tv Face the Nation CBS October 5, 2020 2:32am-3:02am PDT
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♪ >> brennan: president trump is now one of the almost 35 million reported covid cases worldwide. cbs's elizabeth palmer reports from london on how other world leaders are handling the crisis. >> reporter: good morning. when the news broke that president trump had covid, european leaders sent their good wishes, of course. and almost immediately doubled down on their own precautions. at a summit in brussels, germany's angela merkel ended up doing some anti-covid-19 kabuki with italy's prime minister when he got too close. no one has forgotten what
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happened to boris johnson -- >> you'll be pleased to know that i continue to shake hands. >> reporter: he caught covid in march and almost died. johnson's back at work now, but colleagues say he still suffers fatigue and shortness of breath. another famous covid scoff scoffer was brazil's president. he caught the virus in july. it was a mild case, though, and he was soon back at work with higher approval ratings, in spite of covid brazil into recession. it is also one of the three countries worse hit by the pandemic after the u.s. and india, which now leads the way, both in new infections and the number of dead. there has been a dramatic rise in cases in russia, too, even though scientists there claim
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their spotnk 5 vaccine works. volunteers may be getting it, but not vladimir putin. he is taking no chances. he barely goes out. and though recent military drills were a rare exception, anyone who wants to meet him has to quarantine for two weeks and then go through a special disinfection booth. here in london, we've just heard from prime minister boris johnson who warned britian's that things were going to be what he called bumpy right through christmas. and he said he also said that he thought president trump was going to be just fine. margaret? >> brennan: thank you. we turn now to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scot scott gottlieb. good morning. >> good morning. >> brennan: last night the president released a video, it was about four minutes, and he got
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through it without being winded. given what is being disclosed publicly at this pont, what do you think his sta know i wouldn't draw y conclufr dk good inn the of hi o he is not out of the woods. in the first week you have the viral response rate of the infection. it is the second week when patients sometimes get into trouble. there is some correlation with patients doing well that first week and being less likely to get in trouble the second week, when you have the inflammatory response. but there are exceptions, and i have talked to physicians who have seen patients who did well the first week and still got into trouble. we need to be cautious with the protestor and wish hi --president and wish hie best. >> brennan: day seven could be tough, that is the course of the vir kno a exactl ent is irse of h treatment and thee?
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>> doc so, again, it is hard to know based on the information that they disclosed. it sounds like he might have become symptomatic on wednesday. so he probably became infected on friday or saturday, at one of the events he was at. people are focusing on the supreme court introduction. so the spread could have been on friday or saturday or both. the president, hope hicks, and the first lady, and we'll start to see third generation cases start today or early this week. so the president does appear to be about three to four days into sort of a symptomatic phase, if you believe he becmpma wedneay. he sti hasimohi he is outoo >> bre c.dducting the contact tracing, and the national security advisor
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said the white house was doing it, but he was unable to bin poin pinpoint the source of the infection. how important is it to pin that down? >> this is the president of the united states. i think they have an obligation to understand how the infection was introduced into that environment. they might not be able to pinpoint it, but they should be very aggressive in a forensic analysis to try to find what the source of the infection was and see who brought it into that environment. that is going to be important, also, to understand who else could be at risk. are there any people who came out of that event who could be asymptomatic and they should get tested. i talked to a number of officials at that event on saturday, and a lot of focuses around that event, and they haven't been called yet by contact tracers. so that is concerning. >> brennan: that is concerning because that suggests potential further spread. speaker pelosi mentioned she had concerns about the type of testing that had
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been used at the white n 1a lyon was notto detect asymptomatic spread of covid-19. why did the procedures fail? >> doctor: the abbott test is a very good test when used appropriately. the white house was relying almost solely on testing as a way to protect the president. they needed a zero fail testing protocol because they weren't taking any other precautions. that requires multiple layers of testing. if you want something close to a zero test -- you'll never be able to achieve 100% -- you probably would need a p.c.r. test at the entrance of the white house. frankly, you need double layers of testing.
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you probably want to test people before they depart for the white house and test them again when they arrive. and even that wouldn't be 100%. but it would be closer. and now using the abbusng that o try to detect virus, you might only have 50% sensitivity, perhaps a little better than that, but you're going to let through some people who are infected. >> brennan: and who makes that call? >> i think it was the white house physician. i know that concerns about the testing machines that were being used were raised to the white house at various points. i think the white house physicians weighed in on that. i think they need to reassess this protocol. you should be taking other steps on the compound. the only people who were getting routinely tested were people who were going to be around the president. so staff was not being routinely tested. so it is possible to get the virus on to the compound, and from there you could have an outbreak within the white house
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compound. >> brennan: some members of the president's inner circle may still be at risk. the vice president, is he in the clear yet? >> doctor: anyone who was with the president on tuesday, wednesday is not in the clear. anyone who was with any of the people who were currently infected earlier this week, they were probably at their peak contagion at that point. typically your most contagious 24hours before the onset of symptoms. the debate prep on tuesday is a potential third generational spread. we'll likely see more cases emerge, unfortunately, early this week from people sho who are currently i infected who went on to infect other people. we hope not. but it is more than likely you will see additional cases of third generation spread. >> brennan: we will continue to update the public.
