndt were riding their bikes to the party that night when they saw something disturbing behind the dumpster outside the frat house. >> peter jonsson: we see a couple lying on the ground, with one person on top of the other. >> carl arndt: he was moving a lot. but we just saw her lying there completely still. >> whitaker: they realized the woman was unconscious. jonsson says when he approached them, the man, later identified as brock turner, got up and ran. >> jonsson: i didn't really have time to think, so i just chased after him. i remember quite vividly. like, i was on his left side. and i got my right leg in front of him. and then i took my body, my upper body, and threw him over my leg and down on the ground. >> whitaker: so, carl, you go over to help peter hold brock
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turner down? >> arndt: yes. he was trying to get loose. >> whitaker: he was squirmin ar. >> whitakeid he seem drunk? >> jonsson: not super drunk. like, he could talk. >> arndt: and he clearly could run. >> whitaker: they held him until police arrived. they also checked on chanel. >> jonsson: she was completely unconscious. >> arndt: i was trying to, like, shake her, and nothing happened. >> whitaker: chanel was taken by ambulance to the hospital in san jose. early that morning, she was examined and told she may have been sexually assaulted. the deputy asked if she'd be willing to undergo a rape kit test. she agreed. did it sink in? the gravity of your situation? >> miller: absolutely not. i just thought i had passed out somewhere and that there was a suspicious man at the party who had behaving in an odd way. i had no idea that he was connected directly to me in any way.
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>> whitaker: chanel's sister, who had left the party early, and had been frantically calling and looking for her, got a call from chanel at the hospital, and came to pick her up. the sisters agreed not to tell anyone, not even their parents, until chanel knew more. for ten long days, she heard nothing-- not from the hospital, police, a counselor. nobody. what's going through your head? >> miller: in order to survive, you just shut everything down. you have to function. you have to go to work in the morning. so it's much easier to just repress everything. of course, i had questions. i woke up and didn't have underwear. why is that? no one tells me where it went. but you just have to keep living. >> whitaker: then one morning at her job at a small tech start-up in silicon valley, this item popped up on her newsfeed. the words "stanford," "rape,"
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and "intoxicated, unconscious woman" leapt off the screen. she knew it was her. and she learned for the first time that her assailant had penetrated her, with his fingers at the very least. that's how you found out what happened to you? >> miller: yes. >> whitaker: reading an article online? >> miller: yes. it was surreal, having the news broken to me by the internet. i was alone, sitting at my desk, surrounded by coworkers, reading about how i was stripped and then penetrated and discarded in a bed of pine needles behind a dumpster. and that's how i figured out all of those elements. and they all added up. and i finally understood. >> whitaker: the name brock turner was mentioned in the article. had you heard his name before? >> miller: never. the first thing i did after
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reading the article was read the comments. and there were many hateful words. >> whitaker: what were some of the comments? >> miller: "what was she doing at a frat party?" "this isn't really rape." "why was she alone?" "she's the predator because she's older." "why would you ever get that drunk?" it was endless. >> whitaker: so what do you say to those critics? people who say, "you did drink until you blacked out. you did make yourself vulnerable." what do you say to those people? >> miller: rape is not a punishment for getting drunk. and we have this really sick mindset in our culture, as if you deserve rape if you drink to excess. you deserve a hangover, a really bad hangover, but you don't deserve to have somebody insert their body parts inside of you. >> whitaker: the day the news
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broke, she received a call. it was deputy district attorney alaleh kianerci, who told chanel she would be handling the case. were there specific elements of this case that stood out to you? >> alaleh kianerci: i mean, the entirety of it, the fact that it was a stanford swimmer, who was an olympic hopeful. really a privileged athlete and student, so that stood out. the fact that it was so very clear to anyone who encountered chanel that evening that she was not conscious, that she was super intoxicated, so she was in no position to consent. >> whitaker: what did his privilege and stanford have to do with making this more difficult to prosecute? >> kianerci: a lot of people were looking at what brock turner had to lose, versus what he did to chanel. and so, the narrative changed. we were almost on the defense, explaining why chanel got too intoxicated instead of focusing the attention on, why did he think it was okay? why did he think that he could
