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captioning funded by cbs and ford. we go further, so you can. >> it's not different than watergate. it's not different than when, you know, republicans came into the d.n.c. and stole documents from the file cabinets. it's the cyber version of that. >> she's talking about the russian government's hack of the 2016 american election. "60 minutes" has been investigating what 12 russian military officers actually stole, who received the information, and what was done with it. >> the russians never left. i can guarantee you, in 2016, after this all hit the news, they never left. ( ticking ) >> you've heard a lot about the future of driver-less cars. but, what about this?
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that's right. 18 wheels on the road, and nobody in the driver's seat. don't be surprised to see this on american highways soon. how close are we to a day when these trucks have no driver? >> we'll be operating on the public highways with real cargo, with a real fleet, in 2021. ( ticking ) >> holy moley, look at this. >> this is it. this is the best. the best. >> whoa! you've known adam sandler for longer than you remember. 30 years ago, he was hired as a writer, and then cast member, of "saturday night live." >> ♪ operaman bye bye ♪ >> we wanted to know why he left "s.n.l.," about all those movies... >> $1,000 a point. >> ...and why he chose this one, a drama. >> i don't care. it needs to be changed. do it. >> but first... >> that's called a perfect pass! >> ...the sand-man wanted to play some pick-up hoops. >> right on, baby. ( ticking )
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[ gasps ] why didn't you tell us about these savings, flo? i've literally told you a thousand times. ♪ oh, danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling ♪ i'm just gonna... ♪ from glen to glen >> whitaker: with less than 100 days before the presidential election, u.s. intelligence officials are warning that russia and other adversaries are once again interfering in our democratic process. in 2016, russian president im
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chaos in our system, using a combination of social media manipulation, propaganda, and other dirty tricks. president trump's justice department currently has at least two open cases against russian citizens for disrupting the 2016 presidential and congressional elections. as we first reported last november, 12 russian military officers are still at large, charged with breaking into the democratic party's computers in 2016, stealing compromising information, and selectively releasing it to undermine specific candidates. there's no evidence of similar operations against republicans in 2016. with the 2020 elections just around the corner, a cautionary tale: "the russian hack." >> robert anderson: the russians never left. i can guarantee you in 2016 after this all hit the news, they never left. they didn't stop doing what they're doing. >> whitaker: this wasn't just a one-time thing?
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>> anderson: no way. russia doesn't do it that way. >> whitaker: robert anderson should know. he spent 21 years inside the cloak-and-dagger world of spies and hackers, overseeing the f.b.i.'s counterintelligence and cyber divisions and tracking moscow's spy agencies, an alphabet of artifice: the f.s.b., s.v.r., and especially, the g.r.u. >> anderson: the g.r.u. is military intelligence. so, when we look at the attacks that happened during our presidential races in 2016, you had military organizations inside of russia attacking our infrastructure. >> whitaker: so are they hackers or are they soldiers? >> anderson: so, they're both. and in most cases, in most of these units, they're not just hackers, they're probably some of the best mathematical minds in russia. these are seasoned professionals that have worked their way up the ranks, to be in these units, to carry out these strategic attacks on behalf of that
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country. >> whitaker: these are the hacker-soldiers from g.r.u. unit 26165, who, according to the justice department, were responsible for "breaking and entering" into the democratic party's computers remotely from moscow. their names, ranks and faces aae list for stealing, among other things, the democrats' strategic plans, detailed targeting data, and internal polling. g.r.u. colonel aleksandr osadchuk commanded a separate unit, 74455. one of his officers was in charge of spreading the stolen material to political operatives, bloggers, and the media. another hacked state election boards. it wasn't some 400-pound guy in his parent's basement? >> anderson: no. this was a well-choreographed military operation with units that not only were set up
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specifically to hack in to obtain information, but other units that were used for psychological warfare were weaponizing that. this is not an operation that was just put together haphazardly. >> john demers: so that was the 26165 unit? >> whitaker: the justice department's national security division is overseeing the russian hacking case. >> demers: once they're doing that keystroke monitoring. >> whitaker: assistant attorney general john demers runs the division, along with deputies adam hickey and sean newell. d.o.j. attorney heather alpino worked with special counsel mueller on the russian indictments. all have access to the underlying intelligence, and have no doubt the russians interfered in the 2016 election. this really happened. >> demers: yes. that really happened. and we believe that, if we had to, we could prove that in court tomorrow, using only admissible, non-classified evidence to 12