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oer cov-19 labthe fiommercial b march. the c.e.o., adam schechter, joins us from new hope, pennsylvania. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. thanks for having me here today. >> brennan: sure. we heard that the president reportedly did take a p.c.r. test, that kind of gold standard test to confirm his initial diagnosis. how reliable are the different testing platforms that we're talking about? >> sure. there are really three types of tests. the p.c.r. test, as you mentioned. that test searches for the genetic material of the virus. but it does take time to get the results for that test. when we receive a test, it takes us about 24hours, on
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average, to achieve the results. the second test is an antigen test. you can do that without machinery, and that test looks for a protein on the surface of the virus. it is less accurate than the p.c.r. test, but it is a good test in trying to understand where the disease is. and the third type of test is an antibody test, which is a blood test. the blood test searches for antibodies in your blood. that tells you if you've had the virus in the past. >> brennan: is the kind of tool that the white house was using, these rapid tests, is that sufficient to detect the virus in asymptomatic people, in your view? >> yeah, so the type of test that the white house was using, the abbott test, is a p.c.r. test, but it is not running as many iterations as the test we run. i think it is an acceptable test to try to scor p but ittainlyotsu. there is no doubt peopleuld continutoia
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distance, practice good hijackehygiene, even if they hae a negative result from that test. >> brennan: labcorp says you can turn around a test in 24 hours. this summer, during that uptake in particular in july, there were back logs for far longer than that. what do you need to do to avoid those back logs as we get into the fall and winter? >> we've been building capacity since march of last year. we started from scratch. we were able to do 2,000 to 3,000 tests per day. we can now do over 200,000 tests per day. on average, we're receiving about 100,000 samples a day, but we're not stopping there. we're building more and more capacity. at the same time, we need people to do their part as we go into flu season, get flu vaccinations, socially distance, and wear a mask. we also launched a combine test, where you can test
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with one nasal swab a imiption ocombination of flu and r.s.v. and covid. >> brennan: the testing companies like you receive about $100 per test. if your company can't around results in two days, which is what dr. fauci says is necessary to be useful, why should your company be paid? >> so we are doing everything we can to turn around those results as fast as possible. every one of our 65,000 labcorp employees around the world are working day and night. our labs are open seven days a week, running 24 hours a day. s gong to cause usrseme to move faster than we can. we want to move as fast as we possibly can. these are our friends and family and neighbors, so we are doing everything for a faster turn around time.
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i disagree that it is faster than two days. because if you find out in three days you don't have the virus and you're feeling better and can go back to work, that's better than having to guarantee for 10 days. >> brennan: some people, including lawmakers, aren't quarantining. are you saying that labcorp does not anticipate a backlog if we see infections continue to rise in the u.s.? can you avoid what happened this summer? >> right now, we are building capacity every day. we're at 200,000 tests a day right now. and we will not stop. we're buying every machine we can. we're doing everything we can to prepare for the fall flu season. but i really encourage people to help us by getting the flu shot, by practicing social distancing, and masks work, we know they work. if we do all of those things, i think we'll be in a good position going into the flu season. >> brennan: all right.
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he blows right by 'em oh the fridge looks like he's headed for the soda. wait! he jukes left! grabs the water bottle now he's just gotta get out of there. look what dropped from the sky! don't do it dennis. that's the way you execute a midnight snack run. stand up to cancer and rally want you to reduce your risk for cancer, go to takeahealthystand.org. >> brennan: one of our favorite ways to talk to voters in an election year is through a focus group. and this year, like millions of other americans, we're talking on zoom. friday night we spoke with three biden supporters and three trump supporters about the president's diagnosis. >> it is probably an eye-opener for him. >> brennan: what do you mean an eye-opener for him? >> sometimes i wonder whether enough people take the virus seriously, i guess. >> brennan: and you think he hasn't? >> i'm a mask believer, i
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really believe in masks, ad i guess i wish masks were, from the get-go, we were all suggested to use it. >> brennan: thomas, you're out in ohio, and i know you're also a supporter of the president. >> when i heard he had coronavirus, i guess i was -- i. i've always thought from the beginning of this pandemic that we would all end up being exposed to it at some point. >> brennan: jill, you live in houston, texas. in that area masks did become a big political battle. >> i wasn't surprised because i'm in the health care field. i know the importance of being protected. and i was really surprised that he ever got -- that he ever encouraged people not to. it was concerning to me, so i can't say that i was surprised when i found out. >> brennan: j.r., you're in georgia, where this also became heavily
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politicized. >> well, i'm a firm believer in karma, i just am. the president just has never taken this seriously. he said that he has the best genes, he is going to be the healthiest president. and i'm saddened, actually, that he is in the hospital right now. i really am. but, i mean, this is of his own doing. he should have taken every precaution because he knew about it before we did and he didn't tell us. >> brennan: you were a trump supporter -- >> no. no longer. i tried to give him a chance. i mean, but our country is in peril. people are not taking this seriously. it sounds like a whole different country. it doesn't sound like the united states. it sounds like some other country. and we're going through all of this. it's so sad. >> brennan: it is sobering news today.
