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truth may prevail. how the kentucky attorney general at the center of the controversy is responding. >> and defending their leader. we speak exclusively to former members of the alleged cult known as nexiom. why they claim their leader was wrongfully convicted of sex trafficking despite overwhelming evidence at trial. first, here's today's "eye opener. "it's your world in 90 seconds. >> i am looking very forward to the debate. thank you. >> ahead of the first presidential debate in cleveland, the president already on defense. >> president trump's taxes are sure to be a really hot topic. >> this is a national security question. >> who does hee owe the money t? tell us. who do you owe the money to. >> when this story dropped, joe biden already had lapel buttons ready to go for his supporters out there. >> warning. fire evacuation. >> wildfires forcing evacuations in california's wine country. >> rapidly changing conditions.

please, gheed the evacuation orders. president trump announcing plans to distribute 150 million rapid coronavirus tests. >> very, very soon. this will be more than double the number of tests already performed. >> kentucky attorney general daniel cameron says he will release the audio transcript of the grand jury. >> i didn't do anything. >> and all that matters. >> it's triple toss-up time. our players are ready for these three puzzles. here's the first. phrase the category. >> graceful as a horse? >> on cbs this morning. >> dallas looking to stay alive in game six of the stanley cup final but tampa was ready from the puck drop. >> time ticks down. the stanley cup. they've reached the top of the

mountain! they are the stanley cup champs! >> of course, it's not a stanley cup celebration unless you were drinking from the cup. >> this morning's "eye opener" is presented by progressive. making it easy to bundle insurance. >> it's good to see some tradition continue but i'm still stuck on that wheel of fortune puzzle. graceful as a what? >> word of defense. graceful as a swan is not a common saying. >> i'm confused. >> welcome to cbs this morning. nothing confusing about this. president trump and joe biden facing off tonight in their first presidential debate. this will be our first chance to see the two men engage with each other after months of sparring. they are expected to present two very different versions for the country. >> you are looking at pictures of the debate hall in cleveland where the debate will be held. people are already trickling in.

the audience will be limited in size due to the coronavirus. and the pandemic is sure to be one of the night's big topics along with race and the latest revelations about the president's taxes among other major issues. ed o'keefe is inside the debate hall in cleemveland, ohio. unusual to be inside a new building, not at home these days. what are you expecting? >> such a big deal, i wore a full suit today for the first time since march. tonight is expected to be one of the most anticipated political events of the past four years. it will look very different here in the hall. we'll get into that in a moment. up on stage it should look familiar. tonight is expected to be one of the biggest television events of the year. >> i am looking very forward to the debate. >> after months of sparring from a distance, president trump comes face to face with joe biden. >> i'm prepared to go out and make my case as to why i think he has failed. >> the president who has been campaigning nationwide in recent days insists he needs no preparation. >> he prepares for debates every

day just by being president of te united states and addressing the concerns of the american people. >> trump campaign spokesman tim murtaugh says they're taking biden's debate skills seriously. >> he just came through 11 debates and managed to beat two dozen opponents. joe biden is a guy who knows his way on the debate stage. >> he's been preparing for his delaware home. his team is anticipating tough attacks on the president, potentially about biden's son, hunter, and his past work in china and ukraine. the subject of a recent congressional report. >> campaign spokesman -- >> what he should be talking about and what folks want to hear is what is donald trump going to do for their family. that's what joe biden is going to talk about. >> tonight's debate is set to run 90 minutes with six 15-minute segments focused on the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, race and violence, the biden and trump records, the integrity of the elections and the supreme court. the court is a hot topic for voters now just days after the

president nominated judge amy coney barrett to fill justice ruth bader ginsburg's seat. campaigning in north carolina on monday, biden's running mate senator kamala harris who sits on the judiciary committee set to consider the nomination didn't rule out meeting with barrett. >> i am sure that's going to happen. yeah, we'll see how everything works out. >> do you intend to? >> i haven't made a plan one way or another. >> so everyone here in the hall tonight is expected to wear one of these medical masks except the two candidates and the moderator. we're told not to expect a handshake or elbow bump from the candidates either so they can keep their safe distance. there's also going to be fewer people in the hall. only 80 to 100 down from the hundreds that attend it. for those watching at home, it shouldn't look too different. anthony? >> ed, once again in a full suit for the first time since march. a special day, ed. thank you. >> big day. >> never fully dressed without a smile. we know you have one under the mask. we're learning stunning new

