captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan, and this week on "face the nation," washington is still reeling from wednesday's deadly siege at the capitol, and america is on edge as the clock ticks down on the last days of the trump administration. the scenes of violence and destruction are still horrifying, made even more disturbing by where and when the rioters waged their war last week. >> biden: an unprecedented assault on our democracy, an assault literally on the citadel of liberty. iand the united states capitol itself. >> brennan: five lives, including a capitol police officer, were lost as a result of this national

disgrace. questions about poor preparation for an event advertised by president trump as wild, and the disasterous response from law enforcement continues to grow. a mob of mr. trump's followers were incited by the president himself to try to overturn the election by disrupting the crtification of electoral votes. >> president trump: we're going to the capitol. and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> brennan: another challenge: punishment or at least accountability for actions. across the country, law enforcement is working to round up the extremists. nearly 100 have been charged so far. as for mr. trump, congressional democrats and some republicans say his actions are reprehensible. >> i believe the best way for our country, chuck, is for the president to resign and go away as soon as possible. >> brennan: wev have

missouri republican roy blunt, and d.c. mayor muriel bowser and chris krebs, and then a look at the devastating surge of covid-19 and more on that new strain of the virus. former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb will be with us. and, finally, it won' won't be a major political story without the legendary bob schieffer. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." it's a quiet sunday here in the nation's capitol, but the next 10 days promise to be anything but as we get closer to inauguration day. one reason it is quiet: the president's twitter account has been silenced forever.

president trump remains at the white house, and there is apprehension about what he might do next. he has not spoken to vice-president pence, who is still being given the silent treatment following mr. trump's attacks on him for not sabotaging the electoral vote process. that stinging rebuke of his loyal follower has upset even close allies of the president. we are told the president himself has privately acknowledged that mr. pence got a bad deal, but he has not publicly condemned those who stormed the capitol chanting "hang mike pence." high ranking officials discussed invoking the 25th amendment, where the president would be removed by a vote from his cabinet. that ob stil option still exist. the president refuses to resign, and he plans to travel this week to highlight his work at the border. an article of impeachment will be introduced in the

house tomorrow, and speaker nancy pelosi has asked congress to prepare to return to washington. lesley stahl sat down with the speaker on friday. we begin with a preview from tonight's broadcast. >> reporter: what if he pardons himself? >> what he pardons these people who are terrorists on the capitol? he can only pardon himself from federal offenses. he cannot pardon himself from state offenses, and that's where he is being investigated in the state of new york. >> reporter: there is a possibility that after all of this, there is no punishment, no consequences, and he could run again for president? >> and that's one of the motivations that people have for advocating for impeachment. >> reporter: won't that take more than the 10 days? does it actually make sense? >> i wanted to invoke the 25th amendment because it gets rid of him, but there is strong support in the congress for

impeaching the president a second time. >> brennan: more of lesley stahl's interview will air tonight on 60 minutes. we want to go to roy blunt, he is overseeing the. [inaudible question] gration, an the inauguration. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning, margaret. >> brennan: we have received sad news from capitol police that another officer has died. do you know if there was at connection to the events this week? >> i don't know. both their lives ended this week. i'll be interested in finding out if there was a connection with officer liebengood, but i'm interested in reaching out to both of their families. these are people we saw every day, particularly officer liebengood, who was very much assigned to the senate side of the building. you have that loss, and

four other deaths of people who got involved in something that they absolutely no not have gotten involved in. it was a tragedy, even if it was limited just to that. but then when you see this all over the world, citizens of the united states storming the capitol of the united states, certainly something i thought i would never see. i'm glad we got back into the capitol and got our work done that day, to send that signal, but the signal around the world couldn't have been more helpful to our adversaries than it was. it was a sad and terrible day in the history of the country. >> brennan: i think we agree with you on that, sir. i appreciate your kind words about these particular officers. i have to ask you, though, about some of the images that have been projected around the world as well, which are of some of those officers appearing to remove barriers for rioters, to allow them in there. there are reports that some actually gave information on where to

