captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: it's sunday, november 24th. i'm margaret brennan, and this is "face the nation." >> brennan: a whirlwind week of congressional hearings concludes, and both sides dig in for even more political fireworks as debate begins on whether or not to proceed with a vote on articles of impeachment. but what will those articles be if they do? and what's the president's defense? we'll map out what's ahead with councilors to the president kellyanne conway and the number-two democrat on the intelligence committee, connecticut congressman jim himes. republican on the committee that will write those articles, north dakota's kelly armstrong. >> and now he's taking on him.

>> brennan: plus former new york mayor michael bloomberg spends at least $34 million on ads in more than two dozen states to announce he's joining the race. >> mike bloomberg intends to make good, jobs creator, leader, problem solver. mike bloomberg for president. >> i'm mike bloomberg and i approved this message. >> brennan: we'll talk with our panel of legal experts, then look at the highs and lows in politics. and the rest of the news this week just ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we have a lot to get to today, but we will begin with some breaking news. michael bloomberg is officially joining the presidential race. our ed o'keefe is at the washington bureau. ed. the slogan, according to the website, is "rebuild america." what do you think the entry of

this billionaire entrepreneur into the race will be? >> welsh for one thing it pumps a lot more money into this race. the fact that he's going to spend at least $34 million across dozens of states to run an ad over the next week or so to introduce himself, not in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina and nevada, but in places like florida, new york, illinois, several southern states, as well, because he's going to take aim instead of those early states at the super tuesday states that vote in early march, believing he has no chance at this point to build a formidable operation in those early areas and instead wants to sell himself basically to the rest of the country. and he will be essentially waiting out whoever emerges from those first four states, at least that's his hope, and will be able to confront them come super tuesday. but he enters the race as a moderate, as someone who is concerned about the direction of the democratic party and certainly the direction of the country, and he's making good on something, margaret, as you and i know very well, that he's thought about doing since at

least 2008. >> brennan: this time he's pulling the trigger and getting in. we've seen the ad. we've -- we know that senators warren and sanders have been harshly critical of bloomberg's wealth and characterize him as buying his way into a race without a grassroots movement. and it struck me watching his ad, this particular line, it seemed to be a nod to them. >> the wealthy will pay more in taxes and the middle class get their fair share. everybody without health insurance can get it and everyone who likes theirs keep it. >> that's right. it absolutely did. and they see him as a convenient foil for their ongoing push against the wealthy and big corporations in this country. tom stier, the philanthropist has been in this race but hasn't made much of an impact. bloomberg will immediately draw far more attention inch that ad you notice he says that he would support health care if you like what you have right now or essentially provide a public option. that puts him to the right of

warren and sanders, probably more in line with joe biden,lief ripping up the affordable care act it should be built out. so he will continue to make this centrist push, believing that what sanders and warren are suggesting is not good for the country and certainly not good for the democratic party in the short term, and we'll see sort of how sanders and warren use his entry now as a potential argument for their candidacy instead. >> brennan: you mention at the top the different strategy of this campaign, and political junkies know the whole sort of model of the early caucus states, et cetera, but what is unique about this? is bloomberg essentially buying his way in as he's being accused but in a way that is perhaps more effective, more sort of trumpian? >> that will be the argument that some democrats make for sure. he is buying his way in that he's immediately getting himself on the air, building on a pretty significant operation because he can afford to do it. he's worth about $52 billion.

and it sounds like he's putting up at least $150 million at the start. $150 million at the start. what will be interesting, voters will tell us quickly whether they can tolerate having something like this in the race or whether they're intrigued. one in five democrats in our recent battleground tracker poll said they would take a look at him as a possible candidate and enouut himsaid they don' ngampaign quy could he fhis story a little bit. but what it will do more than anything, margaret, for those of us who follow this and are intrigued by this late entry is load test the theory that you can bypass those first four states and still be competitive. rudy giuliani has tried this in the past. other democrats got in late, thinking it would work for them, but they didn't have a the resources. bloomberg does. he also have some goodwill with democrats. this is somebody who has pushed strongly for gun control in this country, who has helped bankroll big democratic campaigns in big states for congressional candidates across the country. likely going to make an impact very early on.