details this morning about president trump's financial dealings as discovered by "the new york times." the latest report shows a pattern of massive losses in stark contrast to the president's image as a successful businessman. cbs news has not independently confirmed the data. paula reid has more from the white house. >> reporter: president trump steered clear of questions monday about the damaging "new york times" report on his finances. but hours later, the times published new details further illustrating president trump's financial troubles, including an over $350 million loss reported at the end of 2002. and nearly $90 million in losses from his signature business in 2003. but following the success of his reality show "the apprentice," according to "the times" mr. trump cashed in on a $500,000 deal to sell double stuff oreos and another half million

contract from domino's pizza. there were also seven-figure licensing deals with hotel builders. some in the former soviet republics. the times reports mr. trump licensed his name to bayrock group, a development company and says documents show bayrock pursued financial backing in russia to pay for hotels bearing the trump name. the times reviewed one plan titled russian fee agreement which called for $50 million for three trump hotels in the u.s. democrats note the president is personally responsible for around $420 million in loans, most of which will come due over the next four years. >> this president appears to have over $400 million in debt, 420, whatever it is, million dollars in debt. to whom? >> white house officials have questioned the timing of these reports. they certainly give former vice president joe biden new material for tonight's debate. and president trump was expected to really focus on biden's son

hunter and money that he made through foreign contacts but these revelations undercut that argument. some house republicans are now calling for an investigation into how "the new york times" obtained the president's financial records. something that some lawmakers and even prosecutors have been having to fight for in court. to tony. >> looking at the how rather than what they mean. let's bring in major garrett. good morning. >> morning. >> the president presents himself as a major billionaire business success. this report in "the times" suggests he's been claiming business losses so significant that in many years he's paid zero federal income tax. how does he respond tonight? >> first of all, the clax respon classic sprngs it's all fake news. the president will have an opportunity to prove it's all fake news, if it is, by releasing his tax releases. go ahead, release the taxes. prove "the new york times" is wrong, mr. president. the other thing is this often looks so coordinated.

how does this happen? how does "the times" get all this information released just before the debate? trump supporters will hear that and think there is something suspicious. and as paula indicated, the president will do whatever he can to redirect this line of questioning away from him and toward hunter biden, former vice president's son, alleging some kind of corruption, even though a senate report drafted by republicans didn't find anything legally corrupt by hunter biden's conduct. >> this tax report would seem to cut directly at the foundation of the president's brand. will it have an impact on his base? >> for base supporters, this will be difficult, though not probably the kind of thing to dislodge them for a couple of reasons. one is they don't take their cues from the investigative reporting team of "the new york times." then the coordination thing they'll be troubled about. but it does create problems with this great theme i've talked to trump supporters about for four years. this president sacrificed a great life and fantastic success to save our country.

well, if he wasn't that successful and in fact, he was using mountains and mountains of continuous losses to pay no federal taxes, how does that fit with that underlying theme? for those who peer deeply into that it will be problematic, but they've got to peer deeply into it first. >> house speaker nancy pelosi says what's most worrying in "the new york times" report is the hundreds of millions of dollars the president owes to people unknown, entities unknown. she calls it a national security issue. is that a legitimate concern? >> it's an assertion from a very partisan figure in american politics but it's not out of bounds. we've never had a president with this many business connections, this much debt and this much ongoing operations that indeed deal with people who lobby the government, as lobbyists here in the country, use trump hotels and the like or foreign governments who also do the same. we've never seen these kind of entanglements. the president will probably say, everybody knew about that in 2016. i was elected anyway. do we know everything we know

now? no. and for those voters still undecided, this could push them into a category of uncomfortabili uncomfortability. >> i'm going to leave viewers with a lesson you repeat. pundits will say somebody won tonight but the voters ultimately will decide. >> that's right. is that a question or just -- >> that was a wrapping it up statement. >> okay. got it. wrap away, tony. >> we've got to go. we'll talk to you later, major. our primetime coverage of the first presidential debate starts tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern, 6:00 p.m. pacific right here on cbs. >> i do like when major says that. >> he's right. oh, so true. a new wildfire outbreak in northern california has turned deadly. at least three people were killed in the zogg fire burning north of sacramento. nearly 70,000 people have been told to leave their homes in the wine country north of san francisco where the glass fire combined with two others just yesterday. the flames have burned more than 50 square miles leaving parts of the area looking like mars.

