>> when you have a million deaths and over 30 million infections globally, you cannot say that we're on the road to essentially getting out of this. so, quite frankly, i don't know where we are. it's impossible to say. >> what dr. fauci knows for sure is here in the united states, infections are beginning to rise as the weather gets colder and people congregate indoors. over the last two weeks, new cases have gone up in at least 38 states. >> how bad would things have to get for you to advocate a national lockdown? >> they would have to get really, really bad. first of all, the country is fatigued with restrictions. so, we want to use public health measures not to get in the way of opening the economy, but to being a safe gateway to opening the economy. so, instead of having an opposition, open up the economy, get jobs back or shut down.

no. put shutdown away and say we're going to use public health measures to help us safely get to where we want to go. >> those measures were not in place last month in the rose garden when president trump announced nomination of amy coney barrett to the supreme court. >> were you surprised president trump got sick? >> absolutely not. i was worried that he was going to get sick when i saw him in a completely precarious situation of crowded, no separation between people and almost nobody wearing a mask. when i saw that on tv, i said, oh, my goodness. nothing good can come out of that. that's got to be a problem. and then sure enough it turned out to be a superspreader event. >> after three days in the hospital with covid-19, president trump returned to the white house and soon started holding political rallies. >> i'm in such great shape.

>> president trump is -- >> earlier this month, the trump campaign released this television ad. it features what appears to be a glowing remark from dr. fauci on president trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. >> i can't imagine that anybody could be doing more. >> stunning -- >> fauci says his words were taken out of context. but this week the ad continued to run in key battleground states. >> i do not and nor will i ever publicly endorse any candidate. and here i am, they're sticking me right in the middle of a campaign ad, which i thought was outrageous. i was referring to something entirely different. i was referring to the grueling work of the task force, seven days a week, i don't think we could have done anymore than that. >> did the seteam start to come out of your ears? >> it did. quite frankly i got very ticked

off. >> he says his ability to communicate with the public is not always under his control. >> during this pandemic has the white house been controlling when you can speak with the media? >> you know, i think you have to be honest and say yes. i certainly have not been allowed to go on many, many, many shows that have asked for me. >> one of the most trusted voices in america and yet you're not there. you're not allowed to talk with us. so, can you understand the frustration that maybe there's been a restriction on the flow of information, on the transparency? >> i think there has been a restriction, jon, but it doesn't -- it isn't consistent. >> another point of contention between dr. fauci and the white house has to do with masks. dr. fauci said -- >> he did not say. he said very strongly. >> we have a minute left. >> masks are not good. then he changed his mind and said masks are good. i'm okay with masks. >> at the beginning of the outbreak, dr. fauci recommended against routinely wearing masks partly because he was concerned there would be a shortage of surgical masks for health care

workers. but a month later, fauci reversed course after he says, it turned out people without symptoms were a significant source of spread. and masks, even homemade ones, could help stop transmission. >> so, let's see if we can put this to rest once and for all. it became clear that cloth coverings, things like this here, and not necessarily a surgical mask or an n95, cloth coverings work. so, now there's no longer a shortage of masks. number two, meta-analysis studies show that contrary to what we thought, masks really do work in preventing infection. >> no doubt. so, no doubt. so, when you find out you were wrong, you don't double down? >> no, when you find out you were wrong, it's a manifestation of your honesty to say, hey, i was wropg wrong.

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whose latest solo act has nothing to do with rock and roll. >> reporter: in the quiet of a late summer night, the artist is at work. this usually paint and draw at night. >> yes, nighttime. there's no magic to that. it's simple lack of visual stimulation. >> he makes intricate pen and brush images, all of them done in free hand in ink made in a centuries old formula. you may not be familiar with the sumi-e technique, but there's a chance you've already met the artist in another life. for most, david lee roth needs no introduction. as the original lead singer of

van halen, he was diamond dave on stage, a human cyclone of crazy energy. but the heart of the band was cofounder eddie van halen, who died of cancer earlier this month at age 65 and who was arguably one of the greatest guitarists who ever lived. david lee roth performed with van halen for the last time in 2015. and shortly after eddie's death posted this tweet. what a long great trip it's been. these days at home in california during the pandemic, roth's artistry is a bit more nuanced. but it didn't come easy. in fact, he spent two years in tokyo trying to master this technique. >> i spent the first six months painting bamboo because it was in spring/summer.

