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we go further, so you can. ( ticking ) >> rape is not a punishment for getting drunk. you deserve a hang over, a really bad hang over, but you don't deserve to have somebody insert their body parts insert their body parts
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>> whitaker: for years, chanel miller was known to the world simply as "emily doe," the name used in a court case to protect her identity. she was sexually assaulted in 2015 by a stanford university athlete named brock turner, who was found guilty of three felonies, including assault with intent to rape. before his sentencing, emily dom delivered a powerful victimpacte emotional trauma the assault and the legal process had put her through. it instantly went viral, becoming a kind of manifesto for assault survivors all over the world.
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chanel miller reclaimed her identity as the author of that statement and shared her story for the first time with "60 minutes" last september. as you'll see, she chooses her words carefully when she speaks, just as she did when she put them to paper for her best- selling book, "know my name." so this is where you write? >> chanel miller: mm-hmm. >> whitaker: for the last three years, chanel miller has been writing her own story. >> miller: here are some of the drafts. >> whitaker: the 27-year-old majored in literature at u.c.- santa barbara, and has wanted to be a writer since she was a child. she decided to relive the most painful experience of her life because she believes her story, filtered through the glare of the media and restrictive lens of the courtroom, remains untold. yeah, i'm sure it wasn't your top choice to write a book about this. >> miller: it's not the topic i would've chosen. but it was the topic i was
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given. >> audiobook director: so start at the top and let them have it. >> whitaker: we were there when she recorded her audiobook. >> miller: in january 2015, i was 22, living and working in my hometown of palo alto, california. i attended a party at stanford. >> whitaker: she didn't attend stanford university, but she grew up in its shadow. why'd you decide to go to a fraternity party? you were out of college at that time. >> miller: my sister was home for the weekend, and it was my way of spending time with her. >> whitaker: so people were drinking? >> miller: yes. a lot of red cups, like a typical fraternity scene. >> whitaker: do you remember having fun at the party? what were you doing? >> miller: i was dancing on top of a chair. and my sister was sort of coaxing me down, to stop embarrassing her. >> whitaker: chanel has never denied she drank a combination of whiskey, vodka and champagne. you drunout?
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four hours later in a hospital surrounded by nurses and a police deputy. she had abrasions all over her body. her hair was tangled with pine needles. >> miller: i had no idea how to put those pieces together. >> whitaker: how did they tell you what they thought had happened? >> miller: all they said was that i had been found, and that somebody had been arrested. and that he had been chased down because he had been acting hinky. "hinky" was the word the detective used. >> whitaker: did they tell you where you were found? >> miller: behind a dumpster. >> whitaker: what they didn't tell her was that her underwear and cell phone were found on the ground by her body. they also didn't tell her there were witnesses-- two of them-- who not only saw the attack--
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they stopped it. swedish grad students peter jonsson and carl arndt were riding their bikes to the party that night when they saw something disturbing behind the dumpster outside the frat house. >> peter jonsson: we see a couple lying on the ground, with one person on top of the other. >> carl arndt: he was moving a lot. but we just saw her lying there completely still. >> whitaker: they realized the woman was unconscious. jonsson says when he approached them, the man, later identified as brock turner, got up and ran. >> jonsson: i didn't really have time to think, so i just chased after him. i remember quite vividly. like, i was on his left side. and i got my right leg in front of him. and then i took my body, my upper body, and threw him over my leg and down on the ground. >> whitaker: so, carl, you go over to help peter hold brock turner down? >> arndt: yes.