jonathan vigliotti is in napa county with more on this story. >> good morning to you. you are looking at yet another home that's about to go up in flames. the fire has destroyed more than 100 structures at this hour as it continues to push its way down the mountainside into neighborhoods. nearly 70,000 people have been evacuated. the fire stands at 0% containment. as it continues to grow. the glass fire tore through napa in sonoma county monday consuming a decades-old winery and popular bed and breakfast. it damaged the elite meadowwood resort while leaving entire neighborhoods in ruins. evacuees say they had little time to outrun the flames as it grew to tens of thousands of acres. >> a lot of explosions, flames everywhere. >> as you were escaping? >> yes. >> reporter: the conditions here are so dry, it is like a tinderbox. these flames are getting

dangerously close to neighborhoods. the fire forced members of this retirement community, home to more than 4,500 seniors, to evacuate. it covered carbs with ash and turned the skies above sonoma county red as the smoke blocked the sun. >> beautiful day in the napa value. just unbelievable. >> reporter: so far this year, california has seen more than 8,000 wildfires. destroying more than 7,000 buildings, scorching nearly 5800 square miles. that's the size of almost 3 million football fields. 29 people have died. three of those deaths came monday as the zogg fire, some 300 miles to the north, grew to 15,000 acres. those victims have not been identified. the california governor has declared a state of emergency in three counties, including here in napa county. and the weather conditions are not going to improve. it's going to be hot and dry for

much of the week. back to you. >> more trouble ahead, jonathan. thank you. this morning, the worldwide coronavirus death toll has reached 1 million people. it happened in less than nine months. more than 205,000 of those victims are americans. and the rate of new infections in the u.s. is on the rise again. the trump administration is launching a plan announced last month to increase covid testing. the goal is to help schools and businesses reopen safely. our lead national correspondent david begnaud is in new york city where elementary schools are reopening for in-person learning. david, this is going to affect a lot of kids. >> and it's going to look dramatically different. the people you see assembled behind me are getting ready to reopen this school. they are reopening in phases. today it's the elementary school. and we found out, of the 1.1 million students in the new york city school district, which is the largest public school system in the country, about 52% opted to come back for in-person

learning. so a pretty big number decided we wanted to stay home and keep learning virtually. today's reopening of school just happens to come on the same day the white house says we're rolling out millions more rapid tests. and here's why. >> we're announcing our plan to distribute 150 million abbott rapid point of care tests in the coming weeks. >> reporter: that was president trump on monday making good on a promise that he made a month ago. he is rolling out what appears to be a more robust national covid testing strategy. in part, the white house says, to help get kids back to school safely. >> one, two, three, four, five. into the test. and you wait 15 minutes. >> reporter: the roll otout is a sharp pivot for the president who dismissed the need for covid tests. the rapid testing comes as a new study shows an alarming increase for covid cases in america's children. in the beginning of april, kids accounted for 2% of all the positive covid test results.

by september, that was over 10%. dr. yvonne maldonado. >> we have heard that children don't get infected, they don't spread disease, and we know that's not true. so having said that, children are less likely to be infected with symptoms than adults. >> reporter: the average rate of new coronavirus cases is on the rise in at least 26 states. in utah, recent cases are rising. it's also where alicia geddes lives with her son turner. turner runs track and cross-country. after recovering from coronavirus earlier this year, he's been sidelined due to chest pains and difficulty breathing. specialists told both lecia and turn erhis problems are likely related to covid. >> the doctor said we don't know what's going to happen. and we don't know what the lasting side effects are. we need to be careful because

none of us know how it's going to affect any of us. >> reporter: because the pains wouldn't stop, they took him to see a heart doctor, a cardiologist, put him through a battery of tests, and everything looked normal. it's a story that doesn't get enough attention. these people who survive the virus but then deal with lingering symptoms for months to come. >> david, i keep hearing about these stories. you feel so great that you've gotten through it but still there are things that you still cannot get past. i feel for turner. what are the options? >> well, listen, the doctor said just keep doing what you do, but he said if you start to feel it as you run, you need to stop and let the body heal its way forward. >> so much still unknown about covid-19. thank you very much, david. good to see you. ahead -- surprising new developments in the breonna taylor case. a controversial claim from a grand juror and what the kentucky attorney general is saying in response to that.

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welcome back to "cbs this morning". we are learning about a surprising move by one of the grand jurors who looked into the breonna taylor case. that juror is calling for information from the secret proceedings to be made public. meantime the kentucky attorney general confirms he did not recommend murder charges to the grand jury. taylor was killed in march during a botched police raid. a grand jury decided last week not to charge the lou

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deflect accountability and responsibility for these decisions. >> detective cosgrove and sergeant mattingly were justice department in returning fire because they were fired upon. >> reporter: late last night, cameron confirmed he recommended the indictment of hankison because he believed the others were acting in self-defense. the attorney for taylor's boyfriend said the evidence will show they violated the law. walker said he fired a warning shot first. they say it hit an officer but walker's attorney said it may not have. these developments come the same day vice news published audio reportedly from an interview that was conducted with the

s.w.a.t. lieutenant that reported to the scene. >> it was just an egregious act, i mean, from our perspective if that's in fact what happened, if other details come to light, it is what it is. >> reporter: the president of the louisville metro council said these developments degrade the integrity of the case. >> i don't know how the grand jury came up with the conclusions. >> reporter: a former prosecutor and defense counsel told us releasing the secret grand jury proceedings sets a, quote, terrible precedence. the deadline to do that is tomorrow. it seems the more information you hear about the case the more questions you have about the case. more to come. thank you very much. ahead we'll hear from former members of an alleged cult known as nxivm, why they still support their former leader after he was convicted of sex trafficking and other charges too. we'll be right back. right back.

