captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington. and this week on "face the nation," it's been a disturbing fourth ofourth of july weekend e coronavirus wildfire continues to spread and the president's fiery rhetoric divides rather than unites america. the nation's capital was ground zero for an eerie and edgy fourth of july, with images of a birthday celebration featuring americans exercising their first amendment rights. there are shocking sights in -- spikes in new cases, particularly in the south and some parts of the west. from coast to coast, there's a divide between americans assuming personal responsibility in their behavior and a refusal of some to accept the reality of

the coronavirus. >> and we'll likely have a therapeutic and/or vaccine solution long before the end of the year. we've learned a lot. we've learned how to put out the flame. >> brennan: but scientists and medical experts see it differently. >> we're going in the wrong direction. i'm very concerned because it could get very bad. >> brennan: dr. anthony fauci, the top virus expert, predicted we could see 100,000 new cases a day, double what we're seeing today. >> what we've seen over the last several days is a spike in cases that are well beyond the worst spikes that we've seen. that is not good news. we've got to get that under control before we risk an even greater outbreak in the united states. >> brennan: with protests and record joblessness throughout the nation, president trump launched a campaign friday against what he calls far left

fascism. >> angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities. >> brennan: another attack came on the fourth of july. >> we are now in the process of defeating the radical left, the marxists, the anarchists, the agitators, the looters, and people who, in many instances, have absolutely no clue what they are doing. >> brennan: we'll hear from the mayors of two covid hot spots, houston's sylvester turner and miami-dade county mayor carlos gimeénez. plus -- former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. we'll talk about former national security adviser john bolton, plus, we'll have analysis on the week's economic news mark zandi of moody's analytics and also take a look at travel trends in the covid era. it's all just ahead on "face the

nation." >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." it may be the most sobering morning after the fourth of july in america's history as we wake up to the fourth day in a row of more than 50,000 new reported cases of covid-19. on the rise now in 40 of 50 states. we are committed to bringing you the facts about the virus and the most knowledgeable guests that we can. we think it's important for our viewers to hear from dr. anthony fauci and the centers for disease control. but we have not been able to get our requests for dr. fauci approved by the trump administration in the last three months. and the cdc not at all. we will continue our efforts. our coverage begins this morning with cbs news national correspondent mark slosman in atlanta.

>> reporter: washington, d.c.'s celebration of the fourth last night masked a feeling far from festive. on the national mall, police and protesters were in no mood to party. d.c.'s mayor urged people to stay safe and stay home. at the white houses, masks were available but few people wore them as president trump bragged about his administration's response to the pandemic. >> we have tested almost 40 million people. by so doing, we show cases 99% of which are totally harmless. >> reporter: tell that to health officials across the country. they saw a parade of nonsocial distancers this weekend. ♪ like this pool party in michigan and another in missouri's lake of the ozarks area. a rolling wave of covid already has hit america's sun belt. states with the biggest spike over the last week, georgia,

louisiana, nevada, arizona, south carolina, and florida. this holiday weekend south florida's beaches are closed. on saturday, the state posted two alarming covid records, almost 11,500 new cases in a single day. and it's testing positivity rate hit almost 18%. roughly 1 in 5 newly sick americans is a floridian. governor ronde desand -- ron desanityis. >> i don't think anyone expected a sunbelt resurgence in mid-june. >> reporter: not true. many predicted it for states like florida, like texas. the states averaging 6500 new cases a day. three times its april average. a masked mandate covers most of the state. in california, some beaches were closed, others crowded. the virus has burst again in california. the first day to shut down back in march. roughly 6300 new cases a day. >> avoid crowds and avoid going

to large parades outside of your household. >> fourth of july! reporter: but for these tailgaters in fulsome, california, covid mixed with patriotic pride. the cars were parked six feet apart. in arizona, free covid testing drew hundreds of people, a sign of the worry here. some cars waited eight hours before organizers ran out of supplies. balancing vital signs and dollar signs remains tricky. expect fuller flights on american airline. it's selling middle seats again. and major league baseball's abbreviated season is less than three weeks away. but america's national pastime already has america's virus. at least 38 players and staff have tested positive. the good news -- covid mortality rates are dropping. still -- by the end of this month, some health experts predict as many as 160,000 americans will have died from the virus. people heard the call to have a