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he was trying to get loose. >> whitaker: he was squirming, trying to get away? >> arndt: yeah.>> whitaker: did? >> jonsson: not super drunk. like, he could talk. >> arndt: and he clearly could run. >> whitaker: they held him until police arrived. they also checked on chanel. >> jonsson: she was completely unconscious. >> arndt: i was trying to, like, shake her, and nothing happened. >> whitaker: chanel was taken by ambulance to the hospital in san jose. early that morning, she was examined and told she may have been sexually assaulted. the deputy asked if she'd be willing to undergo a rape kit test. she agreed. did it sink in? the gravity of your situation? >> miller: absolutely not. i just thought i had passed out somewhere and that there was a suspicious man at the party who had behaving in an odd way. i had no idea that he was connected directly to me in any way. >> whitaker: chanel's sister, who had left the party early,
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and had been frantically calling and looking for her, got a call from chanel at the hospital, and came to pick her up. the sisters agreed not to tell anyone, not even their parents, until chanel knew more. for ten long days, she heard nothing-- not from the hospital, police, a counselor. nobody. what's going through your head? >> miller: in order to survive, you just shut everything down. you have to function. you have to go to work in the morning. so it's much easier to just repress everything. of course, i had questions. i woke up and didn't have underwear. why is that? no one tells me where it went. but you just have to keep living. >> whitaker: then one morning at her job at a small tech start-up in silicon valley, this item popped up on her newsfeed. the words "stanford," "rape," and "intoxicated, unconscious woman" leapt off the
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and she learned for the first time that her assailant had penetrated her, with his fingers at the very least. yound out wht happened to you? >> miller: yes. >> whitaker: reading an article online? >> miller: yes. it was surreal, having the news broken to me by the internet. i was alone, sitting at my desk, surrounded by coworkers, reading about how i was stripped and then penetrated and discarded in a bed of pine needles behind a dumpster. and that's how i figured out all of those elements. and they all added up. and i finally understood. >> whitaker: the name brock turner was mentioned in the had you arhis naef milleever.t r reading the article was read the comments.
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and there were many hateful words. > whitaker: what were some of the comments? >> miller: "what was she doing at a frat party?" "this isn't really rape." "why was she alone?" "she's the predator because she's older." "why would you ever get that drunk?" it was endless. >> whitaker: so what do you say to those critics? people who say, "you did drink until you blacked out. you did make yourself vulnerable." what do you say to those people? >> miller: rape is not a punishment for getting drunk. and we have this really sick mindset in our culture, as if you deserve rape if you drink to excess. you deserve a hangover, a really bad hangover, but you don't deserve to have somebody insert their body parts inside of you. hiker: the da it deputy distrittornealalehianl
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she would be handling th were there specific elements of this case that stood out to you? >> alaleh kianerci: i mean, the entirety of it, the fact that it was a stanford swimmer, who was an olympic hopeful. really a privileged athlete and student, so that stood out. the fact that it was so very clear to anyone who encountered chanel that evening that she was not conscious, that she was super intoxicated, so she was in no position to consent. >> whitaker: what did his privilege and stanford have to do with making this more difficult to prosecute? were looking at what brock turner had to lose, versus what he did to chanel. and so, the narrative changed. we were almost on the defense, explaining why chanel got too intoxicated instead of focusing the attention on, why did he think it was okay? why did he think that he could take advantage of her when she was in such a vulnerable state? >> whitaker: the case received
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international attention. the media couldn't resist the story of the fallen athlete from one of america's most prestigious schools. to protect her identity, chanel was dubbed "emily doe." turner was almost always identified by his accomplishments in the pool. when you saw the description of him as a champion swimmer on the stanford swim team, what did you think of that? >> miller: i didn't understand why it was relevant, when you're also reporting that my lower half was completely exposed, that my necklace was wrapped around my neck. that my hair was disheveled. that my bra was only covering one breast and the rest was pulled out of my dress. i don't understand why it is relevant how quickly he can move ntext t e.>> whiker: did you fet that description of him as a
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championship swimmer sort of changed the narrative? >> miller: yes. they were framing it like he had so much to lose, and were not focusing on what had already been lost, for me. >> whitaker: by then, she had told her boyfriend and parents. but despite their love and support, she felt alone. chanel told us she became angry, withdrawn, and deeply depressed. >> miller: i would just sit at work and do nothing. i would stare at the screen, and then i would come home and i wouldn't sleep. and so, physically, i began breaking down. >> whitaker: she didn't want anyone to know she was "emily doe," the woman in the news. four years later, the trauma remains just below the surface. >> miller: i felt if anyone ever found out that that was me, that
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it would be absolutely humiliating. i felt dirty and embarrassed. i-- my dream is to write children's books. i felt, no parent-- ( sighs ) --is going to want me as a role model, if i'm just the discarded, drunk, half-naked body behind a dumpster. nobody wants to be that. >> whitaker: how did you carry on? >> miller: well, when i was reliving all of this, i thought, "well, the same night the assault happened, a miracle also happened," which was that i was saved. and thinking of the two swedes
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who knew to do the right thing, and who wanted me really to be okay, always gave me hope. >> whitaker: so, they changed the story? >> miller: they changed the story. they changed the entire trajectory of my life. >> whitaker: when we come back, the trial, the sentencing, and chanel miller's compelling courtroom address to her assailant that would reverberate around the world. ( ticking ) are you still at risk for a heart attack or stroke? even if you're on a statin? statins may lower some risks, but may not be enough. that's why science delivered vascepa. for people who have persistent cardiovascular risk factors and take a statin only vascepa is clinically proven to provide 25% lower risk from heart attack and stroke. don't take vascepa if you're allergic to icosapent ethyl or any inactive ingredient in vascepa. tell your doctor about any medicines you take, and if you are allergic to fish or shellfish.
