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captioning sponsored by cbs >> this week on "face the nation." , the pain and anger following the death of george floyd ignites in a firestorm of violence. tens of thousands have protested in at least 75 u.s. cities coast to coast in the weeks since george floyd's death, following a knee on neck hold by a minneapolis police officer. the shocking videotape in what some say is a slow response to charging those involved have made racial tensions in an already divided country even worse. what began as peaceful
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demonstrations turned violent this weekend and grew in size and intensity. but america's inability to heal its racial divisions added to the combustible midst of tense covid-19 lockdowns. it is making a dark period in america even bleaker. conflict between washington and local governments is adding to frustrations. >> president trump: my administration will stop mob violence. and we'll stop it cold. >> this is not a protest. this is not in the spirit of martin luther king, jr. this is chaos. >> brennan: we'll have reports from the mayors of st. paul, minnesota, and in atlanta, keisha bottom. one officer has been
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charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter, but what about the other three? and then we'll take a look at the staggering numbers of covid-19, as well as how reopening is going in the u.s. with former f.d.a. commissioner scott gottlieb. timely, a blast of hope in these troubled times as america is back in the space race in an old frontier with a new mission. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> brennan: welcome to "face the nation." america is in crisis. last sunday we could not have imagined any story being of greater importance than the then rapidly-approaching milestone of 100,000 americans lost to coronavirus. but then a 46-year-old african-american male named george floyd died, after a knee to neck hold was performed by one of
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four minneapolis police officers. that incident sparked violence that this country has not seen in decades. at least four people have been killed. more than 1,600 people in 22 cities have been arrested, and 15 states, plus the district of columbia, have deployed the national guard. minneapolis, st. paul, saw its fifth straight night of violence. we begin there this morning with homeland security correspondent jeff pegues. jeff? >> reporter: margaret, with some demonstrators torching buildings like this furniture store, state officials told us on saturday they believed they were up against a sophisticated network of urban warfare. there were some flareups overnight, but police may have been able to turn the corner as they tried to regain control of city blocks. overnight police in minneapolis marched down city streets in an effort to prevent protests from
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getting out of control. they fired tear gas and rubber bullets after demonstrators violated an 8:00 curfew. it looks like law enforcement has begun the process of trying to clear tis street. what we're hearing over the last minute or so, some loud crowds, and so you see the crowd starting to react, starting to move back. you see the smoke in the distance. what started in minneapolis spread to other cities. in new york, police arrested more than 100 people as a result of violence during protests there. in los angeles, the mayor requested about 700 national guard troops to help keep the peace. philadelphia's police department reported that at least 13 reporters were injured. indianapolis police are investigating multiple shootings during violent protests in which at least one person was killed. the violence coursing through some of the protests across the
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country may have a common thread: investigators believe elements of left and right extremist organizations are trying to highlight peaceful%-pmarches. >> far left extremist groups, using antifa-like tactics, many of whom travel from outside the state to promote the violence. >> reporter: since this cell phone video surfaced on monday, the nation has been on edge. it shows officer chauvin with his knee on the suspect's neck. investigators would later determine that chauvin's knee was pressed into floyd's neck for eight minutes and 56 seconds. the four officers involved were fired. chauvin was arrested on friday. investigators say they are still looking into the
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other three officers involved, the people who knew george floyd described him as a gentle giant who would never have resisted arrest. in this instagram video, he encouraged young people to give up violence. >> our young generation is clearly lost, man. >> reporter: derek chauvin will be arraigned amidst tight security. in the meantime it will take residents years to rebuild what burned in just about five days. >> brennan: jeff, thank you and stay safe. there was a second night of violence here in the nation's capital, just outside the white house. we go now to nicole kilian. >> the nation's capital set ablaze as demonstrators took to the street for a second night ner the white house. police at times using tear gas to break up the protests. the searing images confronted president trump following a trip to the
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kennedy space center. he said he un understood by protestors. >> president trump: and we hear their pleas, but what we're now seeing on the streets of our cities has nothing to do with justice or with this. >> reporter: the president blamed the violence on antifa and radical groups and vowed to stop it. cbs news has learned the idea of the present giving a national speech on the current unrest has been raised, but whether it is an address from the oval office or a white house podium, the president will continue to communicate with the american people. margaret? >> brennan: thank you. we turn now to the mayor of st. paul, minnesota, melvin carter. good morning to you. >> good morning, thank you for having me on. >> brennan: mr. mayor, the white house says that antifa, a far left extremist group, has been