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take advantage of her when she was in such a vulnerable state? >> whitaker: the case received international attention. the media couldn't resist the story of the fallen athlete from one of america's most prestigious schools. to protect her identity, chanel was dubbed "emily doe." turner was almost always identified by his accomplishments in the pool. when you saw the description of him as a champion swimmer on the stanford swim team, what did you think of that? >> miller: i didn't understand why it was relevant, when you're also reporting that my lower half was completely exposed, that my necklace was wrapped around my neck. that my hair was disheveled. that my bra was only covering one breast and the rest was pulled out of my dress. i don't understand why it is relevant how quickly he can move across a body of water, in the context of that article. >> whitaker: did you feel that that description of him as a
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championship swimmer sort of changed the narrative? >> miller: yes. they were framing it like he had so much to lose, and were not focusing on what had already been lost, for me. >> whitaker: by then, she had told her boyfriend and parents. but despite their love and support, she felt alone. chanel told us she became angry, withdrawn, and deeply depressed. >> miller: i would just sit at work and do nothing. i would stare at the screen, and then i would come home and i wouldn't sleep. and so, physically, i began breaking down. >> whitaker: she didn't want anyone to know she was "emily doe," the woman in the news. four years later, the trauma remains just below the surface. >> miller: i felt if anyone ever
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found out that that was me, that it would be absolutely humiliating. i felt dirty and embarrassed. i-- my dream is to write children's books. i felt, no parent-- ( sighs ) --is going to want me as a role model, if i'm just the discarded, drunk, half-naked body behind a dumpster. nobody wants to be that. >> whitaker: how did you carry on? >> miller: well, when i was reliving all of this, i thought, "well, the same night the assault happened, a miracle also happened," which was that i was
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saved. and thinking of the two swedes who knew to do the right thing, and who wanted me really to be okay, always gave me hope. >> whitaker: so, they changed the story? >> miller: they changed the story. they changed the entire trajectory of my life. >> whitaker: when we come back, the trial, the sentencing, and chanel miller's compelling courtroom address to her assailant that would reverberate around the world. ( ticking ) to look at me now, you don't see psoriasis. you see clear skin. you see me. but if you saw me before cosentyx... ♪ i was covered. it was awful. but i didn't give up. i kept fighting. i got clear skin with cosentyx. 3 years and counting. clear skin can last. see if cosentyx could make a difference for you.
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she was sexually assaulted in 2015 by brock turner, a former stanford university athlete, now a convicted felon. known during the contentious trial as "emily doe," a name used to protect her identity, chanel miller would become an anonymous icon for assault survivors the world over. tonight, in her first television interview, chanel miller takes us back to 2016, as the trial approached for the then-23-year- old. what was it like when you finally realized that you were going to have to face brock turner in court? >> miller: it was absolute dread. and i went to a therapist, almost like a personal trainer, and said, "you have three weeks to get me mentally ready." but until then, i thought, "you have to drag me into the courtroom, because i'm not going to go."
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>> whitaker: the case would become a media maelstrom. chanel miller told us that as bad as the previous 14 months had been, nothing prepared her for the cold, adversarial and intimidating atmosphere inside the courtroom. >> miller: i remember standing outside the courtroom doors, and there's a very thin sliver of window in the door where you can look in. and i remember seeing the back of brock's head and his neck. and i thought, wow, this is-- this is him. >> kianerci: it is incredibly difficult for a victim of sexual assault to walk into court in front of their perpetrator and recount the worst thing that happened to them in a room full of strangers. >> whitaker: deputy district attorney alaleh kianerci had charged brock turner with three felony sex crimes. rape charges were dropped, because there was no evidence of intercourse, which was required in california at the time.
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but, she was convinced she had a strong case because of the two swedish eyewitnesses. >> kianerci: they were integral. without them, we would not know the identity of brock turner. they chased him down, and they physically held him down until police arrived. he's an athlete. this is somebody who got into school because of his, you know, physical prowess. and these are two engineering grad students. and they're really the most important reason why chanel didn't suffer a more devastating sexual assault. because i believe, and i argued this to the jury, that had they not stopped him, he would've completed the, the rape. >> whitaker: so what was the hardest part about making your case to the jury? >> kianerci: chanel had no memory. she was completely unconscious, or too intoxicated to remember the immediate moments before. so, we had a perpetrator who was able to write the script.
