captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington. today on "face the nation," an excruciating election week is over as americ shatters voting records and elects its 46th president. but the 45th, so far, refuses to concede. >> the people of this nation have spoken. they delivered us a clear victory, a convincing victory. >> brennan: for the 74.5 million americans who voted for the biden/harris ticket, saturday was a rare day of jubilation in a year filled with fear and uncertainty. for the presumptive president-elect, the challenges ahead are enormous. >> i ledge to be a president who seeks not to divide but unify.

who doesn't see red states and blue states, only sees the united states. >> brennan: that's because the other 70 million americans who voted in campaign 2020 did not vote for the democrats. >> we won't stop! >> brennan: some are die-hard supporters of president trump who are challenging the projections and vote counts. >> don't be ridiculous. networks don't get to decide elections. courts do. >> brennan: actually, the voters do, but so far there is no evidence of fraud, and democratic leads in a recount could be insurmountable. >> i'm proud of the coalition we put together. >> brennan: in this election, more than a third of voters were non-white. more women voted than men, and the new administration reflects that diversity. senator kamala harris will be the first woman, the first black, and the first asian american to serve as vice president. >> while i maybe be the first woman in this office, i will not be the

last. [applause and cheering] >> brennan: we'll hear from the biden campaign co-chairman, cedric richmond. plus, we'll talk with pennsylvania republican senator pat toomey and joe manchin about governing in a biden/harris administration with what looks to be a divided congress. we'll take a look at the potential legal challenges from the trump campaign in key states and get an update on the dangerous new phase of coronavirus with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. plus the legendary bob schieffer weighs in on the burden on a biden administration to unite america moving forward. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> brennan: good morning. welcome to "face the nation." and to a new week. last week american democracy was tested, as we waited more than three

and a half days foto be coted aa presidential projection to be made. saturday morning, former vice president joe biden was projected the winner, defeating an incumbent for only the fourth time in the past 100 years, and although america has decided, president trump has not conceded that he has been defeated. as of this morning, president-elect biden has 279 electoral votes, nine more than the 270 needed to win. four states have not been determined yet, georgia and north carolina are toss-ups, and arizona is leaning democratic, and president trump is likely to win in alaska. despite the relief that the election is over, the coronavirus pandemic around the world has reached dangerous highs in case numbers. yesterday the u.s. recorded over 127,000 new cases, while europe is seeing its own terrifying highs. france, a country with one

fifth the population of the u.s., reported nearly 90,000 cases on saturday. we begin with mark strassmann in atlanta. >> reporter: from sea to shining sea...our americans have a result but not reconciliation. instant reaction coast to coast to the president-elect. [yelling] ♪ hey, hey, good-bye >> reporter: and already the winner is repudiated by roughly half the country, just like his predecessor. >> we haven't raised a white flag by no stretch of the imagination. >> reporter: in pennsylvania, the keystone battleground state, trump supporters claim, with zero proof, 600,000 votes have been stolen. >> some places may be amateurs at voter fraud.

philadelphia is a professional place for voter fraud. >> reporter: in the next few days, expect the trump legal team to file a series of long-shot lawsuits. they filed a new one on saturday in arizona. those suits will allege widespread vote-stealing irregularities, to faulty signatures to tallies from dead people. critics, including some republicans, charge it is all political theater. >> i think the president's cmments that say there is national conspiracy around this aren't supportede supportey any facts. >> reporter: there are suits in pennsylvania, nevada, michigan and georgia. >> we will not give up on this process until every last issue has been resolved. >> reporter: for the trump campaign, that means recounts in razor-thin cases. georgia has called for one, wisconsin is another one, and so is pennsylvania. but that state's law requires a margin of one half of 1% or less, and

the biden lead is joined beyond that and growing. recounts have shifted votes in the past from a handful to a few hundred, but they seldom change outcomes. margaret? >> brennan: the president has been uncharacteuncharacteristically quiet. that is not the case just outside the white house. paula reid reports. >> reporter: just moments after networks projected joe biden as the next president, an im impromptu celebration ear runninrunningirrupted outside te house. he appeared to be on the golf course as news broke of his projected defeat. later he posed with a wedding party while receiving well-wishes from his supporters. in a speech friday,

presidenpresident-elect biden called for unity. >> to all of you who voted for president trump, i understand the disappointment. i've lost a couple of times myself, but now let's give each other a chance. >> reporter: advisors urged the president to make public remarks, but instead he took to twitter, falsely claiming observers were not allowed into the counting rooms. i won the election. in fact, election officials say poll-watchers from both parties were allowed to observe. he is now the third president or nominee to lose the popular vote twice. the president still pointed out that his 71 million votes were the most ever for a sitting president. with the race called for biden, the president's personal attorney, rudy giuliani, dug in, vowing more legal challenges. >> first of all, obviously he is not going to concede

