>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation". we want to pickup we left off with the surgeon general, dr. jerome adams. and i just want to button up where we left off. on the matter of the cruise ship. if someone is exposed and testing positive, will they be kept in the state of california? >> some of those -- well we are still working out where we can best put those folks. i don't have you to understand, these are -- >> brennan: but they dock tomorrow. >> yes. and that plan is being developed right now. there are four, almost 4,000 people on that cruise ship, we are working with with the department of defense. the most important thing for american people to know is that folks who test positive will be kept isolated so that they

cannot expose other people. we don't want to put communities at risk. >> brennan: but people who do test positive could be disbursed to military bases around the country? >> well, we are going to try to keep them attained as possible, but we are going to make sure, and as close as possie, warg mae can ep tm froexg the rennanwe shod you have at the white house every day? >> exactly and again i would refer you to ambassador birch for more information on that. we want to make sure the american people know we arelth e people on that ship, getting them off the ship as quickly as possible, as safely as possibleg homes in particular are very vulnerable, older people are being advised as you heard from dr. fauci they are to reconsider putting themselves in certain circumstances. would you tell someone over the age of, what, 55, 60, i mean, what is the age group you are

saying should not get on a plane or get on a cruise ship? >> well, great question. and we have gotten new data emerging, we know that the average age of people who are dying from coronavirus is 80 plus. we know that the average age of people needing medical care and advanced meld compare is 60 plus so what we are telling folks is if you in in an at risk group, meaning you are elderly or meaning you have co who immunosuppressed for any reason you should take extra precautions not to ut yourself in a situation where you may be exposed. >> brennan: what if you are pregnant? >> again, if you are from erge of 30 has died of the coronavirus in south korea, no one under the age of 50 has dd in japan, there is something abouting abog younger is protective but in the higher risk groups we suggest you avoid crowded spaces and avoid -- and taking a long haul flight, because most people are

going to be fine but we want those folks who we know who are at higher risk for complications to protect themselves. >> brennan: but in new york state declared an emergency and they have said you can't have visitors until further notice. i mean, should other states be doing this? would you advise other states to do this? >> well, that's one of the reasons the vice president and i have been going around the country. we have spoken with three -- i have spoken with three governors in the pst week saying you need to be having these conversations right now and i would encourage folks to go to cdc.gov there are specific guidances for audiences, groups, schools, he met with evangelical, faith leaders and want to know what their triggers would be but the risk is different in different e diffentn u do in jackson, mississippi, for instance. >> brennan: you have been a state health commissioner, in fact you were then one under mike expense. >> , pens. >> we dealt with zika, yes. >> brennan: and the largest hiv outbreak from intravenous

use. saying this administration has been slow to respond to this virus. given that vice president pence and you, same team, different situation, how do you respond to that, that there was a slow response then, there is a slow response now? >> well i would rather talk about coronavirus but it is important for folks to know. >> brennan: well the response specifically is what he was criticizing you for, not having kits in place for not playing the ground -- >> i appreciate that, sir ring programs which folks are looking at stepping the tide of hiv transmission in indiana wereov >> brennan: noei ord.er to the v situation. governor pens showed leadership in that situation, syringe service programs were illegal when he came in and legal when he left and one of the few governors from a red state that actually expanded access to care which end in that response, and so we have the right person in charge of this response right now. it is a recommendation of the panel that susan brooks led in

congress in 2015 that the vice president lead just such a response. now, sparse the coronavirus is concerned, we have been leading into containment initially which is trying to keep the virus are entering the country. we now are seeing community ti the impact --e trying to hel >> brennan: containment didn't work and now you are looking at mitigation? >> containment slowed the introduction of the virus and give people time to prepare and we know communities need to look at how we deal with community spread and things such as social disancing, not having large gatherings, pulling down events and those are conversations communities need to be having right now. >> brennan: thank you very much, doctfod telling us -- >> thank you, wash your hands, cover your cough, by staying home if you sick, masks do not work for the general public, in preventing this em from getting coronavirus. >> brennan: and thank you very much, doctor, we will be right back with former fda commissioner scott gottlieb.