find certain congressional offices. is there any indication of involvement from members of the capitol police? >> no. no. and i resent any sense that the capitol police didn't push back, fight back, valiantly get out there and stand between first the building and then the people in the building that they are there to protect. senator klobuchar and i have announced we're going to look into this, both the planning and whether the support was imminent. the support from the d.c. police was quick and incredibly helpful. i know the mayor is coming on later today. they were here almost immediately, when asked to be. i believe we have to think about why the national guard didn't get here quicker. but the capitol police fought back. you can do anything with looking at them not knowing what you're talking aboutment i do about. i do know when year overwhelmed in law enforcement, one of the things you try to do is

step back and regroup, rather than let yourself get surrounded. senator coons is on later. he and i formed the law enforcement caucus when we came to the senate 10 years ago. we see these officers often. we reach out more than most members do to them. they put their lives on the line every day. >> brennan: yes. >> particularl last wednesday, and i deeply resent any suggestion that these officers didn't do everything they could do. >> brennan: two republican senators have now called for the president to resign. should he? >> well, it would be up to him. my view would be what the president should do is now finish the last 10 days of his presidency -- >> brennan: so no? >> no. >> brennan: your fellow republicans have been quite critical, including liz cheney, and mitt romney, who called this an insurrection and said that the president was directly involved. the justice department affidavits have individuals saying they came here because the president told them to. is the president a danger

to the country? >> i think the president's decisions and actions that day and leading up to that day on this topic were clearly reckless. i said that very early in the evening on wednesday, that this was a tragedy day for the country. and the president had involvement in that. >> brennan: are republican leaders going to hold him accountable in any way for it? >> i think the country i is the right way to hold presidents accountable. the president should be very careful over the next 10 days is that his behavior is what you would expect from the leader of the greatest country in the world. my personal view is that the president touched the hot stove on wednesday and is unlikely to touch it again. and if that's the case, we get -- every day we get closer to the last day of his presidency. we should be thinking more about the first day of the next presidency than the last day of his presidency, in my view. i'll be there on that day

as the chairman of that event, seeing the new president sworn in. president trump says he is not coming, and i hope vice-president pence does. i was proud to see the vice president step up as i was standing there right with him as one of the four members of congress that count the electoral ballots and do what the law requires us to do. >> brennan: josh hawley was on the other side of that. do you think he was complicit, along with the five other senators who continue to promulgate this lie, that there could be a change to the outcome of the election on wednesday? >> well, i only have one vote in the senate, which is my vote. i did, the day senator hawley announced he would be contesting those electoral votes, announced tht i would not be. when senator cruz said he had a plan to put back in place a commission like the one formed in 1877, i said that wouldn't happen.

i wasn't interested then or now in spending a lot of time on things that can't happen. just like the impeachment of the president to remove him from office clearly is not going to happen between now and the last day he is in office. >> brennan: so you don't believe he has committed an impeachableable offense? >> that's not really the question. >> brennan: that's my question. >> well, i'm giving you my answer. is there any likelihood he could possibly be removed between now and january the 20th, and if there is no additional ensuing event, my belief is there is no possibility of that. and as nancy pelosi just said and jim clyburn said earlier today, this is more about a long-term punishment of the president than trying to remove him from office. that's when the politics take over the protecting the government is left behind. >> brennan: all right. we'll see if you have a different answer in the new congress, sir. thank you for your time

this morning. we turn now to the mayor of washington, d.c., muriel bowser. thank you for joining us this morning. i know you have put this city under public emergency until the day after inauguration. there are about 6,000 national guard troops that will be here. some of them will be armed. do you think the city is prepared now for what is about to come? >> mayor: well, i will tell you that given the is events of last week that this inauguration preparation has to be different from any other inauguration, with only 10 days to go. today i'm requesting from the department, the u.s. department of homeland security, that they take additional steps, including expanding the list of times that this national special security event is in place, which is we're asking it to be extended from january 19th back to january the 11th.