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infiltrating american cities. is that who is instigating the violence you're seeing? >> thank you for having me on. we're seeing an enormous amount of rage and frustration and anger on the ground. much of that is totally understandable as the gruesome images of mr. george floyd's murder has created a ground swell in our community of anger and frustration. our concern is that it seems very clear that while some of our folks are out there in the streets just crying out to be heard, that they believe that george floyd should still be alive, four of those officers should be held accountable for their action, and we have soul-searching work to do as a nation to stop this pattern from happening over and over and over again. there also seems to be people in those crowds who are very intense on sparking violence, on breaking windows, on starting fires, and on trying to convince those folks to engage in unlawful behavior. we're hearing very clearly
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from many of our historic advocates, the folks who are on the front lines aft philando castile was killed, not only do they not know the folks who are right there inciting violence, but they're seeing people jump out of those crowds to break a window, and then run back in behind those crowds, and it is very concerning for me. >> brennan: do you have any idea who those instigators are? >> we're working to get to the bottom of that right now. our law enforcement and police departments and state enforcement officers are working hard to get to the bottom of exactly who that is, and what agenda is behind that. the focus for us has been on our curfew, to make sure we're able to separate the folks who are here specifically to start trouble from those who need to be heard. and the most disturbing, disgusting piece about all of this is the fact that, one, these folks are
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drowning out the voices that we need to be hearing. we need to be having a conversation right now about how we stop this from happening. we need to be having a conversation right now about how traumatic it is to our community to see george floyd killed in the gruesome way that he was, how critical it is that we change the culture of policing for one once and for all in our country. those who are expressing that anger in a disgusting way are taking the focus away from what it should be, while destroying our community institutions. >> brennan: i want to ask you about that in the case of george floyd. according to the a.p., minnesota city records show there were 17 complaints that have been filed against the now former officer who is charged with having murdered george floyd. 16 complaints were closed with no discipline. how is that permitted to happen? >> that's, i think, one of the most important
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questions here. right here, we're totally understanding the anger and the rage that people have. our call today, and moving forward into the future, is for peace, but not to be mistaken with patience. we cannot be patient. we cannot sit back and patiently wait while these things change on a slow and incremental basis. the fact you just pointed out says we have a lot more work to do on not just how we hire officers, but how we allow chiefs to fire officers, when we see across the country officers who are under investigation, officers who are proven to have acted in ways that do not beset all badges. my father is a former st. paul police officer, and so i've heard all my life how important it is to lift up that badge and not tarnish its reputation. so what we've seen when officers fall far below
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our expectations, it's happened in st. paul, in minnesota, across the country, and the police chiefs who try to remove those offices end up being forced to pull them back on the force through arbitration. our request for young folks is to take this energy which has consumed our nation this past week, it is a fire that could destroy us but could bring us together in a way that we've never been together -- use it not to destroy our neighborhood, but to tear down those laws, to tear down those police-union contracts that make it so difficult to hold officers accountable for their actions. >> brennan: all right. mayor, thank you and good luck. next up is benjamin crump, the attorney representing the family of george floyd. they is in jacksonville, florida. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. >> brennan: before we get to the specifics of this case, i want to ask
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you about what is happening on the ground in minnesota. you said friday that the protests should keep going. at this point, is what has happened overshadowed the purpose of these protests? >> margaret, i'm not a politician. i'm the voice for equal justice for marginalized people in our society. and i proclaim that these riots that are erupting in cities all across america are an outward sign of righteous anger that americans, especially black americans, are feeling over the death of george floyd. but not just george floyd. he is just the latest tipping point in a string of killings of unarmed black people at the hands of -- or should i say, in
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his case the knee of the police. and many elected officials have to understand that it is not these protestors that started these fires across america. it is police brutality and a racist criminal justice system. and the only thing that can put out these fires are police accountability and equal justice. the floyd family, nor i, agree with violence. just like dr. king, we don't try to justify it. >> brennan: understood. >> but we know what is happening is coming from people being unheard far too long. and they're just tired. and they are saying, we are americans, too. we want equal justice. we want the constitution. we don't want to be policed and then everybody else protected and served. we, too, are americans. that's what you're hearing and seeing all across america. >> brennan: understood. let me ask you about george floyd and this
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particular case. the officer, derek chauvin, was charged with manslaughter in the second degree, and murder in the third. the implication is that he didn't intend to kill george floyd. do you have evidence that this was premeditated? >> well, certainly based on everything that has been presented to us, i've talked with his family ad nauseum, because you can imagine after seeing the police have their knee on his neck not for one minute or two minutes or three minutes, but over eight minutes while george pleaded, i can't breathe, i can't breathe, a call for his mother. we now have the audio from the police bodycam, and we hear where one officer says, he doesn't have a pulse. maybe we should turn him on his side.