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>> brennan: joining us now is former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb, good to have you back on the program. >> thanks a lot. >> brennan: i want to pick up where we left off with the surgeon general who said right there at the end they are switching strategies, they are no longer looking to contain the virus. they are looking to mitigate it. does that -- does that mean they are acknowledging what they have been doing is not working? >> we have an epidemic underglai the united states and a very large outbreak in seattle is the one we know about, probably one in santa clara, maybe other parts of the country and city, so we are past the point of containment and broad mitigation strategies, the next few weeks will change the complexion in this country, we are looking at two months probably of difficulty, to give you a basis of comparison, two weeks ago, italy had nine cases, 95 having diagnosed in the last -- in the last ten days. we are entering that period right now of rapid acceleration. and the sooner we can implement tough mitigation ps of businesses like seattle, the

lower the scope of the epidemic here. >> brennan: let's talk about mitigation, because when i askvg and i asked him a few ways, if he would consider doing what italy just did. >> right. >> brennan: which is essentially trying -- i mean they are quarantining a quarter of the population in the economically vital part of their country. this samas receive decision for them to have made can. when i asked him about doing something like that in washington state, he said, well, they are talking about more distancing and more measures like that. is it just that governors like him don't want to say out loud that we may have to do something like what italy did? >> i think no state and no city wants to be the first to basically shut down their economy but that is what is going to need to happen. states and cities will have to fact the interest of the national interest right now to prevent a broader epidemic. >> brennan: shut down their economy. >> close businesses, close large gatherings, close theaters, cancel events, how do we provide assistance to the city of these states hit by hardships as well as localities themselves to give

them an incentive to do this. right now live is no economic support to do this you don't want to be the first to go and i think you are seeing this. this is one of the challenges a of our, we leave a lot of authority to state and local official osition likgood reason wh ot just in the local but national interest, we need to think about trying to coerce them, we can't force them but also trying try to provide some incentives in terms of support and we are going to end up with a very big federal bailout package here for stricken businesses, individuals, cities and states, we are better off doing it up oninistance to get them to do the right thing than on the back end after a very big epidemic. >> brennan: are you are you telg the white house to do these things? you used to work in the administration. >> i still have conversations with the administration. i have been saying this for weeks. we need to try to get ahead of this right now. >> the president said in the tweet we have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the white house for our attack on the coronavirus. and he said the news media is

doing everything possible to make us look bad. i am asking you this, not because i am a member of the media but because we are trying to sus out what is reality versus age situate at this for the public, is this a perfectly fine-tuned plan and is what people hearing on the news, as the president said, just to make him look bad? >> we now have a window of opportunity to implement tough measures to try to push down the scope of the epidemic. what you want to do is put the place mitigation steps to reduce the peek number of cases you get to get below the health system gets exhausted, what happened in wuhan, china the health care got exhausted and fatalities grew quickly. what we need in terms of a goo o what you do in terms of mitigation steps and when cities should implement that. >> brennan: you are not seeing that yet? there. >> there is no systematic plan of when they should close school

and theaters and, we leave this to local officials but we should have a comprehensive plan in terms of recommendations to cities and then some support from the federal government for cities that make that step, make >> bnnan: so onge will. administration has compared this to the flu. is that how people should be thinking about this? >> no this is not the flu, china didn't shut down their economy because they had a bad flu season. the fatality is higher through the anales, there s'more severe range, you don't see the full spectrum of disease you see with the flu, where some ged get a mild disease and some more sphere disease, here you are seeing a more binary response, some people get mild to moderate disease and some people get very sick for but for the people who get very sick this could be a very dangerous disease, the fatal a at this rate will be about one percent, and not just older americans as tragic as that is and shouldn't dismiss the burden this is on older americans you look at 40 years old the fatality is between

point few and .4 percent, that is mea 2, 40-year-olds could die from this. >> brennan: there is based on what? >> out of south korea data. .6, but the time to death is three to sticks weeks and most of the cases were diagnosed in the last ten days. time to hospitalization is nine to 12 days, so most of these people in south korea haven't worked through the severe stage of this disease. the case fatality rate will go up and one more point you have to make a distinction between a case fatality rate and the infection fatality rate we talk about the case fatality rate how many people who get the disease will die. >> some are talking about infection fatal a at this rate, how many who get the infection will die? that's not what we focus on because some get the infection but not similar symptomatic. >> we count the people who get the disease for that the case fatality rate may not reach one percent in our system but might get close to that, it is not .1 and that's the seasonal flu and not .05 and that's a

mild flu season. >> brennan: you need an adequate number of tests. >> which we are getting. thanu.are get >> tha: nsight and we will be back in a moment. >>

