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captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington. and this week on "face the nation," with the month of march behind us, americans prepare for what is likely to be a cat strofng april. the numbers of new cases of coronavirus are staggering. if mitigation doesn't work, the trends are terrifying, and the impact on the economy unimaginable. >> this will be probably th wek ofeath, unfortunately. >> please maintain social distancing. >> brennan: with 42 states and the district of columbia issuing stay-at-home orders, people are strug length to abide by the rules. continuing shortages of medical equipment and personnel add to the urgency of the crisis. >> when the brunt of it comes, we want to be ready to hit the areas that need it. >> brennan: we'll try to get answers to two crucial questions
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this morning: is mitigation working? and how are we doing on scientific advances to stop the virus? we'll talk with dr. anthony fauci of the national institutes of health, and former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. plus, as the crisis continues to engulf new york city, we'll talk with the head of northwell health, michael dowling. the pandemic has left at least 10 million people out of work so far. we'll look at the new numbers, and talk with the head of the st. louis federal reserve bank, james bullard. finally, as the strain of job loss, health concerns, and isolation take their toll on americans, we'll ask mental health expert dr. luanna marcus, how to cope with it all. ( applause ) >> brennan: despite these dark of americbeing challenged like never before. >> we will get through this, america. >> brennan: from coast to coast, there is one thought that can unite us all.
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it's all ahead on "face the nation." >> brennan: welcome to "face the nation." since last week's broadcast, the number of deaths due to covid-19 in the u.s. has quadrupled. in the last 24 hours, there have been more than 1300 new deaths recorded. the hardest hit areas are by now familiar to you: the northeast, west coast, the south, and some parts of the midwest, with new york city, los angeles, new orleans, and detroit heavily impacted. experts say there is a new wave of so-called hot spots coming, expanding areas in the northeast, midatlantic, and south, plus states like indna and colorado. cbs news national correspondent mark strassmann reports from
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atlanta. >> reporter: good morning, margaret. the c.d.c. now recommends wearing face masks in public, something cloth, like this bandanna, all voluntary. if it's the latest shift in our crisis lifestyle. roughly 95% of americans now live under orders to stay home, a nation in hibernation. 50 states, 50 front lines, and by far, new york has the worst of america's corona contagion. 40% of the country's cases, and almost half the deaths. >> we're not yet at the apex, and if we don't stop the spread, thoing to burn down our own country. >> reporter: governor cuomo believes new york city is about a week away from the apex, terrible timing. city hospitals could run out of ventilators within days. p.p.e.! >> reporter: doctors and nurses protested alarming shortages of protective gear--
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gowns, masks, face shields. >> every day when i go to work, i feel like a sheep going to slaughter. >> reporter: in new jersey, governor phil murphy pleaded for supplies and volunteers. >> clearly, we're in a world of hurt. >> reporter: without real-time data, no model can truly predict when any hot spot will peak, but consider the latest trends. covid-19 deaths quadrupled in both chicago and detroit over the last week, and doubled in new orleans. overflowicflow cocorona patientn military field hospitals. across america, nearly 20,000 national guardsmen reinforce covid-19 response efforts. and for the coast guard, it's all hands on deck with cruise ships. in port miami, carnival's "coral princess" today will start letting off more than 1,000 passengers. two people died at sea from the virus, another dozen have tested positive. >> this is so sad that all the
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cruise lines are here. >> reporter: right off south florida's coast, you can see a floating parking lot. in all, 114 cruise ships sail in or near u.s. waters. they carry an unknown number of sick people. america is staring at another grim week. new cases and deaths will spike again. without a vaccine, soc distancing remains key, because only the virus can predict its course. the c.d.c. has also gun blood testing groups of people. it's looking for signs of previous infection with the virus, and one of the goals: to get a better sense of just how widespread this epidemic really is. margaret. >> brennan: mark strassmann reporting from atlanta. as most of the world struggles to contain a still-surging pandemic, china is over the worst, and things are getting back to normal. cbs news senior foreign correspondent elizabeth palmer reports. >> reporter: margaret, now that the worst is over and
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there's no sign so far, anyway, of a second wave of infection, china declared a national day of mourning. nationwide, people stopped wherever they were and joined president xi, and the party leadership, to remember what china says was 3,333 victims. that now sounds shockingly low compared to more than 30,000 deaths in europe alone. in spain, a pop-up hospital in madrid's conference center has 1,000 acutely ill patients. the country has the second-largest number of cases in the world, after the united states, but at last, some good news. prime minister sanchez announced the peak is almost over. and in italy, too, the rates of infection and death have flattened. grateful shoppers in rome were back at a local street market this weekend after one of the strictest lockdowns anywhere.