further, i am asking that they extend the perimeter of their coverage area for this national security special event, which is the inauguration, to include the capitol. later today i'm going to send a letter to the president of the united states, asking that he declare a pre-emergency declaration for the district of columbia that will allow for further federal coordination. >> brennan: there were pipe bombs that were discovered in washington at the democratic national committee and at the republican national committee. who planted them, and what do you know? >> mayor: i know the f.b.i. is investigating that, and we should take it very seriously. i think what we have seen is real domestic terrorism in our nation's capitol, and that's what we need to call it. who we saw charging the capitol building were trained people, in many cases, former military,

former law enforcement. i think we may find other trained people, trained at marching and surging and seizing buildings, so we have to take it seriously. we do have to take seriously how we're spreading our resources. that's why we're very focused on making sure that the federal government is providing enough coverage for federal facilities, including the capitol, but many federal buildings across the district, so that other law enforcement, our law enforcement, can focus on other threats across the district eight ward. >> brennan: okay. madam mayor, there is a lot of finger pointing about exactly how this happened on wednesday. back on january 5th, you sent a letter to the pentagon and the justice department saying that the district is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel, and discourages any additional deployments without immediate consultation with the police if such

plans are under way. do you think this letter played a role in the underreaction? >> mayor: no. what i know is that the district, prior to that, had already requested federal support and had been granted it in the form of the d.c. national guard. and the d.c. national guard had been deployed and received its assignment. that letter calls attention to the federal government for other federal policing agencies and asked the federal government to coordinate with us if they were going to be on d.c. streets. that letter had nothing to do with the capitol or other federal facilities. >> brennan: did your police officers here expect the f.b.i. and homeland security to warn them about this event? i mean, was there more federal warning that you expected to get that you did not? >> mayor: i think that we always work hand-in-hand on these

events, as we will on the inauguration, on gathering intelligence. certainly we gather intelligence locally, but the f.b.i. and the department of homeland security has vast resources and the ability to keep us posted each and every day. i have asked, and the department of homeland security will further discuss with the f.b.i. how they can enhance though intelligence-sharing activities with us directly. >> brennan: before this event happened on wednesday, the leader of the proud boys was arrested almost immediately after he arrived here in washington, and he had high-capacity magazines on him. he landed with weaponry. was there no indication that there was something more than just a political rally being planned? >> mayor: well, certainly we were on the lookout for weapons, and we saw him with this magazine that could carry

bullets, but we're always on the lookout for weapons. in fact, the demonstrations zone that we established prior to this event, we made clear to anyone in the public that they cannot carry weapons in those zones. >> brennan: all right. madam mayor, good luck. thank you for your time. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us. obligated to put clients first. so, what do you provide? cookie cutter portfolios? nope. we tailor portfolios to our client's needs. but you do sell investments that earn you high commissions, right? we don't have those. so, what's in it for you? our fees are structured so we do better when you do better. at fisher investments we're clearly different. laso you can enjoy it even ifst you're sensitive. se. our fees are structured so we do better when you do better. yet some say it isn't real milk. i guess those cows must actually be big dogs.

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leaders of our nation will be inaugurated. >> brennan: you're close to the president-elect who tweeted "our president is not above the law. justice serves the people, it doesn't protect the powerful." what does that mean? does he support potentially prosecuting president trump? >> margaret, president-elect iden is focused on the enormous challenges that will face him when he becomes president 10 days from now. it is up to congress, in the next 10 days, to work to ensure the safety and security of our country, to press secretaryfully, hopefully, for president trump to resign, or for vice-president pence to enact what he can do under the 25th amendment. president trump, by his actions over the last two months, has lost the right to be president. by the actions this past wednesday, and his failure to take any responsibility or show any remorse for it, of significance, i think he doesn't deserve to be president anymore.