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laurie, you live outside nashville, tennessee. when it comes to the president's health, are you trusting the news you're receiving? >> yeah. i don't have any reason to believe that we're not being told the truth about that. i also think, at least in my own circles, people i know and care about, i know some people who this didn't start to hit home for them until someone they know and love contracted it himself. and that may be the case here, seeing someone prominent have it will change some of the health recommendations. >> brennan: can i see a show of hands for those of you who believe that the news of the president's illness will affect the presidential campaign. jill, why do you think it will affect votes? >> knowing he has the virus, and maybe all of the people that went out and supported him and went to rallies and didn't wear
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masks, maybe they feel a little betrayed. it may affect a few people. >> brennan: juan, do you feel you've been misled? >> not in the least bit. he told us in the beginning. he tried to be positive, but he never lied to us. he said china lied and people died. bad things happen. it is a horrible, horrible virus. my wife's uncle's wife died way at the very beginning, in march. so we knew it was serious. and i don't think he ever lied to us. he was trying to pump us up and trying to keep us positive while the experts were giving you the nuts and bolts of what was going on. >> brennan: cbs has been doing a lot of research and polling, and one of the recent polls showed a majority of republicans, 57%, told us that the death count from covid-19 is an acceptable number. tom, are you one of the republicans who thinks that the current death
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count is acceptable? >> i do think it is acceptable when we were faced with the initial estimates of anywhere from two to four million people dying in this pandemic. >> brennan: where did you hear those estimates? >> that was at the start. all right, so when everything started percolating when it came to the virus, i mean the news was very dire out of china, when they started. but i think that we had very little information to go on. and so was it a desperate situation? well, it wasn't presented to us that way. the worst-case scenario was anywhere from two to four million dying. you're talking about a country of almost 350 million people here, okay? so 200,000, it's too many -- yes, it's too many. but when you start thinking about what could have been and what the initial estimates for the
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percentage of people that would die with this virus, i think our health care workers did an incredible job helping people here. and so, you know, hats off to them because they really stepped up and took care of people. and the therapeutics have helped -- >> brennan: and i should have mentioned you are in ohio, where you say you're seeing a lower number right now. will all of you get a vaccine? how many of you will get a vaccine when it is approved by the f.d.a.? jill, you're a health care worker, you're not going to get a vaccine? >> absolutely not. because until it is done properly and tested properly, i'm not going to be a guinea pig. basically that's what they're going to be doing because by rushing it and saying, we've got the vaccine and everything is back to normal, they'll be testing it on humans, and i will not be a human test. >> brennan: j.r., i understand that you lost a number of family members
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to covid-19. >> yeah. i actually have someone who is in the hospital now. >> brennan: given that, why wouldn't you go for a vaccine? >> you all heard of the tuskegee experiment, i'm reluctant to put anything in my body that i don't know what it is. >> brennan: what would change your mind? what would make you believe it is safe? >> 290 million people took it and were fine. >> brennan: jill, you were shaking your head when he specifically mentioned the tuskegee experiment? >> yes. we have a right to kind of feel that way after what was done during that experiment. who is to say anybody would are fair to us now. >> brennan: when you say "us" -- >> african-americans.
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i'm not a person that normally thinks that way, but when i look at everything that is going on in the world now, and all of the racial divid and everything, it just a littls tragree with jill, exactly the same. i feel like african-americans, people of color, atst thought, hey, we wer going to get this disease. and now we't we're thtargets of this disease, and we're bearing the brunt of this disease. i literally have pe who have died from this know, and someone is itensive care right now, an heart is break to take thi vaccine that theng eardush out fasn of -- they stien't found a vaccine for aids. hout out ainess aa i cannot stt. it doesn't compute in mind.sorry. >> brennan: and you can see a lot more of conversation w focus group on our website at "face th fac.com. we'll be r
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lightlife. interventions of supplemental oxygen. today the president was reported to be without a fever. brgutdifficulty. we begin outside walter reed in bethesda, maryland. >> i'm about to make a little surprise visit. >> after tweeting the video from his suite at walter reed hospital late today, the president made a surprise drive by, waving to supporters outside. >> the president's doctors say he is extremely eager to get back to the white house. and that could happen, they say, as early as monday. bu they are describing some symptoms that are deeply worry some. >> i came here wasn't feeling so well, i feel much better now. >> reporter: from his suite at walter reed military center, president trump posted the this video on twitter saturday night.
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