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>> whitaker: turner's first draft of that script was his police interrogation, conducted just hours after the attack. he told a detective he met chanel outside the frat house, they started kissing, and that he followed her, holding hands, behind the dumpster. he said he placed his hand between her legs and she seemed to enjoy it. he also told police he didn't recall running when the swedish grad students interrupted them. but when turner got on the witness stand 14 months later, his story changed. now, he said he recalled meeting and dancing with chanel inside the fraternity, asking her to go back to his dorm room, leaving together, slipping and falling and laughing. then he said he specifically asked her if he could touch her, intimately, and she said "yes." and now, he admitted running from the swedish grad students, who he claimed attacked him. >> miller: i thought you were
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bound by the truth. i thought those are the rules. that's how court works. >> whitaker: you wrote that th version of events sounded like a poorly-written young adult novel. >> miller: yes. there was a lot of tumbling and laughing. >> whitaker: sounds at great odds with what he said shortly after having been arrested. >> miller: it was all completely new. he had written a new narrative. >> whitaker: so, in this new narrative, you're in agreement? >> miller: the new narrative was extremely convenient, because he needed consent. he needed the word, "yes." >> whitaker: turner would add one more lurid detail-- he claimed under oath that she had climaxed. >> miller: oh, i was livid. i didn't understand why it had been allowed to go that far.
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>> whitaker: i think you told us before that you felt as though you had been assaulted a second time. >> miller: i felt like i was assaulted multiple times. every time you're reliving this. like, this is the list of body parts submitted as evidence. >> whitaker: the trial took its toll. the barrage of questions, the mortifying photos of her half- naked and unconscious body shown in open court, and worst, she says, turner's defense attorney constantly objecting and cutting her off to make her words fit his narrative. >> miller: and i remember in court, the defense attorney always said, "chanel has no memory. chanel has no memory." and i remember sitting there and thinking, "i will remember everything. i will remember every remark. i will remember the lighting inside this courtroom. i will remember the texture of
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the defense attorney's hair. i will remember the depth of the pain you made me feel. i will remember it. and i will record it. and i will write it so that it will not be lost." >> whitaker: chanel poured all those memories, feelings, and frustrations into her memoir, "know my name." with anguish and humor, she takes on a criminal justice system she says fails the most vulnerable. i want to read something you wrote. "this was not a quest for justice but a test of endurance. swearing under oath was just a made-up promise. honesty was for children." that's what the courtroom experience felt like to you? >> miller: yes. after brock's testimony, it felt like all rules had been abandoned. he will go to any end to come out of this without a guilty conviction. and for me, it felt like,
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how many times can we make her relive this? >> whitaker: after all those traumatic days, you get the verdict. tell me about the verdict. >> miller: my heart was beating extremely loud. it was deafening. it was really hard for me to focus. and i was just waiting for the sound of guilty. >> whitaker: and she heard it. all 12 jurors found brock turner guilty of all three felony counts. but it wasn't over. the sentencing was two months away, and chanel was asked by the deputy d.a. to write a victim impact statement, a letter to the judge to inform his decision. >> miller: it's basically documentation of your thoughts and feelings throughout this process. and i majored in literature, which was basically four years of talking about my feelings and reading about other people's feelings.
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so i thought, wow, there's an assignment that exists in the world that i was made to do. >> whitaker: she had been keeping notes on her iphone throughout the process, and in one impassioned all-nighter, she wove them into a defiant, first-person narrative. a few days before the sentencing, she gave it to the prosecutor. >> kianerci: when i first read her letter, i immediately shared it with people because i thought, "this is so good. this is what we see victims go through, what we know that they go through, but it's never been summarized in such an articulate and profound way." >> whitaker: chanel recently read those words for her audiobook. >> miller: "your honor, if it is all right, for the majority of this statement, i would like to address the defendant directly. you don't know me, but you've been inside me. and that's why we're here today." >> whitaker: chanel spoke directly to her assailant in court.
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she says she noticed people crying. brock turner wouldn't look at her. >> miller: "your damage was concrete; stripped of titles, degrees, enrollment. my damage was internal, unseen. i carry it with me. you took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today." >> whitaker: as he handed down his sentence, judge aaron persky acknowledged chanel's words, but also cited the defendant's good character, the fact that he'd been drinking, and the impact prison would have on his life. judge persky sentenced turner to six months in jail-- a sentence at the low end of state guidelines. with good behavior, he'd walk free in 90 days. your prosecutor had been asking for six years.
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>> miller: yes. >> whitaker: how did that hit you? >> miller: i was in shock. so you're saying i just put aside a year and a half of my life, so he could go to county jail for three months. there are young men, particularly young men of color, serving longer sentences for non-violent crimes, for having a teenie-weenie bit of marijuana in their pockets. and he's just been convicted of three felonies. and he's going to serve one month for each felony. how can you explain that to me? >> whitaker: chanel didn't think her voice had been heard, but it had. the news website buzzfeed asked to publish her impact statement in its entirety. without giving it much thought, she agreed. >> miller: i didn't think it would take off anywhere, and i actually felt really vulnerable
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again, thinking, "why am i putting myself out there one last time?" you know, "who's going to sit and read through this entire thing?" but then the views started trickling in, and soon it was 100,000, then 500,000. and by the end of the day, it was a million. >> whitaker: within four days, it hit 11 million. by then, her statement had been shared globally, published by newspapers, and read aloud in its entirety on tv. members of congress staged readings in the capitol: >> rep. ted poe: "you have dragged my through this hell, with you." >> whitaker: and so did people all over the world. >> youtube woman: "you don't know me, but you've been inside me." >> whitaker: and thousands of emails and letters addressed to "emily doe" flooded the courthouse, eventually making their way to her kitchen table. so these started coming in the next day? >> miller: the next day. and it was really like medicine.
