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with the kpix 5 news app. captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington, and this week on "face the nation," it is super bowl sunday. we'll look at how to prevent it from becoming super-spreader sunday. plus, we'll have more of cbs's exclusive interview with president biden. for the first time in months, covid-19 numbers are moving in the right direction. infection and hospit hospitalization rates in the u.s. are all headed down, and the number of americans vaccinated is going up. >> job number one of the american rescue plan is vaccines. vaccines. >> brennan: that american rescue plan is president biden's $2 trillion economic aid package moving through congress. >> a once in a century virus has decimated our economy, and it is still wreaking havoc on our economy today. and so much of it is still

about the virus. we're still in the peak of this pandemic. >> brennan: but will that effort slow down due to distractions on capital capil hill, such as the second impeachment trial of president trump. >> and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. so go home. we love you. you're very special. >> brennan: republican senator linds game will lindseym will join us, and we'll talk with e world health organization organizations covid-19 lead, dr. maria van kerkhove. and finally, a look at the nfl struggles in the pandemic with our own cbs news special correspondent and host of the nfl today, james brown. it's all just ahead this super bowl sunday here on "face the nation." ♪

>> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." more than 100 million people are expected to tune into super bowl 55 later today. either on the cbs broadcast or streaming networks. and another covid record will be set, that of the least number of in-stadium spectators for a super bowl. just 25,000 fans will see the game in person, including 7500 vaccinated health care workers. senior national correspondent mark strassmann reports from tampa. >> reporter: super bowl 55 in tampa faces one known threat: covid-19. the nfl's blitz with adjustments. a stadium one-third full. card board-like cutouts will outnumber people. mandatory face masks. for fans watching anywhere, the c.d.c. urges no chanting or cheering and no masks off. >> it is the super bowl,

not is stupid bowl. >> reporter: but there is worry about masks, social distancing, and potential spikes unrelated to a touchdown celebration. concerns already realized overnight in north carolina. now for some good news: the benchmarks suggest that transmission has dropped to pre-thanksgiving levels. this week levels fell below one million nationally, and a drop of 25% in some states. covid hospitalizations down. >> now is not the time to let our guard down. keep taking steps to protect each other. >> reporter: and vaccinate quickly. less than two-thirds of the vaccines delivered have made it into arms. starting thursday, big players like c.v.s. and walgreens will become

vaccination centers. the federal government will ship them nearly one million doses weekly. but america is frustrated. demand still dwarfs supply. >> we can vaccinate everyone in the state, but we can do anything without the vaccine. >> reporter: long lines, line jumping and lack of equity, and who gets priority. nearly half of states now say it is teachers with c.d.c. guidance expected this week on reopening schools. >> learning on zoom is especially heard, especially because i can't always get the help i need. >> reporter: stop resisting, unbridled, unmasked, like this woman in a ohio grocery, a year into the pandemic. health officials worry that super bowl sunday could become super-spreader sunday. they're encouraging virtual parties and to

watch the game at home only with people they live with. marrying? >> brennan: one super bowl tradition that is going on this year, the pre-game interview with the president. our norah o'donnell sat down with president biden on friday, and she talked to him about china and the challenges of re-entering the nuclear deal with iron, which has begun enriching nuclear level. >> o'donnell: why haven't you called president xi? >> well, we haven't had occasion to talk to each other yet. there is no reason not to call him. i probably spent more time with xi because i had 24, 25 hours of private meetings with him when i was vice president, traveled 17,000 miles with him. >> omar: there >> o'donnell: there is a lot to talk about? >> a whole lot to talk about. he is very bright and very

tough. he doesn't -- it is not a criticism, but he doesn't have a democratic small bone in his body, but the question is -- i've said to him all alone, we need not have a conflict, but there is going to be competition. and i'm not going to do it the way that he knows because he is sending signals as well. i'm not going to do it the way trump did. w're going to focus on international roles. >> o'donnell: will the u.s. lift sanctions first in order to get iron back to the negotiating table? >> no. >> o'donn >> brennan: it appears there is a standoff. overnight ayatollah said it will not scale back their atomic work until the u.s. removes all sanctions. we'll have more right here

