captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan. this week on "face the nation," the pandemic continues to rage as the presidential race shifts into high gear, as president trump ramps up his campaign to discredit mail-in voting. >> the case against donald trump and mike pence is open and shut. >> brennan: joe biden named kamala harris as his running mate. >> we need a president and vice president willing to responsibility noas this prent, not my fault bin's proach is regressive and it is very defeatest. >> brennan: the attacks heat up, as th

that absentee ballots may not arrive by election day. >> president trump: they want to send in millions and millions of ballots. you see what is happening. they're being lost, they're being discarded, and they're finding them in piles. >> brennan: this morning white house senior advisor jared kushner weighs in, and we'll ask him about the breakthrough in the middle east he helped broker. >> this could be the worst fall, from a public health perspective, we have ever had. >> brennan: the c.d.c. suggests 200,000 americans could die from the coronavirus by labor day. wile schools juggle reopening. our guest, mississippi governor tate reeves, and chicago mayor, lori lightfoot, where all classes will be remote in september. we'll talk with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb, and we'll talk with dmitricothat itd

hackers in the 2016 u.s. presidential election. plus, and the heels of as historic election, our tracker looks at kamala harris in the race, and we remember 100 years of women suffer rage.age, tht's all ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." our new normal in the u.s. has become persistent coronavirus infections and deaths. each day this week, there were over 50,000 new cases and more than a thousand 's we stuck as we head into what the c.d.c. director said this week could be the worst fall we've ever had. we begin this morning with cbs news nationalrrenmark strassmann in decur, as hools

>> te lth>> rr: not cunties report covid patients. not and georgia, where they have quarantined 1200 students and staff. >> i hope people who can't wear masks stay home. >> reporter: on college campuses, it is move-in day for the virus. >> everyone is kind of freaking out. >> reporter: two dorms and a fraternity at the university of north carolina report outbreaks. in one week, notre dame reported 44 positive cases. >> it didn't seem safe, so tates kind of sticking to0 have rising covid cases, and cold fron covid deaths are n nine states. four of the area are in south texas, despite the state closing bars and

mandating masks. >> it is easy to get a sense of fatigue. it is easy to want to stop having to comply with those sting the tampa area: either reopen schools or he will bankrupt the school system by withholding up to $2 million in state aid. >> it would be really bad policy to deny those other parents the opportunity to resume in-person instruction for their kids. >> reporter: but criticism about bad covid policy has dogged others. florida remains a global epicenter for the vir iakemp, ha adamantly opposed madating masks. but after a report criticized his attempts, he has backed off. his new executive order will allow cities to require masks. there really is no covid

playbook. margaret? >> brennan: thank you. we now go to bedminster, new jersey, where president trump's advisor and his son-in-law, jared kushner joins us. good morning to you, and i want to extend our condolences to your family. i know the president's brother died yesterday. >> thank you very much. the president loved his brother very much. he was able to see him the day before yesterday. and his brother was very proud of him. and obviously a very tough moment for the president, but he is looking forward to continuing o do great things and make his brother proud. >> brennan: i'm sure. thank you. i do want to get to some business here. jared, you have a wide portfolio on the issue of crooners. on wednesday, we had over 1500 deaths in this country in a single day. that brings us back to the kind of rate we were at in the month of may. you heard the c.d.c. director, they are projecting 200,000 deaths by labor day. do you believe the

administration has control of the virus, and what u'ne wrong? >> right. so back in may, i believe the rate was about 2500 deaths a day, so we're still below that peak. we have seen over the last two weeks that hospitalizations have come down. the president has taken a very aggressive approach, not in the hotspots, but also in what we call the ember cities to push all of the different measures we can take, like wearing a mask, social distancing, using best practice. but the president has really advanced the use of a lot of therapeutics, which is bringing the faltlity rate down. the fastest vaccine ever to a face three trial was 13 monndside d itin fournths candidates entm point we'll get to the other end of this pandemic. in the meantime, all different countries and all different states are