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jurors. >> whitaker: do you ever expect to get the 12 russian officials to trial? >> demers: i would be surprised. but the purpose of the indictment isn't just that, although that's certainly one of the purposes. the purpose of this kind of indictment is even to educate the public. >> whitaker: for a legal document, the 29-page indictment is a page turner. it details how u.s. intelligence agencies tracked each defendants' actions, sometimes by the keystroke, revealing the fictitious names and phony emails used to infiltrate the democrats' computers, and tracing the stolen data on its circuitous route from washington, d.c. to moscow. the information in the indictment is very detailed. you have descriptions of the russian agents typing into their computers. >> demers: obviously, i can't go into too much detail, because i
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don't want to reveal investigative methods. but the insight here is that behind every one of those keyboards is not an i.p. address. it's a human being. >> whitaker: those indicted g.r.u. agents. the u.s. says one team, working out of a building in moscow called the tower, created a website and a provocative character to disseminate the stolen material: guccifer 2.0. >> demers: so, guccifer 2.0 is a fictional online persona. it's all an effort on the russian side to hide their involvement. >> whitaker: and these guys are pretending to be one lone hacker. >> demers: correct. >> whitaker: and that works? >> demers: what it gives them is plausible deniability, right? they don't need for it to work 100% as long as the russians can say, "wasn't us." >> whitaker: posing as guccifer 2.0, the russians offered up stolen documents to julian assange's wikileaks and self-
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proclaimed "dirty trickster" roger stone. it was all part of a broad campaign to disrupt the presidential e but there was another, less well-known part of the russian operation-- to undermine democrats running for congress. >> kelly ward burton: it started as large document dumps, where guccifer 2.0 was kind of taunting and saying, "i have more." >> whitaker: kelly ward burton was executive director of the d.c.c.c., the democratic congressional campaign committee, when the russians hacked the committee's computers. >> burton: these bullet points at the top are the summary for how we need to win. >> whitaker: they swiped and dumped on the internet material she told us cost millions of dollars to produce-- battle plans for congressional races, demographic research on voters, and extensive dossiers on the weaknesses of their own candidates. >> burton: so when we deliberate internally about anything, you
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know, that's not intended to be made public. and that's what makes this so important to understand these as stolen documents. it's not different than watergate. it's not different than when, you know, republicans came into the d.n.c. and stole documents from the file cabinets. it's the cyber version of that. they came into our office, and they stole our documents. documents that were never intended to be public. and then they used that in the election. >> even democrat party bosses are questioning his character. >> whitaker: ward was shocked when republicans used the stolen internal materials in this negative ad. >> burton: we reached out to them and asked them, you know, we-- we said, "we have been the victims of a cyber-attack by a foreign adversary. will you make a commitment not to use any of these stolen materials in the-- in the campaign, or in the 2016 election?" and they wouldn't make a commitment to do so. >> whitaker: she says in the
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months leading up to the elections, russian tactics evolved. the indiscriminate document dumps became more frequent and strategic. >> burton: there would be thousands of documents that would show up on one day. and then they got smarter, and they started to release specific documents related to our specific races, or documents that were, you know, in our most-targeted states and our most-targeted areas. >> whitaker: the russian agents stole material about candidates running for congress in pennsylvania, new hampshire, ohio, illinois, nebraska, new mexico and north carolina. but one swing state seemed to be the kremlin's primary target: florida. in 2016, annette taddeo was running for congress in the 26th district, which stretches from south miami to the florida keys, one of the most hotly contested races in this battleground state. taddeo had the full backing of
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the d.c.c.c., but her campaign was upended two weeks before the primary. >> annette taddeo: i was on my way to a tv debate-- live tv debate, and i get the call about the fact that not only were we hacked, but our information is now public, from our polling to our mail plan. in addition to that, the entire "path to victory." >> whitaker: it's your game plan? >> taddeo: yes. my opponent, joe garcia, showed up at that debate with a printout of all the documents. >> whitaker: her primary opponent, a fellow democrat, used the hacked material as a prop to paint her as a conniving politician. the same day, guccifer 2.0 dropped this mocking post: "the congressional primaries are also becoming a farce." taddeo lost the primary.