>> brennan: he won't be in 10 days, regardless of what happens. should he be prosecuted? do you think that would be appropriate? >> i think there needs to be accountability for his actions. whether that comes from the new york attorney general or the new york department of the justice we'll have to leave for now. i tell you there can only be reconciliation with repentance. i think the single most important thing that republicans in congress who helped facilitate this wide-spread conspiracy theory that somehow the election was stolen, and the most important thing that president trump can do, in these remaining 10 days is to stop those lies and to persuade their followers and supporters that president-elect biden is the duly elected president of the united states. that's what mike pence certified on wednesday night, once we returned to the capitol. that's an important next

step, if we are, in fact, going to have any healing. >> brennan: you heard senator blunt, who is republican leadership, declined to say if there should be any sanctions for the senators who stood on the floor, even after the seerch siege, and continued to protest the certification of the election. should there be consequences for them? >> i called for them to resign. what i will be looking for is whether they take any actions that will actually persuade some of their many supporters and constituents that they know what they did was wrong. in the case of missouri, senator blunt's home state and josh hawley's home state, two of the newspapers have all denounced him. the papers have called for him to resign. i think that's the sort of public indication that he has done something profoundly wrong here that

should be followed by action from those in congress who helped instigate this tragic event on wednesday. >> brennan: would you vote to evict the president if the house does impeach him? >> yes. >> brennan: and what would that, sir -- because you know the argument against it that it would be further die vive from thdivisive to thecountry, and id derail president-elect biden's agenda? >> i understand just as biden takes over, that we might be distracted for weeks by a senate trial. that's why i've called for president trump to do the right thing timely and resign. or for vice-president pence to secure the next 10 days through the 25th amendment. we have two pandemic raging through this country right now. one is the covid-19 pandemic, and the other is the pandemic of division and distrust. the way to deal with them

is by telling people the truth, that vaccines work, and that we need good role models in terms of masking and social distancing, and this was a free and fair election where joe biden was elected. we need folks who are willing to stand up and tell the truth in congress. >> brennan: the president trump has called these attackers domestic terrorists. that is not a federal crime. should this be a federal crime? >> yes. and i'm encouraged that already 100 individuals have been arrested and charged wi with both state and federal offenses. we narrowly avoided what could have been even a more tragic night. when i saw people in the senate chamber with zip ties and chanting "hang mike pence," and that is truly chilling. this was an attempted coup, the most significant in the history of our republic because the purpose of these rioters was to interrupt the

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>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." for more contacts on some of the online discourse that fueled the assault on the capitol, we want to go to the former director of thsisa, chris krebs. the homeland security never issued a threat settlement to local law enforcement in d.c. about what happened ahead of time. given there were explicit online conversations about storming the capitol, how was it possible that this was not a known threat? >> so, you know, i'm sure that the ensuing

investigation will get to the become of what happened. i think to a certain extent, we may have had some negative learning from the summer's protests and riots. and maybe there was an overreaction in the wrong way as it led to some of the breakdowns here. again, there is an investigation. but, to be clear, we -- at least when i was there, we certainly anticipated physical violence as the ultimate manifestation of the president and the compaigns and his supporters, who claim that the election was rigged or stolen. those claims continue. the latest dog whistle is election irregularities. so those that are promoting this narrative, these conspiracy, have to stop. they have to denounce these claims. >> brennan: homeland security warned, back in october, that right-wing groups may use political rallies, and they actually

posed a direct threat in terms of action. but then, during the black lives matter protests this summer, homeland security secretary was on this program and others touting the fact that the federal government could put resources in cities whether the mayors or governors wanted them to or not. that they had the power to do more. so why not do more, if within the agency there were the threats that you just highlighted? whose fault is that? >> again, the investigations will get down to it. and particularly in the district of columbia, the federal authorities on federal land, like the national mall, like the capitol grounds, have even greater authorities they would than in any american city. so there was some coordination and pre-planning ilwhat i woul.what i would be thinking

