language to simple colloquial terms. like a priest explaining something from the bible or something, i'm breaking it down for you so we can all have a common language and a common understanding. that informality will be one of the things that president biden will attempt to bring to the presidency, which may or may not be boring but will be a contrast. >> and didn't you point out in this peace that, you know -- maybe i w. bush wanted to be a somewhat dull president, meaning he would be an a4 president, the fourth page of the a section, but because of the events of 9/11 have become a front-page presidency, as all presidents have become. >> be competent so when the surprise hits, you know what's going on, like a pandemic. you convey information to

persuade someone, you try to build a case based on facts to persuade them. one of the politics now is a blast of assertions, what i saw is true and you must take it on faith and if you don't i will drown you in assertions. it creates brittle opposition. >> we have see the clintons waving goodbye. we'll see them shortly at allergy at this national cemetery. one last point that i think is so relevant into your article because john reaches back into james madison and federalist 49, where madison writes the passions ought to be controlled and regulated by the government. this last presidency, the trump presidency wasn't about rollg thpassions, it yes, yes. and this is where the skills of campaigning have slopped over into the skills of governing. in campaigning, you inflame the passions, everybody at the railials and to the polling place. some presidents turned it off

because they have an obligation to govern and cool the passions and act in the whole country's interest. when the inflaming of politics gets into the business of government, you have a situation where you can get your base to believe you, but what if the policies you're trying to convince people of like wearing a mask or other things have to speak to the whole country? if you've cut the country in half with inflaming language you can't speak to the people who need to hear you. >> in a "a few good men," when you said you have to give people information, they can handle the truth, just give us the information. we're all big girls and boys, we can process it, we just want to know the truth. so i go back to what joel payne said earlier when we went on the air at 9:00, he said joe biden is like a three-legged stool, decency, unity and competence, and if we can add boring to that to be called, by the way -- but

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>> o'donnell: and welcome back to our cbs news coverage of the presidential inauguration, and you're looking at, now, what is the beginning of what is going to be the military pass and review. the president and vice president will review the military troops on the east front of the capitol before heading to arlington cemetery with two former vice presidents, former president barack obama as well as former president bill clinton, and, actually, george w. bush will be there as well, all of them in a united front to pay tribute to our men and women who serve and our veterans. i want to return now to our -- panelists here. we're turning to this idea that

president biden has laid out which is not only a very ambitious and progressive agenda that he wants before congress, including one of the first acts, is he's going to ask congress for almost another 2 trillion-dollar so that americans can get another $1,400 check, if they qualify, more money for testing, more money for small businesses, more money for schools. the list goes on. how likely is it that republicans and even mitch mcconnell would go along with that? >> it's like we talked about a little bit earlier in this broadcast, there is -- and i don't want to get into the procedural weeds -- but it's super super important if you care about whether or not this is going to happen or not, the first initiative will be realized or not, in the senate, and the house but particularly the senate if you use budget reconciliation which is putting your fiscal initiatives, tax increases and other spending in one place under certain rules, you can pass it with a simple majority in the senate, you do not need 60 votes. and if that is the approach the

biden white house wants to take, it will happen. will that perhaps antagonize republicans who want a chance to be bipartisan out of the chute? possibly. so a great question for this white house is how long do you wait for that? how long do you wait for republicans to come to the table and say i vote for this this and this to get you over the 60 votes, because if they don't you have to go through 50 and put it through your votes alone. >> considering we're in the middle of a pandemic, it's an equal opportunity killer. >> correct. democrats and republicans, why would anyone be opposed to the proposals that have been laid out that are going to help americans? help people understand. >> it costs. know it costs a lot, but we're in trouble, we're in trouble. these are extenuating circumstances. >> congressional republicans said all throughout the summer and deep into the fall, we don't need to do anything else, we don't need to spend any money, then they spent about $900 billion right at the end of

