good morning. welcome to mosaic. i am ron swisher. is always a pleasure to cohost here. i want to mention two boroughs. we started in 1972. i was the pastor of a church. he was the pasture of a different church.

>> he was the president of the clergy. father j masters who we just lost not long ago was the president. we were mentored by the great senior and all that he did. junior i met later. i had the privilege of marrying junior and his wife, elaine. they were reminded of that last year at the 100th anniversary of the temple. 40 some years. then i moved that yoouldhear dr. jackiejaie will in fairfield and i came to the good friday services at beaver memorial. i don't remember what word she preached that she did leave some paint on the sanctuary but it was a electrifying a

message. today, we are honored to have the senior pastor of allen temple baptist church, the first woman senior pastor -- reverend dr. jaclyn thompson. >> thank you for coming. brothers to brother and the reverend charlotte williams and reverend longer had to make contact. i knew you all over the world. >> they made it and i am here. >> i'm glad you're here. tell us about your calling. it is phenomenal to have you as a pastor. >> okay. the calling to ministry. i am the daughter of a pastor. my father pastored at el for 4years.

i grew up a church girl. i went through the things that girls go through, what things you are experiencing in life and things happening in the world and i began seeking a deeper relationship with god. i started teaching and realized that my desire to go into law on politics was not enough. they needed a transformation that was deeper than anything external. the only thing i could apart to them was what had sustained me and that was my faith. it was my understanding of who god was and the message of hope. i sang in the choir. legally you're not supposed to say things or have bible study in public school so we did character work. through that process the lord

began to speak to me about proclaiming to larger audiences. to my surprise, i did realize that pastor senior had been watching me. i had this burden and i had gone to the bishop hopeful to the evening service and he preached about people running from the gospel. every time he said jonah i heard jackie. he said if anyone senses a call come to the offer. i don't remember walking up or getting up but i was at the altar and i said yes to that sums of god that i had. the rest is kind of history. he said we have been waiting for you. i preach a sermon and that was 25 years ago this year. august 19. >> i preached my trial sermon later that year. then i immediately went to the

school of ministry. >> how exciting. >> that is are opening segment and that will keep us interested the entire time. we will come back in just a few minutes.

you have heard dr. thompson and you had to be excited about her call to ministry. tell us more about what that has been like for you. >> it has been a joy. i was raised in appleton. i came there when i was 12 years old looking for church. i was just sick of going to church. that was during the era where you went to church all day. there is sunday school, the morning service, the 3 o'clock service and you came back for 6 o'clock service and i was not making the connection why this was g d what importt for me to have a not so relationship with god. we traveled and toward and we

landed up in the balcony. this short man with a goofy voice got up and he preached matthew 28. at 12 years old i understood. the sermon was about the relevance of our faith in god and we were supposed to do something, not just sit there in celebration. i joined. i was raised at allen temple. pastoring there has been surreal. it was my life coming full circle. i feel blessed for the opportunity to give back. >> i think the transition process was a bit testy. i think people were surprised by that because allen has always been a supporter of women in ministry. people are challenged by the idea of authority an anything b

people have been loving and kind. we are still in the honeymoon stage. we'll see if we get the seven year itch. >> it is still a mega church. >> our membership are about 2800. >> people are moving out and that is still good number. >> yes. many churches are struggling for attendance. >> one time we came and you were at love center. >> yes. their pastor had gone. they were asking pastors in the city to come and support and encourage people. he was a new pastor. they had been inviting me and i had not been able to do it but that sunday he left and knowing how important that was i went

to address the people. >> we actually just had a trip to a black history concert this past sunday. >> that's right. we heard your great message, preserved for a purpose. >> that was the closing sermon format black history month to remind people that out of everything we have been through and the success we have experienced that god has kept us for reason, not just for us to live in our classes but that we have been blessed so we can be a blessing to other people. we need to bring another generation with us. we were kept this far for a purpose >> to have the speakers like you did, that was a great idea. >> yes. for me, black history month can become pigeonholed. we focus on the known

superstars. all the names we have heard before. we were people before we were enslaved. we have career opportunities and we need to lift up that history. it was important to me to make the connection and we also have preaching. are fromhose oni b i talked about preaching the paint off the second sanctuary. what is your methodology and approach? >> here is the secret. i am one of a few who made it through seminary and didn't take a preaching class. i started preaching my first year. the dean, i preached at his

mother-in-law's church. she sent him the tape and when i got back to dc he said i heard you have been around the country preaching and you don't need class. he signed me out of it. i think by preaching style had developed over the years and i start with what is one take away i want people to leave with that i built the sermon from there. for me it's about transformation. transformation of understanding and behavior. i start with a purpose and i lifted up people. >> yes. in his book, he lifts up a behavioral purpose statement. what you want to be different as a result of the engagement. i have taken that as the message of the analogy i come from. >> yet said you have biblical scholarship combined with girlfriend wit. >> yes.

