so well. >> reporter: but the department h format has held up. do you consider these to be debates? >> these are not really debates. really, they are joint appearances or they are interviews held in parallel. >> reporter: but joe biden's first question in the 2008 vp debate came from sarah palin. >> hey, can i call you joe? a setup for this line. >> say it ain't so, joe. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. . >> reporter: and it's not just candidates in the hot seat. >> more astronauts have actually travelled to outer space than have sat in a moderator's chair for a presidential or vice presidential debate. >> good evening. >> reporter: cbs elaine quijano moderated the last vice presidential debate. >> elaine, let me finish a

sentence. >> you can feel that temperature sort of rising. i just had a reflexive moment where it was just basically pulling it out of my parental toolbox. >> gentlemen -- gentlemen, the people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. >> reporter: and, remember, sometimes it's not something said, but sarah palin's wink. >> how long have i been at this, like, five weeks? >> reporter: donald trump's looming stare or al gore's size as he crept up. check out the look on george w. bush's face. or his father caught looking at his watch, which emphasized that idea that he was out of touch with the cares of normal people. >> how has national debt personally affected each of your lives. >> reporter: bush's answer didn't help. >> well, i'm sure it has. i love my grandchildren -- >> how? >> there is a very interesting dynamic when candidates have to answer the questions of real people. >> yeah. >> it's hard for them to dodge.

>> reporter: in this first debate there will be a sole moderator asking questions, and while we expect it to look very similar to past debate it is may sound a little different. that's because there will be fewer audience members there because of social distancing. that might mean less applause and less cheering. and past moderators elaine and john think that's a good thing. >> ed o'keefe reporting. and you can

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superstar mariah carey has more number one hit singles than any other solo artist in history, 19. she's got a new album coming out friday and a new memoir available today, "the meaning of mariah carey". she sat down to discuss her turbulent life and career with jane pauley. >> mariah carey, hello. >> hello, jane. good morning. ♪ but it's just a sweet, sweet fantasy, baby ♪ ♪ love takes time ♪ you can't have me when you want me ♪ >> yeah, the one and only mariah carey with a record 19 chart-topping hits. ♪ you got me feeling emotion >> reporter: and that famous five-octave range.

♪ but in a new memoir, mariah carey goes deep into some very dark places. ♪ you got me feeling higher ♪ >> there's a lot of stuff that i'm dealing with in the book that i have never dealt with, even in conversation with some of my closest, closest friends. ♪ >> reporter: the youngest member of an interracial family, she was 3 when her parents divorced. she grew up with her mother, and though she was a trained opera single, carey writes they lived in near poverty and chronic instability, moving 13 times ♪ and the vision of love >> reporter: the one sustaining concept, mariah carey had a vision of success. >> if i'm reading your book correctly, even as a child you felt a certain inevitability about that, right? >> i always knew that i would do

this, and it was just a matter of when it was going to happen because i came from, you know, a broken and dysfunctional family and without money or things that most people had. i don't -- when i say without money, i mean like we really didn't have much of anything. ♪ early on >> reporter: it was a bleak and scary childhood that she spun into gold and platinum. >> because i felt like such an outsider, which is a theme i've dealt with in my music from the beginning, in terms of being a black woman who is also of mixed race. because when someone is visually ambiguous, like myself, there's a certain -- there's a lot of different misconceptions that come with that. >> reporter: fast forward five years. one of the most powerful names in the music industry, sony

music's sow tommy matolla discovers a teenager named mariah carey. when they married in 1993, more of us knew her name than his. >> you're the power couple in the music industry, but one of you -- >> right. >> -- didn't have any power, and that was you. >> right. i did not have any power in that relationship. >> reporter: she was 23. he was 44. >> i was a kid, in his world, and i just kept making money for the company. just kept going in and making records and making records and writing songs and feeding the machine, and i was living my dream, but it was also a nightmare. >> reporter: storybook manner is what she named the mansion the two of them built together with all the trappings of success, as she describes in a chapter she called "princess prisoner." she felt trapped. >> when you're young and you're an artist and everybody else is going out and experiencing the

limelight and the fame, i wasn't doing that. i was, you know, living in this beautiful mansion, but it was very lonely and hard to just even catch my breath or have a phone conversation. ♪ ♪ so spread your wings and fly >> reporter: carey and matolla divorced after five years. finally free and at the peak of her recording career, she tried movies, leading to the darkest chapter of her life. >> i couldn't even say the word "glitter." people around me weren't allowed -- we had to say sparkle instead of glitter. >> you've got a beautiful voice. i want to produce you. >> yeah, right. ♪ take me out. >> reporter: "glitter" was loosely based on her life. it bombed. >> there was a year the tabloid tried to eat you alive. >> mm-hmm. >> and i'm talking about -- >> "tthe "glitter" era.

