ning s bcbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington. this week on "face the nation," moving on to may is proving to be even more challenging as the emotional dilemma between personal and economic well-being intensifies. with restrictions on americans and businesses across the country easing by the day, the trump administration says there are positive signs in the battle against the coronavirus. >> president trump: the testing and the masks and all of the things which solves every problem, we've achieved it quickly. >> brennan: and there are some bright spots with treating the virus. the f.d.a. gave emergency authorization for the drug

intervenesly for intiitalized patients. launn d manufacture a vaccine for covid-19. but are we flattening the curve? some experts say with the books closed on april, we haven't seen the effective results from the stay-at-home orders, at one point in place for 90% of the country. with new predictions of the virus lasting for some time, perhaps as two years, are we moving too fast too soon? we'll talk to the governor of illinois, j.b. head ofr. gilead science will join us. and we'll look at the fallout as the number of jobless americans jumped to more than 30 million. we'll talk with rafs raphael

bostic, and the c.e.o. of american airlines. all that and more is just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> brennan: welcome to "face the nation." as we turn the page to a new month, americans continue to struggle emotionally, financially, and with just trying to plan ahead. in most cases, there are few clear answers to our many questions. we will continue to seek them for you. our coverage begins today with cbs news stma a >>orter:n america's covid siege, askasks brasion were morph into rage. they argued, our oxygen-starved economy

neats a ventilator. with 30 million jobs lost, millions of people are running low on something, food, toilet paper, patience, and especially money. you'll probably notice more stores reopen. 38 states have already eased restrictions, and six more will follow suit tomorrow and tuesday. >> if we hear minimal reports of knuckle-head behavior at our parks and we see the metrics that we need to meet, then we know that you all have taken to heart your responsibility. >> reporter: another concern: food shortages. across the country, widespread covid infections have closed 22 meat and pulltry poultry plants. at least 279 workers have been infected in maryland. >> any disruption or interruption to processing at our poultry processing plants could lead to significant national supply chain issues. >> reporter: most health

experts worry about a shortage of covid testing. a harvard study concluded the country needs five million tests a day by early june to reopen safely. and maryland and colorado plan to hide their p.p.e. from the federal government. >> a global fre free-for-all. we're worried about them cutting them off at the manufacturer. >> reporter: but there is no hiding a looming financial crisis for dozens of states. record job losses have drained their unemployment trust funds. massachusetts, ohio, and west virginia all have enough to pay four weeks of benefits. four other states have two weeks. and more than 40% of americans live in states with less than sixsedo m around the country will open tomorrow. georgia has lead the charge nationally to reopen, but on friday new

covid infections jumped again. the state reported a thousand new cases in 24 hours. margaret? >> brennan: mark, thanks. china claims that the coronavirus outbreak began in an animal market in wuhan. the u.s. intelligence community is investigating that theory and the possibility it was accidentally released from a lab. either way, u.s.-china relations are at a new low. elizabeth palmer reports on covid hotspots ashed the world -- around the world. >> reporter: china was dees trst to approach most eff tocorol a cid oe. into locot mas, this may weekenlooks pretty normal. even retail shops are open. south korea acted fast, too, and now says it has

the outbreak under control. there is still social distancing, here at an exam for job applicants, but with just a handful of new cases every day, koreans are, at last, relaxing. at the other extreme, there is brazil. these are fresh graves in sao paulo. with a rampant outbreak, limited testing, and a president, who when confronted with the numbers said, so, what do you want me to do? in europe, rules are easing, but at different speeds. spaniards gratefully took to the streets after 48 days indoors, but only exercise. adults in the morning; kids in the afternoon. austria has opened up more widely. shops anp and running. poland is due to reopen its borders today, but care homes are strictly locked down, though this one in warsaw went the

extra mile to arrange safe visits. europeans can now see the light at the end of the covid tunnel. even in lockdown, they are finding ways to party. this is a drive-in disco in germany. and here is the finished polk group celebrating international dance day in isolation. here in the u.k., prime minister boris johnson's fiancee had a new baby last week. but he is not taking any maternity leave. instead, he is hard at work on a plan tograduay reopenn britain. margaret? >> brennan: thank you. we go to chicago illinois and governor j.b. pritzker. he extended the stay-at-home order until the end of may. good morning to you, governor. >> governor: good morning. >> brennan: why is the number of hospitalizations in your state still