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by con, in mump of te developing world, including brazil, the death toll is mounting fast. there, president bolsonaro tweeted, "coronavirus is just a little flu," which so infuriated rio citizens they beat pots and pans on their balconies to protest his lack of leadership. here in the u.k., there is still limited freedom of movement. evidence suggests the infection will peak next weekend. prime minister bor boris johnson, himself still sick with covid-19, begged people to continue to follow the rules. >> please, please, stick with the guidance now. >> reporter: to yards apart and heed the police. one british institution did go ahead this weekend, the grand national horse race. but virtually. britons could bet on these computer-generated horses.
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all the proceeds went to health care. in a few hours, queen elizabeth is going to make a rare special address to the nation, just the fifth time she's done that in almost 70 years on the throne. it's to unify the country and to thank people for everything they've done in this time of extraordinary hardship. margaret. >> brennan: elizabeth palmer, thank you. we turn now to dr. anthony fauci, the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at n.i.h. dr. fauci, thank you for what you're doing, and thank you for making time for us. >> good to be with you, margaret. >> brennan: we heard from the president that there will be a lot of death in the coming weeks. dr. birx said it's not the time to go to the grocery store or the pharmacy. what should americans be preparing for? >> well, this is going to be a bad week, margaret, unfortunately. if you look at the projection of the curves, of the kinetics of
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the curve. we're going to continue to see an escalation. also, we should hope that within a week, may be a little bit more, we'll start to see a flattening out of the curve and coming down. the mitigation that we're talking about that you just mentioned is absolutely key to the success of that. so on the one hand, things are going to get bad, and we need to be prepared for that. it is going to be shocking to some. it certainly is-- is really disturbing to see that.buat'st'o so just buckle down, continue to mitigate, continue to do the physical separation, because we've got to get through this week that's coming up, because it is going to be a bad week. >> brennan: are you saying, doctor, despite the deaths that we may see, that mitigation is working, and that you do have this outbreak under control? >> i will not say we have it under control, margaret. that would be a false statement. we are struggling to get it under control, and that's the
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issue that's at hand right now. the thing that's important is that what you see is increases in new cases, which then start to flatten out. but the end result of that you don't see for days, if not weeks, down the pike. because as the cases go down, then you get less hospitalization, less intensive care, and less death. so even though you're getting a really improvement in that the number of new cases are starting to flatten, the deaths will lag by, you know, one or two weeks or more. so we need to be prepared that even though it's clear that mitigation is working, we're still going to see that tail-off of deaths. so the first thing we want to look for is to see on a daily basis are the numberfew cases starting to stabilize? we've seen that in italyst med t correctly. we're going to hopefully be seeing that in new york very soon. and that's the first sign of
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that plateau in coming down. >> brennan: so when governor cuomo says new york is not yet at the apex, what does that actually mean? and what happens on the other side of that apex? >> yeah, what the governor is saying is that we are still going to see an increase. the curves that we show at the conferences, often, is the epidemic curve goes up, it hits the top a bit, and then it starts coming down. so what governor cuomo was saying is we haven't yet reached that peak, and when we do, we'll see a flattening and am canning down. where we are right now is really approaching that apex, and that's why what he's saying and what we're saying is that this next week is going to look bad because we're still not yet at that apex. days, or nine d so, we hopefully are going to see that turn around. >> brennan: you have flagged that you see this virus now sprelgd in the developing world, and communities where people
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don't really have the luxuries that we have of working at home. what does that mean for the risk of reinfection here in the united states? >> well, you bring up a very good point, margaret. unless we get this globally under control, there's a very good chance that it will assume a seasonal nature in the sense that even if we-- and i hope it's not just "if" but "when--" we get it down to a point where it is at a very low level, we need to be prepared, that since it unlikely will be completely eradicated from the planet, as we get into the nexll see te bea resurgence. that's the reason why we're pushing so hard in getting our preparedness much better than it was, but importantly, pushing on a vaccine, and doing clinical trials for therapeutics interventions, so that, hopefully, if in fact we do see that resurgence, we will have