i said when are we going to paint something else. and he looked out the window and said, when the weather changed. and he wasn't kidding. so, for about four months, we painted a little house with snow on top. >> this is fascinating that you took two years of your life and went to tokyo to study japanese painting and drawing. >> you have a look that is a bit -- that's unusual. >> that's unusual. >> unexpected. okay. unexpected. is it unexpected good or unexpected eccentric to you? i'm curious. >> i think a little bit of both. i think it takes remarkable discipline and patience that most people, let alone a rock star who could be doing a lot of other things, would take the time to do. >> if you were a rock star and you had the money to do, just add that, do whatever it is, and i'm beyond all, i've always wanted a giant boat. if you can get past that, what would you use your rock stardom for? >> i don't know.

>> i've always used by celebrity as a passport for travel and let's go get into it. >> and here's something else he got into. in 2004, roth became a certified emt, emergency medical technician in new york city. he was 48 years old. but he says answering life and death emergency calls in the bronx was the thing in life that made him feel, well, like a rock star. >> i wasn't someone until i put on that 5/11 uniform and went on my first call. i'm not going to kid you. i knew i was in the humbling experience of thinking it was an easy gig. >> but you want to do it anyway. >> that's extra. you bet. >> he also learned that nay crisis, hit eps to have a little sense of humor. >> that is your only weapon. that is your only life preserver

you can give someone that's about to die. no one calls 911 just to wish you happy hanukkah. >> these days his time as a paramedic is behind him but roth is very much still a performer. ♪ before covid he had been touring az as a successful solo act. but now he says he's going to take it a little slower. >> you're going to space it out a little bit? >> i'm on my 45th year or something like that. it's great to see me, but not every year, like family. >> for now his media of the moment is pen and ink. it doesn't mean david lee roth will ever lose his voice. >> who has the most impact on history? government or the historian? >> he who tells the story, right? >> hello. that's yiddish for yo. >> so, is your art, your visual

art, story telling? >> my visual art is complaining. it's graphic therapy. i say through my graphic art everything that a lot of folks say

we're now just two weeks until the presidential election, and as expected a lot of people are being buried under a blizzard of polls. john dickerson has on what these polls may mean. >> we're in the high season of political polls. it feels like we're pelted with a new one by the hour. public interest and looming election day charge the atmosphere. are the polls solid? can they be trusted? what's the sample size? i've never been called. partisans bicker over interpreting the polls as if the election were on the line in that moment. in jittery times, polling keeps

everyone hopped up. maybe we should ignore them. we'll know soon enough. but we should not ignore the polls if for no other reason than political polling encouraging humility. that's useful in an age where everyone thinks they're so right about everything. over the whole stew of political polling looms the belief that the polls were wrong in the last election. this is the popular view. it is also the wrong view. in 2016, the average of national polls showed that hillary clinton was leading by around 3%. when the votes came in, she won the popular vote by a hair over 2%. very close. what was wrong was the way a lot of us thought about the polls and thought about the forecasts being made about who might win the election. hillary clinton was given anywhere from a 70% to 99% chance of winning. many people, even some who follow elections for a living,

decided to round that number up to 100%. the polls aren't to blame for that any more than the weather forecaster is to blame for your lack of umbrella when a 30% chance of rain is predicted. in this way the political class made a political mistake of leaning too hard on the numbers. in 1936 they overread a poll which showed missing by a mile because the poll participants looked more like the "literary digest" audience than the electorate. they misunderstood who might be voting, a mistake made in the midwestern states in 2016. it's the reason pollsters will be the first to warn about the uncertainties of polls. voters and pundits may need certainty from them, but that's on us. don't blame the polls for that. and that is "the overnight

news" for this tuesday. for some of you, the news continues. for others, check back later or "cbs this morning" and you can always follow us online any te it's tuesday, october 20th, 2020. this is the "cbs morning news." muting the mike. the rules get revamped for the final presidential debate as more states open the polls today for early voters. >> no one gave up hope and we kept looking. we knew we weren't going to leave until we found her. >> defying the odds. a missing hiker is found alive after 12 days in zion national park. we have new details about her commission and how she survived. jeff bridges health scare.