this last congress, so they might reasonably ask do we need illietr they thatque orot it is going or coocedure cot nateiter pen how to proceed. but how long do you wait for republicans to raise their hand and say yes i'm be in the bipartisan vote to get you over the 630 vote threshold because the longer they wait, you will have to say, no, i'm going to jam it through with 51 votes. >> republicans will say we're bankrupting our children's future. those are different ideological differences between the parties about priorities. once we get past, and if there's another trillion or $2 trillion spent, the democratic party will say it's time to pay for it, and that mean tax cuts, which the republicans are anticipating -- >> increases. -- which the two have

promised. >> people like tax cuts. which the two are have promised. >> you heard president trump say this morning as he was leaving town, they may raise your taxes, remember i warned you about that. >> joe biden creature of the senate will have to decide if there's gettable republicans, do i maybe make a trade with them, maybe not press impeachment or make them admit their role perhaps in insurrection in exchange for some votes because he would rather do it with 60 or more because it would show building a bridge. >> biparent, yes. ut if he has to make the deal, there will be parente of liberals and democrats say you're selling us out. it will be fascinating to see because joe biden has done this his whole career, what and how he uses inducements to get republicans. >> john, they want the money, they need to money. what are the people telling you? >> because people aren't all republican constituents. >> i know. we talk ability his skill as

a bipartisan dealmaker ander? , only 31 of the 100 senators has he ever served with and only 13 are republican. most of those 13 run committees or are the top republican on the committee, so he can reach out and reasonably perhaps negotiate. but 31 of the 100 senators were there till he was vice president. >> i want to talk about the role of the first lady, because dr. jill biden plans to continue teaching english and writing at northern virginia community college while she is in the white house and that makes her the first first lady to continue her professional career while her husband is in office, and that is remarkable in its own right. so to talk ability dr. biden's historic dual roles is anita mcbride, executive reince for congressional and presidential sturdz at american university and served as mrs. bush's chief of staff. anita, so good to have you. you know how busy the role of

the first lady is. how is dr. biden going to have two jobs? >> thank you, norah, great to be with all of you today. one of the thing we say about the first lady's role is that, middle east, when the president is sworn in, the first lady or the president's spouse in the future will be a male spouse, automatically has a powerful platform, and the decision for them is how they choose to use it, and already we're seeing, of course, new precedent is set, new ground is being broken with a first lady who says, i already have a full-time job, i'm going to do that and this, too. so it will be interesting to, you know, see how she will manage and balance that, like all of us know it's hard to have a work life balance and this is now a work-work balance, because the first lady's role can be a full-time consuming job as well. it's a great challenge, but it's also a tremendous opportunity. >> realistically, though, anita, do you think scheck really do

this? >> it's a great question. yeah. and i think, already, you know, she already has announced almost all of the position -- her staff staffs to positions fe office to have the first lady, and some pretty high-powered positions. her new chief of staff, whom i've had an opportunity to talk with a couple of times, served as a former ambassador of the united states to uruguay and the western hemisphere division at the state department. >> who is her new chief of staff? >> julissa reynoso, who is actually from new york and moving down here but served in the obama-biden administration, but she also ok on a second role yesterday herself in the announcement that dr. biden made that julissa will be the co-chair of the new gender equality council at the white house. so that signals to me and along with others on that staff, it

will be a very busy working office with a full complement of a staff, starting on day one. the joining forces initiative is being restarted. dr. biden is bringing that back. of course, you know something that she worked on with first lady michelle obama and bringing back that same director who served before to the white house. so i think she's putting in place some pretty strong people to be overseeing the initiatives she cares about. education will be at the top of the list, too, and that will cross cut almost everything that she does. but at the end of the day, too, one of the most important responsibilities of the speaker of of -- of thespouse of the pre their fierce protector and sanctuary in the white house because all the responsibility that falls on the president's shoulders now, tas you all know -- as you all know, is huge. so, realistically, going back to your question, will she be able to do it, she certainly wants to