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garcia went on to lose the election to the republican candidate. you describe south florida as "rough and tumble." but this seems to ratchet it up a notch? >> taddeo: we've seen a lot here. but this was-- this was a foreign government. this was so much bigger. you know, i've been told by a lot of people, "you should stop talking about this. it's really not good for you politically to remind people that you lost." but i refuse to stop talking about it, because, again, if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone. and it didn't happen to me-- >> taddeo: about 700 votes.y.mu where elections are decided by a percentage point or so. a coin toss. add the russians onto that and you're looking at a real problem. >> whitaker: marc caputo has covered florida politics for 20 years. the senior writer for politico was one of the reporters who
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received and wrote about the hacked documents. not a lot of people know that the russians interfered in five congressional races here in florida. when did you first get wind of it? >> caputo: well, i'd been paying attention, like the rest of the press corps, that russia had been hacking and russia had been trying to interfere in our election system. and then, out of the blue, i got contacted by this blogger, hello florida. >> whitaker: the blogger turned out to be this man, aaron nevins, one of the shadier political operators in the sunshine state. the republican strategist wouldn't talk to us on camera, but he did talk to special counsel robert mueller's investigators. he admits direct-messaging guccifer 2.0, asking for any florida-related documents. seeing a willing participant, the russians flooded nevins with hacked materials. "holy 'f', man," he responded. "i don't think you realize what you gave me.
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this is probably worth millions of dollars." guccifer 2.0 responded, "okay, you owe me a million," with a smiley face. nevins posted the stolen documents on his website, organized in files, and alerted florida journalists, who couldn't resist publishing the democrats' secrets. at one point, nevins wrote the russians, "i honestly think you helped sink annette taddeo in florida 26." you played a role in disseminating this stolen information. >> caputo: i have a role to play as a reporter covering campaigns, and sometimes that information comes to us from a variety of sources. and in this case, it came to us from a source right at the edge of being unusable. but ultimately, we decided, "well, this tells a legitimate story about how these campaigns view their own candidates," and voters have a right to that information. >> anderson: this operation was
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a huge success. >> whitaker: former f.b.i. spy-hunter robert anderson says russia's goals today are the same as in the soviet era-- to sow discord in the u.s. and doubt about our democracy around the world. >> anderson: the thing that you need to worry about with russia and every one of their intelligence services is, they will learn from these operations. they'll learn how easy it is to gain access to government and private accounts. they'll learn how quickly the information that they put in front of somebody will be disseminated. they will analyze everything they did right or wrong, and when they attack again, they will not come at you the same way. ( ticking ) >>.how our team investigated the russian hack, at 60minutesovertime.com. russian hack, at 60minutesovertime.com. sponsored by cologuard. for colon cancer, don't wait. because when caught early, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard.
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>> wertheim: you know that universal sign we give truckers, hoping they'll sound their air horns? well, you're going to be hearing a lot less honking in the future, and with good reason-- the absence of an actual driver in the cab. we may focus on the self-driving car, but autonomous trucking is not an if, it's a when. and the when is coming sooner than you might expect. as we first reported in march, companies have been quietly testing their prototypes on public roads. right now there's a high-stakes, high-speed race pitting the usual suspects-- google and tesla and other global tech firms-- against small start-ups smelling opportunity. the driver-less semi will convulse the trucking sector and the two million american drivers who turn a key and maneuver their big rig every day. and the winners of this derby? they may be poised to make untold billions, they'll change the u.s. transportation grid,
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and they will emerge as the new kings of the road. it's one of the great touchstones of americana-- the romance and possibility of the open road. all hail the 18-wheeler, hugging those asphalt ribbons, transporting all of our stuff across the fruited plains, from sea to shining sea. though we may not give it a second thought when we click that "free shipping" icon, truckers move 70% of the nation's goods. but trucking cut a considerably different figure on a humid sunday last summer on the florida turnpike. starsky robotics, a tech startup, may have been driving in the right lane, but they passed the competition and did this... yeah, that's 35,000 pounds of steel, thundering down a busy highway with nobody behind the wheel.
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the test was a milestone. starsky was the first company to put a truck on an open highway without a human on board. everyone else in the game with the know-how keeps a warm body in the cab as backup-- for now, anyway. if you didn't hear about this, you're not alone. in jacksonville, we talked to jeff widdows, his son tanner, linda allen and eric richardson, all truckers, and all astonished to learn how far this technology has come. >> linda allen: i wasn't aware until i ran across one on the florida turnpike, and that just-- it just scares me. i can't imagine. but i didn't know anything about it. >> wertheim: no one's talking about it at work? >> jeff widdows: nobody, never, never. >> eric richardson: i didn't know that it'd come so far. and i'm thinking, "wow, it's here." >> wertheim: he's right. the autonomous truck revolution is here. it just isn't much discussed-- not on c.b. radios, and not in statehouses, and transportation agencies are not inclined to pump the brakes.