low-key holiday weekend. but did they listen? margaret? >> brennan: mark straussman in atlanta. thank you. we want to go now to one of the nation's hot spots. that's houston, texas. mayor sylvester turner join us from his home this morning. good morning to you, mr. mayor. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> brennan: the president said 99% of covid-19 cases are totally harmless. is that the case in houston? >> no, that's not the case. i would tell you a month ago, 1 in 10 people were testing positive. today it's 1 in 4. the number of people who are getting sick and going to the hospital has expo nnchly increased. the number of people in our icu beds has exponentially increased. if fact, if they don't get our hands around this virus quickly, in about two weeks, our hospital system could be in serious, serious trouble. >> brennan: overwhelmed. is that what you mean by serious trouble? >> that's what i mean, overwhelmed. right now we have bed capacity. but let me just tell you, i want to highlight the major problem,

the staffing. we can always provide additional beds, but we need the people, the nurses and everybody else, the medical professionals to staff those beds. that's the critical part right now. >> brennan: who is getting sick? is this concentrated in any one community? is there any lesson to be learned here? >> look, this virus is an equal opportunity abuser. it will inflict anyone who comes in close proximity with it. it's having a disproportional impact on people of color, and right now especially within the hispanic community. but we're having young people being impacted as well. just the other day, i announced a young woman in her 20s with no underlying medical conditions that died as a result of covid. so it's anyone from their 20s into their 90s are being impacted. if you come together in close proximity, you will fuel this virus and now 1 in 4 people are testing positive for this virus. this is a serious issue, and we need to control it.

>> brennan: what do you trace this spike back to? because i know your police chief said he believes there's a high probability that many of the officers who were policing those protests in the past few weeks trace it back to that. others have traced it back to reopening of restaurants. can you concentrate this? what is the contact tracing tell you? >> well, at the end of april, the beginning of may, our numbers were relatively low in terms of people getting infected and people dying. we were -- our numbers were quite good. what we did see as we started to reopen -- and i said then we're reopening too quickly, too fast. in the month of may, if you look at the second week in may going forward, the numbers started to increase. i was never reporting more than, say, 200, 250 cases a day in terms of people testing positive. and then towards the end of may into june, those numbers started

increasing exponentially. around mid-june, i started reporting 6, 7, 8900 a day. and so from the beginning when we started opening too quickly and when you layer that on top of everything else all the other activities that were taking place and people starting to resocialize, then you started to refuel the virus. and that's when the numbers started to increase. >> brennan: with testing, we've seen pictures of long lines in houston. do you need the state, do you need the federal government to surge capacity to you? why isn't that happening already? >> well, let me just tell you, this is all hands. we need everybody from the federal level, state level and local level. the demand for testing in this state, in this city has increased quite a bit. but we -- and we're trying to ramp up, but the demand exceeds the capacity. at the two major testing sites that we have, that we have partnered with fema, we can test up to about 650 per day at each

one of those sites. we are reaching capacity at about noon. we have opened up some additional testing sites and many what i call our aggregates, vulnerable communities but there's a tremendous demand. and then there's a wait time for that testing and to get the results back. so we are increasing the testing. but we are also finding what's most disturbing is that the positivity rate has increased. so a month ago, 1 in 10 tested positive. today we're looking at almost like 1 in 4. >> brennan: mr. mayor, i want to also ask you about something the president said yesterday in his fourth of july speech. i know you in your city have been supportive of removing confederate monuments because of the moment we are in. he gave extensive remarks, the president, yesterday talking about a fight that he says he's taking on with the "radical left, marxist, anarchists, agitators and the looters and

the angry mob trying to tear down our statues and erase our history." i wonder how those words landed with you in your decision? >> let me just say i don't fit into any one of those categories. these statues, confederate statues, and in houston we have taken them down and they've been taken down very peacefully, with the support, i would say, with most of the houstonians in this city. these statues should never have been put there, to glorify that history. it is a -- if there is a place for them, primarily in a museum or someplace else but not in our city parks and public spaces. the history -- and i'm an african-american mayor. i'm a nonpartisan mayor. but i can -- but i was an african-american before i became mayor. i'll be an african-american after i become mayor. and the history of slavery and people fighting against the union, that history cannot be erased, and the fact is that those monuments were placed, for example, in houston 80 to 100 years ago to glorify the bad