trying different things. we've been speaking to a lot of governors, and we're making sure that all of the different states have all of the resources they need, given the data they see on the ground. >> brennan: i want to know, though, what is the actual conviction of the task force at this point? is it to contain the spread of the virus, or is it to, as dr. atlas, the new advisor to the task force says, really just isolate and protect vulnerable, high-risk individuals? >> well, look, we know a lot more than we did five months ago. when we did 15 days to slow the spread, it wasn't viru was alobal pandemic, it was infecting all over the country. it was to slow the spread and make sure we had the reso lot more knowledge about who the virus targets, and we've created lots of ways to help people who do get it have a much more benign

experience with it. we're entering a much more strategic approach, which we'll be taking, until we have a fully approved vaccine. we're trying to optimize for the best results possible. even dr. fauci this week said that lockdowns are not the answer, and we need to find a way to use the resources we need in order to live as normal a life as possible, while taking the restrictions that will help us save as many people as possible and to keep our economy as healthy as possible. so that when this is over, we haven't destroyed our country in order to get through it. >> brennan: right. but what is the strategy in terms of -- are you loing at containing? because if you listen to dr. atlas, this new advisor, he has talked about protecting the vulnerable. but according to the c.d.c., 45% of adults, half of americans, hav co-morbidities, asthma, diabetes, being overweight.

a huge portion of the united states is yink you have control of the virus? >> yeah, but if you look at the people who unfortunately have succumb to the virus, most of them are over 70, and most have been in nursing home. so we've been doubling and tripling down to getting the right p.p.e. to the nursing homes. i came on today to talk about the historic breakthrough that the president achieved for peace in the middle east. this has been a strategy we've been working on for the past three and a half years. >> brennan: i do want to talk to you about that, sir. >> the president took criticism for these actions. he takes a common-sense approach, based on science and data. i think you're seeing the president continuing to work with the governors and everyone to bring forward the best pos in oo th tcome lef the virus. before we move yo a rent. there are a lot of nervous parents out there. are you sending your

children back to in-person education in a classroom? >> absolutely. the rate, again -- >> brennan: you're not concerned -- >> no. because, again, children have a six times higher chance to die from the flu than from the coronavirus. so based on the data i've seen, i don't believe that is a risk. again, this virus impacts different people in different ways. we know a lot more now than we did, and our school is not opening up five days a week -- i wish they were -- but we absolutely will be sending our kids back to school and i have no fear in doing so. >> brennan: i want to ask you about the eleiddle east.cet leto about 46 states saying that mail-in ballots may not arrive in time by election today. you were deeply involved in 2016, and president trump performed better with voters 65and older. they might be vulnerable and nervous about

in-person voting. are you wor disfranchise some of your voters by not giving aid to the postal service now? >> i'll give you a quick answer on that: number one, dr. fauci said this week there should be no fear for people to go out and vote in person. number two, i have a friend in new jersey who just got married, and she got sent two ballots, one in her old name and one in her new name. i think what president trump wants is a fair system. if you have a tried and true system, where the are some security mechanisms built-in, that's acceptable. but you ca can't have a new system and expect americans to have confidence in the election. people wnt crais coir on your owapaign? >> l w greatopation. wery confidter shn 2016.

we have more than a million volunteers in the field, and 1500 paid staff, and we think we have a great opportunity. again, just like president trump achieved the historic middle east deal, which i hope we'll get to talk about, he continues to die f defy others. americans are tired of politicians who come to washington and do not get anything done. president trump delivers results, and that's what the people want. >> brennan: and many of the voters would like to vote safely by mail. on the middle east, there were israeli airstrikes, fired off rockets.tants doesn't this underscore that the conflict remains unaddressed with what you just negotiated? what is your response? do you have outreach to the palestinian authority?