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>> whitaker: chanel miller was at the center of one of the most high-profile and consequential trials in recent memory. she was sexually assaulted in 2015 by brock turner, a former
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stanford university athlete, now a convicted felon. known during the contentious 2016 trial as "emily doe," a name used to protect her identity, chanel miller would become an anonymous icon for assault survivors the world over. as we reported last september, the trial and media scrutiny were traumatizing for the then- 23-year-old. what was it like when you finally realized that you were going to have to face brock turner in court? >> miller: it was absolute dread. and i went to a therapist, almost like a personal trainer, and said, "you have three weeks to get me mentally ready." but until then, i thought, "you have to drag me into the courtroom, because i'm not going to go." >> whitaker: the case would become a media maelstrom.
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chanel miller told us that as bad as the previous 14 months had been, nothing prepared her for the cold, adversarial and intimidating atmosphere inside the courtroom. >> miller: i remember standing outside the courtroom doors, and there's a very thin sliver of window in the door where you can look in. and i remember seeing the back of brock's head and his neck. and i thought, wow, this is-- this is him. >> kianerci: it is incredibly difficult for a victim of sexual assault to walk into court in front of their perpetrator and recount the worst thing that happened to them in a room full of strangers. >> whitaker: deputy district attorney alaleh kianerci had charged brock turner with three felony sex crimes. rape charges were dropped, because there was no evidence of intercourse, which was required in california at the time. but, she was convinced she had a strong case because of the two
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swedish eyewitnesses. >> kianerci: they were integral. without them, we would not know the identity of brock turner. they chased him down, and they physically held him down until police arrived. he's an athlete. this is somebody who got into school because of his, you know, physical prowess. and these are two engineering grad students. and they're really the most important reason why chanel didn't suffer a more devastating sexual assault. because i believe, and i argued this to the jury, that had they not stopped him, he would've completed the, the rape. >> whitaker: so what was the hardest part about making your case to the jury? >> kianerci: chanel had no memory. she was completely unconscious, or too intoxicated to remember the immediate moments before. so, we had a perpetrator who was able to write the script. >> whitaker: turner's first draft of that script was his police interrogation, conducted
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just hours after the attack. he told a detective he met chanel outside the frat house, they started kissing, and that he followed her, holding hands, behind the dumpster. he said he placed his hand between her legs and she seemed to enjoy it. he also told police he didn't recall running when the swedish grad students interrupted them. but when turner got on the witness stand 14 months later, his story changed. now, he said he recalled meeting and dancing with chanel inside the fraternity, asking her to go back to his dorm room, leaving together, slipping and falling and laughing. then he said he specifically asked her if he could touch her, intimately, and she said "yes."g from the swedish grad students,o bound by the truth.
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i thought those are the rules. that's how court works. >> whitaker: you wrote that this version of events sounded like a poorly-written young adult novel. >> miller: yes. there was a lot of tumbling and laughing. >> whitaker: sounds at great odds with what he said shortly after having been arrested. >> miller: it was all completely new. he had written a new narrative. >> whitaker: so, in this new narrative, you're in agreement? >> miller: the new narrative was extremely convenient, because he needed consent. he needed the word, "yes." >> whitaker: turner would add one more lurid detail-- he claimed under oath that she had climaxed. >> miller: oh, i was livid. i didn't understand why it had been allowed to go that far. >> whitaker: i think you told us before that you felt as though you had been assaulted a second time.
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>> miller: i felt like i was assaulted multiple times. every time you're reliving this. like, this is the list of body parts submitted as evidence. >> whitaker: the trial took its toll. the barrage of questions, the mortifying photos of her half- naked and unconscious body shown in open court, and worst, she says, turner's defense attorney constantly objecting and cutting her off to make her words fit his narrative. >> miller: and i remember in court, the defense attorney always said, "chanel has no chanel has no memory." and i remember sitting there and thinking, "i will remember everything. i will remember every remark. i will remember the lighting inside this courtroom. i will remember the texture of the defense attorney's hair. i will remember the depth of the pain you made me feel.