on cbs. we want to go now to senator lindsey graham in clemenson, south carolina. >> good morning, thank you for having me. >> brennan: iron has you heard the president, where do you think this stalemate goes from here? > well, the trump administration put iron in iran ina box. you have four or five nations doing peace agreements with israel. i think iran is weaker today than when the regime started 40 years ago. if i was president biden, i would keep the sanctions on until iran changed its behavior. i would not want to go into an old deal with iran because they've been up to no good with iran. he will have three problems here: what to do with iran different than trump, and what do do with china different than trump. i would caution president biden because trump did

it, doesn't mean it is wrong. i would slow down if i were president biden and re-evaluate some of the trump policies and keep them in place if they make sense. >> brennan: you have known the biden family for years. have you spoken to the president since the inauguration? >> no, i haven't. congratulations to him. he is a legitimate president. i'm very pleased with what the biden administration is proposing for afghanistan. we're going to keep troops there on a condition-based approach. >> brennan: past may, which is when the trump deal would call for conditions -- >> i think it was -- yeah, i think we're not going to leave in may. i think we're going to leave when the conditions are right. the taliban have been cheating. they haven't been complying. i like what tony blinken and the biden administration is doing. they're re-evaluating our presence in afghanistan to

keep the footprint low, but not to walk away and lose all of the gains we achieved. if we leased too soon, isis and al-qaeda will come roaring back and women will suffer. when it comes to iran, i would caution the biden administration to go back into the iranian deal. there is a proposal by myself and senator menendez, that the iranians can have all of the nuclear power they want, they just can't enrich. and i think they would sign up for that deal. >> brennan: i want to ask you about what is happening here at home with the scheduled trial that is supposed to begin on tuesday of former president donald trump. you voted against holding that trial. but you said this on the morning after the siege of the capitol. >> when it comes to accountability, the president needs to understand that his actions were the problem, not the solution. that the rally yesterday

was unseem il.ly. it breaks my heart that my friend would allow yesterday to happen. and it will be a major part of his presidency. it was a self-inflicted wound. it was going too far. >> brennan: what changed? >> well, it is not a crime. i mean, the house is impeaching him under the theory that his speech created a riot. when you look at the facts, many people had already planned to attack the capitol before he ever spe -- >> brennwell, the trial memorandum from the house impeachment managers lays out a pattern of behavior. they say it wasn't just the speech, that it was cultivated over time. >> here is what i would say: if you believe he committed a crime, he can be prosecuted like any other citizen. impeachment is a political

process. we have never impeached a president once they're out of office. i think this is a very bad idea. 45 police repub45 plus republice going to vote early on it is unconstitutional. it is not a question of how the trial ends. it is a question of when it ends. republicans are going to view this as an unconstitutional exercise. the only question is there they call witnesses? how long does the trial take? but the outcome is not in doubt. that doesn't mean what happened on january 6th is okay. it means this impeachment in the eyes of most republicans is an unconstitutional exercise. the president's behavior in my view is not a crime, but he can be charged with one if people think he committed it -- >> brennan: some republicans, pat toomey, believes this is constitutional because the president was impeached while he was still in office. people can look at this and say, when you can't argue a case on its merits, you argue on process, and that's what republicans are doing

right now. i want to ask you to clarify this. you said on january 7th this about mike pence. >> the things he was asked to do in the name of loyalty were over the top, unconstitutional, illegal, and would have been wrong for the country. >> brennan: unconstitutional and illegal sounds a lot like high crimes and misdemeanors. >> well, he wasn't charged for that. the bottom line is the impeachment articles, i think, are unconstitutional because the president is in florida, he is not in office. impeachment for a president requires the chief justice to preside over the trial. he is not at the trial because president trump is not the president. so this is not process. the constitution, i think has been flagrantly vial lighted, because when it comes to trump, there seems to be no end to all of this. so the trial is going to result in an acquittal.

i don't know what senator toomey is going to do. he may think that the president's behavior is not incitement under the law. >> brennan: you said if the president committed a crime, he should be charged. do you think any of the president's actions, the tweets calling for the rally, the language leading up to the rally, the lying to the public about the ability to overturn the election, what you described he said about mike pence -- does say of that deserve a reprimand? >> well, i mean he is going to have a place in history through all of this. but the point of the matter is we're in congress. impeachment has never meant -- >> brennan: but you have a justice department. what do you think? >> i think i'm ready to move on. i'm ready to end the impeachment trial because i think it is blatently unconstitutional. i'm ready to get on with trying to solve the nation's problems.

