captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington, and this week on "face the nation," following chaos another the caucuses in iowa, wir new hamps and bey democrats hit new lows, and a vindictive president trump strikes back against people he sees as enemies. last week it was the democrats turn to deal with disaster as monday's iowa caucuses gave republicans reason to rejoice. >> the votes are fried. they have no idea who won. they have no idea. >> brennan: he's right about that as the 2020 democratic pack left iowa behind hoping for a brighter result from new hampshire. mayor pete buttigieg and senator bernie sanders appear to have tied in iowa, and they're now battling for the top spot in the

granite state. we have brand-new battleground tracker numbers this morning, and we'll talk to both of them. plus with impssed, an emboldened president trump took aim at his enemies. >> russia, russia, russia. it was all [bl repuanenator mitt romne om office, and house speaker nancy pelosi, who had a shocking moment of her own when she or the up the president's state of the union speech. >> i don't like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. nor do i like people who say, "i pray for you" when they know that that's not so. >> brennan: then in apparent retaliation for providing

damaging testimony in the impeachment hearings, lieutenant governor colonel alexander vindman was removed from his national security council role and e.u. ambassador gordon sondland was called from his post. we'll talk to lindsey graham who warned democrats last week about the fallout from impeachment. >> what you have done is unleash the partisan forces of helinese sze u.s., cui tiankai, weigh nses on the threat of the west nile virus in an interview you'll see only on face thenresd on "face the nation." >> brennan: good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we are still not really sure exactly who won iowa, but cbs news has so far awarded vermont senator bernie sanders and former south bend, indiana,

mayor pete buttigieg an equal number of delegates. with just two days from the new hampshire primary, our cbs news battleground tracker shows the two are at the top in new hampshire, too. vermont nor bernie sanders, who won the new hampshire primary four years ago, is at the very top with 29%. former mayor pete buttigieg is running behind him. he's at 25%. we'll have the full results of our poll later on in the broadcast, but we begin with those two top candidates. senator bernie sanders is up first, and he joins us from manchester. >> gdorning, maet.u, senator. tuesday? >> we are running all over the state. we're talking to as many people as we can. we're talking about what our agenda is, which is an agenda that speaks for the working families of this country, an agenda that is prepared to take on the powerful special interests that have so much influence over the economic and political life of our country, and, by the way, we're going to

contrast our views with mayor buttigieg. one of the areas of contrast, to be honest with you, is that at last count he has about 40 billionaires who are contributing to his campaign, the heads of the c.e.o.s of the large pharmaceutical industries, the insurance companies and so forth. >> brennan: why does that matter? >> oh, it matters enormously. that is precisely the problem with american politics. when you have the heads of large pharmaceutical companies contributing to your campaign, you are not going to aggressively deal with the fact that in some cases we pay ten times more for the same exact drugs as our friends in canada or in europe pay. you're not going the take on the collusion and the corruption of the drug companies for ripping us off every single day. one out of five americans cannot even afford the prescription drugs their doctors prescribe. if you really think that somebody gets contributions from the c.e.o.s of drug companies they're going to stand up to the

greed and corruption of that industry, i don't think so. but it's not only the pharmaceutical industry. >> brennan: but when you were standing on that debate stage on friday, you said that democrats would come together and support a nominee. are you saying bernie sanders will support pete buttigieg if he ends up being the nominee? or even mike bloomberg, a billionaire himself? >> no, i did not say that at all. i think all of them will be far preferable to donald trump, who is the most dangerous and corrupt president in the modern history of this country. > brennan: so you would, sorry, to be clear, you would support either of them if they end up being the nominee? >> margaret, margaret, i have said from first day of this campaign that it is absolutely imperative that we defree trade president trump. of coursely support who the democratic nominee is, but in the democratic primary process, i will distinguish myself, differentiate myself, and one area i differentte myself is we have raire campaign contributions from more americans averaging all of