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convicted. >> reporter: marc, suneel, eduardo and michele and nicki have not spoken about their. >> i'm in nxivm. >> it was a parent company. >> very unfortunate the way that the word nxivm has been applied and is now synonymous with the term sex cult which i don't even know how to define what is that. >> reporter: some former members ve define it. in a civil lawsuit more than 80 plaintiffs claim nxivm nctionfu as both a ponzi scheme and coercive community where elm. abused and that it was difficult and in some cases impossible to leave. >> outside of gender, outside of sex, there's human. >> reporter: in 1998 keith raniere founded nxivm in albany, new york, branches stretched across the u.s. and into mexico and canada. the company offered self-help courses through its executive success programs but prosecutors

say around 2015 keith raniere added a secret female only society to nxivm. >> nxivm is a methodology. >> reporter: in a new series on hbo former members say women were classified in levels as masters with slaves below them and some masters were tasked with selecting women who could become sexual partners for keith raniere. at the top, prosecutors say was allison mack. the former "smallville" star, women who were a part of dos were forced to give over collateral like inside photos. they had to ask for permission to eat. some were also branded with keith raniere and max initials. sarah edmondson was a member of

dos. >> two hours of watching other people get branded and they weren't doing well. they were squirming, crying, twic twitching. >> raise your hand if you are or were a member of dos. >> reporter: economicy klein was married to keith raniere. the one time actress was never charged with a crime. we asked about the brandings. >> do you think there's a difference between being branded and being brand. it's an art -- i just want to say. >> reporter: is branding true? >> we're not denying that certain things took place. there's evidence that certain things happened. how they happened, why they happened and why certain people chose them that's a whole other conversation. >> reporter: were women in dos

having sexual relations with keith? did either of you have sexual relation with keith? >> we don't want to talk about that. >> reporter: that's a yes or no question. >> i want to step back a little because if i went up to you and ask you how many people you had sex with it's none of my business. >> reporter: last year keith raniere was convicted of seven crimes. on friday the group delivered an affidavit to prosecutors asking the home affirm they acted ethically. >> handing a document to a prosecutor saying hey can you sign here. i didn't tamper with evidence. i didn't lie to the public. i didn't lie to the court. >> reporter: keith raniere will be sentenced in october and is facing up to life in prison while allison mack who pled guilty to racketeering is awaiting a sentencing date. >> i haven't spoken to her for a year and a half. part of her conditions of her bail she couldn't speak to anyone who was affiliated in anyway with the case or with

nxivm. >> reporter: if you could go back would you still have been involved with keith and nxivm? >> yeah. i wouldn't trade any of my experiences for anything. >> reporter: prosecutors declined to comment on the allegations and the affidavit. but they shared a court filing containing emails that appeared to show keith raniere helped orchestrate the affidavit from prison pap dozen of keith raniere's victims call it a publicity stunt. he maintains his innocence. >> thank you. >> very confusing. >> you clearly have some people who went along with it willingly but there are also clearly others who did not. >> is nicki still there, john? i thought it was an interesting question when you asked have they had sex with mr. keith raniere. normally she's right. unless people were claiming they

had sex against their will. that was a very interesting distinction. >> reporter: we're talking about a man who has been convicted on seven crimes and in prison for sex trafficking. >> all right. thank you very much. ahead vladimir duthiers will look at the stories you'll be >> announcer: this portion of s astrazeneca. visit us at astrazeneca-us.com.

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president trump and joe biden in their first presidential debate. the first chance to see the two men engage with each other. >> everyone is expected to wear one of the medical masks except the two candidates and the moderator. we're told not to expect a handshake or elbow bump so they can keep their safe distance. >> white house officials questioned the timing of these reports as some house republicans are calling for an investigation into how the "new york times" obtained the president's financial records. >> another home that is about to go up in flames. the fire has destroyed more than 100 structures as it continues to push its way down the mountainside into neighborhoods. in the new york city school district, which is the largest in the country, today's reopening of school just happens to come on the same day the white house says we're rolling out millions more rapid tests. the debate will be in cleveland, ohio. workers were testing out the microphones and ended up debating one of the most divisive issues facing america, does pineapple belong on pizza?