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reading these was like feeling the shame dissolve, you know, bringing all the light in. >> whitaker: you heard from a number of survivors? >> miller: so many survivors. and sometimes they would say, "you are the first person i'm telling this to," or "this is the first time i've been able to speak in six years." >> whitaker: in the wake of the sentencing, there was a national uproar. and, after a contentious special election, judge aaron persky became the first judge to be recalled from california's bench in more than 80 years. the case also led to significant changes in california law, setting mandatory prison sentences for anyone convicted of assaulting a person who is unconscious or intoxicated, and expanding the definition of rape to include nonconsensual sexual penetration. >> kianerci: i mean, that's democracy in action. within 90 days, a law was changed, all because of her
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words and her strength. >> whitaker: what do you think of that? >> kianerci: i'm extremely proud of that. i'll take the defeat of a light sentence for a change in the law. >> miller: two bills were signed into law by california governor jerry brown. alaleh mailed me a copy of the signed document, like a certificate that granted me the right to sleep peacefully, knowing this botched sentencing would not be repeated. i began to believe again in justice. >> whitaker: after the trial, brock turner was required to register as a sex offender. his appeal of his felony convictions was unanimously rejected by three judges last year. ( ticking ) >> in her own words, hear chanel miller read her victim impact statement in full at www.60minutesovertime.com. sponsored by ibrance. ♪
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>> alfonsi: what do you mean by that? >> shaquem griffin: i feel like if you only put one hour in, i probably need to put in an hour and 30, or i need to put in two hours. >> alfonsi: shaquem griffin plays linebacker, and on special teams, for the seattle seahawks. his teammate in seattle, and in life, is his identical twin, shaquill. they can be hard to tell apart. shaquem is on the left of your screen. and that's shaquill on the right-- he is one of the best cornerbacks in the league. >> intercepted by shaquil griffin! >> shaquem griffin: as a brother, he's very protective, and he takes his being a big brother role very seriously. >> alfonsi: but how much of a big brother is he? you're twins. >> shaquem griffin: 60 seconds. but he makes it feel like its been years since he's been born. he does good at his job, i guess, because he thinks it's a job being a big brother. >> alfonsi: do you think it's a job being a big brother? >> shaquill griffin: yes. well, if you're his big brother. it's definitely a job. >> alfonsi: we first met the twins at a family reunion in atlanta where they were sporting
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matching t-shirts and smiles. but back at the home they shared in seattle, they bickered like only brothers can. it took all of five minutes before a friendly ping-pong match became an argument over the score. >> shaquem griffin: so what i got? >> shaquill griffin: i got 8-3. i got one more serve. >> shaquem griffin: 8-3? no, it's my serve. it's 8-4. i knew you would try to lie. give me the ball. >> shaquill griffin: you said you got five. >> shaquem griffin: yeah, i thought you had seven. >> alfonsi: the constant competition has been going on since they were toddlers. >> shaquill griffin: you know, i'll give you an extra point. >> shaquem griffin: so it's on me. >> shaquill griffin: i got points to spare. >> shaquem griffin: that's five. >> shaquill griffin: i was just-- you see? you see what i go through? you see what i go through? >> alfonsi: what were they like as two-year-olds? >> terry griffin: whooey. one'd go that way. one'd go that way. >> alfonsi: terry griffin is their dad. tangie is their mom. when the twins weren't pounding on each other, they were wrecking their house in st. petersburg, florida. >> terry griffin: sports was
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more or less something to take some of that energy. >> alfonsi: you needed to run them out. >> terry griffin: i needed to run them. i needed to run them. and they was so excited. they were like, "dad, can i-- ?" "run, boy, run. ( laughter ) run, run, run. matter of fact, you can run some. give me a call when you're finished." ( laughter ) >> alfonsi: nothing slowed shaqeum down, including the birth defect that deformed his left hand. during pregnancy, small strands of tissue constricted his fingers. it's called amniotic band syndrome. the undeveloped hand caused him pain, until it was amputated when he was four. did you ever think about getting him a prosthetic? >> tangie griffin: i thought about it. and then i said, "you know what? i'm-- i'm not going to do it." >> alfonsi: why? >> tangie griffin: because he started working and he d knhe able to button pants, tie his shoes. >> alfonsi: how did you teach him-- and i guess you probably taught him-- how did you teach him to catch a ball without a hand? >> terry griffin: when you get hit in the face about five, six, seven, times... ( laughs ) you-- he used to, like-- >> alfonsi: you're going to