$18.50 than any candidate in the history of this country. >> brennan: your campaign reported some inconsistencies in the results out in iowa, as did two other campaigns. columnist peggy noonan wrote this: they can't run a tiny caucus in a tiny state, but they want us to believe they can reinvent american health care. how damaging is it that the democrats couldn't get this right? >> it is damaging. it really saddens me, because i went all over the state of iowa. they're beautiful people, good people, who take their responsibility seriously, and the fact that the iowa democratic party that has received all kinds of money, could not could those votes in a timely manner is really a sad state of affairs. >> brennan: but you're advocating for the empowerment of the u.s. government to take over the entire health care system. this just optically -- >> hold on. margaret, margaret, margaret -- >> brennan: the democratic party can't run its own caucus. >> margaret, that's not a true

statement. i'm not advocating fonited statesnment to take over the health care system. what i am advocating for is an expansion of medicare. medicare ex. >> bnnan: right, which would be administered by the u.s. government. >> precisely, just a doctor. they'll go to the same hospital. we will substantially lower the costs of prescription drugs, costs per person will go down. >> brennan: but the nub of the criticism, though, is that this is a question of competency, and straight out of the gate, how do you reassure the public that the party, the ticket you are running on, can do this and do this successfully in the states ahead? nevada is already saying when it comes to their caucuses they're short of volunteers. our campaign reporter says they're short 1,000 caucus chairs, and they might have to even hold two caucuses at once. this doesn't look efficient.

>> that may well be the case, but let's get back to the united states government. i'm not the chair of the nevada democratic party. >> brennan: you told my colleague norah o'donnell recently on cbs that you couldn't put a price tag on your health care plan and your proposals, but i want to ask you for clairtd here. back in july you told the "washington post" medicare for all would cost between $30 to $40 trillion over ten years. do you still trust those numbers and those estimates? >> sure, all that i said -- the answer is yes. all that i said is that anybody who tells you what anything is going to cost is not telling you the truth. there is so much. it's so big. if we do nothing -- >> brennan: so it's not $30 to $40 trillion. >> over a ten-year period. sure. i mean, the problem is we already are spending about 50% of health care dollars already come from the federal government. we are going to add the other 50%. but here's the main point that people should appreciate. if we do nothing, according to health and human service, we'll

be spending $50 trillion. we spend twice as much per capita on health care as do the people of canada or europe. so of course we can provide health care to all people spending less than we are doing now because we're going to end the $100 billion in profiteering that goes to the drug companies, tht goes to the insurance companies and the hundreds of billions in administration of thousands of separate plans, an enormously complicated and wasteful system. >> brennan: senator sanders, thank you for your time. we now turn to former south bend mayor pete buttigieg. he's at his campaign headquarters in manchester. good morning to you. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> brennan: according to our latest figures you're about four points behind senator bernie sanders. how do you close the gap and make the argument that moderates should vote for you and not joe biden? >> well, new hampshire is a state that likes to think for itself, and we'll be engaging democrats as well as a lot of undeclared voters and maybe

handful of republicans who know that they won't agree with me on everything but are just sick of looking their kids in the eye and tryind explain this president. that kind of hard work we'll be putting in all the way until polls close on tuesday, and we're confident that it's going to lead to a great night. >> brennan: will you also have to throw a few elbows here back at bernie sanders, who is basically calling you a little inauthentic. he's going after some of your financial base, saying you have at least 40 billionaires with ties to the pharmaceutical industry, other big-money interests. he's basically saying you're bought and paid for. how do you respond to that? >> well, i have never hesitated to stand up to industry. we sued the pharmaceutical industry when opioid makers ravaged our community, and i'm campaigning right now for higher taxes for the wealthy and for corporations to finally have to pay their fair share. and my campaign has been built from the grassroots. we have hundreds of thousands of supporters, most of whom went on

pete for america dot com and chipped in a few bucks because they share this vision we have for the future. being the mayor of south bend, iniana, is not an establishment powerhouse. we're here because this message and this vision i'm offer connec with voters of all backgrounds. at a time like this, if somebody is ready to help us put together the campaign that's going to defeat donald trump, then i welcome that support, no matter how they voted in the past, no matter if they got a lot of money or not, i want their help, because let me tell you, donald trump and his allies right now are doing everything they can to hold on the power. they just raised $25 million in a day. we need to go into that fight with everything that we've got, and i'm not going to define my campaign by who has helped me reject or whose support we turn away. this is a moment to bring everybody that we can into common cause, just as we have to unify the country after we do this. >> brennan: joe biden says you're unelectable, inexperienced, and today he said you're unable to unify the black