when at least 600,000 ballots are in question. >> reporter: senior white house officials tell cbs news the president will concede when all legal options are exhausted and when the final numbers reflect a biden win. white house chief-of-staff mark meadows is currently recovering from covid, and in his absence a lot of aides are pointing fingers at jared kushner, asking why he didn't have a better strategy ready to contest the election results. even the loyal vice president is coming under scrutiny. while mike pence usually provides his counsel and support behind closed doors, but at this critical moment, many aides are asking, where is mike pence? >> brennan: we go to biden co-chair and louisiana congressman cedric richmond in

philadelphia. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> brennan: there are 73 days until inauguration day. i know you're fresh off a win, but that clock has already started. the president-elect announced last night he plans to form a covid task force. what can you tell us about what they will do and what his first priorities are? >> well, i can tell you, they're going to take the biden covid plan and they're going to turn it into policy and action items so that on day one we're ready to start to implement our plan and our vision for how we deal with covid. and, of course, that involves robust testing, tracing, and dealing with the economic fallout of covid. >> brennan: biden -- the president-elect received nearly 74.5 million votes, but president trump got 70 million voters, a strong turnout. isn't this a sign that this is a force you will

have to reckon with? >> i think vice president biden will be a different kind of president. i think he will be able to bring house members from the republican side, senate republicans together on legislation. he served with many of them. but then again, you have to look at his numbers. he won arizona. he will win georgia. and that will giim some coat tails and some leverage when dealing with the senate. >> brennan: perhaps some, but the president-elect just narrowly held together that so-called blue wall of mid-western states. if you look at the breakdown, in wisconsin, for example, much of his victory was delivered in the large margins in cities, areas like milwaukee. if you look at the more rural areas, only two of the 23 counties that voted for president trump in 2016, and before that president obama, actually flipped. so that divide still exists. why do you think it seems

to be deepening, that divide between rural and urban america? >> well, we control the house. democrats control the house. the question is about the someone. and senators are elected statewide. when you look at us winning in places like georgia, i think that is a wakeup call to many senators that it is a different day. and statesmen, they look at the next generation. politicians, they look at the next election. so the fact that the battlefield will be a lot different for the senate in two years, i think all of that is leverage for us to achieve our agenda. but, again, we want to work with both sides because at the end of the day, it is the american people that we're trying to help. the old saying is that when two elephants fight, only the grass suffers. >> brennan: a lot of cbs polling has consistently shown that the american people blame both parties, particularly when it comes to this failure to deliver immediate financial relief for covid-19. do you think it was a miscalculation for democrats not to

compromise on that before the election? >> well, look, if we separate our covid relief, then people will get left behind and corporations will get taken care of. what the real failure was is that we have a president of the united states that will not pick up the phone and call the speaker of the house. speaker pelosi is willing to meet half way, but at the end of the day, we have to take care of frontline workers and provide money for policemen and firemen. if we do a covid relief package without taking care of the state and local governments, in a hallow package that will hurt our inner cities and states. >> brennan: do you expect that to pass before january? >> i hope so. we're coming into session in the next week or so, and that will be one of our priorities -- >> brennan: the democrats remain in the majority, but you did lose seats as a priority in the house. do you think there needs

to be a change in leadership? >> no, i don't. >> brennan: you continue to support nancy pelosi? >> i do. >> brennan: you colleague said defunding the police was an albatross around our next. necks. do you believe it has ultimately hurt your party? is there a reckoning that needs to happen among democrats? >> well, i certainly think there should be a conversation. our progressive wing of the party is important to our party. but i think what will clyburn was trying to say is no matter how progressive your ideas and values are and what you want to do, if we don't win, if we don't keep the majority of the house, you cannot implement any of those plans. you can't govern if you can't win. so i think our party has to make sure we have a solid playbook of what we

want to do, how we want to help the american people. but when we lose, and if we lose the house of representatives, then we will be in the minority and we won't pass a bill for at least two years. and i think that his point is we to make sure we win first and govern second. so when we govern, we'll govern with our values. but when we can't pass legislation, we shouldn't be out there talking about it. and some titles hurt. defunding the police is a title that hurts democrats. especially when the fact of the matter is nobody is calling for defunding the police. we're calling for reinventing how we police communities in this country, how we do criminal adjustment. i think that basically what the whip is saying, and i agree with, is words have consequences. and in this election those words cost us some democratic numbers. >> brennan: thank you very much, congressmanman, force your time this morning. congratulations. "face the nation." will be back in nne-minute. stay with us.

