captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington, and s unconventionalce the political conventions, the spotlight turns to the republicans to make their case that president trump deserves a second term. with the democratic convention now a wrap, its message was loud and clear, and far more negative than in years past, but in 2020, there is no business as usual. >> the current president's cloaked american darkness for far too long. too much anger. too much division. >> this administration has shown it will tear our democracy down, if that's what it takes for them to win.

>> brennan: the contrwie ews poll shows views om republicans. cound. make sure, because the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. >> brennan: that kind of talk from mr. trump has fueled a furious political battle over the postal service. we'll have the latest on efforts to ensure your vote gets counted. plus, we'll hear what the g.o.p. has planned this week from the head of the republican party. biden national campaign co-chair mayor e eric garcetti will also join us. and will the convention be overshadowed by the arrest of former campaign aide stephen bannon. he has been charged in a fundraising scheme to build the border wall. this as a committee concluded that paul manafort's ties to russia pose a grave

counterintelligence threat during the 2016 campaign. we'll talk with the former head of the f.b.i., james comey. and we'll get the latest on the coronavirus from dr. scott gottlieb, and then talk with the robert robins, as some schools are forced to make dramatic changes in their covid era learning plans as children head back to school. it is all ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." with just 10 weeks until election day, former vice president joe biden has maintained his 10-point lead over president trump, following the democratic convention, according to our cbs news battleground tracker. and there is yet another scandal facing theent on tof his convention, into audio

recordings have surfaced of president trump's sister, mary, sha brother. cbs news has obtained those tapes, but we have not independently verified their authenticity. weijia jiang reports. >> reporter: the recordings paint president trump as a liar who does not read, and even paid someone to take his s.a.t.s. this morning mark meadows brushed off the statements on abc, saying just another day and another attack. president trump's niece, mary trump, who recently released a book criticizing her uncle, allegedly recorded conversations she had with her aunt in 22019.s a federal je at the time and said her brother is, quote, "cruel." >> all he wants to do is appeal to his base. he has no principles. none. none. and his base, i mean, my

god, if you're a religious person, you want to help people, not do this. >> reporter: president trump spent the week waging a personal war on mail-in voting. >> president trump: this will be one of the greatest catastrophes in the history of our country, that's how serious it is. and they all think i'm trying to steal an election. just the opposite, i want the fair results of an election. >> reporter: but democrats are convinced the president is trying to control the outcome of the election by slashing resources to the u.s. postal service, which could cause ballots to be delivered too late to count. >> don't pay any attention to what the president is saying because it is all designed to suppress the vote. >> the bill is passed. >> reporter: in a rare ervice billion to help process ballots. republican lawmakers

agreed with president trump. >> this bill is a sham. we are piling up money. we might as well put it on the national mall, have a bonfire. >> reporter: the bill would also reverse recent operational changes that resulted in nationwide mail delays, forcing the return of machines and mailboxes that were already removed. a new cbs news battleground tracker finds three-fourths of republicans believe they are better off now than they were four years ago. arrepublicans also agree with mr. trump's handling of the economy, with 67% sayig it is in good condition. president trums o participate every night of the republican national convention, which kicks off tomorrow. campaign officials say he will present a contrast to the, quote, "dim and dark view of the country that democrats offered." and the president's chief-of-staff promises americans will see a new side of the president.

margaret? >> brennan: thank you. we turn now to republican national committee chair ronna mcdaniel, who joins us from charlotte. good morning to you. >> good morning. great to be with you. >> brennan: i know you're quite busy. the r.n.c. nomination formally of president trump is scheduled for tomorrow. will he be in charlotte at all? can you tell us anything about what to expect? >> well, he will be in north carolina, unlike joe biden, who didn't go to wisconsin, the state where he held his event. the president hasn't confirmed if he is going to come by charlotte yet, but we have the delegates here. >> brennan: the a.p. is reporting that the secretary of state, mike pompeo, will be addressing the forum from israel, where he is on official business. this lineup, when you start hearing about cabinet members being involved, first of all, it's very unusual for diplomats to get involved in domestic politics, but