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but yet officer chauvin said, no, we're going to keep him in this position. that's intent, margaret. also the fact that officer chauvin kept his knee on his neck for almost three minutes after he was unconscious. >> brennan: did the two know each other? >> we don't understand how that is not first-degree murder. we don't understand how all of these officers have not been arrested. and, yes, his family has been notified by the owner of a club that derek chauvin was an off-duty police officer while george floyd was a security guard. so they had to overlap. and so that is going to be an interesting aspect to this case, and hopefully upgrading these charges to first-degree murder because we believe he knew who george floyd was. >> brennan: so you do believe this was
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premeditated? >> we think he had intent based on not the one-minute, two-minute, but over eight minutes, almost nine minutes, he kept his knee in a man's neck that was begging and pleading for breath. at what point does it not be about detaining a man who is face down, with handcuffs, not posing any threat, to an intentional will to cause bodily harm? and if that results in death, every prosecutor in america will show that that is first-degree murder. and i have to clarify this because we saw it in eric gardener, when they started talking about underlying health conditions and what drugs he had in his system. george floyd died because of the knee being shoved into his neck, and he could not breathe. >> brennan: understood.
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thank you very much, mr. crump. we'll be back in one minute with the atlanta mayor, keisha lance bottoms. stay with us. we've implemented shorter hours, so we can sanitize our stores from top to bottom while also restocking our products. but if anything, these days have reminded us why we do what we do. because despite everything that's changed, one thing hasn't, and that's our devotion to you and our communities. we're working together, in-store and online, through pickup and delivery, to make sure you can still get the essentials you need. and as we move forward, know that our first priority will always be to keep you and our associates safe. ♪
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>> brennan: we go now to the mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms. good morning to you. >> mayor: good morning. >> brennan: the national guard is now in atlanta. has that quelled the violence that we saw friday night when the cnn center was attacked? >> mayor: last night was not as bad as friday night. i think there were several rasons for that. one, many people just decided to heed my advice and stay home. also, there were many more -- mt than we had for our officers last night, with the national guard. and we also had a curfew last night, a 9:00 p.m. curfew, and so that helped tremendously. >> brennan: i want to ask about something your police chief said at a press conference yesterday about some of the more
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violent actors that we saw on friday. she said they were part of a highly calculated terrorist organization. who are the groups that you think are behind this? incorporate yo>> mayor: you knoi can't say who they are. i know it is a very different protest that we're used to having in atlanta. obviously, we're the home of the civil rights movement, so we have a long history of protests in our city. but our organizers in atlanta, many of whom don't agree with me quite often as mayor, were very clear that this, by and large, after things turned violent, was not an atlanta-based protest. it looked differently, racially, in our city than our normal protests look. and it was just -- it was a different group. so we don't know who they were. but many of them were not locally based, i'll say that. >> brennan: but when the
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justice department, when the attorney-general spoke, he said something about radical left. do you have any indication of organized groups who are plotting in your city? >> mayor: no, i don't. i don't. >> brennan: okay. the president has issued a series of tweets in the past few days, as i'm sure you know, and he has said that liberal governors and mayors much get much tougher or the federal government will step in and do what has to be done, and that includes using the unlimited power of our military and many arrests. have you heard from the white house? do you know what they're asking you to do? >> mayor: no, i don't know. and this is so reminiscent of charlottesville, and president trump just made it worse. there are times you should just stop, and this is one of those times. he is making it worse. this is not about using military force. this is about where we are