as to donald trump, he is the most popular figure in the republican party. january 6th was a very bad day for america, and he'll get his share of blame in history, but i do believe that in 2022 the republican is going to come roaring back because our friends on the democratic party, on the democratic side, are going to change immigration policy to have caravan after caravan hit our borders -- >> brennan: do you still believe he is the head of the republican party? >> excuse me? >> brennan: you still believe president trump is the best face for the republican party? yes or no? >> i think he is -- yeah, i think donald trump's policies serve the country well. i think donald trump has to rehabilitate himself as a politician. here is what i think: most people are going to look at the biden administration -- >> brennan: i'm sorry to have to cut you off. i have to take us to a

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>> brennan: we want to go now to the former fed chairwoman and new treasury secretary ja janet yellen. good morning to you, madam secretary. >> good morning, and thank you so much for having me. >> brennan: the u.s. is still 10 million jobs short of where we were before this pandemic. many people have stopped looking for work. is the jobs market stalling? >> well, i'm afraid that the job market is stalling. we saw that in friday's employment report, just 6,000 private sector jobs created. 49,000 overall. and that's after a month in which we actually saw a job loss. so, yeah, we have 10 million people unemployed, and four million have dropped out of the labor market, and another two million are working part-time who really would like full-time work. so we're in a deep hole

with respect to the job market and a long way to dig out. >> brennan: specifically the unemployment rate for men and women is relatively similar, but the present economic advisor, jared bu bernstein said the number of women who left the work force is of great concern. what is driving that, and how do you get women back into the workforce? >> women -- many face an impossible situation, they have children they have to take care of who aren't in school, and would be facing increasing depends on the job. and many, over two million, have dropped out of the labor force because it is so hard to manage that conflict. and the package that

president biden has proposed really addresses the problems that women face. it places huge emphasis on getting our schools opened safely, getting children back into school, providing paid family and medical leave during this crisis so that women don't have to leave their jobs when they're faced with health issues or family issues that they have to address. there is emphasis on providing more child care and payments and tax credits are expanded for children to help families address these needs. and i think this is really necessary to get women back to work. they face a disproportionate burden because of this crisis, especially low-wage women and women of color.

>> brennan: the emergency paid leave provisions would expire in september. you talked about the u.s. needing to make these more permanent, essentially, to stay competitive with the rest of the developed world. is it getting paid leave in child care your ultimate goal? >> it is certainly something that president biden is interested in. the current package that he has proposed, the american rescue package, is intended to deal with the immediate crisis, the economic crisis and the health care crisis. but beyond that, he looks forward to proposing ideas to address long-standing challenges that our economy has faced. >> brennan: that sounds like a yes in the ft's ta abo.se package, what should determine who is eligible for a stimulus check?

should it be your 2019 income level or your unemployment status? >> well, president biden wants to make sure that the payments that he has proposed, $1400 payments, to make good on the total $2,000 pledge, goes to families that really need it that are struggling. to really well-off families that don't need the funds and haven't been hard hit by the crisis. so he is discussing the appropriate cutoffs and phase-ins with members of congress and is open to negotiating on those. but there are a lot of families that are struggling with lower income and need those payments. >> brennan: you know, sending people checks in the mail, though, the criticism is that this is more about politics than economics. your fellow economists have been very critical.

stanford's john cogans says 70% of the stimulus from last year was either used to pay debt or saved. and some say stimulus checks are not the most affective type of support, and says much of it goes to households that don't need the funds. given that, how do you justify writing these checks? >> well, it has to go to people in households that do need the money, and those are lower-income households. and we'll need to make sure that the cutoffs are appropriate so that households that are doing really well, that maybe have seen their stock portfolios rise and make a lot of income and haven't lost their jobs -- those households shouldn't be getting it. >> brennan: what is your floor and ceiling on that? >> we need a lot more targeted relief, also. i don't have specifics for you today. these are matters that president biden is

discussing with members of congress and is ope reviewing what's appropriate. but he is committed to providing the $1400 of payments to those who qualify. >> brennan: there is no jobs creation program in here. the president says he wants that massive infrastructure bill to be next. and job creation is what we need to see. don't you risk spending your political capitol now when you need to create jobs in this next bill? >> well, there will be another bill that addresses job creation through infrastructure development, through investment in people, in education and training, addresses climate changes, improves the competitiveness of our economy, and is designed to create good jobs with good pay, that involves careers for people. but right now this package

will do a huge amoun create jobs. the spending it will generate is going to lead to demand for workers, help put people back to work, especially when we can get vaccinations and the public health situation to the point where the economy can begin to open up again. >> brennan: there has been some wild swings in the price of gamestop. are markets functioning properly? >> we need to look in detail to understand what happened in those stocks over the last couple of weeks. i would say that the core infrastructure of the markets, theit to trade, clearig and settlement -- those infrastuctures performed well. but we need to make sure that investors are