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interventions that we did not have in the beginning of the situation that we're in right now. >> brennan: so you said yesterday that there are three things you think this country needs to have in place before some of these restrictions are pulled back: the ability to test, to isolate, and to do contact tracing. how close are we to meeting those requirements you laid out? >> we're not 100% there yet. but the people who are responsible for getting these tests out there, it's very clear that we are much, much better off than we were in the sense that in the next week or two, we'll have an extraordinary amount more capability of doing the kinds of testing that's essential. because testing is not only important to be able to identify individual cases, icealate them in contact tracing, but we really do need to get a feel for what the pen trance of this infection is in society.
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that becomes critical when you plan to start to get back to normal, or at least take those first steps to getting back to normal. you have to know what's out there. you have to know what you're dealing with. so testing becomes even more important than what we've been speaking about in the past. >> brennan: do you wear a mask when you're not on television? >> well, you know, my life is-- is pretty different. i-- i stay six feet away from anybody that i can. if i go out, which i really don't do very much because of my life as it is now, margaret-- i would and do, if you go to a tuatere you don't control over that six-foot distance, that you wear a mask. in fact, my wife just went out to get us some food for the morning, and she doesn't wear a mask in the house or when we go out and run. but when she gets into a situation, as i woupowe thcontrt
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, ldecomoing what the c.d.c riately and correctly said, it's an adjunct. it's an additional way to help protect you and to have you help protect others. >> brennan: doctor, what would you tell our viewers who live in south carolina, arkansas, wyoming, south dakota, iowa, nebraska, north dakota, utah-- the eight states that do not have stay-at-home orders-- what does that do to the white house models of projected deaths? are they putting the rest of the country at risk? >> well, it isn't that they're putting the rest of the country at risk as much as they're putting themselves at risk. so every time i get to that podium in the white house briefing room, margaret, i always essentially plead witpltt those very simple guidelines of physical separation. they're very, very clear. they're multiteledifferent ways that same all teame--phys saratt
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away10 anacon, like movies and sports events and theaters and things like that. even in areas where you're not having a big explosion of cases, to the best of your ability, do that. because this virus doesn't discriminate whether you're in a small town in a relatively secluded area of the country, versus whether you're in a big city. and sooner or later, you're going to see a surge of cases. so i would urge people to please take a look at that. >> brennan: very quickly, is hydroxychloroquine preventive against this virus? yes or no? >> you know, as i've said many times, margaret, the data are really just, at best, suggestive. there have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there's no eff brennokay ks.sink in tf
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sinus pressure, and congestion. spepped of this global economic contraction is unlike anything we've ever experienced, and it that makes it very difficult to project out what the slow-down will mean. this week, there were more than 6.5 million new unemployment claims filed by now-jobless americans. combined with over three million last week, that means nearly 10 million americans have lost jobs in less than a month. we turn now to james bullard, president and c.e.o. of the federal reserve bank of st. louis, one of 12 banks that make up the federal reserve system. he joins us from st. louis. good to have you with us. >> pleasure to be here. >> brennan: you and your team have predicted that 47 million americans could lose their jobs,
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bringing the jobless rate above 30%. it sound like you're saying the job market is in free-fall. where do you see this happening? what americans, whatduss? h, wd push th economy or the job market being in free-fall. we're asking people to stay home to invest in national health, and we're asking them to use the unemployment insurance program in order to get the transfers they need to be able to pay bills while they're at home, while they're not able to work because health authorities are trying to get the virus under control. our estimates, which are available on our blog, st. louis fed, on the economy blog, suggests the unemployment rate could go 10% and 42%. the 32% number is a compromise in the middle. >> brennan: that's what i'm asking you about. i mean, there's this idea, when i speak to business leaders in