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in america. we are beyond a tipping point in this country. and his rhetoric only in flames that. and he should just sometimes stop talking. >> brennan: in george, you recently saw the killing of the 25-year-old black man who was shot by two white men. you called it on camera lirching. the justice department is investigating it as a civil rights crime. do you have faith that the justice department will see this through? >> i don't have faith in this justice department, but i do have faith in america as a whole. so it is my hope that between the justice department, between the state of georgia, there will be appropriate charges that will be
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brought, that will be prosecuted, and there will be a conviction. >> brennan: you don't have faith in the justice department. what is your message then to the people of atlanta, who also don't have faith, who are also very frustrated and want to go out still and protest? since there has been this eruption of violence, should they still be on the streets? >> mayor: well, i think there is a place in america for peaceful protests. we know peaceful protests have had a history of changing things in this country. but it has to be organized, and it has to be for a purpose. and when you have violent eruptions, like we've seen across america, then we lose sight of even what we're talking about. yesterday all we talked about was how our cities were erupting across america. but we weren't even talking about george floyd and so many others who have been killed in this country. and so that's my concern about what happens when we
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get lost in the violence. we've got to be more organized in the same way we were during the civil rights movement and many other challenges that we've faced in this country. i understand the frustration. the frustration is real and the anger is warranted. but the violent eruptions won't offer us any solutions right now. >> brennan: mayor bottoms, thank you for your time. good luck to you. >> mayor: thank you. >> brennan: we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us. feel the cool rush of new claritin cool mint chewables.
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♪ >> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we want to go now to leslie lowery, cbs news correspondent, which features six minute episodes. he was formally at the "washington post" as the lead reporter covering police shootings and the black lives matter movement. he won the pulitzer for his work. wes, you are forb mid formidabl. >> happy to be here, but none of us would like be to talking about this
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right now. >> brennan: i know you've been on the phone and speaking to some of the activists who are in the cities and streets around the country. what are they telling you? >> you know, we're in this moment right now where all of us are asking of any political stripe, even those who are not explicitly partisan or political, how do we stop what is happening in the streets? no one wants to live in a world where the streets are burning. no one wants to live in a world where people are killed in the streets. what the activists are saying is, you all haven't been listening to us. you listen to the protest chants. one that is very popular during these demonstrations, historically, indict, con convict, send a killer cop to jail. the whole system is guilty as hell. the activists have been saying that the foundation is fundamentally broken, and you've been giving us
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speeches in a bodycam. where one officer who might beat the charges, and many officers that get fired get their jobs back. there are is the belief that many officers in minneapolis may get their jobs back. what the activists are saying is, you have not been listening to us. this was in so many ways inevitable. again, the protest chance: if we don't get no justice, there will be no peace. >> brennan: but this is not the first case. this is one of i innumerable cases of police brutality in the past decades. what exploded it now? is it where we're at with the economic crisis, with the pandemic? why? >> i think all of those things are obvious,
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extremely short-term factors. and it isn't helpful. by the way, black americans, those who are storming the streets, black americans who started this, who were more likely to get sick and die because of covid, right, so the demographic group most likely to have spent two months without human contact, in fear of their lives, that certainly factors in. the demographic group, the data tells us, was among the most likely to lose their businesses and jobs because of the economic downturn. but we can't just attribute to the short-term. think about the era we're in. every time we open our phones or computers, we being all of us, we watch another video like this, right? for years it has been these pleas from elected officials, from policing officials, from the media, you guys just calm down and i promise we'll fix it. we'll have a meeting. we'llv we'll have a townhall.