it starts to look like using taxpayer-funded resources for a campaign. will tax taxpayers be reimbursed? >> it is going to be paid for by the convention of the r.n.c. and the campaign. everything we have put together has changed because of covid. the president rightly said we're going to leave jacksonville because we don't want to have resources taken away from a city that is dealing with a pandemic, and he brought it back to the white house, which is his residence, and it is being paid for by the republican taxpayer committee and the >> brennan: so you are saying that pompeo's trip will be reimbursed by the campaign? >> i am just saying that the programming, the staging, everything we're doing will be paid for by the republican national committee and the campaign. >> brennan: you will have, as you said, some

in-person activity there in charlotte. i heard you have somethi there for offbusiness. how you gnprotect th ng u know, margaret, i think it is really important to understand that the democrats and joe biden journalist said we'r -- just said we'regoing toy down again. from a safety perspective, we tested everybody before they came to charlotte. we have been test peop onsite. we're doing the things that will allow people to live their lives, have a convention, and do it in a healthy and safe way. which most americans are doing as they're going bacback to work, gong to grocery stores. and the democrats are saying, shut it all down. that is easy for hollywood celebrities and privileged politicians, but that is not good for average americans. >> brennan: i want to ask you about the election itself. the president says he

expects it to be one of the most, if not the, most fraudulent election in history. but the republican party in iowa has mailed absentee ballots to voters, the g.o.p. website is promoting vote by mail. why is the republican party promoting something that the president says he is against? >> i'm so glad you asked me this question. there is a very big difference between states that have tried and true absentee processes that have been in place have been tested and worked. versus states like nevada, which 90 days from an election have up ended their protocol and put chaos in their process because they haven't tested -- >> brennan: but why does the president think they can't handle --s o unverified voter rolls. i just talked to a voter this week who said she

received three ballots for a different woman at a person at her address -- >> brennan: a ballot or anic ballot? >> an actual ballot. they're not sending absentee request forms. they're sending live ballots, which i think is a huge problem. >> brennan: the republican parties in these states is promoting mail-in voting -- >> no, we're promoting people embracing the absentee processes that have been put in place that are tried and true. and we're suing states that ar out from an election, which is adding chaos where we should have certainty. >> brennan: cbs news has a battleground tracker out, and it is showing a big divide between how republicans view the reaction to coronavirus and how voters see it. 73% say it is going well,

and 38% of all voters say it is going well by comparison, and 50% of republicans say the number of dead is acceptable at 170,000 people. 33% of independents say it is acceptable, just 10% of democrats. how could that number be acceptable, and why is there such a big divide how republicans see it and how the majority of people do. >> i think th reallyai of course, re in this ith the president of the united states, who wants to see people pass away from this global pandemic, that came here from china, not being honest, from the w.h.o. fail in their one duty, their one duty to identify a pandemic, and they failed the global community. let's be honest, republicans do not want to see people suffering from this pandemic. we have all been affected by this. this is not a republican or democratic issue --

>> brennan: so you say that number is acceptable? >> no, of course not, margaret. this is a global pandemic. nobody wants to see somebody die from this. i have frnds die from this. this is not something people want. but the president's response has saved lives by shutting travel early, which joe biden zenophobic -- >> brennan: from china, but not europe -- >> from china and europe. you didn't here joe biden come out and say we should shut down travel from china or europe. they have opposed this president every step of the way. in a time of crisis, when we should be coming together as americans, this should not be politicized. >> brennan: where area where republicans differ from voters over all is on the black lives matter movement. most voters nationwide agree with the idea of it, and two-thirds of the republicans strongly disagree. eight in 10ref