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particular, that some of those jobs are going to come back, that these are temporary furloughs, that there will be, somehow, a switch that will flip on and the economy will come back roaring. isn't that a little bit of projection of a perfect scenario here? >> well, i think it can be done. whether it will be done depends on execution. i thought congress did a great thing in passing their bill. i thought it was appropriately sized for this situation. the object is to keep everybody whole during the period when you're asking people to not go to their jobs and not go to the shops and basically not participate in the economy. >> brennan: right. >> so in some ways, the uptake on the unemployment insurance program is a good thing because it means you're getting the transfers to the people being disrupted by this health-ordered
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shutdown. >> brennan: but when you talk about transfers, you know, we saw one of the emergency prgrams launched by the government, this $350 billion package to help small businesses, supposed to be up and operational this week, but that's not actually happening, according to some of the biggest banks like citi. they're not even accepting applications right now. what is the real-world impact of delays like that? because the money is needed now. >> it sure is. and we're in the middle of a national crisis, so you would expect some chaos, but we talked to the s.b.a., the small business administration, on friday. they actually oridge in any in i potentiathat program to be nnanat abouthe size of this rescue package? the president said as recently
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as yesterday that he thinks there may need to be more money offered to small businesses than what has already been authorized by congress. do you think we need a fourth rescue package? >> i felt like this one was well sized for the situation. i think most of the impact is going to come in the second quarter here, which just started a few days ago. if you think about the u.s. economy in very round numbers, we produce about $5 trillion worth of goods and services, and, hence, $5 trillion worth of income every quarter. the shutdown means we're onlo py workers working from home. surely, that's less than 50% of the total economy. so income is going to be down 50%. if you said that's 2.5 trillion, that sounds like about the number that congress came up
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with here. so in that sense,ening you've got the right amount of resources. the challenge is how are you going to get that to the right people that really have been disrupted? and that's the execution thrask we have here. but in principle, this is an understandable situation. we do not want people to go back to the basketball games. we do not want people to get on planes while people-- while this disease is ravaging the economy. so we want them to bably to pay bills, keep people whole during this crisis, and then we'll come out on the other side. there's nothing wrong with the economy itself. the economy was actually doing quite well going into thisnnn: t has that assumption, also built into it, consumer psychology, that people will feel safe enough to do the things that they did before. do you think that this global economy is going to look the same on the other side of this pandemic? are those jobs actually going to exist for people to go back to? >> you know, i have good news
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for you, margaret. there is a solution using available technology today to fix the economic part of this problem. the solution is universal testing. what you want is every single person to get tested every day, and then they would wear a badge, like they would after they voted or something like that, to show that they've been tested. this would immediately sort out who has been infected and who hasn't been infected. that would help the health care sector. but it would also help the economy, because we could interact with each other with confidence. >> brennan: we will talk about that surveillance pu jst referenced there ahead. stay with us. more "face the nation." ♪ ♪ ♪
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at the drive-thru, on the mobile app, and with delivery. "face the nation." michael dowling is the president and c.e. oth welalth, the in new york state. he joins us this morning from long island. thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much. pleasure to be here. >> brennan: i know in addition to your day job, governor cuomo also asked you to help increase hospital capacity across the state. this morning, the defense secretary said that about 1,000 military medical professionals will be sent to new york today and tomorrow. does that solve the problem? is new york poised for this apex now? >> yes, i think we are. we're as prepared as we can possibly be. obviously, if another resource comes in from the federal government, that is great. as long as it is a resource that
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can help us. we have had a situation in new york where we've had federal assistance with the "comfort" ship on the west side of manhattan, and the javitz center and up to this point they haven't been able to ntbecause e criteria they use for admission to the facility. to the extent they arrive here, to the extent they can be helpful, obviously, it is all great. we welcome all help, and we appreciate the offers, and if it all works, i think we will all be better off for it. >> brennan: is staffing the chief issue right now? >> well, staffing is always an issue, because we've been in this now for a couple of weeks, and the intensive care staff, the physicians on the front lines, we have-- we have to use staff over and over. we have to put staff on all the time. we are getting staffing from around the united states. we're getting staff from upstate new york. so fiending capacity is one thing. you can create the beds. that's the easiest part because you can create an i.c.u. bed