>> look, in the last 26 years, this is the first peace agreement that we've had between israel and the united emirates, between an arab country and jewish country coming together -- >> brennan: 100% is a significant breakthrough -- i'm speaking not about the u.a.e. and israel, but the escalation overnight that just happened. >> i'll get to that. number one, you have a lot of people in the region who (a) want to be stuck in the past and to be stuck in old conflicts. president has refused to w odictag people to have economic prosperity, and that's what president trump has realigned the region around. people in hamas and gaza have had the same business plan for the past 10 years, and the international community has been stupid enough to

allow them to get away with it. >> brennan: there is no outreach -- >> i think we're dealing with israel. and this flares up every now and then. we outreached to the palestinians. the people of gaza are being held captive by hamas, which is basically a terrorist organization. we have a plan on the table if they're willing to commit to peace and have a real security environment, not some of the b.s. things that have been done in the past, we have an economic plan that can go in and reduce the poverty rate by over 50%, and double their g.d.p. but unfortunately the palestinian people are hostages to very poor leadership. but we can't allow that to hold the whole region back. president trump has tried to realign it around future thinking. this goes to all of the things we were talking about. president trump is a

business guy, a leader, a deal-maker. he looks at things rationally with common sense and pushes them forward in a way that makes sense, like w s historic agreement. >> brennan: jared kushner joining us from new jersey this morning. thank you. we'll be back in one minute with chicago's mayor lori lightfoot. stay with us.

>> brennan: we go to chicago where protests turned violent late yesterday, and at least 17 officers were injured and 24peopl people were arrested. mayor lightfoot is there. thank you for joining us. can you address for us why itt you hoped protests would remain peaceful and you wouldn't see a repeat of last sunday. you called last sunday a planned attack. is that what happened this time? >> mayor: unfortunately what we've seen in cities all across the country,

is plehavehicago, is a wprts mss embedded themselves in these seemingly peaceful protests and have come for a fight. what happened yesterday was really over very quickly because our police department has resolved to protect peaceful protests, but we're absolutely not going to tolerate people who come to these protests looking for a fight, and are intending to injury our polce officers and injury innocent people who just come to express their first amendment rights. that is a very different thing tha wha than what happened da last sunday was absolutely a planned attack. it is not spontaneous when you bring u-haul trucks and high-end -- >> brennan: but who are you working with? >> we're working with our federal partners to identify exactly who the ring leaders are.

we're actively pursuing cases against others. we're determined to make sure we ring those responsible for this organized crime effort to justice. >> brennan: the white house has warned that chicago may be transforming into a hot spot. are you concerned that what is happening, these mass gatherings, will accelerate that further?nterdid. we saw lot of masked gatherings in late may, early june. of course we're concerned. if you look across the country, virtually every state has been blowing up with new covid cases. and in a number of states there is a slight decline in the cases, there is still such a high level that that is a problem. and as people travel from one jurisdiction to the next, that prese jurisdictions. chicago has seen a steady increase in cases. that has been driven by

our 18 to 29-year-old cohorts. we've got to breakthrough to our young people that they are not immune to this virus. we're continuing to see an increase in the lati latinx community, and we want to bring the case rates down. >> brennan: the public schools in chicago have said they're going to go online for the fall. >> mayor: right. >> brennan: how are you going to determine, as a city, when it is safe to go back. you're concerned about community spread right now, but at what point do you say it is okay to put kids back in the classroom? >> mayor: thinking about the schools is a complex problem. one, it is not just the students themselves. it is the entire eco-system of the school. you've got teachers, you've got principals, and you've got staff. we're looking at chicago, and we have a nuf teachers and support staff who are over 60. we know that those are a

still vulnerable population. we have a number of people that work in the school system who have underlying medical conditions. so thinking about the school is a comple complicated endeavor. we have decided we're going all remote. we have offered a program to connect 100,000 houses for free with wi-fi oadbanbecause we know that is critically important to enhance the learning environment for our young people when we're doing remote people -- >> brennan: will you getting everything you need from the federal government. you heard mr. kushner saying there is so much being provided. >> we're never going to get everything we need from the federal ehvernment would be inthe seen at thlment the whithouse fighting,