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♪ >> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." vaccine efforts around the world are also picking up speed. senior foreign correspondent liz palmer reports from london. >> reporter: good morning. there was a good news milestone this week: the number of vaccinations given worldwide was greater for the first time than the number of new recorded covid cases. that's partly due to aggressive public action, like here in brazil. teams pushed into the amazon to vaccinate people in remote villages who wouldn't have a hope of getting to an i.c.u., and the very first vaccine shipment arrived in south africa this weekend, such

a big deal, that officials, including the president, came out to welcome it in the powering poweg rain. in spite of the progress, though, this pandemic is more lethal now than it was last spring. twice as many people are dying daily than in mid-april 2020. with terrifying local surges, the worst of them at the moment in portugal. it has the highest death rate anywhere in the world. and it had to welcome german doctors and equipment to help. covid has reminded millions that life in fleeting and precious. take rosario, hospitalized with covid in madrid, she was wheeled to see fernando, her partner of 14 years.

he finally proposed to her, by text, from his bed, and she joyfully replied. >> yes. >> reporter: it is also worth noting, margaret, in this push to vaccine, there are deliberate holdouts, notably new zealand and australia. they have virtually no covid cases, so for now they have just decided to watch and wait. >> brennan: liz palmer in london, thank you. we want to go to dr. maria van kerkhove, who joins us from geneva, switzerland. >> thank you for having me. >> brennan: you're an epidemiologist, and you know a lot about how these viruses jump between species, like covid did. these new variants, you have described them as a combination of mutations all at the same time. what does that mean? >> doctor: well, these

viruses change all of the time. and every time they replicate, the more they spread, the more changes they can have. they're called mutations. they're individual changes in the genome itself. the variants have had a combination of mutations, which means a number of mutations identified at the same time. that means that this clustering of these mutations happening at the same time are quite different than individual-level mutations. we've had three such variants being reported -- actually, four such variants being reported. the first in denmark, the second reported from the united kingdom, the third from south africa, and the fourth from brazil. >> brennan: so which countries have actually been successful in containing the virus? and is there a common approach to their success? >> doctor: well, that's a great question. there is a common approach that many countries have taken to control the covid-2 virus. and it is a combination of

factors. it is individual levels that reach individual measures that we see people take, in terms of our physical distancing, our mask-wearing, our avoiding crowded spaces, our sneezing into our elbow, all of those measures are critical. as well as government-led responses, where we have all of society approach, where we know where the virus is, we can support people who are infected through good, clinical care. we make sure those individuals are isolated. any contacts of confirmed cases are provided supportive quarantine, so if they are infected themselves, there is no opportunity for them to pass the virus to others. making sure we open up schosators. well aving anessi approach to making sure they have the testing, the tracing, the clinical care, and really strong, empowered, enabled, and engaged

communists. it is all this. you hear au us say a lot, do it all. this is what we mean. >> brennan: when you say enforced quarantine, it sounds like you're talking about australia and new zealand. are those the best examples? >> doctor: we have great examples all over the world of how countries have used these combination of factors. when i use the word "quarantine" i'm using this in the text of that individual who is infected with the virus needs to be provided with good clinical care. and they need to be isolated from others. but before they go into isolation, they may have many contacts, and those contacts need to be provided supportive quarantine, which means they're separated from others and provided food and care and safety and security for 14 days while they wait and make sure they're not infected themselves. they get a test

themselves. and they don't have the opportunity to pass to others. south africa is a good example, where they got through their first peak. countries across asia and the pacific, including australia and new zealand. in fact, we've seen really strong responses across europe during their first peak. over the summer months in europe, cases were down to single digits. they showed us, and many countries increase africa and the americas, have shown they have drive is transmission down. this is very, very critical, because the more opportunities this virus has to spread, the more opportunities it has to change. so we need to make sure we prevent as many infections as we can. >> brennan: which part of the world is going to be the most complicated to vaccinate? >> that's a great question. we need to vaccinate people at risk all over the world. i think there are different complicating factors in different parts of the world for different reasons. what we want to make sure