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i will remember it. and i will record it. and i will write it so that it will not be lost." >> whitaker: chanel poured all those memories, feelings, and frustrations into her memoir, "know my name." with anguish and humor, she takes on a criminal justice system she says fails the most vulnerable. i want to read something you wrote. "this was not a quest for justice but a test of endurance. swearing under oath was just a made-up promise. honesty was for children." that's what the courtroom experience felt like to you? >> miller: yes. after brock's testimony, it felt like all rules had been abandoned. he will go to any end to come out of this without a guilty conviction. and for me, it felt like, how many times can we make her relive this?
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>> whitaker: after all those traumatic days, you get the verdict. tell me about the verdict. >> miller: my heart was beating extremely loud. it was deafening. it was really hard for me to focus. and i was just waiting for the sound of guilty. >> whitaker: and she heard it. all 12 jurors found brock turner guilty of all three felony counts. but it wasn't over. the sentencing was two months away, and chanel was asked by the deputy d.a. to write a victim impact statement, a letter to the judge to inform his decision. >> miller: it's basically documentation of your thoughts and feelings throughout this process. and i majored in literature, which was basically four years of talking about my feelings and reading about other people's feelings. so i thought, wow, there's an assignment that exists in the
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world that i was made to do. >> whitaker: she had been keeping notes on her iphone throughout the process, and in one impassioned all-nighter, she wove them into a defiant, first- person narrative. a few days before the sentencing, she gave it to the prosecutor. >> kianerci: when i first read her letter, i immediately shared it with people because i thought, "this is so good. this is what we see victims go through, what we know that they go through, but it's never been summarized in such an articulate and profound way." >> whitaker: chanel recently read those words for her audiobook. >> miller: "your honor, if it is all right, for the majority of this statement, i would like to address the defendant directly. you don't know me, but you've been inside me. and that's why we're here today." >> whitaker: chanel spoke directly to her assailant in court. she says she noticed people crying. brock turner wouldn't look at her.
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>> miller: "your damage was concrete; stripped of titles, degrees, enrollment. my damage was internal, unseen. i carry it with me. you took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today." >> whitaker: as he handed down his sentence, judge aaron persky acknowledged chanel's words, but also cited the defendant's good character, the fact that he'd been drinking, and the impact prison would have on his life. judge persky sentenced turner to six months in jail-- a sentence at the low end of state guidelines. with good behavior, he'd walk free in 90 days. your prosecutor had been asking for six years. >> miller: yes. >> whitaker: how did that hit you?
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>> miller: i was in shock. so you're saying i just put aside a year and a half of my life, so he could go to county jail for three months. there are young men, particularly young men of color, serving longer sentences for non-violent crimes, for having a teenie-weenie bit of marijuana in their pockets. and he's just been convicted of three felonies. and he's going to serve one month for each felony. how can you explain that to me? >> whitaker: chanel didn't think her voice had been heard, but it had. the news wsiasubli impstatt without giving it much thought, she agreed. >> miller: i didn't think it would take off anywhere, and i actually felt really vulnerable again, thinking, "why am i putting myself out there one last time?"
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you know, "who's going to sit and read through this entire thing?" but then the views started trickling in, and soon it was 100,000, then 500,000. and by the end of the day, it was a million. >> whitaker: within four days, it hit 11 million. by then, her statement had been shared globally, published by newspapers, and read aloud in its entirety on tv. members of congress staged readings in the capitol: >> rep. ted poe: "you have dragged me through this hell, with you." >> whitaker: and so did people all over the world. >> youtube woman: "you don't know me, but you've been inside me." >> whitaker: and thousands of emails and letters addressed to "emily doe" flooded the courthouse, eventually making their way to her kitchen table. so these started coming in the next day? >> miller: the next day. and it was really like medicine. reading these was like feeling the shame dissolve, you know, bringing all the light in.
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>> whitaker: you heard from a number of survivors? >>ler:many survivors. and sometimes they would say, "you are the first person i'm telling this to," or "this is the first time i've been able to speak in six years." >> whitaker: in the wake of the sentencing, there was a national uproar. and, after a contentious special election, judge aaron persky became the first judge to be recalled from california's bench in more than 80 years. the case also led to significant changes in california law, setting mandatory prison sentences for anyone convicted of assaulting a person who is unconscious or intoxicated, and expanding the definition of rape to include nonconsensual sexual penetration. >> kianerci: i mean, that's democracy in action. within 90 days, a law was changed, all because of her words and her strength. >> whitaker: what do you think of that? >> kianerci: i'm extremely proud of that.