>> pineapple is a fruit and doesn't belong on a pizza. >> come on, you can't put pineapples on pizza? that's bananas. putting bananas on pizza is pineapple. in scranton you got your sauce, your sauce meats, maybe a little romano and none of that monterey jack, jack. >> setting the stage for the debate tonight perhaps. >> yes. >> something tells me pineapple pizza ain't going to come up tonight. >> to. >> we'll start with this after everyone's criticizing each other at campaign events and social media, too, the candidates for president will each face each other in the very first presidential debate. president trump and former vice president joe biden will take the stage at case western reserve university in cleveland for the first of three debates. >> while the coronavirus may have forced some changes to the venue and the format, one thing will be very much the same, the candidates will have plenty to say about one another ed o'keefe is inside the debate hall in cleveland. good morning to you. >> reporter: tony, good morning.

welcome to the campus of case western reserve university and home of the cleveland clinic, two organizations taking coronavirus precautions seriously. here in the hall tonight it will look a little different, only about 80 to 100 invited guests, everyone here we're told will have tested negative for covid-19. up on stage, when you're watching from home, you'll see former vice president joe biden on the right, president trump on the left. the moderator also there on stage, we're told they're the only three people here who won't be wearing masks. there are six topics of debate tonight. they'll each divide it into 15-minute segments. the candidates will be asked about their records, the supreme court, coronavirus, the state of our economy, race and violence in the united states, and the integrity of our elections. campaign sources tell cbs news biden has been prepping in person at his home and virtually with advisers, as part of their preps we're told he's been reviewing the president's recent tweets. as for mr. trump, sources tell us he scrapped traditional practice and instead has been reviewing videos of past debates that biden participated in.

thinking pack over the past year, the course of this campaign, democrats especially said they were very eager to see which of their candidates would end up here on stage going toe to toe with the president. it is joe biden, they'll meet her tonight, and two more times until election day. antho anthony? >> thank you. rob was the presidential campaign manager for hillary clinton in 2016 and terry managed senator marco rubio's campaign. good morning, gentlemen. robby, let me start with you. you went through this four years ago with hillary clinton. how does joe biden approach debating donald trump? >> the campaign has announced that he is going to be laser focused on his own agenda. it's really easy. we faced with this hillary, easy to get bogged down in fact-checking donald trump, a lot of what he's going to say is not true. trump is desperate in this

debate to change the narrative. stop talking about covid. let's stop making this a referendum on his presidency, let's bring something else up and joe biden's got to keep this a referendum on donald trump. so i think that's what we'll see him doing, but he cannot get bogged down in checking every fact otherwise he's never going to talk about what he wants to say. >> terry, biden got defensive in debates during the primaries at times. is that a danger for him? >> yes, it really is. look, as a campaign manager, one of the toughest things to do is to control what's going to happen in debate and remove as many variables as possible. as robby said, preparing to debate donald trump is just a bag full of unknowns. if this was a fight, mike tyson, you can train your boxer as much as you want but mike tyson, sorry, donald trump is the mike tyson of debaters. he's not going to come in and fight in a normal way that you can plan for. he's going to come in and bite your ear off.

this is going to be a brawl and he's going to be unconventional and going to come at you and that's tough to prepare your candidate for. >> how do you guys think mr. trump is going to handle the tax story, which is suddenly taken over the headlines? >> he fielded this in 2016. >> robby, start. >> go ahead. no, i was going to say hillary -- he faced this from hillary in 2016, too. she walked through this, actually i would argue really anticipated everything we just saw in this article. he's just going to say he was smart, and frankly, again, i think it's easy to see something like that as an important rabbit hole to go down. at the end of the day i think it's a raabity hole. fundamentally the case joe biden has to make is trump lied to the american people and failed on covid. their lives would have been better if someone else had been in charge. if he gets into taxes, i think it's a diversion from his core objectives in this debate for sure. >> terry? >> i completely agree with

robby. the one thing i'd add to that is that if you're going to head down this line of attack, the president is going to see this as him being beating the irs, outsmarting the tax code. if joe biden is going to be faced with this and have to answer it, he needs to attack this as donald trump's not as successful as you normally thought he would. donald trump doesn't care if you hate him. what he cares about is if you're laughing at him and you think he's a failure. we saw this any time anybody's gotten the best of him minimizing him and laughing at him. he can't handle that and comes unraveled and we saw that on 2016 in multiple formats. biden will push this issue and needs to push as tumprns out yo didn't make much money after all, you were losing money. >> no one likes to hear that either, terry, especially if you've been saying your theme song is "money, money, money, money" you don't have money as much as you said. the voting is under way, the