thinking hurt republicans' chances of making gains with black voters? >> i think there is a big distinction between the words black lives matter and the movement, which has been led by people who embrace marxism, and who said on networks we want to burn this country down. i think you have to separate that. because as we are seeing in the name of black lives matter, these riots and these looters, who really aren't affiliated with any type of peaceful protests. we all condemn what happened to george floyd.e zeate oo much at discrimination. eight in 10 republicans said too much attention on that issue, not the movement, but the issue. >> you know who has been given more -- the president got rid of the inadjustments iinjustices in oul

system. this is the president who gave more loans to h.b.this itht created economic opportunities. and he has tackled discrimination. and he is going to continue to do so. you'll hear more of that next week as he talks about the policies he has put forward that has improved the lives of everyday americans. >> brennan: thank you for your time. we want to go now to los angeles mayor eric garcetti. good morning to you. >> great to be with you, margaret. thank you for having me. >> brennan: i want to talk about voting because your state was mentioned by ronna as having increased mail-in ballots. more than 100,000 mail-in otwereecd

given that experience, doesn't it indicate there are some gaps in terms of your state's election integrity? >> mayor: democracy is not an easy thing. but i have great confidence in our counties to be able to run elections and to run them well. the difference is we're trying to run elections that expand democracy, that give the vote to everybody. where we see a war on voters in other states run by republicans who literally want to take people off the ballots, take them off the electioamilean georgia -- >> brennan: and ronna is saying you're adding people -- >> no, we're making sure that every american in california who can vote will vote. that is, i think, what a democracy is about. why we make it so difficult for americans to vote seems to be anti-democratic with a small "d."

we're make sure we have a paper trail as well, something i think all folks, from the right and left, have called for for years. i don't understand why the president fears this. >> brennan: on the issue of the economy, that is one area where president trump still seems to have better poll results than candidate biden does -- joe biden said a lot of things in this address this week, but he gave virtually no detail on his economic plans and no detailed criticism of president trump either. isn't that a mistake? >> mayor, i facts, margaret: democrats presidents have added 60 million, and republican ones, 23 million in the last three decades. you want to see the stock market do better, it has always been undcr ppubl one. we're verof anve. uses, andmeonui back betdn't you

and didn't say how he was going to do it? why not emphasize that? >> we have been talking until we're blue in the face about the most progressive plans. build back better has four plans: one, build back energy in the economy and careers. two, manufacturing back in america, unlike this president who said he would bring jobs back, but has been off-shoring jobs since he has been president. and third, the carecomy. so many americans, and it is such a contrast in these compaigns. joe biden and kamala harris are about what we can do to care for each other, whether it is our kids or seniors at the end of their lifetime. and something that is usually a peipheral issue, racial justice is the fourth pillar of that plan. we have detailed that. go to president trump's website, just like when he ran last time, there are

two or three things on the economy and that's it. it was build a wall, get he has no plans and he is killing americans right now and killing our economy. it is such a contrast between two people have a heart and experience and a man who has neither. >> brennan: killing americans is a strong phrase there. i'm going to ask you about what is happening with covid-19 in your own city. you told cnn it is becoming much more of a latino dis. whis it still such an issue that people of color in your city are disproportionately affected? >> mayor: a couple of statistics. we are at a positivity rate at 6%. we're really, i think, making huge progress and t we're being left on our own. we're the first city to cut, i think, the african-american deaths to under the population here. for the are a

couple of things. one, you didn't have federal assistance. you could be married to or the child of an immigrant, and you didn't get the same money your money your fellow citizens did. they're being pushed to work more. they don't have access to the unemployment. they don't have the social network we need. but we're making huge in-roads, including in the latino community. you saw this president plant a seed, demonizing latinos. saying they're rapists and murderers, and maybe there were a few good ones. the government thinks they osn't have to serve cities nnan: bor maagemaclly shutff the power at a hollywood home after they were hosting large parties there because it wasn't abiding by your regulations regarding the pandemic. how many other houses are you going to shut off the utilities to? why aren't people listening?