things that were done to other people like those of my ancestors. it has been past due time for those statues to come down. we did it in a respectful way. we're not trying to erase history, but we are trying to take the power of placing these statues in public spaces away and to place them where they can be told -- where the history can be told and placed in its context. the toxicity that is being spread in our city and our country has to come to an end. >> brennan: mr. mayor, thank you for your time. good luck with your fight. >> thank you. brennan: we want to turn now to another mayor in another hotspot, in south florida, the mayor of miami-dade county is carlos gimeénez and he joins us from miami this morning. thank you for joining us, mr. mayor. >> it's a pleasure. brennan: you put in some pretty stringent restrictions in the past few days on this holiday weekend. you put in place a curfew. you stopped alcohol from being

served at hotels after 8:00 p.m., mask wearing. are your residents now taking this threat seriously? >> well, i think they are, but i think my residents also kind of let their guard down around late may, early june. and also some of the protests that we had here contributed to it, so we saw a rapid rise in young people getting -- being positive to covid-19 around mid-june. and i think that that had a lot to do with probably socializing, young kids going to parties, maybe graduation parties at homes, because it's been pretty locked down here for some time. we have a strict mask order when you're inside since april 19t april 19th, you're supposed to wear a mask, supposed to wear a mask outside unless you can maintain social distancing. we changed that now to wearing a mask all the time. we shut down the beaches this weekend.

we restricted alcohol sales. we've also closed again some of the places where people can congregate like movie theaters and bowling alleys and casinos and all that, because we have seen a sharp rise in the positivity rate just like they have in houston. >> brennan: so you do trace it to the protests, because we just heard the mayor of houston say that was not it. it was the restaurants, the businesses and people gathering in those kinds of -- >> no, i think it's all the above. i think oviously the protests had a hot to do with it. we had thousands of young people together outside, a lot of them not wearing masks. we know when you do that and you are talking and you are chanting, etc., that really spreads the virus. >> brennan: okay. so absolutely, the protests had mething to do with it. but also our people, our residents did not -- i think they let their guard down and started to socialize, and again, that also had to do with it. so it's all of the above. i'm not saying it's just that, but it was a contributing

factor. >> brennan: give us a sense of who is getting ill and how ill they are getting, because as i asked the other mayor, the president said yesterday 99% of these cases are totally harmless. what's happening in miami? >> well, there's a difference between what is the real -- what's the official number and it's what the real number. we ran a study down here in miami-dade a couple months ago that said over 200,000 people had already had the virus or had the virus at the time. so our official number is maybe 40,000 have officially had it. what concerns me is the positivity rate. we had it down to about 8% of the people getting tested were showing up positive. now there are over 20% are showing up positive. that's the problem for us. and so we -- >> brennan: and how are they getting -- with hospitalizations and the degree of -- last week you were on fox news and you said the good news here is that it's not as lethal as people think it is. that seems in contradiction to

your very stringent guidelines now. >> no, because, look, we just had more people that are being positive. so the more you have at the end, you're going to have more people pass away, unfortunately, because it's just a question of numbers. and so we do have a lot of young people that have gotten positive results. we have seen an increase in the number of hospitalizations. we have seen an increase in the number of icus and also an increase in the number of ventilation simply because we have a more of our people are actually testing positive, which indicates more of the people of miami-dade county are coming up with covid-19. and so when you have more, you obviously will have more hospitalizations, more icus, more respirator es-- >> brennan: right. and unfortunately you would have more fatalities. >> brennan: so you would agree being on a ventilator or being hospitalized means the virus is not harmless. >> no, the virus is not harmless. >> brennan: thank you. that's why -- if it were

