momto mosaic. i'm honored to be your host this morning. our faith community across the country spend a lot of time talking about how to communicate its history and values to its community to the next generation. one of the ways in which faith communities have done this is through the communication with writing and reyou a conver w o thor e is a drenut emic. ing totalk to the professor in a moment. in the meantime, i'd like to introduce you to a

children's author who's written a wonderful new book. this is your fourth children's book. >> my fifth actually. >> this is called bitter and sweet. why don't we jump in and tell us what bitter and sweet is. >> thank you. i'm delighted to be here with you. bitter and sweet is a children's picture book about a little girl named hannah who's family moves to a new town. at first, hannah can only see the bitter in this move. she feels the loss of her friends and her home which she loved and all the little things about that life that a child would notice. she eventually does learn to find the sweet in her new situation. the point of the story for me is about more than just a move. it's about change. i think it's really important for us as adults to help kids learn recivil

resilientcy. >> we live in a world even if you stay in the same place, san francisco bay area, that transition is all around us. whether a tran decision to a new school, neighborhood or peer group, then there's a lot of issues that get stimulated. parents struggle with ways to articulate as you said, ways to understand resilience and understand, perpetrate receive, act, behave. i'm wondering how and sweet, you as a children's author, congregate those issues down to a child. >> you're right. for this time of year we're going to longer days, darker days, school just

started not long ago for kids. change can be not just a move or new school but a new teacher each year or new team to be a part of. change is definitely all around us. bitter and sweet, many i try to focus on what a child would notice. i talk about her noticing her art coming down from the classroom walls. her noticing that the house she use to have, she could write her bike happily on the street and her new house is on the hill. as an adult, it may not seem like big moves, but to a child, it can feel important. the way i tried to make hannah feel better is feels comfortabl i think this is a time for all of us where we can kind of pause, relax your shoulders a little bit. it's a sensory part of our week

where there's sweet wine to taste, halet to smell. it's a lovely family time. helping kids adapt to changeis inuingthe from other cultures are part of what anchors the child. >> i wonder how you articulate things universal like adapting to change and futuristic about you use your own ways, end of the workweek, jewish holiday. i know this is a big question. we all struggle when we face life's challenges. >> absolutely. as i mentioned, ny it beautiful anthings at help

anchor children. i anchored this in a jewish family and tradition. one of the stories is hannah reaches out to her grandmother when she finds out she has to move. the grandmother moved to a new country. she shares her immigrant story. i think in this country, we're a country of immigrants. there's so many stories about people coming and adapting and finding their way in a new land and town, new community. so i think there's a lot that's general about this story, not just particular to the jewish faith. i also -- the other way hannah starts to feel better about her situation is when a new nd reaches out. thing at n oby anyone. >> wonderful. we'll take a quick break and return to the children's theater opera in a moment.

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good morning. welcome back to mosaic. we're in the middle of a wonderful conversation with the children's author about her latest book, her fifth children's book called bitter and sweet. this is about a young girl named hannah that moves because her father gets a new job. she's going through the transition of a new home and

neighborhood and a new school. the title bitter and sweet gets woven into the story throughout the story. it has a very lovely ending. in ways, you can just give a peek into how that evolves so that anybody that listens will be that much more enticed to go out and buy the book. >> thank you. so in the story, bitter and sweet, first refers to how hannah feels about moving. at first, she can see the bitter and harder parts of the move. she finds the sweet in one way is frank gives her a gift of hot cocoa. at first she doesn't realize she needs to add sugar to the cocoa. the cocoa turns out bitter and reinforces her feelings. she soon figures out she needs to add sweet to it. she figures out she needs the cocoa and friendship and gifrom her friendmia differe mia reachea hand to

hannah. it's when hannah realizes she needs to reach back out to mia to feel connected that she finds the sweet in her new situation. that's really true for all people when you're new in the situation, a community having a friend reach out. it's so important. it's when you invest back in yourself that you have a relationship that becomes that much sweeter. >> resilience has a lot to do with how you understand your own use of self, relationship, ways you receive and give. >> absolutely. that's a huge part of resilience. i think building resill resilient say is getting them to see they can reach out in the >>talk t buildi

the next ilbo that pushes into that landscape. i'm wondering what do you hope the book will do in that arena? all of our faith traditions, family histories have so much to teach our children. if we're trying to help them understand life is full of change, some of which we can control and some we don't. helping them understand they're part of this longer theiri traditions of their faith and family can be a wonderful foundation. that's hugely important whatever that tradition may be. >> if someone would like to buy bitter and sweet, how do they buy the book? it's baseball on all major buying websites for books. you can also check out my own website sandra v feeder.com. there's lots of links there as ll. >>rft, 've got to

say good-bye to this conversation. thank you so much for being here. we encourage you to please go to your website or independent bookstore. thank you so much. we'll welcome professor mark dollanger.