>> mayor: people are listening. downbuwhere people sten, e . g easme to the young people who said shut it down because they say their peers acting irresponsible. 10% of people usually are responsible for about 80% of the cases. we're just not playing. we're not going to let people take our lives into their hands. >> brennan: mayor garcetti, thank you for your time. "face the nation" will be "face the nation" will be back in one minute with former f.b.i. director james comey. stay ♪

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white house official and campaign strategist stephen bannon for sociat beisraud. case? >> it is another reminder of the kind of people this president surrounds himself with. it is a very serious case, the southern district of new york has laid it out in a very detailed indictment called a speaking indictment, and he is in a world of trouble. >> brennan: "a world of trouble," what do you mean by that? >> it is a very serious fraud case with a huge amount of money stolen from innocent victims, americans who thought they were giving money toesent's ll on the mexi wen. that will drive up potential punishments for mr. bannon. the indictment lays it out in such detail, including excerpts from texts. if you're stephen bannon and his lawyers, you're

saying, i'm going down here. i don't the know what the next steps a trouble. >> brennan: the senate intelligence committee also sent a letter to the southern district, asking hem to investigate bannon for lying to congress. is there more that the public needs to know about stephen bannon and any links to election interference? >> i don't know. i don't know what the southern district of new york is doing. i think this indictment surprised a lot of people because they did it like the pros they are, they didn't talk about it until they're ready to bring the case. but people can learn an awful lot of about russia and the trump campaign by reading a thousand pages that the senate intelligence committee put out this week. it tells a story that blows up the president's nonsense about it being a hoax, and bill barr's nonsense about theregno iestipen read and learn a lot about the characters. >> brennan: i want to

ask you more about that in a moment. we will have to take a break. very quickly, what do you think is the biggest threat to the rule of law right now? >> even that even-handed law enforcement hasth juice depantunder ump. everybody should get a fair shake, and that the truth is under attack, both by the attorney-general and the president. those things matter. that's why i'm speaking for the first time ever at a political convention. >> brennan: we're going do take a break and come back with former f.b.i. director james comey in just a few minutes.

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♪ >> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we're continuing our conversation with former f.b.i. director james comey. i want to pick up where we left off, which was that senate intelligence report -- ta bipartisan report, meaning republicans signed off on it. this was three years long, and the conclusion here was that trump campaign chair paul manafort represented a, quote, "grave counterintelligence threat to the u.s. because of his closewith russian intelligence officer constantin calimic." this goes farther that was made public. >> the senate intelligence committee was looking at all information they could

gather. mueller was approaching it as a prosecutor, trying to see what evidence he could bring into court to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. so the senate intelligence community could look much more broadly, and came to this conclusion that the head of trump's campaign was funneling information to a russian intelligence officer. let that sink in, and ask yourself there was nothing to investigate here, as bill barr said? it was a hoax? the republicans have exploded that nonsense. >> brennan: the report, also, was critical of your old agency, the f.b.i. it said your bureau should have done more to alert o tc. officials that dn't the f.b.i. do this? this was a national security threat happening under the nose of the f.b.i.? >> yes, i understand that. that is fair criticism. i think at the time, our folks thought that just telling an institution that the russians are inside your house was

enough. but i think part of what have led to a lack of urgency at the d.n.c. and is was weaponnizing. intean >> brennan: how do the f.b.i. miss this was an active measures campaign by a foreign intelligence service? >> that's a great question. i think the simple answer is: because it never happened before. if i was still director of the f.b.i., that wouldn't be a good enough answer. i hope they're taking a look back across the intelligence community and asking, why didn't we imagine that the russians might do this. but the truth is we didn't. >> brennan: when you were an f.b.i. director, you never imagined this scenario? don't you think this was a mistake on yoururink it was a miss -- a mistake -- i'm not going to quibble on s.i do know why.itt t the russians were doing something they had never