about is what is going to happen on the 20th. but there is an opportunity here, i think, to prevent further bloodshed. i don't know if the president is capable of doing it, but he has to resign. he has to tell his supporters that he lied to them, that this was all his own fraud. he has to come out. we have to set an example for the rest of the free world, that attempted coups, which is what this was, will not be tolerated. and there has to be an accountability. whether it is the 25th amendment push, or an impeachment, the president needs to be held accountable for supporting and inciting the activity of this past week. >> brennan: our reporting shows that he has no intention to do that, to resign. we know, though, that he does plan, and our cbs news team is reporting, he does plan to speak tomorrow. but we're told it is going

to be to blast big tech for decisions of what twitter just did to ban him. apples,mazon, and google have blocked the parler app. what is the impact of that? >> well, look, i think at this point, particularly after wednesday, the president's legacy is a heap of ashes. there is nothing redeemable at this point, given the fact that he incited attempt to overturn democracy in a free election. there is an opportunity, though, for a redemption story. again, he can resign. he can tell his supporters that it was all a big con, and that he is sorry. i don't know if he is capable of doing it, but that's the best way to prevent further violence, to prevent further erosion of confidence in

democracy. every single republican on the hill who continues to support these election irregularities has to do the same thing. they have to denounce it, and they have to come back to the middle. >> brennan: and yet on the issue of cyber and social media, which you spent a lot of time thinking about, a lot of conservatives are speaking out not against the president and his use of it, but against the idea that twitter is censoring somehow cof conservative thoughts. secretary of state, mike pompeo, is out there tweeting this is unamerican and a tactic of the left. >> the first amendment disapply to private sector organizations. tat's government impeding speech. and that's not what is happening here. these are companies that have their own ability to enforce their standards and their policies. they think there was a legitimate public policy interest over the last four plus years of

maintaining the president and his voice on twitter and other platforms. but clearly what he has done has exceeded any reasonable public policy entries. the hard part is implementing these standards globally consistently. other foreign leaders need to be consistent and take similar action. >> brennan: understood. chris krebs, thank you for your time. we asked senior national correspondent mark strassmann to take a look at events around the country. here is his report. >> reporter: vengeance is ours, sayeth the mob. >> i'm really glad. it needed to happen. >> reporter: days after mega mania rampaged through an american

sanctuary. was the moment heroic or horrific. partisans got in each oher's faces. but for some trump loyalists, it's an inflectionpoint. >> you can be disappointed, whatever, but you can't go in and ransack public places like that. >> count me out. >> reporter: trump die-hards turned on lindsey graham after that. >> welcome to a new america, lindsey graham. >> reporter: this video shows the first family wednesday morning, right before the president's inflammatory speech. > a couple hours later, the mob trampled the constitution, and rosanne boyland -- >> the president's words incited a riot that killed four of his biggest fans. >> reporter: and protestors stormed the washington state governor's mansion, and

more protests in arizona, florida, minnesota, and the kansas state house. [yelling] >> reporter: talk of more vials scuttles across social media. our american ideal is still at risk. democracy or au auklocracy. >> brennan: and we're joined by john dickerson. thank you for coming in. >> good morning, margaret. >> brennan: it was two weeks ago that gallup poll said that donald trump is the most popular man in america. and now we're talking about calls for his resignation. does all of this end when he leaves office? >> they said it is no longer the republican party, it is the trump party. what happens to the political market he created that future

republican politicians are going to try to appeal to. after the election, the president said the election was stolen. the republicans knew that was a lie. but what donald trump said was true was true, and those lawmakers worried about blowback. so instead of a healthy political market, this is a market where facts are whatever you want it to be. persuasion didn't matter. that fills up a rally crowd. politically, it cost the republicans the presidency and the house and the senate. the founders told us this is a terrible way to work where you have the standard for the presidency to be what the rally crowd likes. the standard should be the one mitt romney said, which was sometimes you honor the public by telling them the truth. does somebody stand up now against lies? or does the market that donald trump created exist, and if that's the case, then this insurrection was just an