numbers show more than 1 million people already voted and if you haven't voted, you certainly have made up your mind is the belief. so how much of a difference do these debates make? yet i can't wait for tonight. many people are excited to see what's going to happen tonight but how much of a difference does it really make at this stage? >> i don't know that it does. >> yes. >> we've seen that the past few presidential cycles. it just hasn't made much of a difference. it's fun. it's fun to watch. it's good sport. we're all going to pick winners, losers, winning moments, losing moments and all that but i don't think it will have much impact on the voters. what's the takeaway, right, if i'm the biden campaign, i want people to come out of this debate thinking about donald trump's record. if i'm donald trump, i want voters thinking about something else about joe biden, about you that's really the best a campaign can do. >> terry, do you agree with that? >> one thing that i think is interesting about this cycle, in 2020, in a year of huge

instability, we've had riots in the streets, we've had peaceful protests, we've had global pandemics, we've had economic collapses. out of all of those things, the one thing that has been constant is donald trump and joe biden' polling numbers. it is the most bizarre thing i've ever seen. the national polling which i know it's not about national polls but it's a great barometer has not changed outside of a point or two in either direction since biden was the functional nominee of the party. >> terry -- >> that's amazing. nothing is going to change this race and i don't think the debates are going to do it. >> terry, the president spent a lot of time questioning mr. biden's mental state. do you think mr. biden has something to prove tonight? >> yes, i mean the president has made it really easy for joe biden to pass that test. when you spend the past six months to a year saying someone is sleepy and on drugs and god knows what else, if you just don't fall off the stage and drool on yourself, you're going to be okay. at the end of the day, the bar

has been lowered. >> all right, terry sullivan, robby mook -- >> something i know about. >> terry putting it in perspective. >> envisioning him drooling now. thank you both. our live prime time coverage of first presidential debate tonight tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern/6:00 p.m. pacific on cbs. we'll talk with actor ethan hawke about his newest project, where portraying john brown abolitionist in the new "the good lord bird" is the best role he's ever had and great

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a new report just out this morning is shining a spot light on sexual misconduct in entertainment business. a nonprofit group called hollywood commission surveyed more than 9600 people in the industry. only 35% say they believed it was very or somewhat likely that those in position of power would

be held accountable for harassing someone who worked underneath them. the commission is chaired by anita hill. she gained attention back in 1991 when she testified at the senate confirmation hearings for supreme court justice clarence thomas who she accused of sexual harassment. he denied those allegation. anita hill joins us for an interview you'll see first on "cbs this morning". good morning to you. always good to see you. we got a lot to talk about. i'll start with the survey. it says most workers believe those in the positions of power won't be held accountable for their actions yet only 28% of workers who say they experienced misconduct reportd it. what does that tell you? >> well, it the tells me that there's a lack of trust in system. the workers will explain why they don't report. they don't report one, because they think no one will take them seriously. they don't report because they

fear that they will be retaliated against and they don't report because they don't think anything will happen to the person they are accusing. >> as the movement made a difference? >> we find the movement and the measures that have been put in place in last year or so have made a difference. it's just not enough. you know, cultural change is very slow. and that's what we're trying to do. it's more than just putting into play measures and process and policies. it really is moving and working inside organizations to change a culture of silence. >> so what your trying to do bring about real change? how do you do is that >> we've done a number of things. and particularly as it relates to accountability. one of the measures we're

introducing is a new platform that will allow for greater accountability. it's a check enabled platform that allows for an individual to logon to an app that they will be provided by an organization which they are associated, whether it's a studio or a guild. and they can report problems that are occurring in their workplace. >> the battle for equality in entertainment industry sort of seems to mirror what's going on in social justice right now, don't you think? >> absolutely. te issue of accountability is not limited to hollywood. it's not limited to issues of sexual harassment. issues of accountability process move like black lives matter. people want accountability for the deaths of breonna taylor

anan and george floyd. people want accountability where we are right now with covid and issues that people are investigation their health. >> yeah. i wanted to talk -- >> it's bigger than any one survey can capture but we definitely worked hard to understand where worker are with the issue of accountability and what they want in order to solve the problems. >> i hear that. i want to talk now to private citizen anita hill. is she available. maybe she's wearing different glass. >> should i change my glasses? >> yes i would like to talk to private citizen anita hill if you don't mind because she said that you're absolutely not convince ad thorough supreme court confirmation can happen before the election. why do you think that? >> people are concerned about so many things that are going on. but to start with, let's think

about what a confirmation hearing is there for. it's there for the senate to understand the nominee and the nominee's positions and qualifications, and character. it's there for the american public to understand the nominee and what they bring to the court in terms of their judicial positions. and the public really needs time to absorb all of this, especially in middle of where we are right now with the -- with so many thing including the election. >> let's talk about where we are right now. joe biden was very tough on you during those 1991 confirmation hearings. yet you have announced that you are going to endorse him. what did it take for you to get past that? >> well, really at this point i understand that the problems of harassment, whether they are in hollywood or in your local

restaurant are severe. and it's not just harassment, you know, there's a whole range of gender based violence that people are experiencing and, again, the question of accountability comes up over and over again. we as a country need to do something about those problems. we're work at the commission to do it. and i know that organizes throughout this country are working. but i think that at the time the government really looked at this problem and the huge public problem and develop an agenda. >> all right, anita hill i'm sorry we got less than five seconds. i'm sure joe biden of glad to hear you're going to endorse him. coming up later, bishop t.d. jakes.