and i think she believes that she can and she's put a pretty strong staff around her to do as much as she can. so we'll see. >> o'donnell: you just made me think of, anita, how much not only your first lady of the united states but you're also a wife and a mother and a grandmother. >> that's right. >> o'donnell: and there's a lot of protecting to do of people when you are in the limelight, when occupying the white house. what you have seen in your experience given that you've served in multiple administrations? >> right, and i saw this, you know, with mrs. reagan and barbara bush and laura bush, you know, providing that sort of family life in the white house where your family comes to visit and have dinner with you or maybe stay overnight or your friends are invited, you know, making things normal for you as much as possible, that's an important function, that sanctuary of your home, you know, because you're living

above the store, the job never really leaves you, and finding times, you know, of levity and of fun. that is really important, and there's no one person who cares about that more for the president than the president's spouse. so that is something, of course, she's going to keep an eye on. and i think we already know that about her. she is, as i said, a fierce protector of his. >> she is. we saw it when president biden was leaving delaware and he said jill told me not to cry. >> it's hard not to cry. and the two times i've seen them last year even in the pandemic, she would pull him away from people who didn't have a mask on, she would pull him away and say, you know, stop the interviews -- >> or if she didn't like the answer, she would try to steer it to another way. >> yes. but, anita, i'm curious, what do the american people want from their first lady? i ask this because, when melania

trump was in the oval office, we could count how many times we saw her without her husband. we as an american people love the family unit whatever form that comes in. what do you think americans expect or want from a first lady? >> that is a great question, too, because i think, over time, we've seen and wanted and expected different things, and as we grow as a nation, as we changes a nation and as each occupant of the role pushes it a little bit further, you know, we adapt to that. but sometimes we don't like it. i mean, look, when mrs. clinton came in in 1993, it was a generational shift, of course, following barbara bush. you know, she pushed the envelope a little bit too much for what the country could handle at that time. >> at that time, yeah. but we settled into this norm

where we expect them to do something with this role, and i think we were disappointed that maybe mrs. trump didn't do quite as much as she could, but my theory on that is, too, this was an overwhelming transition for someone like her who had never been in politics, was a recent american citizen, really, less than a decade, and did what she could do but would probably never get the benefit of the doubt because to have the controversy surrounding president trump. >> o'donnell: anita mcbride, so good to have you. >> thank you, norah. have a great day. >> o'donnell: good to see you. and the peaceful transition of power has happened here in the nation's capitol, and joe biden is now the 46th president of the united states. already, many of his staffers are there inside the west wing at work, preparing what are going to be 17 executive actions

including 15 executive orders that will be signed by the president tonight. president biden remains at the capitol. we'll sem ly ia signing ceremony to do some memorandums and other work there, and, so, we'll see him, and then he will go to arlington cemetery with the former presidents of the united states, biden, clinton and obama, to recognize the men and women who serve in our armed services and have paid the ultimate sacrifice. john? >> norah, getting to the point you were making act hitting the ground running, the binder team, as bumpy as this transition has been, has done as much on their side to be as prepared as possible. the biden transition team hired 206 white house officials, double the amount of the obama team, according to the center for presidential transitions, and nominated more than obama did, which was the previous record. so they have at least, while the trump white house was not as generous as the obama and bush white houses were to the

incoming presidents, the biden team, nevertheless, is in a position to it this the ground one-running and, of course, another big difference is a lot of those people are walking but the old offices they had in the previous administration or the administration before. there's a lot of muscle memory in the people he's hired. >> o'donnell: and there's a parallel with the reagan and bush administrationings, but many of the people that will be working in the biden white house and biden administration are former obama officials. >> right. >> o'donnell: they were deputy secretaries or assistant secretaries or -- and now they are returning to public service. >> or dennis mcdonough, former chief of staff -- >> o'donnell: we went from a man who was an outsider, the ultimate outsider to now we have the ultimate insider. >> and a man president trump, as he admits it, didn't want to operate in the normal grooves of government, he was coming to break those up. he tid not believe necessarily in the fact that you get a bunch