harmless, i wouldn't be taking the steps that we're taking here in miami-dade.3 >> brennan: exactly. i want to ask you where the concentrations of clusters are. >> well, it's -- initially, it started out in the middle of the city and also down south. and so we have our farm workers down south. and we had a big concentration down there. and then in the middle of the city in some of the poorer neighborhoods, we had concentrations and now it's spreading throughout the county. so we have what we called surge teams or people with over 100 people, we go out, we give masks. we give hand sanitizers, information, and drive home the point that we have to wear our masks inside and outside. we have to wash our hands. we need to keep eye way from each other. and if we do that, if we act responsibilitily, then we can tap down the positivity rate, get it down below 10% which is where we need it to be. >> brennan: wouldn't it help you if both the state's governor and the president also issued that

call? >> look, the governor and i talk just about every day. and he allows us down here in miami-dade to do things a little differently because the virus is actually been more impactful here in miami-dade, broward and palm beach than other parts of the state. and so it's a big state. and there are big differences between what's happening up in the north part of the state and what's happening here -- >> brennan: that's why i was asking you about your portion of the state. we wish you very good luck in getting this under control. we want to leave it there. >> appreciate it. brennan: we want to get some perspective on what we just learned. with former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. he's standing by. stay with us. right now, there ae over a million walmart associates doing their best to keep our nation going. because despite everything that's changed, one thing hasn't and that's our devotion to you and our communities. our priority will always be to keep you and our associates safe, while making sure you can still get

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where are we headed as a country right now? >> well, i think right now we're where we were when new york city was having its peak epidemic. if you look back, when new york city peaked, we had about 34,000 cases a day. at the time we were probably diagnosing 1 in 20 infections. that meant we were having 700,000 new infections day. right now we're going to have about 60,000 infections a day this week. maybe we'll reach 75,000 or get close to it. we're probably diagnosing 1 in 12 infections. cdc said 1 in 10 a few weeks ago. it's probably 1 in 12 now because we're falling behind. that means we have about 700,000 infections a day nationally. so we're right back where we were at the peak of the epidemic during the new york outbreak. the difference now is that we really have one epicenter of spread when new york was going through its hardship. now we really have four major epicenters of spread -- los angeles, cities in texas, cities in florida, and arizona. and florida looks to be in the worst shape. and georgia's heating up as well. and that's concerning. >> brennan: the president has tweeted yesterday that the media

focuses too much on the growing number of cases, and he's making the point that deaths and the all-important mortality rate is going down and we're not hearing enough about that. how do you understand what is happening with deaths and mortality? >> well, we need to separate the number of deaths going down from the actual case fatality rate. how lethal is this? the case fatality rate is going down, although we're not able to measure it right now, because we're able to save more people who are hospitalized and get critically ill because of advances in care. the number of deaths has gone down because the number of infections went down for a pord of time and more of the new infections right now are in younger people and we're protecting more vulnerable populations like people in nursing homes. but the total number of deaths is going to start going up again as the number of hospitalizations starts to spike again. so we're going to see deaths creep up. and i wouldn't be surprised in the next two weeks to see deaths go over 1,000. that doesn't mean the case fatality rate, the actual death

rate, isn't declining. but when you have more infences, you're going to get more deaths tragically. so if we cut the death rate in half, but we double the number of infections, we're going to get more deaths. to see that.we're going to start so we shouldn't just focus on the crude mortality rate, the number of deaths to tell the story of what's happening medically. medically we are improving but we just have so much infection around this country we're going to see unfortunately a lot of lethality. >> so when the president said of the increase in cases that 99% of which are totally harmless, is he confused? >> well, i'm not really sure what he's referring to. he might be referring to the number of people who get hospitalized based on a number of people who get infected, which is probably less than 5% when you count all the asymptomatic infections and infection in young people who might not be getting diagnosed. but certainly more than 1% of people get serious illness from this. about 60% of people who get

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>> brennan: we'll be right back with more with dr. gottlieb, then former national security adviser, john bolton. he's here to talk about his new book "the room where it happened." stay with us.