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from florida, hang a left and drive 2,000 miles west on i-10 and you'll hit the proving grounds of a company with a fleet of 41 autonomous rigs. this is a shop floor? or this is a laboratory. >> chuck price: it's both. >> wertheim: in the guts of the sonoran desert, outside tucson, chuck price is chief product officer at tusimple, a privately-held global autonomous trucking outfit valued at more than a billion dollars, with operations in the u.s. and china. at this depot, $12 million worth of gleaming self-driving semis are on the move. right now, we've got safety operators in the cab. how far away are we from runs without drivers? >> price: we believe we'll be able to do our first driver-out demonstration runs on public highways in 2021. >> wertheim: that's the when. as for the how? >> price: our primary sensor system is our array of cameras that you see along the top of the vehicle. >> wertheim: i've heard about souping up vehicles. this takes it to a new level.
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>> price: it's a little bit different, yeah. >> wertheim: the competition is fierce-- so much so, their technology is akin to a stateene id t arn supercomputer that drives the truck. it's self-contained, so a bad wifi signal won't wreak havoc on the road. >> price: our system can see farther than any other autonomous system in the world. we can see forward over a half mile. >> wertheim: you can drive autonomously at night? >> price: we can. day, night. and in the rain. and in the rain at night. >> wertheim: and they're working on driving in the snow. chuck price has unshakable confidence in the reliability of the technology, as do some of the biggest names in shipping: u.p.s., amazon and the u.s. postal service ship freight with tusimple trucks. all in, each unit costs more than a quarter million dollars. not a great expense, considering it's designed to eliminate the
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annual salary of a driver, currently around $45,000. coast-to-coast in two days, not four, stopping only to refuel-- though a human still has to do that. we wanted to hop in and experience automated trucking firsthand. i feel like it's our turn on space mountain. chuck price was happy to oblige. we didn't know what to expect, so we fashioned more cameras to the rig than nasa glued to the apollo rockets. >> maureen fitzgerald: is everybody buckled in? >> buckled in. >> fitzgerald: all right-- three, two, on >> truck computer: autonomous driving started. >> wertheim: we sat in the back alongside the computer. in the front seat, maureen fitzgerald, a trucker's trucker with 30 years experience. she was our safety driver, babysitting, with no intention of gripping the wheel, but there just in case.
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riding shot-gun, an engineer, john panttila, there to monitor the software. the driver-less truck was attempting a 65-mile loop in weekday traffic through tucson. the route was mapped and programmed in before the run, but that's about it. the rest was up to the computer, which makes 20 decisions per second about what to do on the road. as we rolled past distracted drivers, disabled cars, slowpokes and sheriffs, our safety driver kept vigil, but never disengaged the driver-less system. >> john panttila: watching the front targets close in a hundred. yep, got to cut in right now. 55 mile an hour, bad cut-off. >> wertheim: this guy just flagrantly cut off-- >> price: he just really cut us off. >> wertheim: we did not honk at him. did we disengage? >> price: we did not disengage. this vehicle will detect that kind of behavior faster than the humans. >> wertheim: how far are we from being able to pick up the specific cars that are passing us?