we do is, number one, we multiple affective vaccines that are in production that continued to be protected -- >> brennan: are you concerned by this reporting that astrazeneca's vaccine may not be affective against the south afr south afr south a? >> the b351 variant identified in south africa -- ta number of studies under way to look at the immune response of the body, but also the impact of the vaccination. there are some studies suggesting reduced efficacy, but the studies aren't fully published yet. and the group on vaccinations is meeting tomorrow to specifically discuss the astrazeneca vaccine, and the results

coming out of south africa, to determine what is going forward. we cannot rely on only one product. that is not the goal of anyone around the world. again, vaccines are not just enough. it is vaccinations that are really critical. we need to make sure everyone who is at risk, the elderly, people at risk for severe disease receive the vaccines, in all countries around the world, as well as health care workers all around the world. >> brennan: world health investigators a year after the outbreak in china have now been allowed in to look at what happened on the ground. is this just a show by the chinese government? >> doctor: no, it is not. in fact, we have a team of 10 international scientists. you called them investigators, but, indeed, they're scientists from a number of different technical fields, as well

as people from w.h.o., and we have other colleagues supporting the mission as well. these are studies that are ongoing to find the virus origins and to understand the intermediate hosts. this is critical from a public health perspective so we know and can take steps further to prevent this from happening again. there are very good discussions happening on the ground. there are constructive exchanges from the international team from 10 different countries, as well as the chinese counterparts, looking at the earliest cases, looking at studies from the markets. they've had visits to hospitals. they've had visits to laboratories, including the wuhan institute of possible, and that will be made available as soon as it can be. >> brennan: doctor, thank you for your time this morning. good luck to you. we'll be right back with dr. scott gottlieb.

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>> brennan: we want to go to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. he sits on the board of pfizer and a illumina, and he joins us. >> doctor: good morning. >> brennan: you just heard from dr. maria van kerkhove, and sheout lined she outlinedall of the mutation. she seemed to indicate there are concerns about the astrazeneca vaccine and it's efficacy against this variant out of south africa. >> doctor: the vaccines are going to probable be be about 20% less effective with this variant out of south africa. we've seen it in the j & j trial. i'm on the border of pfizer, which developed one of those, are very efficacious. it may not be as profound

with those vaccines, you're still getting very good protection with those vaccines, and with the j & j vaccine as well. i think the existing vaccines will offer reasonable protection against these new variants. and maybe in four or six months we can develop one that bakes into a lot of the different mutations, to have boosters during the fall. trevor bedford at the hutch has done some good work on this. some people are speculating that this virus may have undergone a really significant evolutionary leap. it has mu mutated a lot over the world, and it may have reached a new fitness level, but it is going to slow down and it will not change as much. so we'll be able to keep up with it. >> brennan: i asked the doctor about the probe under way in china. from your view, how important is it to know the origins of the first

strain that we learned of with covid-19 in china? >> doctor: well, look, i think it is important from a political standpoint. i think it is important from a public health standpoint so we know what the risk is for future transmission, for future jumps from different sources into the human population. and we kind of better understand the risks of coronavirus more generally. we're certainly not going to be able to find out with any level of certainty that is going to put to rest of speculation this could have been a lab source. you know as well as i do there is still speculation, even in the government that it could have been from an accident in an laboratory. we know that the wuhan laboratory was doing a lot of exp coronaviruses. we would need access to the source strains. i suspect they're not going to get that. that information, if it is available, the chinese government would have that

and so far they have not made that available. >> brennan: you told us on this program last sunday it was miami and southern california that were hotspots for the b117 strain detected in the u.k. are those still the areas of greatest concern for you? >> doctor: florida is growing pretty significantly. right now between 5 and 10% are the u.k. variant, the more contagious variant. that is centered in southern florida. florida is continuing to show declines in new infections, and i think as the rest of the country continues to come down that curve, you're going to see a leveling off in florida. while i don't think they will have another surge of infection, they could have a higher infection because b117 is gaining a better foot hold. southern california is a little further behind florida. for the less of the country, it is probably less than 1%.