increasing? >> governor: well, it is increasing barely, it's true. we're not through this yet, there is no doubt. and we've been looking to see those numbers flatten. we are seeing them flatten now. my great concern at this point is that we make sure we have our contact tracing up and running. we have increased testing significantly. so we are getting ready for a point where we can begin to reopen the economy. >> brennan: but there is some pressure on you. you had the mayor of chicago say that residents aren't abiding by these calls to stay at home. you've had protests in chicago, in southern illinois as well. is the politics of this complicating things for you? >> governor: not at all. i'm not thinking about the politics. i'm thinking about saving lives and keeping people healthy in our state. the fact is that there are millions of people in the state of illinois who have been following our stay-at-home rule, and they are the ones who have

bent this curve for us. there are true there are outliers, the mayor and i have talked about the challenge of people wanting to break the rules. but those of real outliers. there were only a few hundred protestors, and they're attacking what we're trying to do, we still trying to keep them healthy as we are the 12.2 million illinoisers across the state. >> brennan: you heard a clip, and he said the country is on the medical aspect side of this, improving. and that the federal government rose to the challenge. did you federal government rise to the challenge and meet your state's needs? >> governor: well, it's the governors who have risen to the challenge. i talk to my fellow governors, republicans and democrats, and we've shared ideas with one another about how to keep people safe. we've gotten some guidance

from the c.d.c. that has been helpful, but much of what came out of the white house for many weeks was not helpful. we needed the white house to help us get swabs and v.p. m., and reagents, and that hasn't much happened. recently we got a call from the white house telling us in may they're sending us 600,000 swabs, and i'm very grateful for that, but we've increased testing significantly. we're among the top 10 states in america, and we're number two for testing. we've got to get our contract tracing up and going, and then, as i say, we can reopen our economy as we see our hospitalizations begin to wane. >> brennan: do you agree with kushner when she says the biggest thing holding testing back is the state's ability to collect more samples. >> governor: maybe a week ago the white house said we have all of the

capacity we need. they're right in the sense there are plenty of machines that exist in the state of illinois, but there weren't enough swabs, v.t.m. and reagent, and there still aren't. but the white house is helping, and i appreciate that -- >> brennan: but is it enough? >> governor: it is not enough. but as a state, we're having to go out in the evrket and compete with swabs and v.t.m.and reagents. i wish the white house stepped up earlier, and i think they still have an opportunity to do so when it comes to reagents, but the fact is i believe we'll overcome this. i believe by mid-summer we'll be able to do tens of thousands more tests. and in may we'll be able to do more than we are today. >> brennan: governor, i know you and other governors have said they will need more federal aid because of this crisis. before tsis, illinois had one of the

worst pension problems in the country by yourns were underfunded by $129 billion in 2019. citing numbers like this, republicans have characterized any emergency help now as essentially a bailout, of poor management. the president slammed you this week in a preser as well. preser -- presser as well. should they attach restrictions that restrict how you spend it? >> let's point out that all 50 states are suffering from a failure of revenues to come in over the last couple of months, and coronavirus has caused that. all of us are having to spend more on social services and health care to take care of people. and as far as illinois goes, we balanced the budget this year. we were on our way to a balanced budget for next soll we've asked for,ther 49 states, too, as far as i know, is just help to

replace those revenues that we all lost as a result of this invisible killer. >> brennan: do you think you'll get the money? and will there be strings attached? >> governor: i don't know if there will be strings attached. it is different in every state where they need to put the dollars. putting more strings on it makes it much more difficult for us to move forward to get our economies going. illinois has one of the most important economies in the world, not to mention in the nation. so the federal government is really the only entity that can step in and help us out. >> brennan: we'll be watching that. governor, good luck to you. ernor: thank you. >>nn t to dr. scott gottlieb who joins us from westport, connecticut. good morning to you. >> doctor: good morning. >> brennan: the federal social-distancing guidelines dissolved this week. but you tweeted tha you