done, which is to weaponize and fire surocratic process. looking back in hindsight, it seems obvious. i don't know the answer why nobody in the intelligence community, none of the analysts, saw this coming. >> brennan: are we still as vulnerable? >> yes. in a different way. i'm sure the russians will use different tactics because we figured out what they were last time. they achieved their objectives in the last election. they have done incredibly well under president trump. they want him to stay in office. they'll be coming again. the problem for us as americans, you can't stop a threat that the president won't even kne exis so thell be inuruse messin us. the only way weing elections is to elect joe biden as president. so finally someone puts real pain on the russians. >> brennan: what does real pain look like? >> we have been warned that interference is

happening again. i actually want to play for you something that president trump said this week. he said that this will be the most fraudulent election in u.s. history, and he told this to fox news. >> president trump: we're going to have everything. we're going to have sheriffs and we're going to have law enforcement, and we're going to have hopefully u.s. attorneys. and we're going to have everybody, and attorney generals. >> brennan: he is talking about fraud at the ballot box. he is talking about fraud in the mail. her is talking about fraud by receiving a ballot in the first place. what the president just described in that sound ny stahe menkly illegal in to sending out local law enforcement. but he is making clear what he wants to see happen. what do you make of what he is laying out? >> i'm sure the next question fox news asked what are the allegations that support your allegatio -- what isthe evidencs

your allegations, and there was critics. i'm confident that the men and women in law enforcement at all levels will abide their oath. >> brennan: in other words, not do this. >> yeah. this is america. we don't -- at least we don't anymore, we did it a whole lot to african-americans when i was a child -- we don't use cops to scare people away from polling places. i'm confident that police officers around this country are notintested ei part of an ejustice department is investigating 2016, and do you know if you were a witness, or have you sat with john durham as part of the investigation? >> i have no idea. i have had no contact with him and u believe that means you are a target? >> i can't imagine that i'm a target. i saw in the news report

that john brennan was a witness. given that i know what happened during 2016, which was a bunch of people trying to do the right thing consistent with the law, i'm not worried at all about that investigation of the investigation. next i'm sure there will be an investigation of the investigation of the investigation. they just want to have an investigation to talk about. >> brennan: i want to ask you about a tweet you sent this week. you sent out a picture of yourself wearing a t-shirt that said more women should be elected, more votes for women. of course, it is the week honoring ratification of the 19th amendment. there is this response from hillary clinton, who is sort of making a smerk. i know she said in the past she thought he was on the virining in 2016, until you reopened that e-mail investigation. do you see this has contradictory? do you regret what happened then because she clearly sees this as a contradiction. >> i think it is pretty funny. i get why she would send

something like this. i regret only being involved in the 2016 elti wuck i think we made the right decisions, choosing between terrible options. i wasn't trying, nor was anybody else in the f.b.i., trying to elect or not elect anyone. i think it is time for more women to be leaders in this country. we'll all be better off. >> brennan: well, we agree with you on that point. thank you very much, jim comey, for your time.atch we'll be right back. had a little extra time on my hands lately. (neighbor) and that? (burke) oh, this? just an app i've been working on. itfifteercent onour autofarmers, aninsurancld save you up to simply sign up, drive and save. but i'm sure whatever you've been working on is equally impressive. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

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>> brennan: we turn now the corh cbs news national correspondent mark strassmann, who reports from atlanta, georgia. >> reporter: at covid university, partying students have inflamed viral outbreaks, fuming older faculty and staff. >> reporter: dozens of

schools already have offered a course in consequences. syracuse suspended 32 partiers, perdue, 26, north carolina state university has had multiple covid clusters. >> we've seen behaviors off-campus which are inconsistent with our community standards and have had an impact on our ability to go forward. >> reporter: fingers crossed is a poor covid defense. at notre dame, 372 people have tested positive. the student paper's front page editorial "don't make us right" obituaries.ath ratearw atesupinhse up in 26 states. but america's heartland has more covid roubles.