>> well, i am from east oakland and i am still down to earth and i think sometimes in churches we lose a generation because we can't speak to their current day. so girlfriend wit means i can identify with people where they are. it's not a heavy approach to the gospel and words that people can understand but administer like jesus who live the life and make the gospel relative. he knew that doing judaism was not going to work the way he learned it. his parables are my girlfriends. >> i like that. >> we love coming. you see me there. >> wonderful.

we're going to have to rope you into somethings. you have 27 years of wisdom. >> i love receiving right now. >> i understand. >> okay. we are going to take another break and we went to here more. >> okay. >> please join us. communities are starting to feel

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welcome back to mosaic. >> you talk about howard. >> yes. >> you did a lot of work in to see. >> i did. i left here and i studied under greats. it really was a renaissance time for theological education. i served on staff as the main minister. i

built that program and model up to scale. that i became nationally recognized and shifted because dc was not the dc we know today. there were needs in the community. i wrote a grant for teen mothers and became the minister for their outreach program. >> you are call to preaching and teaching came to prevail. >> yes. >> where did you get your:what? >> in pasadena. it was african-american leadership. >> so that is where you can bind the emphasis on the roots and what you are doing in the community as well. >> yes. and the transformational role in the turk church.

we need to transform to reach another generation. many young people are and site institution, any institution. the reality is that faith in institutions have brought us this far as a people. have to figure out how to make them relevant to the next generation coming behind us. >> do you think about running for office. >> that was my desire before ministry. it's not somethinink abounow bu to it. i think even now my influence is probably greater in this capacity than in political office. you never can say never when you are called. >> a presidents or was mayor of richmond. i was push to move in that direction but i decide i can only do one

some pastors though are very good at it. >> i know. i'm enjoying this because it gives me the opportunity to correct the things that i think are wrong. when you function in office you lose your ability to do that. so right now, i am comfortable with it remaining the voice that says have you considered this? have you considered that? their people being left behind. >> all right. my mentor was paul cobb. he is still around. >> yes. he is full of rich history as well. >> yes, he is. >> he is able to needs hi publishing's in the post. >> yes.

i'm glad to hear that background. you continue to atu d? >> yes. a part of worship. >> 'ta paledthe purposeyenot for t job.ver ends., again, when god you to it, i wanted a specific call. once i was confirmed that god was calling me as a pastor i said yes. >> this past sunday you went from 8 am l abpm? haepe.buit wa

that is true, even in ministry, you have to find what you love. >> what is your staff like? >> i have a multi-staff church. we have 60 lay ministers and staff ministers. we're going to be building out more staff in the future. >> you didn't baptize? >> i did not. >> it was deacons and clergy. when you have a large staff you want to give them opportunities to be able to exercise their gifts. that preserves you as well. i didn't want to preach and baptize as well. it gives them opportunity. the same thing with communion. a lot of associates lead with that. >> what about funerals, weddings

? >> yes. they are all divided. >> i do some and then some i divide with the staff. >> i was concerned when i saw all of that. >> i have great help. i stand on the legacy to provide opportunities for others. we are continuing that way. >> it sounds like you have great leadership skills. when it comes to having that large staff, it is seeming like you can manage it very well. >> i inherited good people. my role is to take them to the next generation and bring another generation along. >> okay. is there is anything we left out, let's covered in the next segment. >> please join us.

in this last segment we want to look at the entire ministry again. we celebrated a 100 anniversary. tell us about what that was like. >> it was amazing. it was an opportunity for the congregation to reflect where god had brought them from and for us to celebrate leadership.

so we were able to dedicate that . we celebrated the retirement of some of the best preachers in the nation. they were all profits in their own right. we celebrated a wonderful gala at the rotunda. it was an amazing time. it reenergized the congregation and gave them a reason to reflect. >> we have a good number of local people. when i joined many people lived in the neighborhood. now the neighborhood is predominantly hispanic. >> right. people are commuting. there is tremendous ministry

going on. my friend and colleague reverend jenkins, he is doing great work and they have to commute but they stay there and do great things. >> what would you give as advice for pastors in urban centers. what is the best way to galvanize ministry? >> the best way no matter where you are is around mission and relationship. the people of allen temple are committed to their mission and one another. it is not just coming in on sunday morning first celebration. it is feeding the homeless and trafficking and activities for outreach.

we speak out on behalf of those who are voiceless. the people committed to that, there is no difference they won't drive to maintain that. they have maintained relationships with one another. they have been at each other's weddings and raised each other's children. if you can build ministry cultivating relationship among members and carry that out to work in the community, i think you will have success. and remember success is not a size, it is an impact. >> okay. if we keep that in mind i think we will find success. >> the smiths left a great success. >> thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me. >> i am glad we got a hold of you. you are a blessing. i apia thank you jog us. and in.

we are blessed for living. it's not just when we die. this ministry is for life full and abundant and complete now. thank you for being with us. god bless you. >>

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