saw some worrisome signalings. what is the direction of the direction of the epidemic? >> doctor: when you look across the country, it is a mixed bag. certainly cases are falling in new york city, and new york is driving a lot of national statistics because it was such a large outbreak, around the nation hospitalizations and new cases continue to rise. there are about 20 states where we see arriving number of news cases, illinois, texas, maryland, virginia, north carolina, tennessee, have a lot of new cases on a daily basis. while mitigations didn't fail, but i think it didn't work as we expected. w morning, dr. deborah birx was on another network, and she said our projections were always we would see between 100,000

and 240,000 american lives to the. the president said it is probably 60,000 americans lost. are these white house numbers reliable at all? >> doctor: well, the white house was looking at the model out of washington state. that showed at the high end, 250,000 deaths and a base case of 100,000. it has come down since then to about 70,000. it is starting to creep back up when you look at the updates of that model. we have to look out to what is going to happen by the end of june. we could have large outbreaks or it could become quiet. it is probably the case 000 deat nationally. i t looking at the prospect this may be a persistent spread. the doubling time has come down, the amount of days it takes for the epidemic to double in size is about

25 days, but we may be facing the prospect that 20,000, 30,000 new cases a day diagnosed becomes a new normal, and a thousand or more deaths becomes the new normal. we're seeing for about 30 days now, 30,000 cases a day and 2,000 deaths a day. if you factor in we're probably diagnosing one in 10 infections, those 30,000 cases are really 300,000 cases. >> brennan: persistent spread is what you called it. so if we're going back to reopening business and life in america, what does that look like? you had airlines this week issue new guidelines. they're asking people to wear masks, giving them to them when they board. if someone has asthma, if someone has diabetes, something that makes them vulnerable, is it safe for them to get on a plane when there is persistent spread? >> doctor: this may be the new normal. we need to know what that is going to look like. it may be a case where

people who have existent disabilities, they need to look at it. maybe the summer is a backstop to spread, but we see this persistent 20,000 cases a day, maybe 30,000, and we see a persistent% 1,000 or more deaths a day, that's through the summer. what happens when we come back in the fall, and schools are back in session, residential college campuses, people are letting their guard down a little more, and people are back at work after an august recess, and you can see this slow simmer explode into a new epidemic or a large outbreak. that's the concern, if you don't snuff this out, it can ignite at any time. >> brennan: you've been g, el, that hasn't been addressed. and you talked about this drug, remdesivir, is that one of the tools in the tool box that you say will exist in the fall that could make this better?

>> doctor: that's right. i think the more that we see persistent infection, the more we're dependent on a technological change to be a reflection point. remdesivir is an affective drug. it will help some patients, especially when used early, to reduce hospitalizations and deaths. and there is an antibody drug that could be available by the fall. and vaccines may be available by the fall, while we continue to study them to make sure they are safe and affective. the more the government accepts the fact there is going to be persistent spread and they want to open the economy, the more they better be doubling down on the technology to make sure we get those drugs in time for the fall. >> brennan: yod there may be a vaccine by the fall. the trump administration has set january as their goal for 300 million doses. do you think it will be ready before that? >> doctor: i think what we're going to have in the

fall is hopefully multiple manufacturers that have cleared early-stage safety trials that can be deployed in large scale studies inside cities. you would deploy the vaccine in a city to both test whether it is safe and affective, and you're continuing to study it, and you're using it therapeutically to rein in an outbreak. i know companies are designing trials to engage in that kind of deployment of vaccines. what we need is more than one manufacturer to be successful. we need multiple manufacturers to have vaccines ready to deploy in time for the fall. >> brennan: you know, the country's too largest known coronavirus clusters are in prisons in ohio. nursing homes and meat processing plants. there is a school of thought that says because they're highly concentrated, somehow they're more manageable. what do you make of that

argument? >> doctor: it is true -- it might not be more manageable, but it is more vulnerable. certain kind of institutional settings where people can't hts. it is not just the shop floors and warehouses and workers who are vulnerable to infection because of the way they work, that is certainly part of the story. but it is people who come from communities where they have to take mass transit, they don't have access to good health care to begin with and can't get access to testing, those communities are very vulnerable. and the data now supports that. we're seeing pockets of intense spread in these kinds of settings and communities, and we should be pouring resources in to help those people. >> brennan: dr. gottlieb, thanks, as always, for your insight. >> doctor: thanks a lot. >> brennan: "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us.