good morning. welcome back to mosaic. i'm rabbi eric wieson. we're about there introduce you to professor mark dolanger. >> great to be here. >> you wrote this book called

black power jewish politics. that's a potent title. yes. >> let's jump in. as an academic, you have a lot of freedom to choose what you write about and the content you put into something. why don't we start at the beginning and ask you, how did you arrive to this particular topic? it's a somewhat embarrassing story. from my first week at cal berkeley, as a freshman, i was raised in los angeles in the suburbs of 1970s. i learned about jewish social justice what we learn about how to repair or heal the world. we learned about dr. king, civil rights movement march from selma. the second stop was the student union table. i walked up, introduced myself and said let's start

a black jewish dialogue. my colleague busted out laughing and kept laughing until he saw the horrid look on my face sort of realizing i didn't get the picture. i guess to hum the moment, he said i'm from harlem. when he said that, i understood that it was literally an african-american neighborhood in manhattan. i understood that was a much deeper statement he was making to me. his upbringing, my upbringing, certainly his look at african-american history and my look at it would be fundamentally different. i it wouldn't open the book. that was the moment that d pr is y answer to that conversation with him. >> so where did that conversation go? it's culminated in this marvelous book we want folks to buy and read and contemplate. how did that conversation continue? i spoke because that was the

end of the black jewish dialogue of uc berkeley 1982. i decided i needed to educate myself. i took black study classes, african-american history classes. i began looking at american jewish history doing graduate work. i've been animated by the intersection of jewishness, americanness and race. this book is really sort of my biggest focus attempt to get at big questions through a specific moment. >> each community, the black and jewish community in the united states have a lot of parallel use of faith tradition and a parallel use of using faith tradition to advance their own respective communities' causes and also in that context, each interest in what we might think

of interssecting other communities. that's a big topic i know. that's something you've given a lot of thought about. it is a big question. i'm wondering if you can talk about the con dent of the book. >> this is where it gets tricky. what you offer second degree a good and accurate depiction of the way in which we tend to understand the relationship between faith based traditions and social justice. the greatest example we have is rabbi joshua who was a hero. i the define a hero as someone willing to risk their own power and privilege to benefit the other. in this case, it would have been african-americans in the south. sadly though as i did the research, i discovered as we have heroes, the relationship between the faith

tradition and actual activism. those traditional understands of jewish law most applicable were most involved in the community certainly in terms of african- american racial equality. the conservative movement is moving more liberal had a little more in the reform movement. it was the least observant and least engaged. cultural jews were mostly down there. i found it fascinated to be raised in the tradition i understand my faith is what informed it. when i looked at ev, turnut to complicated. >> part of the complication, this is a big comment. i'd love to know what you think about it. our jewish community is coming

to reflect our history as immigrants. prejudice was based skin color. in some ways we were able to succeed because we got to, in our own minds, pass as white although in the culture we were white. an issue we're dealing with in the jewish community is how to understand how our whiteness which in some ways feels a little out of sink with how we internalize our identity. on the other hand is part of the american jewish identity. we're going to take a quick break and come back. >> sure. this is one of the most complex questions and animating most of my work now. one reason i love the discipline of jewish studies is question of jews and racial

demolition. there's times whites were not considered white. there are times in which have jews are white. most scholars concluded by 1960 if not 1950, american jews became white. most of the story of social justice comes from whiteness, power, privilege even as jews do not self-define themselves as white. they point out rightfully there's anti-semitism. sadly it's spiking in recent times. >> we'll take a quick break and return in a moment.

good morning. welcome back. we're in the middle of a conversation with the professor in the department of jewish studies at san francisco state university. welcome back, mark. >> thanks. >> let's talk about the thesis of the book. >> there's three parts of the book. it kind of evolved backwards. i was interested in how american jews became more ethnic in their judaism in the 1960s. the movement up in the

1960s when in the communist community, it should have come in the 50s. they become more kosher and traditional. jews that turned far right looked at it. they were immolated by the model from the black movement. i was interested to see jews followed that model more than as we could say authentically created something jewish. from that, i worked backwards to mid 1960s with the black jewewish of the dr. king years. i grew up thinking that was dil

jewish leadership coming, unnd preciated wswere white, privileged and enjoying middle class status. just for fun and to push the thesis, i moved back to 1950s to see how much of what happened in the 60s and 70s the jewish leadership was aware of even before. i found out 10 years and 50 years before of what it meant to be jewish and african- american. they were predicting an inner coulsurvivgiven ent american experiences. >> when you say they within a jewish leadership context, who were they seeing,

thinking, writing about . that's a good question. for this reason, they're mostly men white, middle aged. it's pros and kontos doing that. the pros is these are jewish leaders proclaiming to act in their jewishness in what they were doing. i wanted to see what someone claiming jewishness was claiming. the challenging part were most were not actively involved in jew push organizations. some would deny they anytng to do with it. >> i think every historian classically looks to the future. i'm wondering given all this and all of what's in our world at large both san francisco bay area, the united states, and really beyond. what is our jewish black future

if that's a way to ask the question? i have to say it's a historian. it's tough enough to predict the past. the book is about historical memory, the way we elected to remember a history that was actually quite different. i sort of try to critique myself in what have i failed myself. to me, it's clear, jews of color. to read a book about the black jewish alliance in relationship. we have to look at how much is white and privileged. here we have to look to breath enin the jews of

color community to guide us will. >> fascinating. how does somebody actually buy your book? thank you. you yourself, are you in the middle of a book tour? yes. i'm in the middle of a tour across the country now. my website will have the details. >> wonderful, certainly your classes at san francisco state. >> that's fascinating. we're going to start in a moment and say good-bye. i'm wondering if you can reflect on a particular piece of this which is that is nae you wrote a jewish narrative? i wonder to what degree african- american history classes would have even the same understanding or not. >> this is an excellent question. the first two words of the book

are black power. it's about jewish politics. i'm using the frame of the black power movement to get to an understanding of what is jewish, what is american, how american jews are with this culture. >> thank you so much. we hope you enjoyed this morning together. please buy the books. thank you for being with us.

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