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"oh, that's joe from new jersey with six points on his license." >> price: we can read license plates, so, if there was an accessible database for something like that, we could. >> wertheim: chuck price says that would be valuable to the company, though he admits it could create obvious privacy issues. but tusimple does collect a lot of data, as it maps more and more routes across the southwest. their enterprise also includes a fleet of autonomous trucks in shanghai, as well as a research center in beijing. the data collected by every truck, along every mile, it's uploaded and used by tusimple, they say, only to perfect performance on the road. maureen fitzgerald is convinced that tusimple's technology is superior to human drivers. you call these trucks your babies? >> fitzgerald: right. >> wertheim: what do your babies do well, and what could they do better? >> fitzgerald: this truck is scanning mirrors, looking 1,000 meters out. it's processing all the things that my brain could never do, and it can react 15 times faster than i could. >> wertheim: most of her two
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million fellow truckers are less enthusiastic. automated trucking threatens to jack-knife an entire $800 billion industry. trucking is among the most common jobs for american's without a college education. so this disruption caused by the driver-less truck, it cuts deep. >> steve viscelli: as truckers like to say, if you bought it, a truck brought it. >> wertheim: steve viscelli is a sociologist at the university of pennsylvania and an expert in freight transportation and automation. he also spent six months driving a big rig. what segment do you think is going to be hit first by driver-less trucks? >> viscelli: i've identified two segments that i think are most at-risk. and that's refrigerated and dry van truckload. and those constitute about 200,000 trucking jobs. and then what's called line haul, and they're somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 to 90,000 jobs there. >> wertheim: so you're talking 300,000 jobs off the top. it's a big number. >> viscelli: it is a big number. >> wertheim: the florida
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truckers we met represent 70 years experience and millions of safe driving miles. they say they love the job, and when asked to describe their work, they kick around words like vital, honest and patriotic. >> richardson:: it makes you feel like you could just poke your chest out with the responsibility. ( laughs ) that you're taking on kind of makes you feel like you're needed. >> wertheim: asked about driver-less trucks, they feel like they are being run off the road. but another issue troubles them even more. >> widdows: i think that companies need to keep safety in mind. >> richardson: you have a glitch in a computer at that speed-- >> allen: yeah. >> richardson: --you can do some damage. ( laughs ) >> allen: there's too many things that can go wrong. >> richardson: one of them semi hits something that's small, like a car or a passenger car, or anything like that, it's a done deal. i mean... >> allen: i was on 75 last month through ocala, and there was a bad accident, so a state trooper came out, and he was hand- signaling people-- "you go here, you go there." how's an autonomous truck going
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to recognize what the officer is trying to say or do? how's that going to work? >> wertheim: sympathy, empathy, fear, code, eye contact-- i don't know how you create an algorithm that accounts for all that. >> allen: you can't. >> wertheim: does the public have a right to know if they're testing driver-less trucks on the interstate? >> all: absolutely. >> tanner: that's-- well, that's our concern, is, who's watching this? who's making sure they're not throwing something unsafe on the road? >> sam loesche: i think a lot of it is being done with almost no oversight from good governance groups, from the government itself. >> wertheim: sam loesche represents 600,000 truckers for the teamsters. he's concerned that federal, state and local governments have only limited access to the driver-less technology. >> loesche: you know, a lot of this information, understandably, is proprietary. tech companies want to keep, you know, their algorithms and their safety data secret until they can kind of get it right. the problem is that, in the meantime, they're testing this technology on public roads. they're testing it next to you as you drive down the road. >> wertheim: and that was consistent with our reporting. do you have to tell anyone when you test?
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>> price: no, not for individual tests. >> wertheim: do you have to tell them where you test? >> price: we do not currently have to tell them where we test in arizona. >> wertheim: or how-- how often you test? >> price: no. >> wertheim: do you have to share your data with any state department of transportation? >> price: currently, we're not required to share data. we would be happy to share data. >> wertheim: what about inspections? does anyone from the arizona d.o.t. come by and check this stuff out? >> price: the d.o.t. comes by all the time. we talk with them regularly. it's not a formal inspection process yet. >> wertheim: we wanted to ask elaine chao, secretary of the department of transportation, about regulating this emerging sector. she declined an interview, but provided us with a statement which reads in part, "the department needs to prepare for the transportation systems of the future by engaging with new technologies to address safety without hampering innovation." to that point, chuck price is emphatic that drivertr pose fewer dangers. >> price: we eliminate texting
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accidents, no distraction-- >> wertheim: because there's no-- no texting while driving when there's a computer. >> price: there are no drunk computers. and the computer doesn't sleep. so, those are large causes of accidents. >> wertheim: he adds that driver-less trucks are more fuel-efficient, in part because they can stay perfectly aligned in their lane and, unlike humans, are programmed never to speed. but he admits the profit motive is significant. you think there's a lot of money to be made here. >> price: there's certainly a lot of money to be made. there's a-- there's an opportunity to solve a very big problem. >> wertheim: steve viscelli says the industry may be imperfect, but he thinks the solution should not depend on driver-less technology alone. what's your response to the technology companies that say, "look, i'm trying to do something more efficiently, and i'm going to improve safety. this is american enterprise. what are you going to get in the way of this for?" >> viscelli: i'd say that, that's wonderful. ( laughs ) but that's not your job. right? your job's to make money. policy is going to decide what our outcomes are going to be. trucking is a very competitive
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industry. the low-road approach often wins. >> wertheim: we talk about the internal combustion engine replacing the horse and buggy, and eisenhower's interstate system. when we talk about these transformational markers in transportation, where's driver-less trucking going to rank? >> viscelli: it's going to be one of the biggest. ( ticking ) another bundle in the books. got to hand it to you, jamie.