♪ >> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we continue our conversation now with former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. i want to pick up on this idea that we left off on, which is that treatments, there is hope on that front. specifically on remdesivir, that drug that's made by gilead. we've talked about it on "face the nation" before. it shortens recovery time. tooves a sign of hope. but now we are hearing that there hey not be may not be unfortunate in of it. does the administration need to be doing more? i know hhs said that they're purchasing 500,000 doses of it. but is that going to meet the need? >> well, look, we need to accept

the fact that we're in the second wave right now. two months ago, there were about 10 states that -- where the reproduction number was above 10, meaning they had expanding epidemics. now there's 40. so we're in that second wave. there's not a clear line on how we're going to get this under control, so it makes us more dependent on technology. there's only a handful of technologies, remdesivir is one of them. we have enough of the drug if the epidemic stays at its current level and we continue to use remdesivir as it's approved for patients who are more sick and hospitalized. but if the epidemic worsens and we want to extend use of the drug to patients who aren't as ill but have preexisting conditions that predict that they may become very sick, we don't have enough drug for that. and that's what we would have wanted. we would have had to set the groundwork for that months ago, and we didn't do that. i think right now we need to be planning for other drugs that may become available this fall, like the therapeutic antibodies and make sure we invest right now in manufaturing capacity and have a coordinated strategy

on that so we can have them if those drugs do become available. >> brennan: when you say we, who do you mean? is that something from the white house? is that something from congress? are we looking to corporations to do this themselves? >> well, the corporations are doing it themselves. there's a lot of collaboration going on, discussion between pharmaceutical companies about trying to free up capacity to increase the manufacturing of these drugs. i think need a more coordinated national strategy around this. there are things the government can do either pay companies no the to produce certain drugs or try to consolidate manufacturing for products we don't need right now or boost manufacturing in the short term and freeze some of those drugs, put them on hold so you can free up the domestic manufacturing capacity we don't have lot of excess domestic manufacturing capacity for these drugs so we need to strategy to free that up. it doesn't mean the government steps in and uses a defense protection act to take over facilities. there's ways that they can work with companies to try to coordinate this. that's what should be happening particularly around the antibodies. we missed the window to do it on

remdesivir because that drug has a long manufacturing cycle, we're unlikely to be able to ramp up supply between now and the end of the year. and that's when we would have needed it. because we face a hard fall. we're going to take all this infection into the fall and winter. it's not clear that it's going to get better. we're going to have epidemics that come and go across the nation in different cities. they'll light up at different times. but we're not going to really be able to crush this virus at this point because there's just so much infection around. we really don't seem to have the political will to do it. >> brennan: you told us in april on this program that doctors should not be using hydroxychloroquine to treat covid-19. do you stand by that recommendation now? >> that's certainly clear. there's studies that show it doesn't provide benefit to hospitalized patients and it doesn't work as a prove laxis. so it doesn't prevent infection. there's studies underway looking at whether it could be helpful in mildly symptomatic patients.

but most of the evidence turned over isn't a suggestion there's a benefit. so i don't anyone should be using it right now pending results of another statey that might demonstrate there is in fact a benefit. because the margin of all the data we've gotten from all the credible studies really show nos benefit and in many so iscas increased risk. >> brennan: dr. gottlieb, always good talking to you. >> thanks a lot. brennan: we want to go now to former national security adviser john bolton. he has a new book out. you might have heard about it, about his time in the administration called "the room where it happened." good morning to you, ambassador. >> good morning. glad to be with you. >> brennan: glad to you have back on "face the nation." i want to talk about a number of topics with you. but you in your book lay out a number of indents in which you came to the point of potentially resigning but you stuck with it for about 17 months. the president, however, continues to refer back to one specific incident on this

program with you as the reason for your relationship going south. it was a comment about north korea. i want to play it. is it a requirement that kim jong-un agree to give away those weapons before you give any kind of concession? >> i think that's right. i think we're looking at the libya model of 2003-2004. >> brennan: the president told fox news that was one of the dumbet things i've ever seen on television. was it that moment that ruined your relationship? >> well, who knows? i guess the president's discontent with me ought to have him asking who hired that guy to begin with? maybe he's the one who needs to be fired. you know, i don't think i could be clearer in talking about the libya model of 2003-2004. we had a clear strategic decision for muammar gaddafi to give up libya's nuclear weapons program. we have never gotten that from north korea. so the fact that seven or eight years later in the midst of the