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and people have said to me, and now i've started saying it to talk about where the activists are, lucy can only pull the ball so many times before she gets punched in the face. >> brennan: is what the justice department, what the white house has said, which is that the protests that you are laying out as peaceful and well-intentioned have been infiltrated by far left-wing specifically, radical groups. antifa was mentioned by the national security advisor. what truth is there to this? >> you know, every demonstration i've ever covered, any time i've ever been in the streets and interviewed people, everyone, fergus, baltimore, cleveland, milwaukee, the list goes forever, in all of those cases there are a mixture of people in the streets. there are people who show up because they want to march and yell.
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but they never have control of everyone who shows up. there is always a mixture of groups. not just white anti-arckist people -- if you were to look at the people of the mixture of the people in the streets and cities, the answer is probably all of the above. sometimes we get too focused on this, well, is it one specific group -- again, the reporting will start to look at what exactly is there, but i've never once been in the streets during these protests where the reporting has beared out it is one specific group in some deliberate way pushing all of this. the reality is it is a confluence of people, a confluence of anger and frustration. it can be too easy for us to think it is just some outside agitator. when you read the reports and the contemporaneous coverage of basically every riot that has
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happened in the 100 years, the local officials always say it is the outside agitators. we have seen in the last 48 hours the officials in minneapolis claim that, but the vast majority of people arrested were local. >> brennan: the attorney-general this morning, for the state, said there is a lot of suspicious behavior, cars without license plates, things that appear to be designed to cover up the identity of the individuals involved. >> certainly, but is that car without a license plate from a state over or from a city over, right? the reality -- the suggestion that people locally may not be upset or frustrated enough to take such action i think sometimes misses it. in all of these protests, again, from reporting and being there on the ground and talking to folks, it is unquestionable that there are people who show up explicitly to create chaos. no question. >> brennan: yeah. so some of the elected officials we've been talking to at the local
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levels say protests are good when they're organized, what the atlanta mayor said, but basically go express yourself at the ballot box. she told miable t people to go e on friday. the mayor of st. paul said there is a real conversation that needs to be had, but that is about reforming a system. >> correct. >> brennan: so what exactly needs to be reformed? and when do the protests stop? >> what the activists would say is literally everything. they would say that the american policing, as we've currently understand it and conceptualized it is a legacy of slavery. it was created to control and in many ways abuse black americans, to keep them subservient to a white majority. what the activists would argue is that a system that was constructed that way will never be able to provide equitable
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positions -- >> brennan: so to be able to fire cops more easily, and say even if that is done, that's not enough? >> it is hard to see -- if there is a structural and systemic issue, can you solve a structural and systemic issue with band-aids? and the data all suggests there is a structural systemic issue. and the types of reforms we've talked about are individual reforms, firing an individual officer. if there is actual a structural problem, that doesn't fix it. >> brennan: all right, wesley lowery, thank you very much for your reporting and analysis. >> thank you. >> brennan: we'll be right back with the latest on the coronavirus on the coronavirus pandemic. social distancing in stores. we've implemented shorter hours,
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cbs news elizabeth palmer reports from london. liz? >> reporter: margaret, at least six million people have now been infected with the coronavirus worldwide, and the number is still growing, especially in a handful of developing countries. india is struggling. the infection here is steadily spreading beyond the cities, in part because the country has one of the lowest testing rates on earth. a strict block down in the worst infected areas has been expanded for one more month. brazil, too, remains an epicenter as many people now die from covid every day in brazil as in america, which still has the most. but contrast, italy, which was hit so hard early on continues to reopen. tourist sites, like the leaning tower of piazza,
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have rolled out the new normal, a gadget that gets red when visitors get too close. and in other countries, there is another sign of recovery: schools reopening, from south korea to holland, where there is a new classroom normal, plexiglass pupil shields. and in australia, the classic uluru race went on. but this pandemic is far from over. the poor everywhere are especially vulnerable. so there was international dismay when donald trump announced he was pulling the u.s. and its money out of the world health organization. so far from the w.h.o., there has been no official reaction, but maybe a coded appeal from its chief. >> science is giving us solutions, but to make the