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( ticking ) >> alfonsi: it's hard to believe it's been 30 years since adam sandler first appeared on "saturday night live."
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but, did you know that sandler was let go just a few years after he joined the cast? we wanted to know why,owm tv coo the rarest of things-- a humble movie star who's brought in billions of dollars at the box office. as we first showed you last december, the 53-year-old actor has a lot more chops than the "sand-man" shtick that made him famous in the first place. his recent gritty, dramatic role in a movie called "uncut gems" drew some of the best reviews of his career. we wondered if all the buzz had turned sandler into a serious, self-important actor. we got our answer when, fresh off an overnight flight, he wanted meet us... at a basketball court. >> adam sandler: it looks like a bunch of high school kids, or junior high. usually i can keep up with that. actually, no, not usually. hey, how you doing this? are you-- are you-- >> player: three on three. >> sandler: three on three? i fly in, try to find a game somewhere, play, get a little sweat. >> alfonsi: his game says a lot
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about the real adam sandler. >> sandler: my bad! >> alfonsi: generous with an assist, quick to compliment. >> sandler: nice job, buddy. >> alfonsi: but with sharp elbows and a tongue to match. >> sandler: ball hog! >> alfonsi: you've been in new york, like, 36 hours. how many times have you played basketball? >> sandler: oh, that's very good. so, once with you. and then i played right before this. i'd say five-- five sessions. >> alfonsi: is that what you do pretty much every time you go somewhere? >> sandler: it's kind of when i have nothing to do. i either-- i battle eating. i say, "i can go eat, or go play hoops." >> alfonsi: right, right. the-- >> sandler: ups and downs of the chubby life. ( laughs ) >> alfonsi: adam sandler is an unconventional movie star. he favors oversized clothes, un-tied sneakers and a fresh- from-the-hamper look. a proud father of two with his wife of 16 years, jackie, he's a regular guy, living a charmed lifech il f his appeal cares hey with far-fetched coes "happy gilmore," and goofball-
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gets-the-girl comedies like "the wedding singer." >> ♪ i could be a man who grows old with you. >> shift. >> alfonsi: his films usually feature his friends... >> shift. >> alfonsi: ...and he usually plays a fish-out-of-water character... >> peace! i'm out of here! >> alfonsi: ...who prevails in the end. it's a formula that sometimes fizzles. >> that's how we roll in our house, baby. >> alfonsi: you know, when people talk about your career, they talk about these ups, and then the downs. ups, and then the downs. >> sandler: man, i don't know what the downs have been. i mean, maybe in some people, when they write about me, they talk about my "downs." but i don't have any downs. i love every movie i've made. i've never in my entire career phoned one thing in. >> alfonsi: the critics who've said-- i'm going to read you my favorite ones-- you know, "this movie is the last nail in adam sandler's coffin." ( laughs ) another said "he is no longer a movie star." and another one called you a "man-child." ( laughs ) >> sandler: i hear that. yeah, that makes some sense. >> alfonsi: you're not bulletproof. i mean-- >> sandler: i'm not. >> alfonsi: --it's got to hurt. >> sandler: that stuff doesn't
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hurt me anymore. i think it hurt me 20 years ago. itgot me 20 years ago. i was-- kind of shell-shocked, like, "what happened? they say i suck?" ( laughs ) i thought i was good at this. >> i don't care. needs to be changed. do it. >> alfonsi: his newest film may surprise his critics. "uncut gems" is far from a predictable sandler farce. it's an intense, dark drama set in the cutthroat world behind new york's 47th street diamond district. >> i'm not ( bleep ) buying watches. >> this is howard ratner. >> alfonsi: he plays howard ratner, a jewelry dealer and sports gambler in desperate straits. >> $1,000 a point, okay? >> alfonsi: it's a plum part,g required for every scene. >> i don't know what i'm thinking. i don't know what everybody's doing. >> alfonsi: everybody always talks about you being such a likeable guy. and then you play this loud, sweaty, obnoxious character. did you have any reservations about that? >> sandler: i was scared, yeah. i was like, i don't know, man, i don't like him very much. >> all right, larry! >> hi, pal, how are you? >> yo, yo!