community. he also released a digital ad. let's listen. >> joe biden helped save the autoindustry, which revitalized the economy of the midwest and led to pesage and the implementation of the recovery act, saving our economy from a depression. pete buttigieg revitalized the sidewalks of downtown south bend by laying out decorative brick. despite pressure from the n.r.a., joe biden passed the assault weapons ban through congress. then he passed the violence against women act. and even when public pressure mounted against him, former maor pete fired the first african american police chief of south bend and then he forced out the african american fire chief, too. >> brennan: how do you respond to that? >> well, it's a typical political attack that doesn't tell most of the story. it makes no mention of the work that we did, for example, in my administration, appointing the first african american top

lawyer for the city, helping the first city-wide executive african american woman get elected in south bend, and really minimizing the experience of my city. and i know that a lot of mayors are speaking up today about the idea that what happens in communities doesn't count. maybe my community does look small from the perspective of washington, but to us a lot of times it's the in-fighting in the washington establishment that looks small and the work that we're doing on the ground in communities that are tired of being treated as a washington punch line. >> brennan: lastly, how do you instill confidence in the public that the democratic party can run this election with integrity given the confusion that just happened in iowa. >> well, the delay was frustrating. i imagine nobody has more cause to be frustrated than i did, but at the end of the day, this is about voters standing up and talking about and voting for the future that they want. it's voters asking the question: how is my life going to be

different depending on which president that we get. and for all the party behind the scenes machinery, what matters most at the end of the day is that the american people are going to send a statement. and the majority that we have right now, not just unified around wanting a different and better president than donald trump, but even more importantly, unified around what we're for, having corporations pay their fair share, raising wage, acting on climate change, getting everybody health care, delivering paid family leave, acting on gun violence, these are america's priorities. they're certainly the priorities of my campaign. >> brennan: tom perez, head of the dnc, is saying that perhaps the national party should be taking more of a role here. it's not instilling a lot of confidence about these local officials. what do you think? >> i'll let th party work on what the party does. i'm focused on what we need to

do through the power of the american presidency to change the trajectory of this country before it's too late. i believe there is a strong enough majority for what we seek to do that there will be an unambiguous,decisive result, not just to end the trump presidency, but to put trumpism itself in the history books in and only if we have platform and a campaign based on unity and belonging. that's why i'm concerned about a message that says that either you're for a revolution or you must be for the status quo. most americans don't know where they fit in that story. i'm offering a different approach, and that's clearly serving us well and we're going to be on the ground connecting with as many new hampshire voters as possible in these remaining hours to make that case and earn that win. >> brennan: all right. we'll be watching. thank you, mayor pete. w'll be back in one minute with republican senator lindsey graham. as a small business owner,

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senator, good morning. >> good morning. >> brennan: the president is up. he's watching apparently because he sent out a tweet about you appearing on this program. he said "deface the nation will tell lindsey graham they must start at the judiciary and not stop." i'm not sure what that means, but it sounds like he's giving you marching orders. >> i think what he's talking about is oversight of the fisa warrant system that failed. i can promise the president and your viewers that i'm going to called witnesses -- > brennan: foreign surveillance. >> the horwitz report, mccabe, comey, rosenstein, gates, how did you miss it so badly? how could you issue four warrants against an american citizen based on information that was unreliable. but here's what i want to tell the president: i'm not going to be the republican christopher steele. so rudy giuliani last night said he's got the goods on hunter biden. i called the attorney general this morning, and richard burr, the chairman of the intel committee, and they told me take very cautiously anything coming

out of the ukraine against anybody. so whatly do is i will get to the bottom of how the fisa warrant system failed and make sure we reform it, it doesn't happen again, and i think questions about the conflict of interest regarding hunter biden into ukraine need to be asked. the state department had warnings, and they ignored the conflict of interest. the whistleblower episode needs to be investigated by richard burr, but if rudy giuliani has -ny information coming out of ukraine, he needs to turn it over to the department of justice because it could be russian propaganda. >> brennan: last time you were on this program in december, you said giuliani should come to the judiciary committee with what he said was a suitcase full of documents he picked up in ukraine on the bidens. are you saying you don't want any part of this anymore? >> after talking to the attorney general and the intelligence chairman that any documents coming out of ukraine against any american, republican or democrat, need to be looked at by the intelligence services, who has expertise, i don't, because russia is playing us all