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sports on television, zoom in relatives bust nothing more. >> i get it. i normally go away, 16 of us not going this year because nobody wants to get on a plane. i'm looking for a thanksgiving spot at somebody's table. throwing it out there. i got nothing. i want to sit at somebody's table. where you going to be? >> come to our house, gayle. you can sit right next to my father-in-law. [ laughter ] >> that would be interesting. >> is he single? >> yes, he is. >> a new study -- mine is about weddings. it suggests your first dance at your wedding may set the tone for your marriage. 5,500 couples in britain were asked what song they chose. elton john's "can you feel the love tonight" was chosen the most by couples who call their marriages happy. followed by "isn't she lovely"

and "the way you look tonight." the other side couples who knows "little things" not so good. elvis presley "i can't help falling in love" and "chasing cars." your song makes a difference. do you remember what your songs were? >> do you remember? >> okay. all right. so i couldn't remember that we had a wedding song so i texted my wife in the break and she goes we didn't have dancing, doofus. we didn't. >> mine was "got to be real" by cheryl lynn. don't choose that one. >> three songs for happy couples, two of three are focused on the woman which is interesting. of the three that don't have happy outcomes they are more

general. specificity matters. >> i say pick what you like. >> that's a good idea. >> doofus pick what you like. >> only your wife can call you that. >> every day. here's my story. i picked this because i remembered when i lived in suburbs and i used to have to take the garbage out to the curb at night i wish i could find a way do this faster. take a look what this man did. that is a man in england who smashed an on land record reached 43 miles per hour in a trash bin with wheels is that terrifying old record -- yes there was one -- by 13 miles per hour. the engineer modified the bin with a motor bike engine, gearbox, ignition and steering from a mobility record. they also the same day set the record for fastest motorized

toilet and garden shed. >> motorized toilet. >> i love trash bin. i wish that's how i could take out the trash. >> there was an event for this. a record. >> let's bring in bishop t.d. jakes. he always saves the day. considered one of the most splu influential spiritual leaders. he's a film producer, grammy award winner. his new book is called "when women bray." bishop t.d. jakes joins us first on "cbs this morning". always good to see you bishopation. >> good morning. it's a plea sure to be with you. >> good morning. in the book you say winston churchill says when in hell keep going. you say when you are going through hell keep praying.

you're to concussion on women. why? >> it's very important. this is a critical time for women. they are up to bat in so many different ways, whether they are in board rooms or the courtrooms or whether they are in legislature or managing an office or managing getting kids off to school. more and more pressure and more and more responsibility is placed on them and particularly at this time when we're facing so many crises in the world. i wanted to look at how to survive life. >> you say prayer is need more than ever now because americans are grieving. what do you mean >> well we've had over 200,000 people to die. we had millions of people to be contracted with this virus where many have not recovered well. we're grieving because your emotions about our country and ourselves have been shattered.

we're grieving because of violence, crime, police brutality, racial discord, the economy shaky, losing our jobs. a whole list of things that caused us regardless what you think about the particulars of those things, it is still stressful on either side of the argument. >> you talked about sara. sara's story was fascinating to me because you said god's ability to act is not dependent on your ability to pray. you don't have to be religious to ray. most people think how do you pray if you're not religious. >> yeah. well, you know, the thing about it is we egomaniac to god and think we have to be sanctimonious. it's a relationship. we need be mystified by tart of prayer by understanding you're having a conversation, easing some of the pressure, you dump some of the load, getting the stress off of yourself and

recognizing that there's somebody bigger than you is comforting at a time where we have little to trust in that's stable and solid in times we're living in right now. >> you came to us in march when covid was first starting. certainly you didn't think we would still be talking about this as we burkhead into october and in book you talk about the loss for you, your church, your community and funerals being able to preside over funerals. can you explain what you mean by that? >> it is, in fact, very stressful and very difficult. we're designed to want to comfort families, to be there when they are grieving. our church does about 400 funerals a year. that number has escalated. the tragedy, the atrocities of families that are grieving because they couldn't welcome back their loved ones when they died. the limitations on the funerals, nobody can touch anybody, you can't give them a hug. sometimes it's not so much what we say when people are hurting you can't even hug a bereaved