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i'll take the defeat of a light sentence for a change in the law. >> miller: two bills were signed into law by california governor jerry brown. alaleh mailed me a copy of the signed document, like a certificate that granted me the right to sleep peacefully, knowing this botched sentencing would not be repeated. i began to believe again in justice. >> whitaker: after the trial, brock turner was required to register as a sex offender. his appeal of his felony convictions was unanimously rejected by three judges. ( ticking ) >> cbs sports hq is presented by progressive insurance. friends, there is a new star a in the game of golf, 23-year-old collin morikawa from california takes pga championship, golf's first major in over a year with a final round 64.
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it's adorable. in 2016, the panda's conservation status was upgraded from endangered to just vulnerable. because the giant panda is china's national symbol, the chinese have worked four decades to perfect breeding the bears in captivity. this past fall we first told you how they've achieved one of the biggest successes in conservation. but there is more work to do. the next step is introducing captive pandas into the wild. that research slowed after a few freed bears were found dead. and, as you are about to see, no chinese scientist can afford to lose even one baby cute cat bear. in theigh mountains of china,goe
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pandas weren't discovered by western naturalists until 1869. today their fans know where to find them. each morning humans compete for position at the chengdu research base of giant panda breeding in central china. a ticket is about eight bucks. some days there are 100,000 visitors. so, yes, that's $800,000 a day. but the experience is priceless. if these bears were in the wild, they'd be rare and solitary. they would be in alpine forests as high as 13,000 feet and we saw, about 30 feet up, how they went unnoticed for so long. at the research base, each bear is known by name, liked online and wrapped in the flag. a selfie with china's national
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symbol, is a tap of patriotism. >> marc valitutto: when i'm out on the street, and if anybody asks me about what i do, i tell them, "i work with giant pandas," they immediately thank me. and then they follow it up with, "that is our national treasure." >> pelley: enriching the treasure is the work of marc valitutto, a wildlife veterinarian from the smithsonian institution in washington-- on loan to the chengdu research base. >> and so what we see here is actually a normal healthy panda lung and a normal healthy panda heart. >> pelley: the smithsonian has helped propagate pandas since china sent richard nixon home with a p 12. back then, china barely had two to spare. by the 1980s there were only about 1,200 left in china's bamboo forests, which humans were cutting down.
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is bamboo the only thing they eat? >> valitutto: 99% of their diet in the wild is bamboo. >> pelley: a forest is delivered every day to the chengdu base. the common name, "panda," means "bamboo eater." but because this member of the grass family is so low in nutrition, each bear spends up to 16 hours a day shredding 40 pounds of leaves and stems-- and that is hardly enough to keep him alive. so, the rest of the day, the bears burn as few calories as possible. even mating is incredibly rare. >> valitutto: only once a year can a female be prepared for breeding. and that is within a very small three-day window. >> pelley: a female panda is capable of breeding three days a year? >> valitutto: exactly. a very small time. >> pelley: a very small time for
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a very small bear. and, how old are these cubs? >> dr. wu kongju: one month. >> pelley: dr. wu kongju told us, when these cubs are newborn, they average about four ounces. the size of a stick of butter. and how many cubs do you bring into the world in a year? >> kongju: this year is five. five babies. ( squeak ) >> pelley: of the five cubs that are born here this year, how many do you expect to survive? >> kongju: all. >> pelley: all of them? >> kongju: all will survive. yeah. >> pelley: about half the time, pandas have twins, but the mother can't care for both. >> valitutto: in the wild, the smaller, the weaker twin will be mother doesn't have ghf ha babies. >> pelley: but in captivity, twins are fed in the nursery and, with a touch, mom is called to duty, to nurse the twins one at a time so both survive.
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the cub's eyes won't open for about six weeks, so mother helps him to her breast. and like every nursing mom-- a change of position helps. especially, when her back is killing her. the cubs are dependent up to three years. she'll raise only five, or maybe eight, in her lifetime. how big do they become? >> valitutto: so, the females can be up to maybe around 200 pounds, and the males up to 300 pounds. >> pelley: why are they black and white? >> valitutto: you know, that's a very interesting question. it's a mechanism to protect themselves, like many, many other animals out there that are black and white or various different colors. >> pelley: it's camouflage? >> valitutto: you know pandas love the snow. so, the white parts really helped them hide in the snow, where the black would be presumptive of shadows. >> pelley: the panda is a curious bear.