like a fiddle. and christopher steele was played by the russians. that started the russian investigation against president trump. it was all garbage. >> brennan: are you saying rudy giuliani is getting played by the russians? >> i don't know. i'm saying that -- >> brennan: it soundk thhat yo >>'maying thaanybody who has any information coming from the ukraine needs to turn it over to the intelligence community. as to senator schumer warning -- wanting parnas in the audience -- >> brennan: one of rudy giuliani's associates. >> yes. crooked as a snake. schiff gets called by a russian hokester, i have photos of president trump in a compromising situation. to every american politician, you should be very cautious about receiving information coming out of the ukraine that may be a hoax. >> brennan: does the president know that? >> if he's watching the show,

here's what i would tell him: i'll get to the bottom of the fisa process. because it was an abuse of power. we'll make sure hunter biden's conflict of interest was explored, because it's legitimate. how could joe biden fight corruption when his son is sitting on the burisma board. you said you talked to attorney general barr. >> this morning. >> brennan: has the department of justice been ordered to investigate the bidens? >> no, the department of justice is receiving information coming out of ukraine from rudy -- >> brennan: already? >> he told me that they had created a process that rudy could give information and they would see if it's verified. rudy giuliani is a well-known man. he's a crime fighter. he's loyal to the president. he's a good lawyer. what i'm trying to say to the president and anybody else, the russians are still up to it. deterrence is not working some let's look at hunter biden's conflict. let's look at joe biden. vice president, what did you do when they told you your son was

on burisma's board? it undercut your ability to fight corruption? did you take it cyrly is? when it comes to documents coming out of the ukraine the republicans and democrats, be very cautious. turn anything you have over to the intel committee? >> brennan: have you ever said to the president that when he repeats thing like the idea that there is a nnc server hid anyone ukraine that this is russian propaganda that he is repeating and believing? have you ever said that directly to him? >> i don't have any information about the server being in the ukraine. >> brennan: you just said things coming out of ukraine should be looked at with high scrutiny because of russian interference. >> here's my point: it was the russians who hacked into the dnc, not the ukrainian, but there are people in the ukraine that were pulling against trump because they hateed manafort. >> brennan: you have a role as chairman of the senate judiciary to have oversight of the justice department. >> i'm not in charge of the

whole government. >> brennan: i understand that, however, when you're talking about being asked to do these things and a channel being open between rudy giuliani and the justice department, this sounds alot like this is in some ways a taxpayer funded research operation against joe biden. isn't this exactly what was at the heart of the impeachment probe to begin with? >> no, not at all. there are plenty of people being contacted by folks from the ukraine. adam schiff got contacted by somebody thought to be a russian. he was willing to get on a plane apparently and go find the documents. schumer believes that parnas has got the goods. parnas says, "i'm in on it." i've never met parnas some democrats are being played, and i'm not going to be played. so we're going to look at the hunter biden/joe biden connection to the ukraine. we're going to ask the state department, why didn't you dohef interest when the john kerry's

chief of staff was warned about hunter biden's conflict on burisma, what did you do if anything? that's all legitimate. rudy says he's got "the goods." all i can tell rudy and anybody else, if you got some information connectedded to the ukraine against anybody, go to the intel committee, not me. >> brennan: you don't want a part of it right now. we need to finish this conversation. because you brought up a number of things, so we're going to have to take a quick break. i do want to say, though, that to this point, nothing has been in any way substantiated in regard to corruption when it comes to joe biden himself. his son served on the board and was paid for it. >> i just think the media is so willing to tank over this issue. i makes me sick to my stomach. >> brennan: you said it needs to be investigated. >> cbs hasn't sent one reporter. >> brennan: to ukraine? >> i don't think you take it seriously. >> brennan: we are. that's why we're taking a break

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