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>>nnanthisgnarng. shaves about four days off the recovery time for someone hospitalized with the coronavirus, according to the study. how quickly will the drug get to those people who need it? >> well, you know, i think i speak on behalf of all of us at gilead, we are grateful and really humbled that everything has moved so quickly. it has only been three months since the first case was diagnosed in the emergency use authorization that was provided this last friday. that's thanks to a lot of patients and care-givers. we are firmly focused on getting this medicine to the most urgent patients around the country here in the united states. and, margaret, we intend to get that to patients in the early part of this next, beginning to work with the government, which

will determine which cities are must vulnerable and where the patients are that need this medicine. >> brennan: i think that is important. you're saying you donated some of this drug to the federal government, and you will work with the federal government to decide where the drug goes? or is that up to the federal government to , margaret, we have donated the entire supply we have within our supply chain. we did that because we acknowledge and recognize the human suffering, the human need here. and we wanted to make sure that nothing gets in the way of this getting to patients. what we will do is provide that donation to the u.s. government, and they will determine, based upon things like i.c.u. beds, where the course of the epidemic is in the united states -- they will begin shipping tens of thousands of treatment courses out early this week and be adjusting that as the epidemic shifts and evolves in different parts and different cities here in the united states. >> brennan: okay. we have more to talk about with you, but i have to take a quick break here. so stay with us, and stay

with us with us, all of you, as well, please. more with daniel o'day in a moment. you anour ates saf ♪

>> derek: with all of the new focus on the tragedy of covid, you would never know it but election day is six months from today.

>> brennan: we'll be right back with more from daniel o'day, and ahead we'll talk with the head of the federal reserve, raphael bostic, and gary kelley, chairman of and airlines, will join us.

>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we want to pick up where we left off, with daniel o'day, the head of gilead sciences, which produces the drug remdesivir, which was just given emergency use authorization. i want to pick up on this, you said the supply of 1.5 million doses of remdesivir has been dotoovernment. what, 150,000 patients, or so? >> right, margaret. we've donated the entirety of our supply, around 1.5 million vials, and that turns into around 100,000 to 200,000 treatment courses, depending on whether it is a five-day or a 10-day

process. it will be made available to patients here in america and the united states, and across the world as other regulatory decisions are made for those countries. >> brennan: this drug is clearly going to be in first sort of promising development we have had. you were at the white house. has the trump administration talked to you about using the defense production act to mandate that you prioritize the u.s. market over foreign markets? >> let me say something on the supply and demand. i'm so proud to work with the scientists at gilead that quickly moved and mobilized themselves in january, long before we knew whether the medicine would be available, to increase the supply. this is a long supply process. a 12 12 months, and it now takes six months. and we'll have significantly more supply in the second half of this year to serve the suffering and the human nitis needs out there. we've been working wr very

closely with the u.s. government and other governments around the world. i believe we're aligning with the u.s. government to serve the patients here in the united states, and to make sure as a global company based in the united states that c serve other countries around the world. we've had very good dialogues with the government thunder is and that s going well. >> brennan: so they haven't talked to you about mandating the u.s. you can export it? >> yes. we have been exporting it. and our collaboration with the government has been as such. we have a good relationship. >> brennan: this drug you have to get through an ilv.i.v. does this ever become a pill that someone can take at home? >> yes. this is given by i.v. through a five-day or