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pretty much any place. we have plenty of beds. the issue becomes each and every day making sure you have the right staff with the right skill levels to make sure you can take care of the patients in the optimum way you want to take care of them. so, yes, staff is always an issue. but we are-- we're well prepared at the moment. and we will be well prepared, no matter when that apex comes, whether it's this week or next week. we will be prepared. >> brennan: there was a memo from northwell, from your company, published by politico, outlining guidance to medical staff, basically to help triage and decide who gets a ventilator and who gets to stay on one. are we close to that point oha t point at all. we have sufficient ventilators for the foreseeable future, and we are obviously getting more supply. and governor cuomo has been a major, major quarterback in that
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effort. the policy that you reference is a draft policy. it is something that we like to prepare for the inevitability, in case we ever have to do something in the future, you have to have a policy prepared well in advance. i don't think we will ever get to that point. but it would be foolish to wait until you have a disaster and th to develop the policy during the situation. so this is all preparation. it's just a draft. it's not happening. we hope it never happens, but if it does, we are prepared. >> brennan: understood. if a party has to go on a ventilator, what is the chance of survival? what are you seeing? >> well, what we're seeing-- and i think it's across all areas, all facilities-- that if you go on a ventilator, there is about a 20% chance that you will survive. we have had, obviously, patients survive off ventilators, but it's about a 20% chance. and as you know, people are on ventilators a long period of time.
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but we've had successes. and the other thing i would just like to mention here because i think the p public can get not always the right information. we have had lots of people discharged from the hospital successfully after they have been treene,h and eveent for the covid virus, actually go home. that is success. that's what we've got to also be talking about and thinking about and celebrating. that's the good news. and i think good news is what everybody needs right now. >> brennan: what are you telling your hospital workers, the doctors and nurses, who work at all of your facilities? do you have enough protective equipment for them? d wht'smazing heenoughottive eq. times of crisis like this, people's character reveals itself. you see extraordinary work being done by doctors and nurses.
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you see hospitals being retrofitted to put beds where beds never before existed. you see sadness among employees when things don't go well, but you see joy and celebration when there are successes. we are seeing, in many ways, the best of humanity. i'm out meeting with the physicians and meeting with the staff on the front lines, and i can tell you that we should sit back and say how fortunate we have to havepl commitment, that compassion, that courage to do what it is they're doing each and every day to protect the rest of us. we are very lucky with the health care system that we have. we are very, very, very fortunate. we should never forget about it. so when this is all over and when you can get close to people, eventually when social distancing is over with, for everybody out there, if youially a nurse and doctor on the front lines, please give them a hug. don't do it today. do it later because these-- >> brennan: we'll clap. we will clap for now, as
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dr. fauci recommended. thank you, mike. mike dowling there of northwell health. and we go to connecticut and former f.d.a. commissioner scott gottlieb. thank you for joining us again. >> thanks. >> brenna: you just heard the descriptions there from hospitals on the front lines up in new york. dr. fauci was pretty direct. he said it's not going to be an easy week. do you believe that as he says, mitigation is working? >> mitigation is clearly working. we're seeing cases slow in the northeast and the northern states. the sun belt is going to be in for a tough week. we're going to see cases in the i th the ew york ciy health syill be brought rigont go over. they're increasing capacity, really a historic effort, and i don't think they're going to run out of ventilators. they're converting existing devices into ventilators and i think they'll keep pace with it. it's a historic effort under way