>> brennan: we want to go to democratic senator joe manchin who joins us from charleston, west virginia. good morning. >> good morning, margaret. how are you? >> brennan: i'm doing well. i wonder if you agree with your democratic colleague, that this is a wakeup call to senators, and that this is a different day. do you agree? and what should the president-elect's first order of business be? >> basically joe biden says he will be a president of all of us, and that's exactly what he has to do, bringing democrats and republicans together. the country is more divided more than any time in history or the civil war, and we don't want to go back to those days. so we have to come together. joe biden got elected in a very, very contested primary. and all of the nuances that were thrown on the democratic party is not who we are. i think jim clyburn said it best.

that was an albatross around us, basically labeling every democratic as a socialist. that's not who we are. it hurt a lot of democrats in rural america. montana, for one, and other places around the country. >> brennan: president trump says he is fighting for the forgotten men and women, which seems to be non-college people. it went ruby red for president trump. why didn't the democratic party's message breakthrough? >> it wasn't a good message. we let them tag us before basically we could remind the people who we are. but we can have a good message. here is the thing: four years ago in rural america, and america in general, voted for donald trump. because democrats were mad, independents were mad, and west virginia felt like they were

returning vietnam veterans. we did everything this country asked and we were left behind. so they voted in record numbers. they went from being mad to being mad in 2020. they were scared of this socialism that was thrown out there by the radical part of the so-called left that was throwing all of this out, that basically scared the beejejeezus out of. of us. we have to take care of a lot of things. we're not for medicare for all. >> brennan: obviously there isn't a lot of agreement at this point in the party. your republican party, mitt romney said, this election shows conservative principles are on the ascen ascendency.

you just said that the green new deal is not something a lot of people want. there is a whole lot of fracking in west virginia and a whole lot of call, but did the president-elect's energy message hurt him? >> what joe biden plan is the biden energy plan. it will be all-inclusive. first and foremost, you must be energy independent. we can't be dependent on any foreign countries for energy sources. so that means we're going to use coal and gas and we're going to use oil, and we're going to be able to use our renewables and be able to develop the fuels of the future. but we're going to do it in the cleanest fashion. i believe i in innovation, not elimination. it did come across wrong

and it was very difficult. but that didn't help at all. but i can tell you joe biden isn't against fracking. we do it every day in west virinia and do it in the safest manner. we don't let it escape into the air. >> brennan: i want to ask you what can actually get through. it seems in early reporting, the biden camp will have to rely on a lot of executive orders, particularly if the republicans hold on to the senate, as it appears poised to do. it will hard for the trump tax cuts, for him to repeal liability protections for gun manufacturers. is the message from this election that democrats need to be moderate? >> oh, i've always been moderate. i would encourage all democrats to be moderate. find the middle, if you can. we're not going to be able to govern from the extremes or the fringes, never have been. but fiscal responsibility wasn't even spoken about

in this election. and republicans, we piled on more debt in four years at a faster rate than any time since world war ii. someone should be concerned about that. i've always said i'm fiscally responsible and socially compassionate. i believe most americans are. we've got to govern from that middle, that moderate middle. joe biden has always been there. he knows how to work across the aisle. he'll reach out first and give it every chance he can. i can assure you there are my republican friends that are concerned about this run-away debt. they want to make sure we're able to do it in a fiscally responsible way. you'll be surprised there bwill be more croafg over. >> brennan: we'll see if that happens. thank you very much, senator mnuchin. we'll be right back with a

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>> brennan: we want to go to pennsylvania, the state that put president-elect joe biden over the top. joining us is republican senator pat toomey. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning, margaret. >> brennan: you're home state put biden over the top. is it time for president of the united states to concede? >> 70 million americans voted for donald trump, and they and the president deserve to have this process play out. i understand yesterday the media projected how this is going to end, and the media projections probably correct. but there is a reason we actually do the count. and, by the way, part of our process is to adjudicate disputes. it can include recounts. in fact, under pennsylvania law there is an automatic recount if the vote count is half a percent. at the moment, joe biden is leading by only

one-sixth of a percent. let's maximize the number of people who have confidence it was done properly. >> brennan: joe biden is ahead by more than 30,000 votes. you understand that the recount wouldn't really just change the math? >> pennsylvania law has an automatic recount. we should follow the law. now, if it comes to a lead that is outside of the automatic recount margin, then pennsylvania gives the losing candidate the opportunity to petition for a recount. the loser has to pay for it. and, you're right, recounts very seldom change the outcomes, i understand that. but there is nothing wrong with following the process and the law. >> brennan: uh-uh. you're not saying it is not being complied with? >> i have not said that, no. we're not finished yet. that's all i'm saying. >> brennan: we have to take a commercial break, but i want to continue this conversation on the other side of it.

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