rising cases in 12states, including north dakota, wyoming, kansas, and missouri. south dakota's average daily case loads are up 58%. just one week ago, the state hosted a biker rally with a quarter million attendees. >> let us ride! >> reporter: feeling normal again is behind the push to play fall sports. in division one, there are 130 schools. 54 programs so far have shut down this fall. but some schools require testing of all arriving students. covid stampeded on campus, anyway. and with this virus, getting it wrong in the first few weeks fuels a crisis. georgia's covid case is improving. like other southern states, it has been a hot spot for months. but now theother danger: a pair of tropical tropl storms named marco and

laura. both complicating the region's effort to bring the virus under control. >> brennan: thank you. we turn now to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. good morning to you. >> doctor: good morning. >> brennan: new cases have dropped below 50,000 for about the eighth day. that seems, according to johns hopkins, a positive development. but the c.d.c. director says it is really middle america that is getting stuck. where do you think we are. >> doctor: well, we're seeing some signs of good news here. we're seeing cases fall across the country, across the sunbelt, where the epidemic was. we're seeing deaths start to fall, and i think we'll see deaths fall below thousand aday. we're seei which is probably the most important indicator to watch. they fell before 40,000 for the first time in a very long time. this is driven by declines in the sunbelt, where the

coronavirus was epidemic, the sort of second wave, if you will, of the epidemic. the first being located in the new york tri-state region. we're seeing more cases build in the midwest and the west. the concern is if there is sort of a third wave of the national epidemic, it could be more diffuse spread across the midwest and the west, because cases are building in those parts of the country, and that is what is concerning people right now. >> brennan: i want to ask you about some of the things that the president has said regardl regarding your old agency, the f.d.a. yesterday he posted a tweet that i want to show our viewers. he said: "the deep state or whoever over at the f.d.a. is making it verydiffictg comp vaesd terapeuti toelay the answer until after november 3rd. must focus on speed." it sounds like the president is directly accusing the f.d.a. of

political motivations. what is he talking about? >> doctor: well, i'm not sure exactly what he is talking about. i can tell you about my direct experience in the agency. i served in that agency twice, once under president bush. the agency is the foundational truth, and what guides that agency is science and a deeply seeded sense of public health mission. it is part of the core of the staff of that agency. i know they know the urgency of the moment. they put out 60 guidance documents to find new ways to bring products to the market more quickly. there 750 drugs under mid or late stages of clinical trials right now. i firmly reject the idea they would slow-walk anything or accelerate anything based on any political consideration or any consideration other than what is best for the public health and a real sense of mission to patients nn: wel the chf-of-staff to th

he says, "sometimes you have to make them feel the heat if they do not see the light." he said a number of bureaucrabureaucrats don't see e urgency. >> doctor: well, look, i think a lot of that was about plasma, that tweet. the president scoped into that tweet a comment on vaccines. i sit on the board of pfizer, and the vaccine trials have enrolled very fast. moderna and pfizer, eo s. manuf. and they've only been enrolling in earnest of three weeks. that's extraordinary. to say these products aren't moving at historic pace i think is wrong. there were some perceived delays in bringing plasma -- authorizing

is wee tht n.i.hmisgivabout the asthe 0,000 patients, wasn't a very vigorously done trial. so it is hard to draw conclusions. i believe plasma is probably beneficialing, weakly beneficial in the setting of this treatment. but i think some people wanted to see more rigorous data to ground that decision. i think that is part of what is going on here with respect to that tweet and questions about the f.d.a.'s decision-making. i think they're on firm ground to try to closely evaluate that information. >> brennan: the white huse says there will be a major therapeutic uny.hat isgh on the virus itemergeuse for plasma. the issue here is patients are getting it. more than 70,000 patients, again, have been dozed with that.