of smart people in the room and use the tools of government to try to fix the problem. joe biden has grown up in that. fran townsend tells about being in the early days of the bush administration and explaining how the bureaucracy works, she said it's like a box you drop a penny in and it bounces and comes out of a slot and you're not sure which one. joe biden knows where the penny is likely to come out and if he doesn't he has people working for him. >> o'donnell: and many of the biden officials had served in an obama administration and many are foreign policy officials who worked in the obama or white house national security apparatus. let's bring in margaret brennan who covers the state department for us and is the moderator of "face the nation." where do you see the big changes in terms of national security and foreign policy? >> well, norah, you put your finger on one of the things that even fellow democrats criticize the incoming administration for which is they need to see the

world as it is, not how it was four years ago. and you heard the president in his inaugural address actually indicate that, saying that we will address america as it is now, and the world's changed a lot in the past four years. as you pointed out, even showing in the graphic, these are really familiar faces. 17 of the president's top advisors came from the obama administration, and we're not even talking about those who are working behind the scenes. sop there is some concern that, as tony blinken, the nominee to be secretary of state has said, you know, america is back and ready to lead again, the world doesn't organize itself, there's the broader question of does the world really want to be organized by america right now and do americans really want to take on that role. it's something joe biden has talked about as a candidate as being a return. but the question is does america really want to do that when we see in poll after poll that america is deeply troubled with the conversations it's having

with itself about the direction the country wants to take. you know, i'm struck by the similarities in some of the foreign policy sort of allergy to having foreign deployments and the fact we have more troops in washington, d.c. now than in syria, iraq or afghanistan, underscores where we are. >> o'donnell: what we're watching now is a tradition that began with president ronald reagan in 1981. this is the signing ceremony in the president room just off the senate chamber. this is one of the first official actions taken by the newly-sworn-in president of the united states. he's signing some nominations and memorandums and proclamations there, and surrounded by the congressional leadership. >> o'donnell: did he forget to hold it up so we could see it? >> maybe that's something else that will pass away, just sign it and -- >> yeah, pass it on. a little bit of modesty and a

little less extravagance of it. to john's point a while ago, what president nominee he said i alone can fix it and his administration in the white house lived that credo he and he alone and this idea of team building was never a big part of the trusks. yes, there were some people who lasted all four years, but very few in number, and many were wrung out of that administration by the president himself because he got tired of looking at the same people. one thing he is an attention span that doesn't lead itsself to durable governance. he just gets tired of things, he did get tired of things and he ran people out of his administration. this idea of team building was never something he brought into the white house or that particularly served him. i alone can do it was his method going in and throughout and on his final day, it was his method, i alone -- >> cut to joe biden today who says i will give my soul to help unify this country, but i need

your help. i can't do this alone, we all need each other to get through this together. >> very different conversation about the cabinet. we've seen a lot of former obama administration officials, average expiration date or time spent as cabinet second two to three years. look at some of the deputies they would like to put in place, dela who will be the deputy treasury secretary, immigrant from nigeria, behind janet yellen, the first woman who will serve as treasury secretary, rachel lavine who was appointed yesterday to be the number two at the department of health and human services will be the first trans gender person confirmed by the senate run the health and human erves is department. what happened in the biden years is someone would come in, serve a few years and go as the deputy. so more information as the cabinet turns over over the course of the four years or a second term. democrats are a little better than republicans when it comes

to republicans. i had a conversation with one of obama's officials who say there are democrats who aspire to be agriculture secretary, it's hard to find republicans who want to do that. so there are people in the pipeline fighting pretty hard for these jobs and placed in positions to climb up in the future years. >> because they believe in the ultimate project of government is it to try to make people's lives better through the instruments of government and that will be one to have the changes you will see in the biden administration. to your opinion point about diversity, it's not just joe biden says he wants an administration that looks like america, we know from decision-makerring having a diverse set of people makes bert decisions and opens your mind up to different parts of america you may not know about. >> and this will be the most diverse administration in american history, the most diverse cabinet ever by a president. president biden takes part in a wreath laying ceremony at arlington national cemetery.

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