arab spring, gaddafi was overthrown, nobody predicted in 2003-2004. i'll stand by my comment. one day the president will learn a lilis hadtry and he'd be better off for it. >> brennan: does the president in his thinking get more shaped by television or government advisers? >> well, i think it's a combination of television and listening to people outside the government that he trusts for one reason or another. i think if you could clock the amount of time he spent actually in the oval office, versus the amount of time he spends in the the little dining room off the oval office with the cable news networks of one form or another on, it would be a very interesting statistickic. >> brennan: i want to move on to some issues on the national security front. you're not in government anymore but i know you watch iran closely. there have been at least three mysteria explosions in the past few days, specifically one at the nuclear site. does this look like u.s. or

israeli sabotage to you? >> well, it -- nobody's claiming credit for it except the dissident group inside iraq. the iranian government itself is trying not to comment on it. the israeli government is not commenting. it's not -- >> brennan: exactly. -- clear whether this is the precursor of a larger attack or not. but if somebody is beginning the process of taking down iran's nuclear and bliss tick missile program, i say more power to them. and if they have some spare time, maybe they could try the same on north korea. >> brennan: well, we'll see what we hear from government officials. the israelis are not confirming as you mentioned there. on afghanistan and russia, as you know, the current national security adviser, robert o'brien, has acknowledged that the u.s. did, indeed, have intelligence that russia was paying bounties for american dead. but he said that information was with a held by a cia officers

from the president. even though it was in the brief. were you ever aware of bounties when you were a national security adviser? >> well, i'm not going to comment on what i knew or didn't know out of the intelligence, but i do think it's important for people to understand, intelligence doesn't come in only two qualities, the fully verified intelligence and then the unverified intelligence -- >> brennan: well, i want to end on this, because this morning -- i just want to make sure you know, this morning susan rice, the national security adviser to president obama, went on television on another network and said the information came to light in 2019 when you were in the job. and she believes you would have told the president. is she wrong? does you know about that? -- did you know about that? >> well, i've said in countless other interviews i'm not going to disclose classified information. i've got struggle with the president trying to repress my book on that score already.

i will say this. all intelligence is distributed along the speculatetrum of uncertainty -- spectrum of uncertainty. and this intelligence in 2020 by the administration's own admission buzz deemed credible enough to give to our allies. so the notion that you only give the really completely 100% verified intelligence to the president would mean you give him almost nothing. and that's just not the way the system works. and it's certainly not a decision made only by the briefer who briefs the president twice a week. that's a decision that at least when i was there would have been made by the director of national intelligence, the director of the cia, myself and the briefer together. >> brennan: right. well, this information that russia was providing weapons and money to the taliban was made public in 2018 by the then-commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan. so, you may have known about it when you were in that job. i'm wondering if you are, in your remarks today, sort of politely saying that the current

national security adviser failed in his job. >> look, i'm not going to -- i don't want to make this a matter of personalities. about by the way, what was made public in 2018 was russian assistance to the taliban and that's been known for some time. that alone is troubling. what is particularly troubling, if true, is this latest information that they were killing -- they were providing compensation for killing americans. and that is the kind of thing that you go to the president on and say, look, mr. president, heads up, we may not know everything on this, but a nuclear power is reportedly providing bounties to kill americans. that's the kind of thing you need to have in the president's view so that he can think about it as he develops -- at least as normal presidents develop strategigy to handle russia, to handle afghanistan. >> brennan: yeah. before i let you go, i want to ask you, you in your book -- well -- were very critical of some of your fellow cabinet

members. nikki haley, you really unloaded on her. you called her untethered, a free elec tron. you mentioned her going on this program and saying things she shouldn't have said about russia. you have a pretty low regard on someone who's viewed as having a bright future within the republican party. why did you do that? >> well, she wrote about this -- the conversation on your show in her book and it was inaccurate. and i just felt that it was important to get the record straight. i really wrote this book in large measure for history. other people will write their books and scholars in the future will sort it out. i wrote as best i could recollect what i saw, and i thought that was important. when somebody actually gets the title of their book out of the incident and the facts are wrong. >> brennan: ambassador bolton, always interesting to talk to you. we will leave it there and we will be back to look at some good economic news for the week.