>> brennan: absolutely. ed o'keefe, we'll be tracking just what that impact is no doubt. and we turn now to impeachment. after 30 hours of televised testimony and with more than 3,900 pages of depositions released publicly so far, the question resonating through washington and beyond is: what's next in the impeachment proceedings against president trump? we begin today with a look at what we learned last week. first, the case against mr. trump. republican fund-raiser turned ambassador to the european union gordon sondland was the most anticipated witness. he told congress that the president instructed him to work with rudy giuliani to convince ukraine to investigate former vice president joe biden and his son hunter. >> mr. giuliani's requests were a quid quo pro for arranging a white house visit for president zelensky. was there a quid quo pro? the answer is yes. >> brennan: but the president

saw this part of sondland's testimony as vindication. >> the quid quo pro you were discussing was over the aid, correct? >> no. president trump, when i asked him the open-ended question, what do you want from ukraine? his answer was, i want nothing. >> brennan: and quoted from the hearing to declare the inquiry over. >> ready? do you have the cameras rolling? i want nothing. that's what i want from ukraine. that's what i said. i want nothing. i said it twice. >> brennan: other witnesses including former white house russia expert fiona hill said they were alarmed when they learned of sondland's efforts. >> because he was being solved in a domestic political errand, and we were being involved in national security foreign policy, and those two things had just die verned. i did say to him, ambassador sondland, "gordon, i think this is all going to blow up," and here we are. >> brennan: david holmes recounted a phone call with the ukrainian president in a restaurant.

>> you heard president trump ask son ambassador sondland, is he going to do the investigation? >> yes, sir. >> what was the ambassador's response? >> he said, "oh, yeah, he'll do it. he'll do anything you ask." >> brennan: dr. hill also stressed the president's continue suggestion that ukraine, not russia, was responsible for the 2016 reek of e-arraed the inton gnasanroonictial narve as beeperp traitsed by the russian security services themselves. >> is it your understanding then that president trump disregarded the advice of his senior officials about this theory and instead listened to rudy giuliani's views? >> that appears to be the case, yes. >> brennan: conclusions from each side predictively fell along partisan lines. republicans said democrats failed to make a compelling case against the president. >> an impeachable offense should be compelling, overwhelmingly clear, and unambiguous. i have not heard evidence proving the president committed bribery or extortion.

>> brennan: democrats saw it differently. >> in my view there is nothing more dangerous than an unethical president who believes they are above the law. i would just say to people watching here at home and around the world, in the words of m great colleague, "we are better than that." adjourned. >> than today's network in new york city. so people from midtown manhattan-- >> i am a vy employee. yee.cc1: in these places... mance like this it's pretty crazy. ...just imagine what it can do for you. ♪ it's how we bring hope to our patients- like viola. her team treated her cancer and strengthened her spirit.

so viola could focus on their future. cancer treatment centers of america. appointments available now. >> brennan: and we're back. thank you for sticking with us through a technical problem. there we're joined now with councilor to the presidentniga brennan: right about michael bloog what do you think this 77-year-old billionaire joining means for the field? >> it means that the democratic field is underwhelming, even to someone like michael bloomberg. there are 18 democrats still running for president of the united states, margaret work probably another 10 or 12 already dropped out of the race,

and michael bloomberg is coming in saying, i don't think any of you can beat donald trump. for all the talk about electability, that's a fiction. you don't know if somebody can or can't win until they do or don't. the real way you win is through the electoral college, which we proved in 2016. so i my bloomberg's play is to ignore those early states and focus on super tuesday. that was supposed to be a place for someone like kamala harris to go in and make big gains in california. her candidacy has all but deflated. i will say a couple things about michael bloomberg his new ad that he put millions behind is all unicorns and rainbow, keep your health care if you'd like. to if you don't, i have something better. from obama-bi. and obama-biden care passed almost ten years ago. as we sit here today, over 20 million americans have no healtm >> we're ready, how's that? the other thing is that michael bloomberg is saying rebuild america. america already elected a builder. if we want the truly rebuild

america, then the people who work behind us for you and me ought to get infrastructure done, surface transportation and air traffic control system that was built for 100,000 passengers and we now have close to one billion. we have a builder in the white house who wants them to do what nancy pelosi said she would do this fall, and it's almost christmas. michael bloomberg was a great mayor of new york city. i lived there under rudy giuliani and michael bloomberg. all four of my kids were born in new york when he was mayor. i wish he would be mayor of new york city again. if he's going to jump in, the most important thing to note ise who will throw that money around the way billionaire never did. we were underresourced and staffed. hillary clinton showed the fastest way to make a small fortune is to waste one: michael bloomberg, is he welcome in his own democratic party?