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in new york right now, and we should make no mistake what they're doing to keep pace with the increased demand. the demand will likely peak in the next week or two, so we'll see a severe strain on the new york city health care system at the same time that the cases in the south start to accelerate. >> brennan: what are some of the lessons of what we're seeing in new york right now? we're hearing-- and i know you have been tweeting about-- some of the unusual things, younger patients being hospitalized at alarming rates in new york, in particular. why is that happening? >> right. well, woo don't understand. i mean, this infection is not just an infection causing severe outcomes in olderrer americans as was originally put forward. a the loof young people are having bad outcomes, intubated in the i.c.u.wno comorbidities. there are pregnant women intubated and in hospitals right now. we need to understand that. there has been no serious publication by the c.d.c. of the collective clinical experience in the united states right now. so doctors are making decisions
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based on anecdote and their own experience. really no excuse for that. we need to get literatureut to inform what is working and what is not. you heard 70% to 80% of people who get intubated succumb to their infections. doctors are experimenting with more fluids. they're experimenting with high-flow oxygen. they're experimenting by putting patients in the prone position, meaning laying them on their stomachs when intubated. we should have literature published by the c.d.c. to delineate what is working and what is not so doctors have take a more systematic, data-driven approach to these things. >> brennan: tell me about the timeline. the president says we should be able as a country to hold mass gatherings like the republican national committee in august. is that too aggressive a timeline for you? >> i think things are going to be permanently changed coming out of this until we get to a vaccine and can fully vanquish this.
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we're not going to see a v-shaped recovery or quick snap-back absent the ability to get a highly effective drug in the hands of doctors to mitigate the risks, either used as a prophylactic or treat people who get the virus and are likely at high risk of a bad outcome. we can have that kind of drug by the summer, and certainly by the fall. i don't see the kind of deliberate, industrial, all-hands-on-deck approach to get that therapeutic. there are things promising that can be brought forward more quickly. this is going to be an 80% economy. people are not going to crowd into conferences. the marginal customer is not going back to movie theaters and cruises and disneyland, and we need to accept that. what changes that equation is technology but we need a deliberate approach to getting that technology quickly. >> brennan: you mentioned technology. the fed president from st. louis mentioned technology. dr. fauci has mentioned technology and surveillance. specifically, what does that look like? the united states of america and
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how far are we from getting that? >> well, the massive surveillance system that we need to detect inecckly we'reo wel have the tools to do that. we'll be able to identify cases when there are small outbreaks in the fall and case-based interventions, isolating people with the infection and their close contacts. we also need a drug used as a preventive tool, a prophylactic as a privilege to a vaccine or a treatment for people likely to have a bad outcome. there are four or five drugs i would say are in advanced stages that could be available by the summer. we need to try to pull them through more quickly. this is a time for placing bets. this is a time for an industrial approach to this. it's not happening right now. i think it needs to happen. there's still time but we need to recognize how important that is. otherwise, the scenarios of this country just snapping back and being something more than 80% economy just aren't going to come to fruition. and we need to prepare for what it looks like when when you have a slower econed in the fl
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nnan: i th sayere the science is not supportive of the economic theory that this is just going to be a sharp return to what was normal. >> not unless we have the kind of breakthrough that we should be able to obtain. like i said, one of these drugs should work. the strategy that looks the most promising are the antibodiy-based drugs where you basically develop an antibodiy to target the viruses. there is every reason to believe this strategy should work. it's worked in other settings of viruses. we need to start pulling those through more quickly. there are a couple of antiviraln that look effective and maybe used early in the course of the disease will be effective. nothing is a home run here. we don't need a home run. we need a better toolbox a good medicine cabinet, coupled with very aggressive surveillance. that could be enough to really change the contours of the risk in the fall and allow people to feel comfortable going back out again. >> brennan: all right,
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dr. gottlieb, always good to talk to you. >> thanks a lot. >> brennan: when we come back, a look at the devastating financial impact on some of our viewers who are small business owners themselves. stay with us. what i love most about being a scientist at 3m is that i'm part of a community of problem solvers. we make ideas grow. from an everyday solution... to one that can take on a bigger challenge. we are solving problems that improve lives. brushing only reaches 25% of your mouth.ake on a bigger challenge. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath.