inconvenience, and that market exists, and donald trump will have a big role in that. >> brennan: there is still fear of that market? >> absolutely. perhaps even more, given what happened on the 6th of january. >> brennan: because republicans have seen the muscles that can be flexed. >> exactly. >> brennan: when it comes to some of the extraordinary things we heard and we saw this week, the president has, yes, told people to go home. but then he said, we love you. your patriots. he has not come out and said anything about the chance calling for his vice president to be executed, john? >> you're exactly right. there are a lot of ways in which the president contributed to what happened on the 6th. but the example of what he was willing to trample in order to get his way is clearest in the grotesque treatment of his vice president. no one has been more loyal than mike pence. how was he repaid?

the president said he could stop the count in congress. he knew that to be a lie. when mike pence didn't do that because he couldn't, the president said he lacked courage. and as sure as night follows day, those rioters said hang mike pence. what gave them that thought? well, the president of the united states. >> brennan: and he tweeted blasting mike pence while the siege was happening, and yet we haven't heard a separation from the president. how do you put the jeannie bacgenieback in the bottle? >> i don't think you do. because people are still fearful. we still have some number of days to go in which a lot of this free-floating anger is still out there. and the president is still saying that the election was stolen, and that gives energy to that free-floating anger.

>> brennan: well, he doesn't have a media outlet to promulgate that. we know he is planning a speech tomorrow, and again on tuesday, to make some public remarks. it is hard to find any kind of silver lining at the end of this week. but there are those who -- i certainly noticed how diplomats that i follow ur tryinare trying to explain this to the rest of the world. have you found any hope here? >> well, when the u.s. capitol is a crime scene, it is pretty hard to find hope. but hope is the power to be optimistic when times look desperate. there was a test of democracy before january 6th, and it was to hold an election in the middle of the pandemic. and republicans and democrats turned out in record numbers. people stood in line and there was no violence.

and the states changed all of their procedures to accommodate this. and they did recounts and they were challenged. and they did what they were supposed to do. they didn't do the easy or political thing. pressure, pressure, pressure, and they kept the faith. and then who else kept the faith? all of the local officials in those states and then the courts. they did what their job told them to do, and the department of justice didn't go after the president's opponents. the military kept their faith, not doing what the president would like them to do. and then congress, after the grotesque experience on the 6th, nevertheless held the vote. what we need is a leader who can grab that hope. the stage is ready for somebody else to step up. >> brennan: john dickerson, thank you for your thoughts. good to have you here. we'll be right back.

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in these final days of the trump administration, vaccine distribution remains problematic. the c.d.c. reports near the seven million first doses of the vaccine have been received, and that is only 30 particular 30% of the tl distributed across the country. thursday was the deadliest day yet. almost 4200 people died from covid-19. there have now been over 22 million cases, and more than 373,000 are dead. we want to go now to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb, who sits on the board of pfizer and alumina, a company that is working on sequencing some of the new virus variants. he joins us from westport, connecticut. good morning to you. >> doctor: good morning. >> brennan: there are more people in this country hospitalized with covid than during the spring and summer combined. how much of these new strains from the u.k. and

south africa contributing to this surge? >> doctor: probably not a lot right now. we don't know for sure paw we not doing sequencing like the u.k. we're looking for the u.k. variant, but the method we're using to try to deduct the u.k. variant wouldn't necessarily spot the south africa varns. variance. it is about .32. with the south africa variant, we don't think it is prevalent, but we could be missing some of the infections. we think this is a post-holiday bounce. but the bottom line is we need a better system tor detecting these things to have an advocate response. >> brennan: and how resistant are they to current treatments? >> doctor: they appear more fit, meaning they spread more easily. we've done some initial analysis with the u.k.