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solutions work for everyone, we need solidarity. >> reporter: now, the issue certainly would have come up at the g-7 summit that president trump hoped to host in june, but he has now postponed it after german's chancellor angela merkel made it clear she would not travel to the united states in the pandemic. >> brennan: we go now to west port, connecticut, and dr. scott gottlieb. good to see you again. >> doctor: thank you. >> brennan: we were speaking earlier with the mayor of atlanta, who told her constituents, if you were in these protests, you need to go get yourself a covid-19 test. when you look at this, these large-scale gatherings around the country, what is your prediction of what this will mean? >> doctor: well, look, there is going to be a lot of issues coming out of what happened in the last weekment one is going to be that change of
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transmission will have become lit from these gatherings. and minnesota, one of the hard-hit states, where you've seen large mass gatherings, that state has been seeing an uptake in cases to begin with, even before these protests started, we have seen rising hospitalizations. this country is not through this epidemic. it continuing to expand, but at a much slower rate, but it is still expanding. and we have pockets of spread in communities that aren't under good control. >> brennan: what we know already from the data is that black and brown americans are disproportionately impacted by the virus itself, and also disproportionately impacted by the job cuts, but they are carrying the burden of this outbreak. why do you think that is happening, and what is the policy response? >> doctor: that's right. black americans and hispanic and latino americans have been disproportionately impacted by covid. i think it is a system of
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broader racial inequities in our country that we need to work to resolve. you have to look at it across two dimensions? first, why the higher rates in these communities, and when they do get covid disease, why are they dying at a higher rate? >> the first has to do with low income issues, issues related to overcrowded housing, the fact they have to take crowded transportation, that the they work in essential jobs and didn't have good p.p.e. at work. the second has to do with poor access to health care, mistrust of the health care system, some discrimination in health care. and also back to the first factors, the economic factors, you see a higher burden of economic disease in this country, often related to income inequity. stopping this pandemic will depend on our ability
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to take care of our economic and socially vulnerable. >> brennan: we know the federal government is leaving the testing strategy part of this up to the states and local governments. so what should be the response? what do you tell governors to do? is it tre triaging testing for these communities? >> doctor: that's exactly what it is, taking resources and bringing them into communities being disproportionately impacted by the disease. you think of people from communities that are disadvantaged, they look access to health care and testing. they don't have the same health care opportunities. so you try to bring the testing into those communities and into work sites. and we need to make sure that covid doesn't become punitive. that it doesn't mean you lose your jobs, you lose your wages. we need to support people through the illness, and we need to encourage them
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to get tested. you need to focus the resources on the medically vulnerable communities where this virus is going to spread more actively. it is not just black and hispanic communities. it is also institutions like nursing homes, places where there are vulnerable americans, but you need to be focusing the resources on those settings. >> brennan: you're talking about the most vulnerable in this country, and dr. fauci has talked about the most vulnerable around the world. what do you think the health impact of what president trump announced on friday, which is he is pulling the united states out of the world health organization ahead of the timeframe he had laid out, that he is full-scale cutting the u.s. off. what impact will there be? >> doctor: the president raises valid concerns about the w.h.o. but this is not the time to be pulling out of the w.h.o. i think we could have tried to reform the w.h.o. from within, and forcing china to admit taiwan to
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the world health authority. we're seeing this virus become epidemic in other parts of the world. it hasn't reached west africa and south africa in high numbers yet, but i think it will. we see an epidemic in brazil and in india. the world health organization is an important entity to a lot of those countries, so pulling out of the w.h.o. and pulling resources from that oars organization will contribute to some of the adversity that these countries face. >> brennan: are you talking about just covid-19 or you talking about other health impacts? >> doctor: a lot of the programs that the w.h.o. runs, we're going to try to support throughout other organizations. but there are ones that will suffer. the polio ear raduation program, the best i can tell the only entity funding that program is the w.h.o. it will be hard for the united states to support that through other