we have front-runners saying we don't want any billionaires in the country let alone in the democratic primary. >> brennan: i want to get on what's happening in washington with this week of hearings. the president has said he wants a trial in the senate. but then others at the white house say they're not even sure democrats will move ahead with impeachment. what exactly are you preparing for? >> brennan: >> we're preparing for both eventualities. if it does go to a trial in the senate. there are a lot of democrats ringing their hands that they did not see, as will hurd, a moderate republican who is retiring this year, said he did not see overwhelming compelling clear and convincing evidence. many of those democrats, especially the ones who represent the 31 trump-pence districts in '16, they have to say, i know i promised to keep this great economy going, i know i promised trade deals, but we're busy impeaching a president, and they're getting blowback for that. so i think for those democrats, it's not completely certain yet. some of them have gone on the record saying, i'm not there

yet, i have to see what the articles say and what the report is. but we know what they didn't see over 12 witnesses and two weeks of testimony over 30 hours. they didn't hear anybody say, when they were asked, bribery, no, extortion, no, quid kwo pro for the aid, know, preconditions for meetings, did the president commit a crime, no, no, no every time. the closest they got was sondland in his prepared remarks saying he thought there was a quid quo pro for a meeting. they had the meeting on september 22nd in new york. and also the aid went to ukraine earlier than that. so they got their aid. they got javelines and rifles. the ukrainian policy under president trump is better than it was previously, and ukraine has more aid. >> brennan: so sondland, you mentioned there, who testified, he laid out a few different things there. but i'm wondering, you know, he serves at the pleasure of the president. is he going to keep his job? >> he flew right back the brussels, belgium. >> i don't know that he

testified against the president. when sondland was asked by adam schiff, who i guess was waiting for a different response, so the quid quo pro was for the aid, sondland said, no it was for a meeting or statement. ambassador volker said they abandoned the whole idea of making a statement to focus on the aid. that was smart because ukraine got its aids. margaret, we can't impeach and remove a democratically elected president because they didn't beat him in 2016. they haven't a clue how the beat him in 2020. they don't much like him. i think if there is a senate trial, we'll be able to -- that will be more familiar to most americans. this process is unfamiliar to them where the president -- >> there will be witnesses? >> the president could have his own attorneys in there. that's not very fair to the "defendant," but i think defense will go on offense if there is senate trial and we'll be able to call witnesses. we'll be able to challenge their witnesses, and produce other evidence, and those witnesses may include the whistleblower and i would say his attorney, because his attorney, mark zaid,

had an e-mail or a text ten days after inauguration saying the coup we gains now, impeachment. >> brennan: the whistleblower's attorney there. i want to get to something that we talked about in the top of the show. the president gave an extended interview on fox on friday, and he said once again that they, meaning ukraine, have the serveer from the democratic national committee. fiona hill, the russia expert, formerly of the trump white house, said this is something that's prop kuwaited by russian security services. it's false narrative. "60 minutes" is going to have a report tonight on election hacking in 2016, and bill whitaker spoke to the man in charge of the d.o.j. investigation. take a listen. >> frankly, i think republicans are kind of confused, because we hear you saying it's the russians. we hear another part of the government saying maybe the russians, maybe somebody else. we don't know. what are we to believe? is it the russians or is it not? >> well, our indictment spells

out what it is. the evidence that we havehe russians who were behind the hacking and dumping of the democratic campaign in 2016. >> no >> we could move it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> brennan: why doesn't the president believe his own justice department and intelligence experts? >> the president has said he accepts that but also there are plenty of ways to interfere in elections and respectfully -- >> but -- >> if we doing this, we're back to mueller. we've already spent two-2-.5 years and $35 million for a mueller report produced in march. it was a big bomb. mueller's testimony in july, a big bomb. if we're going to go back the, that i think it exposes what didn't happen on capitol hill. >> you know that crowd strieck, that firm that the president keeps bringing up, is based here in the united states. it's a publicly traded firm. it's in fact been hired by

republicans since that time. >> here's what i would say. i'm clad you mention this because the july 25th call, margaret, the transcript of which the whole world has had accession to, the president lays out what's on his mind. it's the day after mueller testifies. now the president wants to get to the bottom of what happened in 2016. we have didn't a great deal in our white house across our administration to secure our elections in the future. and we agree with that, but i also don't want the impeachment process, i don't want members of the mainstream media, including you to, interfere in the 2020 election the way they tried in the 2016. she's going to win. he has zero percent chance of winning. that's interference and that's dangerous, too. a month ago new york late object, they were in favor by 15% of impeaching the president. it's now flipped. 39% against, 34% for. so these democrats who are in charge of the hearing don't represent the swing districts. they have to look at the polls and say there is no appetite to impeach and remove this