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belonged in the bear family. pandas don't hibernate. and though they're virtual vegetarians, they have the digestive tract of a carnivore. panda nutrition was a mystery when dr. hou rong came here nearly 30 years ago. she's director of research and told us that the base started as a shelter for injured pandas that had been rescued. "there were very few pandas," she said. "all of them were seriously ill, close to impossible to breed. we were also broke. i was the only scientist." you had a dozen pandas? >> dr. hou rong: yes. >> pelley: how many do you have now? >> rong: now is 200. >> pelley: 200 healthy pandas have grown from the research into nutrition and understanding those fleeting female hormones. it's gone so well that a new area of research has opened-- panda geriatrics.
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the bears live about 20 years in the wild, but up to 35 in the in 1937, a leading american naturalist described the giant panda as "an extremely stupid beast, dull and primitive." but marc valitutto showed us pandas understand commands. the whistle signals something good is about to happen- generally involving apple slices. then, on cue, the bear volunteered its arm, through the bars, to a metal tray and gripped a handle. it's having a blood test. >> valitutto: all of the pandas, the adult pandas here, arely tor their arm for a blood sample. it really helps us to prevent the animals from having to be anesthetized and allows the animal to be an active participant in their health.
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>> pelley: i've seen people throw a bigger fuss than he did. >> valitutto: they're incredibly complex creatures, just like many other bear species or carnivorous species like dogs and cats. >> pelley: like dogs, pandas come at the sound of their name. they know their day will start with apples and continue at the enless bamboo buffet. but success in captivity does not necessarily mean salad days for the species. to thr gic must come home to the wild. >> melissa songer: this is really an exciting time, because they're doing so well in captivity. and we can really consider them safe. that's not so for the wild populations. >> pelley: melissa songer is a smithsonian conservation
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biologist working at the foot of mount qingcheng, near the center of china. >> songer: this is the chengdu field research center and most people know it as panda valley. and it was established for the purpose of preparing captive pandas for release into the wild. >> pelley: one of the amazing things that we saw is how well trained they are. but it strikes me that that's a blessing and a curse. >> songer: they don't have the opportunity to learn how to find food or defend against predators. even mating is very complex in the wild. so yes, they're highly trained, but they aren't really trained to be in the wild. >> pelley: then do you train them to be wild? and-- and if so, how do you do that? >> songer: they're not going to be fed. they're going to have to move around and find food. and taking it step by step so acclimatizing them to a very different situation is an important phase before full release. >> pelley: like sending the kids off to college. >> songer: yeah. exactly. >> pelley: there are fewer than 2,000 wild pandas, living in only three mountainous provinces
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of china. they're segregated into small groups, cut off from one anoth >> songer: about half of those populations are less than ten pandas. and so that kind of puts them at risk for losing genetic diversity, it puts them at risk for other events, natural disasters, diseases that might come through. so, it's a dangerous number. >> pelley: to reduce the danger, two research bases are testing competing ideas. one, from a research station called wolong, minimizes contact with people-- to the point of dressing the trainers in panda suits that are scented with panda urine so the bears don't even get a whiff of humanity. the other approach encourages the human relationship, in case a panda needs to be rescued. while the bears walk on the wild side, they're monitored with radio collars in case they get
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into trouble. so far, 14 pandas have been released, three have died. but those few failures have slowed the research because if a panda is killed, it's not just some bear, it's a bear with a name, and a million "likes" on its web page. >> songer: any time you release a captive animal to the wild you're taking a risk. and you prepare as best you can, but there are things you can't really prepare for. >> pelley: one of the panda's who died was attacked by dogs, another appears to have fallen from a tree. the captive-born pandas take longer to establish territory but, for the most part, they fit in. china says it will soon spend more than a billion dollars on a 10,000 square mile panda national reserve to connect those pockets of wild bears. it suggests that species can be saved. .> valitutto: it absolutely
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but more than that, what's even better than the survivability of this species is that they are an umbrella species, meaning that the care that we provide for the pandas and the tracts of land that we preserve, will also save a whole multitude of other species that also need our care, that a lot of people don't even know about. >> pelley: which raises a fair question. if a multitude of species is saved, if climate benefits from five million acres of forest reserve, are we saving the panda or is the panda saving us? ( ticking ) ( ticking ) >> how do you raise a baby panda in captivity? at 60minutesovertime.com. allergies with nasal congestion overwhelming you?
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