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>> brennan: the u.s. added 4.8 million jobs in june but that data was compiled before the coronavirus spikes midmonth. mark zandi joins us from philadelphia this morning. good morning to you, mark. >> good morning, margaret. brennan: you had already predicted this would be the shortest but arguably most severe recession in history. what did we learn from the data we got this week? >> well, it was good, about as good as you could expect, almost 5 million jobs were created during the month. that's on top of 2.7 million in the month of may. so we've gotten about a third of the jobs back that we lost in march and april. unemployment declined, properly measured, it's about 12%. hard to imagine that that's a good number, but it is a good number compared to 20%, which we got in april. that was the peak. but here's the thing, marget are. the -- margaret, the unfortunately uunfortunate thing, the unexpected better economic news is a result of

the very rapid increase in business reopenings too fast because now the virus is reintensefying and the pandemic is raging in a lot of key states across the country. they're pulling back. and that's not in the data yet. that's coming down the road. so i fear that the best economic news was in june and as we looked at july and going forward, the job statistics are going to look meaningfully worse. the pandemic is a real issue now. >> brennan: and is there -- these states that are seeing these spikes are important to the u.s. economy, very large economies, taxes, california, texas, florida. how much do you expect to see consumers pull back? >> they are -- they're big. if you add up california, texas, florida, let's throw in arizona you're now talking about over a fifth of the economy, probably closer to a third of the economy right there. and i do expect that we're going to see pullbacks from businesses in those states.

and here's the thing. it's not just businesses that are directly impacted. it's not just restaurants and retailers. i think all businesses are going to be nervous about the uncertainty that this all creates so they're going to become even more cautious in hiring back workers. and then, of course, you've got consumers. you and i. we're -- we already had one hand on the bunker. i can't imagine many of us aren't going to go right back into the bunker as a result of all this and wait this out. this is very disconcerting. and if dr. fauci is right and we're headed toward 100,000 per day, i think the prospects of going back into recession are pretty high. >> brennan: well, we know certainly at the white house and at capitol hill, they're going to have to take a look at what kind of emergency aid will need to be provided in light of some of this changing information that we're receiving. in your view, do you think congress needs to provide some kind of help to american families? 80 million americans have children under the age of 18. they can't necessarily send them back to school in the summer. maybe not in the fall.

childcare is also in question. how important is it to address that specific challenge? >> critical -- it's absolutely critical. if congress and the administration don't get it together in the next few weeks before congress goes away on its august recess, i fear we're going back into recession, because the economy needs a lot of help. and you point out there's a lot of -- even though unemployment's back down, if you add up folks that are unemployed, people who are -- have gotten their hours cut, they're still working but they got their hours cut, and consider those folks that are still working, haven't gotten their hours cut but gotten their pay cut, you're talking about a third of all american workers who are struggling here. and if they don't get additional help -- and as you know, the unemployment insurance expansion that was part of the original help to the economy is going away in two to three weeks. so if congress and the administration don't figure out how to provide more help to these folks, they're going to have absolutely no choice but to stop paying bills, cut spending and the economy is really going

to struggle. here's the other thing, state and local governments are hemorrhaging red ink. so every state and local government, doesn't matter if you're in a republican or democratic state, they're slashing payrolls. these are middle income jobs, teachers, fire, police, emergency responders. these are the kinds of folks we need working at any time but particularly in a pandemic. so it's just absolutely critical that congress doesn't take the wrong message from the june jobs number and says, okay, mission accomplished. we're okay here. we're far from it. they need to provide a lot more help and very soon. >> brennan: what about the specific childcare issue? how does congress -- >> well -- brennan: solve that? well, i mean, you're right. the -- they have provide support through -- to support for childcare on the other side -- during the pandemic and once schools -- during the summer and when school -- if schools don't reopen. so there has to be additional support there. there's different ways of providing that support, direct

aid to people who are unemployed or through the -- through unemployment insurance, or through the tax code. there's a child tax credit that could be used to make it refundable to different households so that they can get cash back if they have childcare needs. but all those things need to be part of any additional support that congress comes forward with and hopefully again they come forward with that quickly here. >> brennan: and we'll be covering it. mark zandi, thank you. we'll be back in a moment. for the sweaty faces, and the hidden smiles. the foggy glasses, and the sore ears. the determined looks, and the muffled laughs. a simple piece of fabric makes a big statement: i care. let's all do our part to slow the spread.