the c.d.c., the h.h.s. high jectinhijacking reporting processes. we still don't have a federal mask policy. the chaos at the federal level has not been helpful to anyone, not chicago, illinois, are states across the country. >> brennan: during senator harris' own presidential bid, progressives challenged her past record as a prosecutor. do you think that is still a liability going into the fall? >> i do not at all. look, the proof is in the pudd thlevel of enthusiasm that has come this week from the announcement that she would be the vice president, she really is inspiring a number of constituencies. of course, women, and of course the indian and south asian community, and, of course, black women in particular. the enthusiasm for this ticket is so high, and people are excited. in the midst of all of

what is going on, the concerns, the anxiety, the fear, the anger, people need something to hold on to. they need hope. and that's why the biden/harris ticket really provides, steady leadership, leadership that is going to speak truth to power, and it is going to lead us through this difficult time. the contrast between biden/harris and trump/pence could not be more great. >> brennan: all right. mayor lightfoot, thank you for joining us. we'll be right back. >> mayor: thank you very much. ♪ come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag.

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direction. 96 are toss-ups. a candidate needs 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. former vice president biden leads in our national poll of likely voters. he is up byanced that kamala harris would be his candidate. we asked anthony salvanto if that choice energized democrats? >> it certainly seems to have given democrats what they were looking for. first of all, democrats say they oveasied andt are enthusiastic about it. and importantly, look at the groups inside the party. you talk to liberals and the very liberal, voters who were with joe biden, but not all, in the early primaries and they're glad she was picked. you look at the african-american vote, so central to democrats' chances, they are enthusiastic about the pick. and maybe most of all,

democrats say they feel having harris on thets chces inn important calculus for democrats all year. it is a big reason that democrats voted for joe biden in the primaries because they liked his odds this november. if the test of a v.p. pick is whether it gives the party what they are looking for, democrats are telling us, yes, biden has passed. >> brennan: as biden and harris go into the democratic national convention, democratic voters are looking for the focus on them as a ticket. 86% want to hear good things about biden and harris, as opposed to 14% looking for criticism of president trump and vice vice-president pence. cbs news will have coverage of docratic national convention tomorrow night. tune in.

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♪ >> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we now go to the state of mississippi. joining us is the governor, tate reeves, who is in jackson this morning. good morning to you, governor. according to -- >> governor: morning, margaret. thanks for having me on. >> brennan: according to johns hopkins, your state has a positivity rate of 23%, which is the highest in the nation, when it comes to covid infections. where are you headed going into a fall that the c.d.c. warns could be the worst eve but what i can tell you in our state we peaked with a seven-day average of 1,391 cases on july the 29th. as of yesterday, we have brought that number down considerably to 728 cases per the state of ssissii, for a

ven-ailing age. ctost t the toumber of cases on a daily basis in half just over the last two and a half weeks. what that shows us is our mitigation measures are working. i will tell you, what we've learned in these last six months, if you will maintain social distancing and if you will wear a mask, you can really curb the amount of transmission in the community, and you can actually maintain a relatively normal life. >> brennan: but you're state -- i'm looking at a statement from your state health officer. it says that you have 11 hospitals with zero i.c.u. beds currently available. ee dan dot you need to ta characterizing this as under control, but it looks like your medical system could be overwhelmed. >> governor: well, margaret, i think you may be looking at data that is two or three weeks old -- >> brennan: no.