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organizations. those are going to be the harhardest impacted immediately by this. >> brennan: back in this country, the c.d.c. did issue a new timeline. what it said was that communitynitcommunity transmissn likely began in late january or early february 2020 after a single importation from china, followed by multiple importtations from europe. what does that reveal to you? >> doctor: this is looking at washington state. we had a case in mid-january, and we thought that lit the spark of community spread. what we learned is that wasn't the case. there was a later case in early february that led to a chain of transmission that ultimately resulted in the outbreak. it tells us we had an opportunity well into february to try to quell the outbreaks that ultimately led to this
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epidemic. if we had gotten testing in place in early to mid-february, that would have help, potentially. and the report talked about syndromeic epidemic. how many people reported they had the flu, but were testing negative for the flu, and therefore covid wasn't spreading. the data wasn't flashing red, but it certainly wasn't flashing green. it was flashing yellow. there were researchers, like caitlin rivers and others, who were reporting that at the time. what the data was saying was there seems to be a signal that something could be spreading. it was at the high end of the range we would have expected in a normal season. >> brennan: so there were warning signs. dr. birx said on friday that about 5% of america or so has been tested. what do you make of those numbers?
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>> doctor: well, i think the operative number -- look, we ramped up testing substantially in this country. there is no question. we're doing about 500,000 tests a day, and that is going to grow substantially as we get new systems into the market. i think the important statistic to watch is how many tests are being run per day, not the total number tested over the last three months. we're testing over half a million a day, which is high. i think had is a good number. i don't think testing capacity will be the challenge heading into the fall. i think getting access to testing will be the challenge. what will aren't going to be are sites to go get tested very easily. that's why we need to get testing at the community sites, into work places as well. especially places where people work where they can't social distance, where they're working on a shop floor or a warehouse, and they're coming into contact with a lot of other people so they face higher risks. >> brennan: dr. scott gottlieb, always nice to talk to you. we'll be back in a moment.
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and the value of those lives is immeasurable. on a single day in 2001, america lost just under 3,000 people aboard the four hijacked planes and the attack on the world trade center and pentagon. that earth-shaking day spawned a 19-year war in afghanistan. 2,300 americans died on that battle field, another 4,400 u.s. troops were lost in the fight for iraq. those figures don't capture the horror or the extent of our grief, nor the impact on the rest of the world. yet that is a fraction of the more than 103,000 lives claimed by the coronavirus on u.s. soil in the past three months. each day nearly a thousand americans die from it. the attack on pearl harbor killed 2,400 americans in less than 24 hours, launching a generation of americans into the second world war.
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it would take 43 pearl harbors to equal all of those lost to covid-19. but how does one write more than 100,000 obituaries? if these numbers seem unfathomable, consider them another way: that's the size of the entire population of south bend, indiana. and how do we continue to say that we're all in this together when the numbers show that we're not sharing the burden equal? black americans have a covid-19 mortality rate nearly 2.5 times that of white americans. hispanics are hospitalized at a rate approximately 3.5 times that of whites. those figures reveal the tragic consequence of income inequality, and people of color make up the majority of frontline workers whom we all rely on in this fight. the grocery workers, the police, the health care
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aides. we've all been warned to brace for more loss. the white house projects the death toll may climb to 240,000 americans, roughly four times as many dead as the number of names inscribed on the black granite of the vietnam memorial. the lives already lost outnumber the fallen from the wars in vietnam, korea, afghanistan, and iraq combined. the glimmer of hope that remains is the fact that the majority of those who get the virus do recover, but for those who do not, the loss is incalculable. we'll be right back.
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>> brennan: that's it for us today. we want to leave you with something uplifting: some new pictures just in from space. that's the spacex rocket docking successfully at the international space station. it launched yesterday from cape canaveral in florida. cbs news will have continuing coverage of the rest of that mission. as for "face the nation," we will see you next week. stay safe. i'm margaret brennan. captioning sponsor (female announcer) the following is a paid program for crepe erase.
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