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>> brennan: summer vacation looks a lot different this season. short distance road trips, visits to national parks, or for some no trips at all. for a look at how americans are thinking about travel, we know you're at least thinking about it, tripadvisor ceo steven cover joins frus his home in newton, massachusetts this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning to you. brennan: so, travel was supposed to be inching back up this summer. now we have these spikes in the south and in the west.% what is that doing to the consumers that you are watching? >> yeah, so if you look at the traffic on our site, we have hundreds of millions of visitors

on tripadvisor each month who look at the top searches and i think 5 or 6 of the top 10 a couple of weeks ago were all wonderful southern beaches, texas, arizona, florida, great places to go, but that switched. everyone's moving essentially up north away from all these hot spots, which is totally understandable given the safety concerns that travels tell us are most important. >> brennan: we hear that the president continued to float this idea of giving a potential tax credit to americans if they take a vacation. we don't know that congress will take that up. but i'm wondering, in the travel industry, if you think or if you're betting on needing that. >> i think everyone in the travel industry is really, really concerned about this slip backwards that we've now seen in the u.s. and what's best for the travel industry, at least my opinion, is really getting the pandemic under control. and that isn't about a tax credit for someone to take a

vacation. it's really about leadership among federal government, from the state governments, from local governments, all telling people to do the basic things that everybody needs to do to keep us all safe. that's what will get travel going again in this country. >> brennan: and safety is the number one priority that you are seeing in the consumers who are looking to travel and to book something right now? how do you offer that to someone on the other end of a computer screen? >> we asked. we asked hundreds -- or thousands of people, and they said 9 out of 10 said, safety is the most important thing that they are looking for when planning this next trip. so we went out, as tripadvisor, like the premier travel guidance company and said, how can we help our travelers really understand the details about what makes a hotel or a restaurant safe for them. so we went out to all of the

businesses on our site and said, come tell us, comaltel all the audience on our site everything that you as an individual business are doing to help keep your guests safe. and as of this morning, close to 50,000 different businesses had uploaded some information already -- and this was just a program that was launched last week, so we expect many, many more. >> brennan: we know american -- different american airlines are going to the government to get emergency help. we saw new terms negotiated just this week. and i wonder if you are seeing americans have the confidence to go and buy a ticket on a plane a few months out. are they confident that airline isn't going to go bankrupt? >> i don't think they're worried about airlines going bankrupt, but they remain concerned about their health. and to the degree that the whole country can come together, as much of europe has done, and really take a concerted effort to treat everyone safe -- doing

everything they can to make sure everyone feels safe when they travel -- >> brennan: what does that mean? does that mean masks are sort of the magic solution for a business to provide confidence? does it mean face shields? does it mean something specific? like, how do you actually trust the safety measures? >> i'm personally less worried about getting on an airplane if i have a mask, and i know every other passenger is wearing their masks. that would make me feel personally safe to go to a place if that place is not now a hot spot of the coronavirus. so, again, with government recommendations, with our president, with all of the national leaders saying, this is what every american of every political persuasion should be doing, i think that would go a tremendous way to really helping start the downward trend in cases. if you look at massachusetts is doing. we have a republican governor, charlie baker, led by science

who's looking at opening up the state after we clearly took care of the coronavirus, in the hundreds now, and he's opening up very slowly. >> brennan: okay. well, we will see. thank you very much, steven, from tripadvisor. we'll be right back. the hoa has been very involved. these shrubs aren't board approved. you need to break down your cardboard. thank you. violation. violation. i see you've met cynthia. at least geico makes bundling our home and car insurance easy. and it does help us save a bunch of money. two inches over regulation. thanks, cynthia. for bundling made easy, go to geico.com

>> brennan: that's it for us today. thank you all for watching. and many of you about not able to attend fireworks last night or there were no fireworks displays to actually attend. so we want to leave all of you with some of the country's best displays. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan. ♪ captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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