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♪ ♪ without more stimulus help and another bill, all of our favorite small businesses in our cities and towns might be lost forever. >> my business is a part of the gig economy, which means that we work large and small events, such as basketball games, football games, or concerts. so as long as people are not allowed to gather together, we have no prospect of making money. >> i've had people that years, u know, like, these are my kids. like, i feel responsibility towards them, like i do my own children. >> these kids aren't sitting on savings accounts.
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like, these are hourly workers. they're tipped workers. >> as a parent, to not know how to help your children through something like this... it's... it's a heartbreaking, you know. i don't know how t >> brennan: those are just three stories from business owners who are facing some real financial uncertainty due to the coronavirus crisis. to help us put the experience inside context, we bring in cbs analyst jill schlesinger who joins us from long island. jill, you just heard some painful, personal experiences. and we know, even if you're not one of the 10 million americans who just lost their job, this was tough. how should people at home be preparing? >> i think this is one of those back-to-basics moments. you know, you hear these stories. i hear them all the time now,d . so what do you do with this
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information? you look at your own personal financial situation. you start priortizing your bills well in advance of anything bad happening. the consumer financial really goodbureau actually has a site, consumerfinance.gov. and you prioritize. obviously you put your food first, and then you go to your shelter, you go to your insurances. and if you have lost your job and you feel thwarted by your state's unemployment insurance platform, keep trying, and also know if you've lost your health insurance coverage, the affordable care act actually allows you a special enrollment period if you've had a loss of income and a loss of a job. so you should absolutely check those things out. and be sure to know that if you ask landlords and utility companies for forbearance or aae most likely going to give that to you. dont hide. check out what you need to do, and ask for help where you need it. >> brennan: but for some of
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the small businesses that we've heard from, they are trying to ask for help, and they can't, actually, do it because the applications aren't up and functioning at a lot of the banks that will be lending out the money as part of this government program. what are you hearing about whether the money set aside was enough and if this is going to get going soon? >> well, i think that that frustration on friday was pretty dramatic. i must have gotten 100 different screenshots from people who had frustrations trying to apply, where the banks themselves were simply saying, "we don't have enough information from the government." then throughout the day it seemed to get a little bit better. i would say if you're a small business, be very careful. go through the programs that are available on the s.bweb frf is thi gh? my fear is that the way the program is set up is essentially for companies to be able to g ployeack on their payrolls, and they may not
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be up and running in two or three months. we got data out, or a poll out, rather, from the chamber of commerce, and when they polled a number of small-business owners, 24% said they're going to be out of business within two months. diswrb. >> brennan: wow. >> so we've got to get the money faster to these people. theyneed help. >> brennan: does the economy look the same on the other side of this crisis? >> i have been interviewing economists for the last, say, six weeks, and the views have really changed pretty dramatically from week to week. i don't think we will have an economy that is the same when we come out of this. you heard dr. gottlieb talk about an 80% economy. you've heard different people say that there's going to be winners and losers out of this. what i know in my heart, and i think what most us are experiencing, is this is a once-in-a-generation kind of recession. it is going to be worse than the great recession. we are going to come out of
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this. but we are very clear in this: this economy and all of us will be changed forever. >> brennan: jill, thank you for your insight. >> sure. >> brennan: and we have more of those stories from business owners on our web site at facethenation.com. we have this programming note for you: scott pelley reports tonight on "60 minutes" how restaurants and other small businesses are being impacted, and how they're trying to help out others. scott spoke with new york restaurateur and the founder of shake shack, danny myer, tonight on "60 minutes." bubbles at this price? is this for real? oh... it's real. believe me. i mean, this is unexpected. you would say, remarkable?