this is from a briefing this week from your state health officer. >> governor: we have cut the number of cases in half. we had 1392, and we're down to about 700 right now. do we have hospital issues? we do. but in our state and virtually every state across america, we have hospital bed issues even when there is not covid-19. we have 150 i.c.u. beds available throughout the state of mississippi, and we have over 450 ventilators available throughout the state of mississippi. while we've got challenges, we're certainly dealing with it. and we also know very clearly that hospitalizations and fatalities are a lagging indicator with the covid. so whawe'th transmission wfoeeks ago. >> brennan: you, with your schools -- you have decided to send the majority of children i tate back to

in-person learning. about 300,000 kids are back in the classrooms. you've had about 109 cases of covid, and you've quarantined roughly 500 students due to some cases. why not shut down the schools? and what is your thinking in deciding that? at what point does it get to an affection spread that makes you not just quarantine but shot down the schools? >> governor: well, that's a great question, and the reason is very simple, and it is really what dr. redfield with the c.d.c. has said. when you're talking about opening schools, you're with respeoht mitig deceepublica covid-19, and health with ecvingot bee six month>>ant as scarenou hvenit is infection in it, which you have, why don't you shut it down?

>> governor: wee very objective measures in place to shut down schools if and when that becomes necessary. keep this in perspective. you said yourself we have 300,000 kids in classrooms. we've had approximately 100 cases that have been confirmed positive. and what i'll tell you is, we've yet to find one that the transmission occurred inside the school in virtually every sin single one of these cases, they've gotten the virus outside of the community and brought it back into the schools. the point is: no kid, whether they're in school or not, is completely immune from getting the virus. we've got to take measures to make sure those kids have the opportunity to leae,o op that community spread, as the white house has asked some states to do. >> governor: we have significantly limited bars. >> brennan: right, they close at 11 p.m. in mississippi, you can request a ballot up to one day before an election.

your state was identified by the postal service where mail-in voting can be delayed. are you confident that all mail-in ballots in the state of mississippi will be counted in november? >> governor: i'm confident that the ballots that are legally cast in the state of mississippi will be counted. >> brennan: what do you mean "legally cast." >> governor: every vote that is legally cast in the state of mississippi will be counted in the november election. all sellotare that once counted, that donald trin t o igssissipp but if someone doesn't feel safe going to a polling booth and wants to vote by mail, you don't allow for that right now. why not? >> governor: we do not allow mail-in voting in the state of mississippi. we think that our elections process, which has been in place for

many, many years, ensures we have a fair process, in which we have the opportunity to limit fraud. we still have fraudulent claims every single election -- >> brennan: you have a positivity rate of 23%? aren't you worried about the health -- >> governor: it's just reality. >> brennan: first of all, that's not substantiated. you have a positivity rate of 23% in the state of mississippi. can you tell people that they can go to the voting booths and not get covid? why don't you offer the option for someone who is afraid of their health, someone with asthma, someone with diabetes, so w i overweight, to send in their ballot by mail? >> governor: we're not going to allow them to send in the ballot unless they legally qualify for -- >> brennan: what i'm asking is why not allow them to qualify based on those co-morbidities or

those concerns -- >> governor: that is not what mississippi state statute allows for. we're going to have an election and have a huge turnout in november. we've already had multiple elections in the past three months. we've had very good turnout in every single one of those elections. we've had fair elections. and we've had a winner and a loser. and we're going to do the same thing in november. >> brennan: all right. no intention to change that. thank you, governor. we'll be right back with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. stay with us. come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag. simple. done.

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are right now that we're at these levels and where are we headed? >> doctor: it has been fairly persistent. we thought we would see deaths peak and start to come down as the epidemics in the southern states started to decline. but there have been -- we've had over a thousand deaths a day for at least two weeks, over 50,000 infections a day on average. we hit 55,000 in the last day. hospitalizations have come down a little bit, but they haven't started to decline very rapidly. as the cases start to decline in the southern states, arizona, texas, florida, we're starting tosee in other parts oftrrniasti creasing. oahatitt is arizona. and we now have 14 states with positivity rates above 10%. mississippi at 21%. nevada, 17%. florida at 18%.