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>> sandler: this is kind of the street where we-- we shot a lot of stuff, got prepared. got to-- it's basically, the big part of the movie, this block. >> alfonsi: it is character- rich, here-- >> sandler: yes. >> and, action! >> alfonsi: sandler researched the role for months, creating a cadence and wardrobe befitting the part: rimless glasses, gold chains, and oversized teeth. >> what's up? >> alfonsi: opposite retired n.b.a. superstar kevin garnett, who plays himself. >> let me clean this for you. let me throw them in the ultra- sonic for you, for free. >> sandler: in the movie, i tell kevin garnett's character, "let me wash your earrings. let me polish those for you." and-- and that's-- one of the guys told me that's the first move, is get the jewelry off-- off somebody. >> alfonsi: because they can't leave. >> sandler: then you're doing something for them. and then you could discuss the flaws of what they have, and say, "hey, i got something a little better for you," and that kind of thing. >> alfonsi: it's clever. >> sandler: yeah, it's very clever. >> alfonsi: the new york diamond district is a world away from
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his hometown of manchester, new hampshire, where sandler roamed the little league fields. the only thing bigger than his hair was his confidence. >> sandler: i was always very goofy-looking. i didn't realize it at the time. i thought i was kind of a stud. but looking back at it, it is pretty ridiculous. >> alfonsi: where'd the confidence come from? >> sandler: i don't-- my parents told me i was-- my mother said how great i was all the time. i started to believe her. but my father would be like, "eh, you're great, but you ain't that great." >> alfonsi: oh, my gosh. >> sandler: this was it. this was the room i grew up in. >> alfonsi: it's like a museum! he grew up in this house, the youngest of four children-- the rare comedian who says his childhood was happy. >> sandler: but that was my bed. that was my brother's bed. >> alfonsi: oh, my gosh, look at this. >> sandler: yeah. >> alfonsi: same carpet. >> sandler: same carpet as growing up, for sure, same sheets, same everything. >> alfonsi: so awesome. it's awesome. his late father stan was a big man with a big personality, an electrical contractor who coached his kids' little league
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teams and who sandler calls his hero. >> judy sandler: hi! >> alfonsi: come on, come on! >> sandler: welcome in, mother. >> alfonsi: mom judy was a nursery school teacher. she is his biggest fan, and sometimes, harshest critic. what did you think of "uncut gems?" >> judy sandler: oh, i loved it. it was very different. ( laughs ) very different. >> alfonsi: very different. >> judy sandler: yeah. especially his false teeth. >> sandler: i told you! ( laughter ) she goes straight to the teeth. >> alfonsi: you didn't like that look? >> judy sandler: no. not exactly. ( laughs ) i spent all this money to make his teeth nice, and-- >> alfonsi: what did your mom think about all the cussing in the movie? >> sandler: any time i curse, she hates it. i can curse amazing. >> alfonsi: you can really rope them together? >> sandler: yes, thank you. yes, i can rope them nice. >> judy sandler: my mother didn't teach me to curse and i didn't teach him. where did you learn it? >> sandler: i don't know where i got it from, ma. ( laughter ) but it's been fun. all right, ma, stay out of the shots now. you had your moment. >> alfonsi: his family remains an important influence on his3 life and his comedy. >> sandler: i used to do my grandmother, an impression of my grandmother. everybody used to like it around the house.