variant, and the medical product that we have right now do appear to be affective against that u.k. variant. there is more concern around the south african variant because that variant has escaped the mutation in way that could defeat at least the antibodies and perhaps make the vaccines less affective. we're going to have data on the vaccine later this week, and so we'll have a better answer on that question. it goes to show you that these viruses are going to evolve. this virus has been racing around the world largely unchecked. with the widespread use of coconvalescent plasma. we're going to have to up our vaccines and therapeutics regularly to keep up with the variants as they emerge. >> brennan: the white

house task force said there may be a new variant of this virus, and the c.d.c. said yesterday they are still trying to figure it out and it could take weeks or months to identify. is there something that is making this surge worse right now, other than our own bad behavior? >> doctor: yeah -- i don't think so. and the people i've spoken to don't think so. there is a variant in the u.s. that has become the predominant variant. that is unavoidable, that you'll see variants. we don't think that the south african variant and the u.k. variant are very prevalent here right now. but the game has changed on the vaccine. to go back to the discussion you were having at the top of this hit: we need to get this vaccine out quickly. this is our only backup to the spread of these new variants. we might get enough affective immunity into

the public. we need to acknowledge it is not working and hit the reset and try to get it out. >> brennan: there is only 10 days left of the trump administration, but they started to acknowledge that the federal plan had some problems because they told states to broaden out who they make the vaccine available to. the president-elect says he is going to do what you've been talking about, which is to release all available supply as soon as he takes office. but does releasing the supply really solve the problem if it is really about uptake? >> doctor: it is a distribution issue now, and it will be supply issue in a few weeks. the feds say it is with the states, and the states say it is with the fed. you have 40 millions on the shelves. we have 50 million americans above the age of 55. we have supply to push it out to that population to push it out. we need to use the big box stores, and the federal

sites that the administration is talking about. we need to try everything to create multiple distribution points. a lot of senior citizens are not going to want to go to a stadium to get an inoculation. they want to go to a local pharmpharmacy or a doctor's office. but we do need to get them out more aggressively. it will become a supply issue once we get the logistics down right. and we don't have that right now. we aren't doing a good job getting it to patients. >> brennan: was the siege of the capitol this week potentially a super spreader event? >> doctor: of course. there will be trains of transmission that comes out of that kind of crowd gathering. and i think they deliberately es eshuded those things.

>> brennan: thank you for watching it, dr dr. gottlieb. we'll be back in a moment.

>> brennan: during this administration, there has been no shortage and

painful events. but even the most seasoned washington journalists were shocked by the attack on the capitol incited by our own president. as we worked on putting this broadcast together, we knew there was one voice we had to hear from: bob schieffer. and he joins us now to reflect on a volatile four years. >> margaret, america has never experienced anything like the trump presidency. it is ending as it began: in chaos, controversy, and confusion. he told us america was broken, and only he could fix it. his reign lurched from one crisis to another, from tabloid scandals to lies. he introduced us to a bizarre cast of characters, from porn stars to the crack pots and clowns into inhabit

the dark fringes of american politics. some, like rudy giuliani seems to melt before our eyes. most he touched were diminished by the experience. others, who sought power by riding the back of the tiger, wound up inside. he played down the pandemic and found kind words for vladimir putin and kim jong-un, but seemed determined to drive a wedge between america and our traditional allies. yes, the stock market went up, but the nation's deficit and national debt ballooned to record levels. as we saw in those awful scenes unfolding in the capitol, we came to understand that the man who had a manic desire for power had no real understanding of the power he possessed, or what happens when it is misused. he will be gone soon, but

he showed us america was not broken; he was. >> brennan: bob, thank you for sharing your thoughts. it is so good to have you here. >> thank you, margaret. >> brennan: we'll be right back. to defend against dark forces attacking your organization,

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