what they will allow is probably more commercial distribution, and it will allow manufturers of plasma products to recoup the cost. plasma is taking the antibodies from people who recovered and infusing them into people who are sick. if you use it early enough in the course of the disease, there is some resident for it being beneficial in the treatment of viruses. it is a good therapeutic to have overall. but it is widely available right now, and patients are getting it. the emergency use authorization will probably allow more settings. it is cremenit incremental. >> brennan: i want you to help us understand that the article that came out that children have a more role in community spread than believed initially. does this mean that kids are mor contagious than we thought? >> i think this study wasi otr

studies. it wanasibs therwidy they were swabbing the kids early in the course of the disease, as opposed to adults, who were swabbed later in the course of the disease. i think it confirms what other studies have shown, that children do spread virus and they can transmit the virus. if they can't, we wouldn't be seeing the outbreaks at day camps in georgia, and there was an outbreak in a church service, and children were in the chain of transmission. the presum presum presumption in they're asymptomatic, they're less likely to transmit the infection, and that is true for adults, too. >> brennan: dr. scott gottlieb, always good two to talk to you. we'll be back in a moment.

>> brennan: we go to tucson, where classes at the university of arizona start tomorrow, with four options, including in-person learning. join us is dr. robertaret>> brey

st in-class instruction, and will all of them be tested? >> >> all of the students living in the dormitories are being tested, and we've tested about 23%. the other students living off-campus are being strongly encouraged to be tested. in total, there will be about 5,000 students that will be taking essential courses, face to face, in person. those would be things like organic chemistry lab, fi phs la, those kin of things. we think we'll have 28,000, to 30,000 students coming back to the tucson area. normally we would have

45,000. >> brennan: you're office told us that the only mandate for testing the for those living on campus. you just mentioned dorms there. >> correct. >> brennan: it looks like 5,000 of your students live in dorms. that means the majority don't live on campus. so isn't this composing everyone, if you can't mandate testing for those who don't live in a dorm? >> well, i think that what we're going to do is we will try to test everyone that comes on campus. what i would like, and, of course what we would all like, is a 10-second, 10-cent test that we could test everyone every day. we think that we can test everybody who comes back to campus son.buan't test them every day, using an antigen test, which is what we're using to test our students coming into

the dorms. we think that we've got a random testing protocol that we've got in place, but i would like to see a test at least once a week, everybody who comes on campus face to face. >> brennan: so notre dame mandated testing for students on campus, and i'm sure you know they have had an outbreak that has caused them to put things on hold for at least a few weeks. if they tried and failed, why do you think your university will be different? >> well, i think that we've got extensive testing policies. i think they did the same thing that we did, which is test students when they came into the dorms. weretibeset sure if they ey only been, ike chapel hill, only been in class for a week or so. i think the big issue is off-campus activity. i believe we all know we can control things in the classroom and on campus and in th having large

gatherings of people on campus in official venues. the problem is what i've seen is that others, such as kansas, even arizona state, other universities, perdue, have gone aggressively off-campus to try to break up large gatherings and parties. the transmission hast of rred. >> brean: wod you expel a stud they violated one of your requests? how do you force people to behave in their own best interest? when will are teenagers and in their early 20s. >> sure, i understand. to answer your question, first, we've got a face-covering policy. we're anticipating there will be some people who refuse to cover their face because of their expression of their individuality and freedom. but that will go through the dean of students and code of conduct, and, yes,

they can be expelled. what i think we're moving into is, we've done a very good job of testing, contract tracing, we've got covid-19-watch with google, apple app, that uses bluetooth, and we're the first university to use that. we feel good about our education, and we've been on with a weekly briefing every week, over social media. i think we're going to continue that preventive therapy and education, but we've got to switch quickly into the treatment mode. we know there are going handle them. >> brennan: very quickly, when do you hit the brakes? what's your threshold? >> when we can't mitigate or handle -- if we get overwhelmed with cases where we don't have enough room for isolation, our hospitals are starting to

get overcapacity, where we can't surge into i.c.u.s if someone were to get really sick. we're going to be watching the numbers every day. if we run out of isolation beds and we can't handle it and people are getting really ill, then we'll pull the plug. >> brennan: dr. robins, >> brennan: dr. robins, thank you for your time. we'll be right back. want restaurants to open?

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