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>> know longer seek to be the 2020 democratic nominee for president. >> i am ending my campaign. >> i am with great enthusiasm going to endorse joe biden. >> i ent president to defeat donald donap and today i am leaving the race for the same reason. >> one of the hardest paro waitr more years. >> brennan: and a quote former vice president biden, you heard him at the top of our broadcast, what a difference a week makes. this has been quite a turn around for him and his campaign. we gather some of the very best in the business for analysis today. amy walt search national editor at cook political report and host of the take away. dan balls is chief correspond the dent of the "washington post". joel payne is the democratic strategist and cbs news

contributor and political contributor, both are very familiar faces to our cbs and viewers so it is great to have all of you here. amy, a week ago a -- [laughter] -- >> i can't believe it was just a week ago. >> just a week ago. >> it felt like a year and a half ago. >> and we were talking about a single wing in south carolina could be enough to keep joe biden going in this race, then tuesday happened and now we are calling it a two man race. what drove this turn around? >> the most important person in the democratic primary has all of been donald trump and being able to beat donald trump was the key issues, voters had been telling us for the last two years. just couldn't figure out who the best candidate was to beat him. i think after amazed there was this consensus, especially here in washington, but even among regular voters that the candidate who was seen as the most, quote unquote electable was not bernie sanders, but he was on the path to winning the nomination after amazed, and you put that, nevada in, and you put

that in combination with joe biden's big south carolina win, thanks a lot to jim cliburn's endorsement and to get all of those candidates who dropped out to endorse joe biden immediately is really phenomenal. i talked to one republican who said, well i guess democrats are just, they are just more disciplined than we are, we could never have done that in 2016, we are not more disciplined than republicans, it is that donald trump represent as much more existential threat, at least democrats see it that way, that's what brought them to the table. i don't know if a president marco rubio or a president jeb bush would have gotten democrats to do what they did with joe biden this week. >> >> brennan: i hear amy saying that basically democrats didn't fall in love in a week. they fell in line with the party. >> yeah. >> brennan: aligned themselves here. >> i think they did and i totally agree with amy that the issue was who would they rally around eventually? because we knew that senator sanders had a ver basofsuort buh iowa and new hampshire and to some extent in nevada was that

he wasn't the overwhelming choice. he was the choice of 25 to 35 percent of the democrats. that meant there was a big group that was looking or somebody else. and they were looking for some kind of queue or clue as to what to do and after south carolina voters gave them that cue in a very strong way, and that brought everybody together in a way that no one could have anticipated. >> brennan: you know, senator sanders, though, joel, had been campaigning and on programs just like this one would say time and 15 that he was unique in being able to bring in young voters, motivated voters, to the democratic party, but then on tuesday, he had this to say. >> had we been as successful as i hope as bringing young people in and the answer is, no we are making some progress, but historically everybody knows that young people do not vote in the kind of numbers that older

people vote in. >> brennan: he says he didn't get the youth vote the way he expected, black voters didn't vote his. latino voters, though, in certain states did stick with bernie sanders. >> they did. it is not the coalition that you have to build to win in the democratic primary this time, it is funny we were told to spent a revolution. bernie sanders talks about a revolution but we thought it would be from the left of the party, not from the center left of the party, it was senior voters, it was working class folks in the middle of the country, it was suburbanites, college educated women and african americans, that's the revolution we saw, we saw surges in all of those numbers of voters. we even have seen a surge in turnout in some of the early states, in nevada and new hampshire and south carolina. big numbers that actually spell pretty well for democrats this november, and i think the biden campaign has been saying as aim he said the animating issue in this primary is a desire to defeat donald trump. and i think that they feel like that is the biggest reason why

the wind is at their back right now. >> brennan: do you think that there would be a time when whenu would say african-american voters have led the way for the establishment that everyone is following them? >> totally. >> is that happening? >> not to toot my own horn but i wrote it about four months ago and know there are a lot of folks not just african-american. >> brennan: i am from south carolina. >> totally. african-americans are the core of the democratic base, particularly african-american women are the most reliable democricewctions. >> brennan: senator harris has reminded us of that time and again, but she didn't get the support enough to stay in the race, this morning she is out there and he is endorsing joe biden. should we expect to see more of her? >> totally. and look i think obviously she is -- 3 is a clear candidate for the vice presidency that folks would kind of make that group, that biden harris grouping but you also have to think if you are joe biden how do you pull in those sanders voters if bernie you pl in those folksinee? to make sure they do not feel