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>> alfonsi: let me hear it. >> sandler: "well, you know, adam." she always used to say, "well, you know." "you cannot digest cantaloupe. that's not good for your stomach. that's why you always get bellyaches." she didn't know i was faking bellyaches to stay out of school. she thought it was the cantaloupe. ( laughter ) >> alfonsi: his first job was at the puritan. >> sandler: what's up everybody? >> alfonsi: a local landmark in manchester, new hampshire, famous for its ice cream... and not, it seems, adam sandler. >> sandler: a cherry seinfeld and not a sandler! that's disgusting. >> alfonsi: when it was time for college, he went to new york university, which allowed him to work the city's stand-up clubs at night. he worked hard at it, hitting this stage at comic strip live more than 500 times. >> sandler: when you go to the bathroom, public bathrooms are never fun. you know, you always go in there with the same deal. take one piece of toilet paper and put it there, another piece over there, and then you pull down your pants and a gust of wind knocks the left piece down. ( laughter ) >> alfonsi: what were you making when you--
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>> sandler: oh, money? >> alfonsi: --came in here to play a set? >> sandler: i think it was ten bucks a night, ten bucks. that was good. didn't care. >> alfonsi: stand-up is how adam sandler discovered what would become a trademark of his act-- >> ♪ the bar mitzvah boy, bar mitzvah boy. ♪ >> alfonsi: --using the guitar to sell his jokes. ♪ ♪ >> sandler: you know what i'm saying? >> alfonsi: playing the guitar was sandler's solution for intense stage fright. ♪ ♪ >> sandler: i was so nervous every time. then i'd get up there and i wouldn't remember what i was supposed to say and go blank. and, you have the guitar in your hands, and that way i was at least doing something. >> alfonsi: it-- it was a security blanket. >> sandler: yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> alfonsi: still living in the dorm, he got his first big break, a guest spot on america's most popular sitcom, "the cosby show." it didn't last long. >> tragic! >> sandler: i did four episodes and i remember wanting to be on five, you know? i was always at that place in my
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life. >> alfonsi: i think you're so low-key that you don't really realize that you were so ambitious. >> sandler: i was very driven, man. i don't know what the hell was going through my head. >> alfonsi: what did you want? was it, "i got to get to 's.n.l.,' i got to be a movie star, i got to be--"? >> sandler: i wanted the-- i wanted the eddie murphy. i wanted that. >> alfonsi: being like eddie murphy meant becoming a movie star, but first getting to "saturday night live." he made it there when he was just 23 years old. >> sandler: i got a bit of a situation over here! >> alfonsi: introducing us to characters like canteen boy and opera man. >> sandler: ♪ amy fisher buttafuoco ♪ el-knock-oh el-shoot-oh ♪ >> alfonsi: and writing "s.n.l." classics like "the hannukah song." >> sandler: ♪ paul newman's half-jewish and goldie hawn's half, too ♪ put them together what a fine-looking jew ♪ >> alfonsi: holy moley, look at this. >> sandler: this is it. this is the best, the best. my brother said to me when i was applying for colleges-- i-- i
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said, "what should i study?" he goes, "why don't you be an actor? you should be a comedian." i said, "yeah, yeah, yeah, i'll do that." that was kind of that stupid. >> alfonsi: his time at "s.n.l." was spent alongside, among others, chris rock, david spade and the late chris farley. >> ♪ hoagies and grinders. hoagies and grinders. ♪ navy beans, navy beans, navy beans, navy beans. ♪ >> sandler: that was farley's desk. he had a desk right there. he was always crazy and funny. spade was over here. chris rock was here. and you guys keep it a lot nicer than us. we were filthy. >> alfonsi: their generation loved them. critics did not. just a few years in, even powerful "s.n.l." executive producer lorne michaels couldn't save sandler. >> lorne michaels: it was the rare moment in the history of the show where the network and the critics were on the same side. everybody agreed that this group of people weren't funny. >> alfonsi: was he fired or did he quit? >> michaels: i said, "i think i can protect him.
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but i think it's going to be-- it could be a rough year." >> sandler: that's right. that's right. it was almost like a recommendation, maybe it's a good time to-- to resign, right? something like that. my heart was broken, and i was scared. and then, you don't like telling anybody, "hey, you know that-- that thing i was doing? they said i was no good at it." >> adam sandler! >> alfonsi: sandler returned to "s.n.l." last spring for the first time. nearly 25 years after he was asked to leave, he got the last laugh. >> sandler: ♪ nbc said that i was done. ♪ then i made over $4 billion at the box office. ( laughter ) ♪ so i guess you could say i won. ♪ ( cheers and applause ) >> alfonsi: but it was hishearto pal chris farley, who died in 1997 of a drug overdose, that stole the show. >> sandler: ♪ whethin ♪ a van down by the river. ( cheers and applause )
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i sang it in rehearsal when we were first doing it in the daytime. and i kept getting choked up. i think it was just being at "s.n.l." and being in the place that i hung with the man. but, yeah, farley was the guy that we all just said, "well, he is the funniest, now who is next?" you know? thank you so much! >> alfonsi: sandler is holding his own. netflix says his latest stand-up special was a hit and that more than 70 million people watched "murder mystery," his film last summer with jennifer anniston. >> what the-- aw, are you kidding me? >> alfonsi: on screen, on stage, or on the court... >> sandler: i'll cover this kid. >> alfonsi: ...adam sandler is more than just fun to watch. >> sandler: that's called a perfect pass! >> alfonsi: he's the most versatile smart-ass in the game. >> sandler: right on, baby. ( ticking ) stock slices. for as little as $5, now anyone can own companies in the s&p 500,
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