wife or children. and particularly in african-american communities sometimes there are people in our community that the only time that they really get to really express their appreciation and they only get to be important at a funeral and when you lose that you lost a lot and i've lost an ear piece. you lost a lot. that is demoralizing. it increases the grief process and guilt process of not being with them to hold them and help them nuclear weapon say when women pray they find hope and joy in unexpected places but also room for men too. you're not leaving men out of this conversation. >> no. i started out with women because there are a lot of men today they are where they are because ever prayers of their mothers and grand mothers, wives and daughters.

but it does not exclude men. in fact the bible is very open of men praying without ceasing. though i used ten women i think men will find inspiration in those pages too. >> all right bishop t.d. jakes, always good to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> "when women pray" is on sale today wherever you like to buy your books. ahead and first on "cbs this morning," i so love when that happens, actor ethan hawke will discusss hisis rolee in good lo bird. and anthony says he's got a lot in it. plus how he's taking up database we'll tell

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>> ethan hawke says he's been preparing for his current role for his entire life. he place james brown in good lord bird. ethan hawke is an executive producer. brown's story is told from the perspective of an enslaved boy nicknamed onion. he's adopted by brown's crew of abolitionist soldiers as they fight to free slaves across the state of kansas in the 1850s.

>> my name is captain john brown and i am here in the name of the great king of kings, the man of the holy trinity and i here by order you to get, get in his holy name, get, for he's on the side of justice and you are on the side of change. >> that's a little intense right? ethan hawke joins us first on "cbs this morning". first of all, it's just a fabulous performance. thank you for being with us. welcome. i think -- >> thanks for having me. >> some people remember john brown a little bit from history class. i remember seeing a picture of the huge mural of him that's in the kansas state capitol with his arms, his hair looking on

fire, a bible in one hand and a gun in the other. who is the real john. brown? >> well that painting the magnificent. i had a poster of that painting in my dressing room. who is john sbroun a great question. there's a reason why a lot of our history teachers since the civil war haven't taught us because he's an incendiary figure. in many ways he started the civil war. if you teach him you have to teach the history of slavery. i remember -- my parents were split up and my dad went to texas an my mom went to vermont. i got two different teachings about john brown if his name came up. one person would tell you it's the story of northern aggression and crazy terrorist white guy and another side would say he was a freedom fighter.

i studied his letters. in truth he's an extremely religious man who bleefelieved equality of mankind. >> when you read james mcbride's book which is surprisingly funny as is this series. i mean you find yourself laughing at things you think you would never laugh at. you envisioned actually jeff bridges playing john brown. [ laughter ] >> yeah. that's how old i've gotten. >> what changed your mind? >> well, i don't know. i think it's a little bit -- first of all you're so right. mcbride's book is histosterste funny. mcbride puts so much love and

humor in it. i love jeff bridges. i pictured a hero, he's always been a hero to me. but slowly i realized that it was a really good part and why would i give it up. >> you say you've been working your whole life, ultimately to play this part. why? >> it is a little bit like king le lear. you know that scene they just showed, you know, i'm carrying two pistols, i got about 40 pound of wool on me and it was 107 in virginia and i got to scream all day. it's about the closest i ever came to having a heart attack is in that shot. >> i can imagine. there are a lot of distinctive things about the film. your daughter maya is in series. that's the first time you've worked together, right?

>> well, i like to joke. we've been working together since she's been about 4. this young person, she's an incredibly gifted kid. she's not a kidney more. she always has been. she plays music and she paints and she writes beautiful lyrics. she has a new album out that's pretty magnificent and she's on ""stranger things"" right now. i got lucky because of her success. normally if a dad wants his daughter to be in a show producing everybody thinks it's nepotism. when i said we want maya can we get in touch with her. >> like you she does many things because i heard that during the pandemic in addition to all the other things you do, write novels, direct, act you've taken up painting? >> well, i don't say i paint well. let me be clear. i've taken up painting to try to

maintain some sanity. you know, i'm a very busy restless person. i work all the time. i don't think i realized how much of my identity and self-respect and esteem i put into my wore and without it i felt really off balance. not being able to go to work every day. i started doing, you know -- i started doing watercolors like one a day just to try to remember every day to make myself feel like i did something. >> i know the feeling. you've done a lot. ethan hawke, the good lord bird is fantastic. premiers this sunday on showtime. nice work. ethan hawke, thanks so much for being with us. it's a really fabulous performance. congratulations. we'll be right back. >> that's i'm voting 'yes' on prop 19

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