there are still a lot of states with pretty high positivity rates. >> brennan: in talking with mr. kushner, he said most people dying are over 70, and he talked about his confidence sending his kids back to in-person classroom education, saying that children have six times higher chance of dying from the flu than covid. do you know where those numbers come from? does that sound right to you? >> doctor: i don't know where the six times comes from. we need to be careful, i think, about making comparisons to flu. this infectionibeen at prevalent as the flu. maybe there are three million kids infected with this. the flu is expected in upwards of 11 million kids every season. and it causes a fair degree of asymptomatic infection. with the flu, we see upwards of 400 tragic

deaths a year. we've already seen 90 deaths from covid in children. it probably hasn't been as prevalent in kids. and we have indications of the multi-system inflammatory infection, which has infected about 500 kids. i think we need to be careful about making a comparison to the flu, relative to covid. >> brennan: the c.d.c. said this week that people who recovered from covid aresseially immune forat least . what do we know about immunity? >> dae firsty they could say with certainty that for at least three months you have immunity that would guard against reinfection. people who have been exposed to covid who have had infection in the last three months, don't have to self-quarantine. that doesn't mean you're not going to have immunity for a longer period of time. the study just looked at three months. covid hasn't been around long enough to study

long-term immunity in a practical way. it is a case you'll have a period of immunity that can last six to 12 months. people will have less immunity and some will have slightly more. it is good news if they're able to document that people have sterile immunity, they're not going to get infected for at least three months, and probably longer that af infection. >> brennan: this concept of herd immunity, how close are we to that? what do you think? >> doctor: probably a long way from herd immunity. maybe 8% of the population as a whole has been exposed to this. in outbreak states like arizona, it might be higher, closer5%, based on some modelly, maybe as high as 20% intain modeling, and certain percent in texas. it is getting closer to a level of immunity where the rate of transmission will start to decline.

you'll see declines in the rate of transmission because of that level. and there is speculation about t-cell immunity, whether pple have some residual immunity. we do know now that people who had prior infection with coronavirus, other coronaviruses, they have t-cells that cross-react with this particular coronavirus. whether that confirms level of immunity has to be demonstrated. probably if it does, it is helping prevent you from getting covid the disearothtion anbeble to. >> brennan: thd at mecessant distributor there be a distributor of supplies, and also the military is ready. do you think it should be a profit sector or the

government -- >> doctor: i think the government should lethe prate c. they know how to distribute vaccines. if the government tries to take physical possession of the vaccines and distribute them, that could lead to hiccups and delays in getting vaccines to the consumers. what they should be doing is directing the existing supply chain where allocate those supply chains based on who the vaccines are ultimately approved for. whether they're approved for frontline health workers or authorized for people who are at higher risk. i wouldn't try to recreate the wheel here. i would use the existing supply chain that has worked quite well to distribute vaccines very quickly. the flu vaccine very efficiently through the existing supply chain. >> brennan: okay. so if and when we get there. thank you very much, dr. gottlieb. we'll be right back.

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>> brennan: we want to turn to the question of election security. we go to dmitri alperovitch, the former technology officer of crowdstrike, a cyber technology company. good morning to you. i want to ask you, since

you watch this closely, what is the area of concern for you in election 2020? >> well, my biggest i cyber security expert is, of course, the hackability. i can tell you from my experience, voting is the hardest thing to secure when it comes to cyber security. it is literally the hardest problem out there. and the only way to do it safely is by paper. whether it be by mail-in ballots or the paper ballot that you can mark up. those of the safest ways. the other way is to drop it off, something that is not getting a lot of attention, that we can have dropoff boxes on the curb side, where people can drff themai rity expystt s that paper route

that the president has raised saying it greatly concerns him. he says the biggest risk wein ballots, universal mail-in ballots. he claimed foreign entities could interfere. he rattled off russia, china, iran, north korea, with mail-in ballots. what do you make of that statement? >> well, paper cannot be hacked. however, there is a legitimate concern about logistics. i'm not so much concerned about foreign entities interfering, but we need to make sure that states are prepared to take in the huge number of mail-in ballots that will come in, and they can do the signature verification to maurere iso can be donrs ad colorado, ure y ready now versus tho talk to