ostracized and a alienated by the party? does kamala harris do that? is there another person of color, younger woman candidate who can do that? maybe there is something else out there. >> brennan: leslie, way tonight ask you, senator warren, we played that clip of her talking about promising all of those young girls and they are going to have to wait another four years. he is also said something very specific to gender and how it factored into this race. let's listen. >> gender in this race, you know, that is the trap question for every woman. if you say, yeah, there was sexism in this race, everyone says whiner. and if you say, no, there was no sexism, about a bastille i don't know women think .. what planet to you live on. >> what did you make of that a? we didn't hear it from senator klobuchar when she dropped out. >> that's an interesting distinction you have there on the way to the white house there

are these frameworks they have for male candidates and authoritative, the leadership style, it bolsters kind of their sense of commander in chief, for women in contrary with the similar traits, more feminine traits it is viewed through a different lens and sometimes women are categorized as ditzy, as a witch, or something who is a media darling, we cannot refer look at them in a whole as what they represent. do you agree with with with her? >> i think there is some legitimacy to that but let's look at the distinction, she raised over $100 million and coming off the back of a congress, a democratic congress where more women were elected than they have historically and the 18 million of hillary clinton who was in the top of the ticket at 2016 so there has ce thathols did nonnect h the va nominee in this case to take on donald trump. >> do you agree? >> in and every campaign has to heat the moment, right, and this

moment for, i like joel about the revolution of the center, which was this was not a time when voters were willing to take a risk, take a risk on a 38-year-old candidate who is openly gay, not willing to take a isk with a candidate on elizabeth warren who seen seen as too par to the left may not be able to beat donald trump and if you talk to strategists i am sure dan heard the same thing, we sat in focus groups where many women said i am worried a woman can't beat donald trump as did men. >> brennan: dan, you had an extraordinary week for president trump, not just because of the coronavirus, that we have been talking about, it was not a good week for him in the financial markets. you had the airline industry getting hit hard. southwest ceo says it has a 9/11 feel like these days, the federal reserve stepped in and took extraordinary measures, cutting rates. this is the president losing his best pitch for reelection? >> well, we don't know how lng this is going to last. right now, we are in a terrible

moment, and sort of the economic carnage we are beginning to see is going to continue to ripple, i mean in listening to the experts who were on here earlier today, we are at the front end of some of this and it is going to get worse. so in that sense, the biggest issue that he has going for him is a strong economy and he now face as period in which that is not going to be the case. i think the issue is going to be how long does it go on? and what do people think abouta the degree to which he gets the blame as opposed to somebody else. but we are going to go through a bad period and if you are theity for you. >> margaret, i think the worst thing that happened for president was the comments at the town hall about social and medicare i can tell you someone who has spoken to a few folks near the biden campaign they saw that as a fastball right down the middle for joe biden to start to make his general election case against cost, it is not the first time he said it but the fact he would say that to combined with all of the other things that are happening that is very ominous politically for the president to be talking

that openly about it. >> indicating potential cuts? >> yes. >> i was going going to say i think the president is trying to influence the nation and give the stiff upper lift, to stay informed but not buy into the hysteria and the reason it has become so political sized and it is hard, margaret what you are trying to do is cipher fact from fiction here because there is this lane across the democratic kind of thinking and what they are ying a their messaging, is this a failure of the presidential management style, just similar to george w. bush and hurricane ca tria naah? are we falling in that line? and the president is going to push back and say i have the task force, we are, you know, aligned, working with private industry and the federalth waoint rublican and democrat initiative. that is where this gets political. >> brennan: and it will be interesting to see what the new chief of staff at the white house will do. and what impact he will have. we will be right back. >>

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>> brennan: that's it for us today. thank you for watching. until next week, for face the nation, i am margaret brennan. >> y'

off california, this tainted cruise ship is set to docked. when somebody is sick, stay home. the trump administration downplaying the crisis as the president insists he's safe. >> no, i'm not concerned at all. no, i'm not. we've done a great job. plus, joe biden and bernie sanders get set for their next

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