10-day treatment course. but our scientists have been working since earlier this year to say, are there other ways we could deliver this medicine? potentially, as dr. gottlieb mentioned, to earlier patients. we're looking at other formulations, formulations that could be given outside hospital settings, and possibly an inhaled version. this medicine is not suitable for oral administration because of the way it is metabolized. but there are ways we are looking to get it to earlier patients and patients outside the hospital. we'll certainly keep you up to speat on that. >> brennan: all right. we will be watching. thank you very much. well, the trump administration predicts a significant comeback for the economy by the end of the year. but last week federal reserve chairman jay powell was blunt. >> it is extraordinarily

uncertain. everyone is suffering here, but i think those who are least able to bear it are the ones who are, you know, losing their jobs. >> brennan: chairman powell also urged the trump administration and congress to take more emergency action. and he announced a loan program for medium-sized companies to help keep them running. we turn to the head of one of the 12 banks that make up the federal reserve system, raphael bostic, who is in atlanta this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. >> bennan: we just heard that very bleak assessment in some ways from the federal reserve chair. 30 million americans have filed for unemployment clms. are we headed for a depression? >> well, when i think about this question, i think the first thing to be mindful of is that the federal reserve is acting boldly and decisively to try to provide support for

markets all across this counry. look, we knew coming out of this public health crisis that the response was going to do damage to the economy. and that was required if we were going to get to the other side. what we tried to do is really provide support to give people a bridge from that pre-virus situation to the post-virus situation. let me say in terms of the numbers, i think we knew that the jobless numbers were going to be bad for march. they're going to be tough again this friday. but i think the real question, the thing i'm focusing on, how much of these job losses are going to be permanent, as opposed to those that are going to be temporary losses. >> brennan: and what is the answer to that question? >> well, a lot of the responses that we've been doing have been aimed to try to provide support and relief. and what i would tell you is right now it is too soon to tell. the paycheck protection program, that money is just getting into the system. the economic impact payments, those are just

getting into the hands of families and households. what we're going to do over the next week and several weeks is continue our outreach. call businesses, talk to people, and really try to find out if the relief that has been offered is sufficient or whether they need. and if there are pockets that are missing, and if there are, we'll talk to policy-maker to make sure they're aware of it. >> brennan: the actions that the fed has taken are pretty unprecedented. in terms of things you're finishing a warning about, i know you personally last month said that the month of may could be make or break it fory businesses. it is not just about cash anymore. does that mean you're predicting a large number of bankruptcies in the weeks to come? >> no, it d that at all. let me just provide some context. we know for many businesses and many families, they don't have six, seven, eight months of savings. they may only have one or two months of savings. which means we're getting

about to the time when those savings are going to be depleted. this is why so many of the actions that have been taken are so important, getting relief to families. what we're trying to do is understand to what extent is that relief providing a service and keeping people away from though bankruptcies. it is not in our interest for those bankruptcy to happen. that will mean much more of this is permanent than temporary. we're going to do all we can to make sure that doesn't happen. >> brennan: you monitor closely what is happening in the american south. states like florida and georgia are reopening. what do these initial days and weeks indicate to you? just because consumers can go out, does it mean they're actually going out and spending? >> well, we've talked to a lot of folks, a lot of consumers and a lot of businesses. what we're hearing is that many are actual e gh of thou they're how they're appg

this. one of the things that is very important is that the virus is presenting itself differently in different places. we know that african-americans are being hit much harder by this. the response of how we reopen the economy has got to be thoughtful. what i've been encouraged by is many businesses that had the option are choosing not to do that. we've talked to a number of leaders of important and small businesses who say we're going to keep doing our restaurant cur-side delivery and keep during aur social distancing to try to make sure as we open up with don't do it in a way that adversely impacts the populationpopulation and leads o another spike in terms of infection. >> brennan: the fed chair was clear he was watching what is happening in the housing market. what level of risk is there that we're facing a financial or banking crisis in the monsd?