people in the government, and why wasn't there a strategy to do what you just laid out? >> i think we haven't been preparing for this, and a lot of people were assuming that the disease would go away in a few months. of course it is still here, and now a lot of people are kilometers per concet voting in person. and we need to make sure they can do so safely. >> brennan: but there wasn't a federal strategy to have the states do what you said they should have been doing for the past four years? >> well, this is hard to do because, of course, the federal government is not in charge of elections. the individual states and municipalities are in charge of them, so it is up to the states to do this. new jersey just declared they'll do ain voting in novber, bstdamp up their capabilities. >> brennan: when you said you were concerned about election infrastructure, the u.s. intelligence community has warned that adversaries are trying to access candidates' private communications and

election infrastructure at the state and the federal level. the nationsident was on this program last sunday, and he said russia and china are doing this, going phishing, essentially, on websites and the like. he has been criticized for mixing apples and oranges. i'm wondering what evidence you have seen as to what russia and china are actually doing? >> there are different ways to interfere in our elections. we have seen the past the russians in 2016, hacking into compaigns, and leaking that information out to the public, to wikileaks on the channels. we haven't seen that this year, but, of course, we still have a few months to go. and there are the influence operations they're conducting, and a number of countries are doing that, china, iran, and not just around elections. it is connuous n ial media, official media channels, and even government statements. the third thing tha te

infrastructure itself. vote reporting systems, those are very, very vulnerable to hacking, and we need to be doing more to do protect them. i know the federal security system is doing a lot, but more needs to be done. >> brennan: is there anything people at home can do to make sure their vote gets counted? >> absolutely. two things. one, everyone can participate not just as a voter, but also volunteer. reacto yur county election officials, ask if you can help. they're going to need a lot of help this year because of the challenging situations we have. most importantly, be patient. this may be the first modern election we have where we may not know who the president is the night of the ele days latele up, it may b ae. >> bre we're preparing the coffee already in the news business. thank you very much, dimitri, for your

perspective. we'll be right back. ♪

>> brennan: this week marks the 100th anniversary of women obtaining the right to vote. as we commemorate the moment, we remember they weren't given the ri,ought .ngl to t constitution, "the vote shall not be denied on account of sex," two decades. amid a pandemic and

devastating world war, sufferages like alice wall picketed the white house, endured jailed and a hunger strike. a scandalized massachusetts congressman implored congressman to ignore the nagging. dismissing sufferages as bewildered creatures with short skirts and short hair. but they persisted. so did carrie hatt, who went state to state, swaying local registers to rad fight thrafy thamendment. thached the 36 states on august 13th, 1920. days later, the amendment was adopted, and suddenly more than 20 million women were able to vote in the presidential election that was 11 weeks away. we often think of enfranchisement as a natural democratic evolution. but it wasn't easy to convince men to share

power. it was a bare-knuckled fight. prior. ani wish i knew how my great grandmothers felt. i do know that by the time mary bernan walked into a hells kitchen voting booth for the first time, she had already taught her husband to read and write, and buried two of their six children in the pandemic. life was not easy, and for women of color, the 19th amendment was just a start. the jim crowe barriers that kept blacks from fully exercising their rights were not dismantled until 1965. this week, for the first time, a woman of color joined a major party presidential ticket. >> joe, i'm so proud to

stand with you. and i do so mindful of all the heroic, ambitious women before me who sacrificed, had determination, and resill resilience. >> brennan: there are now a record 127 women legislators on capitol hill, that's progress but not parity. the equal rights amendment drafted back in the 1920s still hasn't become law. and the fight for a more today. thank you for watching. cbs news will have continuing coverage of the democratic national convention this week. the republican one, next week. and next sunday we'll see you right back here. for "face the nation," i'm

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