it was an intense time. there are very few people who understand being under the constant scrutiny of the world or the press. i was working so hard and i wasn't about to let everything i had worked so hard for just slip away, so i worked myself into the ground. >> reporter: and into treatment. late in the summer of 2001. >> where were you when the twin towers fell? >> that was the day that "glitter" was supposed to be released. >> reporter: b. >> but it was the day you released from a -- >> from a place i didn't belong, a facility. >> reporter: ten days later, mariah carey reappeared in the spotlight, singing a song america needed to hear. ♪ and then a hero comes along ♪ with the strength to carry on ♪ >> and, honestly, it was such a rough time for us all that it

just -- my own personal drama fell by the wayside. >> reporter: mariah carey not only wrote "hero" but 18 of her number one hits. she was inducted this year into the songwriters' hall of fame ♪ i don't want a lot for christmas ♪ ♪ there is just one thing i need ♪ >> reporter: and, yes, she wrote that one, too. last year, 25 years after it debuted, an instant holiday standard, "all i want for christmas is you" hit number one on the billboard chart. a gift from her lambs, as her fans are known. >> love you, mariah. >> reporter: she calls them her lambily. >> your music has always been there for me. thank you. >> there is no way to describe the fact that i have a real relationship with my fans. and, no, it is not lip service, it is a genuine gratitude for

them and for them validating my existence. >> reporter: now the devoted mother to 9-year-old twins with former husband nick cannon. >> i'm showing it to you before i'm looking at it. okay, let me look at it. >> reporter: at 50, mariah carey is looking forward to the chapters yet to come.%-p7 i sti7 ♪ >> your life is kind of like your range. the lows are incredibly low. the highs are incredibly high. and you got to deal with them both. >> i know. and it's so interesting that you say it like that because i always play this, you know, it's sort of like, what would you rather have, like, access to meeting all of the icons and all the fabulous moments? but then the lows are extremely low. and where i've had to come up to just feel, like, worthy of

basically anything is, you know, it's been a long journey, and we're still on it. >> "the meaning of mariah carey" is on sale now. a new

there's a young boy in florida who is the best friend an old shelter dog could ever ask for. steve hartman found his story "on the road". >> reporter: 9-year-old robbie gay loves an underdog. bring him to the flagler county humane society humane society in palm coast, florida, as we did, and he will find the oldest, mangiest, least deportable mutt in the lot. >> there's something about old dogs that i just like. >> do you see yourself in these dogs? >> yes, sir. >> he's the most optimistic and genuinely caring kid who has absolutely no reason to be that way. >> reporter: robbie's adoptive

mom, maria, says before he entered the foster system, robbie was a holy terror. so badly abused he was twice hospitalized with brain injuries. then two years ago maria and her husband charles adopted him. >> what did that day mean to you? >> everything. >> he has come a long way, except in this one respect. maria says he could not cry. despite the horrors of his past or maybe because of them the kid was a stone. >> reporter: until one of robbie's old dogs had to be put down. he wanted to hold her until the end and insisted his mom take pictures. perhaps because he knew what was about to happen. after robbie finally let go, he told his mom, "i know how it feels not to be loved or cared for, and i don't want any animal of mine to feel that way. " nor does he want any foster kid to feel that way. >> because people don't want

older people and older dogs. they only want babies and puppies. >> he is so aware that it could have gone totally differently for him. and in these older dogs, robbie's found a place to practice compassion. >> reporter: some day robbie wants to adopt older foster children himself. >> go up and knock on the door. >> reporter: but until then, to show his commitment and do what he can, he has vowed to adopt as many old dogs as his parents will allow. >> do you love her? >> reporter: and do everything in his power to encourage others to do the same. after we first told this story, robbie started volunteering at the humane society where he has become a powerful advocate for older dogs. he has inspired dozens of adoptions, all to loving families, all forever homes, and all because a sweet little boy saw his reflection in the eyes of the suffering.. steve hartman, "on the road," near palm coast, florida.

and that's the "overnight news" for this tuesday. be sure to join us tonight for the presidential debate. reporting from washington, i'm chip reid. it's tuesday, september 29th, 2020. this is the "cbs morning news". setting the stage. president trump and joe biden will debate for the first time tonight. what to expect in this much anticipated showdown. wildfires. fast-moving flames kill at least three people in northern california. the evacuations taking place right now. covid crisis. the sobering milestone. more than six months into the pandemic. plus concerns of shipping millions of rapid tests to all 50 states. good morning. good to be with you. i'm anne-marie green.