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my response can impact how public funding is spent in my community. that could mean education for little man- -and a closer bus stop for her. (relieved, loving) hey. hey. shape your future. start here. complete the census at 2020census.gov. >> brennan: isolation, stress, uncertainty are just a few of the mental health challenges affecting the country during this crisis. dr. luana marques is the president of the anxiety and depression association of america. she also teaches at harvard and practices at massachusetts geeral hospital in boston. that's where she joins us from this morning. doctor, it is really hard to think of any kind of comparative event to what we are going through right now. the president has said he expects massive drug use, massive depression, massive numbers of suicide, disease.
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as a medical professional, is that the mental health impact that you're seeing? >> margaret, it's really difficult for a lot of my patients, and certainly the mental health of the country in general. i think before we even talk about the magnitude, it's important for us to first remind our country that it is okay not to be okay right now. it's important to remind our country that it's okay to have strong emotions. this is why: as we turn on the news every morning and we're hearing stories of death, of loss of economy, of grief and sadness, we quickly start to feel our heart pounding and feel the sense of tension, anxiety, and fear. and that is our normal fight-or-flight response, our biologically adaptive response in moments of tension. we just heard the president and dr. fauci talk about the next
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week being a very difficult week. so the first thing i want to talk about before we even get to the magnitude of this, is to remind our fellow americans, all of us might have some of this adaptive response, and that's okay. it just, up to a point, eventually it does become too much. >> brennan: so what are you telling people to do about that? >> there are three things that i think are really important for us to do, margaret. the first one is to remember that we are under a state of fight or flight, and we need to do anything to cool off our brain. the three ways you can do right now if you're sitting at home. the first one is to remember to unplug and to anchor. and what i mean here is give your brawn a break from the news a little bit. allow your brain to settle. and i know it's hard to do it right now. by unplugging you're bringing down the fight or flight. and i encourage you to anchor on something to cool your brain off-- walking, meditation, call
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a friend. the second thing i urge all of us to do-- and this is not optional-- is to charge up. is to be able to eat, sleep, and exercise. those three things are things we know help our mental health but also help your immune system. figure out what you're going to do, how you're going to do it, and why you're going to do it. gets you going. for me i've been walking and exercising because it's important for me to stay healthy for my family and for my patients. finally, i urge us to be of service. we know that helping others not only makes them feel better but also ourselves. so let's call an elderly neighbor. if you can afford it, send food to those that actually need it. or, if you're sitting at home and you know how to sew, let's sew masks and help those that need it right now. >> brennan: what about those who don't have the luxury of staying home, the medical workers, in particular? how do you counsel them to continue going back in and
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helping people when they themselves may be in distress? >> so some of the techniques i mentioned are important for them. you're absolutely right, margaret. they're really suffering. i did a webinar at harvard medical school this week for first responders. and i heard questions like, "what do i do if i'm about to have a meltdown in the emergency room? how do i cool off my brain after an 18-hour shift?" and that's not unique to the harvard community. we are seeing this globally. new research coming out from china shows the front-line responders are reporting 50% more depression, 40% more anxiety, and 35% are reporting difficulty sleeping. so i'm going to urge them to really figure out how to cool off their brain. one of the suggestions i gave to a friend who is a doctor is if you are in the emergency room and you're rushing around and you're about to go from room "a" to "b," take a moment to breathe, just 30 seconds. you can cool off your brain.
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turn your phone off for a little bit. transition, "i'm going home without listening to the news am." and rely on your fellow first responders. they are your social support, and they are here for you. as mental health professionals, we are also here for you. >> brennan: all right, doctor, thank you for your advice. and for all of you who are at home and might be feeling overwhelmed with emotions, like depression and anxiety, you can visit adaa.org for information on coping strategies. you can call the disaster you can call the disaster distress help line at 1-800-985-5990. we use verizon throughout our entire day. it's an integral part of how our practice runs. we need our project managers and our superintendents to be able to communicate. we don't have to be together to work together. (vo) at verizon, we're here, and we're ready. we're open 24/7 online with tools and support
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