>> i was crisis, when there was a housing crisis. fortunately, this is not that right now. >> brennan: but could it be in the months ahead? is that what this warning is that you're watching closely the mortgage servicers -- is that what you're saying? >> i'm saying we're going to do what it takes to make sure that doesn't happen. we know where there is stress points and tensions, and if we see those tensions start to get to a higher level, we're going to encourage policy-makers across the nation to do that. one other thing i would say is that the banking sector coming into this crisis is much stronger than it was in 2007 and 2008. there is much more capital. we've taken a lot of steps to make sure that banks do have the resources available, so they are not in that insolvsolvency space. we're going to make sure

they have what they need in ways that reduces the tension and allows families to forebear for even longer than they can right now. >> brennan: one of the things the fed did this week is said it would buy more debt of local governments to help them out, as we've been hearing from governors and local leaders, they're under a lot of financial stress right now. but the fed chair also said it is basically not -- the fed's job is to lend money not to spend money. he pointed right at congress and said, it's up to you to do something at this point. what is it that the states need in terms of relief, from you're point of view, from what you're seeing? >> first i would say, the federal reserve, we stand ready to act as much as we yan within the limits of righe have limits in the system of how much support we can offer. i think it is an open question of how much more is going to be needed.

we're going to continue as we engage with governments and helping them with their financing, to understand the depms of thadepths ofthat need and help m understand how much extra support might be necessary. we're going to do what we can, what we're legally allowed to do, as much as we can, and then take information and get that to policy-makers so they can decide the next step. >> brennan: thank you very much. we'll be right back with gary kelley, the head of southwest airlines. and we're helping our customers practice social distancing in stores. we've implemented shorter hours, while also restocking our products. but if anything, these days have reminds why we do what we do.

>> brennan: the airlines are just one of the many industries hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic. with the number of air travelers plummetting 96%, half the u.s. fleet of planes is grounded, and the planes that are taking off are nearly empty, averaging 17 passengers per domestic flight. congress has given the industry $50 billion in financing, either at loans or grants. despite that assistance, the four biggest carriers

reported massive first quarter losses last week. one of those airlines is southwest air. gary kelly is the company's chairman and c.e.o. and he joins us from dallas. good morning to you. >> hi, margaret. >> brennan: is it safe to fly again? >> it is. we're doing everything possible to encourage people to come back and fly. we're cleaning airplanes. we're requiring masks of our employees and our costumers. we're using very deep cleanings every night. we're using electrostatic misters which will kill the viruses on surfaces for up to 30 days. we're exercising social distancing, and on board the aircraft, we won't be booking airplanes full so people can spread out. we're doing everything we humanly possible. >> brennan: and you stopped things like food service and the like. i mean, those sound like

good measures, but, you know, we had a guest on our program last week, barry diller, and he said it is absurd if you do things li like remove the middle seat. you still have a confined space, you still have a shared bathroom, you still have people walking down the aisle, going to their seat walking past you. how much risk is there? what do you think the measures you are doing will offset everything else? >> i don't think the risk on an airplane is any greater risk than anywhere else. you look at the layered approach that we use, it's as safe as any environment you're going to find. we're using hospital-quality disinfectants, hepa air filters to make sure that the air is properly filtered and clean. we're not going to remove middle seats, but at the same time, we won't book the airplanes fu

so if you choose, all the middle seats can be open. >> brennan: i know you said at one point what you're going through now is worse than after 9/11, which is extraordinary. but, i mean, is the bottom line here that cheap travel is over for americans for the future, that the business is just completely changing, and that the future is uncertain? >> well, sure, the future is uncertain. but right now we're at a low point. and so i just don't think it is right to ask trap extrapoe into perpetuity. after 9/11, herb kelliher was famous for saying we all low-fare carriers for now because that is what it is going to take to get people flying. i think we're very well-prepared for that.

we have a great business model and a low-cost structure. but we're going to have to fight our way through this. and obviously i'm anxious to see how the travel demand develops here in the summer. >> brennan: it's picking up? >> well --, yeah, i think we've seen the bottom here. each week after the first week of april has gotten successively better. i don't think june will be a good month, but hopefully it will be a bit better than may. we're looking forward to july and august. we'll just have to see. there are bookings in place, but those could it tly be canceled. $3lion inederalt aid. do you expect to take more? >> you know, the first thing is to really thank congress, the