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figure it out real quick. ( crosstalk ) >> terry griffin: yeah, you'll-- you'll start catching. he wanted it. you have-- you got to want it. >> alfonsi: but, the griffins told us, not everyone wanted shaquem on the field. some opposing coaches didn't want a kid with one hand out there, and told their players to target him. and then there were the looks. >> tangie griffin: you have adults, they'll just stare instead of asking. and then the kids will ask, "well, what happened to your hand?" "oh, my daddy, we went fishing, and a shark jumped up and bit my hand off." so every time, he would always make a joke out of it. and that's just growing up. but shaquill wasn't okay with it. shaquill didn't think it was something to be teased about. he didn't even like the fact that when shaquem would joke about it.rocts him right now. he's very protective of his brother. >> alfonsi: shaquem is now 6'1", 230-some pounds. does he need protecting? >> tangie griffin: he doesn't need protecting, but quill doesn't feel like he doesn't. >> alfonsi: still. >> tangie griffin: still. >> alfonsi: by the time they were teenagers, terry griffin was designing contraptions to
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allow his one-handed son to do the same demanding weight- lifting as his twin brother. this one was called "the book." >> shaquem griffin: it's literally like a block of wood, a book, and then a sock over it. >> shaquill griffin: on top of it. >> shaquem griffin: and then, like, a small block on top of the sock-- --where it kind of, kind of clips, or hooks to the bar. my brother can hold it and guide it. >> alfonsi: lifting was followed by daily backyard drills dreamt up, and directed, by their father. what did the neighbors think was going on at the griffin house? >> shaquem griffin: like we're getting ready for war. there was so much stuff going around. you got us in the backyard jumping over bricks. and-- >> shaquill griffin: a lot of yelling. >> shaquem griffin: a lot of yelling. and, oh my goodness-- the dog screaming. >> shaquill griffin: they knew we were training for something serious. >> shaquem griffin: yeah! >> alfonsi: the twins became high school football stars: shaquill with finesse, shaquem with the speed of a running back and a ferociousness that earned him the nickname "beast." >> terry griffin: 'quem would tackle you on top of the
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gatorade and give you a cup. ( laughter ) >> alfonsi: but when college scouts came calling, they only offered a football scholarship to shaquill. what those coaches didn't know is that shaquill wasn't going anywhere without shaquem. the twins had made a pact to stay together. >> alfonsi: when did this happen? how old were you? >> shaquill griffin: we probably had to be, like, eight. >> alfonsi: okay, but eight- year-olds say a lot of things and don't mean it. >> shaquill griffin: but we-- >> alfonsi: that-- that made perfect sense when you were eight years old. but the offers start coming in. and what did-- you wanted to go to miami. is that right? >> shaquill griffin: yeah. >> alfonsi: that was the dream? >> shaquill griffin: uh-huh. >> alfonsi: and? >> shaquill griffin: i remember doing the interview, and i was talking about, you know, "just don't offer me. if you don't offer my brother, don't offer me. because i'm not leaving him." >> alfonsi: why? why wouldn't you leave without him? >> shaquill griffin: i don't know. i think i wouldn't be the same if i went alone. >> tangie griffin: and he was offered florida state, miami-- >> terry griffin: l.s.u. >> tangie griffin: l.s.u. the top schools in the country. and shaquem was like, "look, man, go ahead. i'll be all right." an'quill said, "no, we made a
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pact. we promised each other. nothing will stop us. nobody will interfere in what we want. and that's to be together." >> alfonsi: it was the university of central florida that gave the griffins what they wanted: twin scholarships. but while shaquill became a star, shaquem was stuck on the bench, and told by coaches he'd only be a shadow of his brother. how close were you to quitting? >> shaquem griffin: i was really close. >> shaquill griffin: you get to a point where he said, "i was leaving," and i was going to leave, too. and then i think he ended up staying because he knew how much it would affect me. i said, "if you leave, then you's just breaking everything we promised to each other." >> alfonsi: it took a coaching change to give shaquem a fresh start.
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