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>> brennan: we're back now with the hop democrat on the house intelligence committee, congressman jim journalism he joins us from his district in stanford, connecticut. good morning, congressman himes. you heard the white house case as laid out by kellyanne conway. is there a chance the house doesn't move ahead with impeachment? >> yeah, "case" is a way to put what kellyanne conway just did. i was keeping close track. i'm pretty sure that every single one of her assertions is inaccurate. let me give you a big am exl and i'll come back to your question. she said, hey, nothing happened here, the aid was released and the meeting happened. you can look this up, because i understand the white house is all about making facts slippery, but both of those things happened. the aid was released and the meeting happened, not in the oval office, but the aid was

afr september 9th whenhe inspector general of the intelligence community came to congress and said, there is a whistleblower complaint. the white house had seen that complaint some when the jig was up, yes, then the aid was released, once they were caught. but she's also wrong, to get back to your question, i haven't spoken to all 240 or so of my colleagues, but i don't think any democrat in the congress looked at what handed over the last two weeks and said, gosh, there's nothing there. mush to the contrary, like the american public that was paying attention, my colleague saw an ambassador fired for corrupt purposes, saw aid being held up, and by the way, kellyanne conway may quibble about what sondland said, the chief of staff, mick mulvaney, said there was a quid quo pro and we should get over it. so there is not a democrat who watched the last two weeks and said, gosh, this is a weaker case than i thought it was. >> brennan: there are no scheduled hearings left. what is left to investigate? the case doesn't seem to becl

well, you know, it's a little bit of hard question to answer, because, you know, whether you're kellyanne conway or jim himes, one thing is true, which is that every single day ander single piece of testimony brought up new information. it might have been laura cooper, who came to us and s saying the ukrainians didn't know about this until late august, something that kellyanne conway repeated this morning, but she said in open testimony that my office was queried by the ukrainians in july. i tell you that story because whether it's that or bill taylor appearing and saying, oh, my gosh, there was a phone call overheard where the president asked about the investigation, every single day provides new and incriminating evidence some it's hard to tell you that this thing is done. the thing we need before we get into talking to pompeo or giuliani or anybody else, we need the e-mails and the paperwork that we have subpoenaed from the state department and from the white house. so we can look at what people actually said to each other. that's the critical thing here.

>> brennan: as far as we know, there is no intention of handing them over. are you in talks to have them delivered? >> well, we are. we're pressing, and look, this is another thing that we -- >> brennan: you think you will get those documents rd? kno the decion of the whitecr s, americple t considee ifanengress t g getthat es the f powers. that's a very scary thing. >> brennan: chairman schiff said this morning that the committee is talking to lev parnas. he's one of the indicted associates of rudy giuliani. how far along is that? do you think you need to hear from him? >> well, again, i think it will be very interesting to hear what because, of course, he was wrapped up in the other half of this that we don't know a lot about, which is what the heck rudy giuliani was doing in ukraine. obviously rudy giuliani, private citizen, affiliated with the

president, was instrumental in firing an extraordinary public servant, marie yovanovitch. so i think lev parnas can shed some light on the whole, unseemly activity that giuliani was up to in the ukraine. >> brennan: and his attorney says he would be willing to talk to your committee. one of the other things that his attorney has told news organizations like the "washington post" and cnn is that the ranking republican on house intelligence, devin nunes, was in contact and trying the dig up dirt in ukraine on joe biden. is this a credible allegation? is this something you're going to investigate? >> well, so if you watch devin nunes for five minutes in these hearings, you know he has given other to the defense of the president and to the propagation of fantastical conspiracy theories like this notion that the crowdstrike company, which apparently is a ukrainian company, despite the fact as you pointed out it's actually a california-based company, devin nunes has given himself over to

the search for and propagation of wild conspiracy theories which, by the way, at their source are about russian intelligence. so this whole ukrainian meddling in the election of 2016 has zero evidence for it and it is deliberately propagated by the russian state in order to create confusion. so is it credible? look, i don't know what happened on that trip. but the allegation is that devin nunes used federal funds to fly himself and a couple of staffers over there in the search of dirt on biden. that's actually what the president is accused of doing, misusing public dollars for a political purpose. look, i haven't seen evidence one way or the other, but obviously mr. parnas may be able to cast some light on that. >> brennan: well, we will see what happens. some of you colleagues have called for the ethics committee to investigate. we'll have the leave it there, though, and stay with us for more "face the nation." (statler & waldorf) nobody cares! hahaha!

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