administration, secretary mnuchin and secretary chow because what was needed for our country was a lot of liquidity. the cares act is exactly what we needed to avoid a really serious depression. we applied for another government loan. i don't know that we'll take it. i think what the government has done for us with this cares act is it really has opened up the capital markets. a month ago we couldn't have borrowed money, and we couldn't raise equity, and we were able to raise $6 billion last week. i think we have what we need to see our way through. we have until september to make that decision. >> brennan: and we know, because of the first round you took, you can't layoff anyone until after september 30th. that was part of the cares act provision. you recently told employees if business doesn't pick up by july, you'll become a

dramatically smaller airline. what does that mean? are you laying the ground work for job cuts? >> well, i think you summarized it well with your comments, the planes are virtually empty. and we've got -- at southwest alone, we've got close to 400 airplanes that are marketed. parked. the demand is just not there. obviously if things don't improve, we have to down size. we've never had a furlough in our history or a pay cut in our history, and we certainly don't want to break that record. what i have promised our people is i don't know what the future holds, but i do know we're very well-prepared. the very last thing we'll do is have an involuntary furlough. we'll do our best to avoid those kinds of results. >> brennan: thank you very much for your time. back in a moment.

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former aide's accusation that he sexually assaulted her in 1993. >> in every case, the truth is what matters. in this case, the truth is these claims are falls. >> joe biden on saturday denied accusations of sexual assault. his accuser, tara reid, worked for him for nine months in 1993. last year she was among several women who accounted what they called inappropriate tawchg by touchiny biden. unde my buber his hands underneath my skirt. he was trying to kiss me, and i was pulling away. >> reporter: reid supported bernie sanders and began speaking out again as biden was on the virge of securing the nomination. cbs news has spoken multiple times with reid and we have requested an on-camera interview. some of her acquaintances,

former colleagues, and her brother tell cbs news they recall her mentioning the alleged biden episode inthe 199s of her brother's account have differed with other news outlets. others have said they never heard about reid's allegations while working for him. and attorney bill nedlus tells cbs news that this investigation never turned up allegations of sexual misconduct. >> brennan: and ed o'keefe joins us. it is good to see you and to talk about politics again. stions, but -- opens up a and it's important to investigate these kind of allegations. politically, if president trump faces accusations from more than 20 individuals about sexual harassment and abuse, does

it hurt biden if it didn't hurt trump? is there a political cost? >> a lot of this is going to boil down to whether or not there are any records of a complaint that reid says she made to a senate personnel office back in the 1990s about general harassment complaints. the republicans are making the argument if it was a big deal for donamp and for brett kavanaugh, shouldn't it be a big deal for joe biden's presidential prospects. trump won the white house and kavanagh got concerned. we'll see if it matters for biden. >> brennan: i want to ask you about some of our cbs news polling. biden is ahead of president trump by six pointspoints 49% since 43%. he is pledged to name a female running mate.

we asked who democratic voters would like to see on the ticket. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren is the top choice at 36%. followed by california senator kamala harris at 19%. and stacey abrams at 14%, and senator amy klobuchar comes in at 13%. it is interesting, but when it comes to the guy at the top of the ticket, biden himself, what does this indicate? why is trump behind him? >> he has always been either pretty much tied or very close to bidenn head-to-head matchups. and he is known nationally. part of the issue is the economy. he wanted to run on a strong economy. he can't do that anymore. and if the economy continues to crash, it will be difficult for him to continue making that argument. >> brennan: it is difficult to campaign period these days. president trump tweeted: "hopefully our country

will soon mend. we're missing our wonderful rallies." >> a new poll out this morning says that voters say they're seeing the president too much. just 11% saying they're seeing the president enough. and while biden has been holed up in his basement, voters say they would like to see more of him. 47% say they would like to see him more often. perhaps the good news for both of these men, they like to campaign, and overwhelming 84% of voters say just because they're not out there doing rallies, it won't affect their final decision. it's okay, stay home. >> brennan: there is nothing typica year, this race, this moment, and i know, ed, you'll be watching it closely for us.

>> brennan: that's it for us today. thank you all for watching. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan. captioning sor b media group at wgbh cess.worg advertisement for herman law.

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