there could be localized hotspots, where you have an outbreak of b117. but for the rest of the country, we'll probably be able to get ahead of it. >> brennan: getting ahead of of it is a good thing. c.d.c. is expected to release guidelines how to reopen schools. they say the vaccination of teachers is not a preric sis prer.>> doctor: when they tried to take precautions in the classroom, there was little transmission in the classroom. especially children under the age of 14 are less likely to both get infected and transmit the infection. it certainly would be good to be able to prioritize

teachers to get them vaccinated so they're not as risk from spreading the infection, but i don't think it is necessarily a prerecquisit. >> we know retail pharmacies will be receiving shipments this week, and the biden administration is take sticking with the trump plan, giving doses based on populations. is this the best way to get doses into the arms of the public? >> doctor: i think for now. they have made a lot of progress. we've had some days where there are two million vaccines that have been delivered. i think we'll see that more consistently. that will be the run rate. by the end of march, we'll have delivered 250 million vaccines on to the market if the j & j vaccine gets authorized. in april, we'll probably deliver another 100 million vaccines on to the market. if you split them, you'll consider about 60% of the supply will be going out, and april, we'll have

another 60 million o demand. i think we need to start thinking about the demand side of this equation soon. >> brennan: dr. gottlieb, good to talk to you, as always. and we'll be back with a preview of super bowl 55. stay with us.

>> hello, and welcome to the super bowl. four hours of television for 11 minutes of action. i'm james -- not that one, brown. this year has been anything but normal. the pandemic, racial and political divisions, armie hammer, but today we come together in a spirit of unity to watch football and murder billions of chickens for their delicious wings. >> brennan: that was last night's "saturday night live". ad we want to go to the real james brocoespondent and hf thl ay. really, j.b., you don't need any introduction here. how are you doing? >> margaret, i didn't see the beginning of s & l. my text messages started blowing up as i was trying

to go to bed last night, but that was an appropriate opening. thank you forgiving me a little bit of levity to start. >> brennan: congratulations. this is your 10th super bowl. you have, i no doubt, have never seen anything quite like pulling this off in the midst of a pandemic. what is going to be different this year? >> well, the fact that we won't have a packed house, that adds immeasurably to any big event, the pomp and circumstance of it and the excitement of the fans, we won't have that. but the players will be thrilled to have the 22,000 to 25,000 who will be there. it influences them significantly. a lot of the pop and circumstance surrounding the super bowl, the parties and celebrations an all of those things have been non-existent. differt that way, but we're glad to get to that point. who would have funk it would have gone through 17 weeks of the regular season, getting 256 games in, and now we're at the super bowl, but that is a

real tribute to the players, the teams, and the coaches who have adhered to the covid protocols, by and large, throughout this season, margaret. >> brennan: it is significant that there even is a super bowl. but i'm wondering, j.b., what are you hearing about what comes next for the league? are we going to see athletics get vaccinated or be part of a public relations move to get that shot in the arm? >> excellent question. a number of players are doing that at this time. there has been a bit of a challenge in communities of color to embrace the vaccines. so you see a number of athletes, especially those of color, doing p.s.a.s. it is a personal decision, do your homework and examine it to see what makes sense for you. but there is a push. however, the other elephant in the room is

i've been told by league officials they will not advocate or have any priority position in terms of being vaccinated, because with the sobering news surrounding this, there are far more people in need of that as opposed to athletes trying to move to the front of the line. >> brennan: we spoke to the head of the players' association about that question the other day. demar smith, and he shared with us something else i want to get your reaction to, and that is frustration, frankly, among many players, with the lack of diversity among coaching staff. and he said, unfortunately, we have had some former coaches of i thinwho have ven excuses or col f the le is. that is some sharp words. what do you make of that assessment? >> today on our pre-game show, i'm going to address that very issue with a commentary of my own, coming off of an excellent piece entitled "before jackie," meaning before

jackie robinson. and it addresses, sadly, part of the history was there were a number of owners back in 1953, who made a decision to eliminate black players from the league. it was 13 years later, when the team moved to los angeles specifically, playing in a stadium that was in a minority community, meaning they paid taxpayer dollars, and they said they weren't going to allow it. sadly there is a history that i know definitively, that roger, the commissioner, and troy, the highest ranking african-american, have done everything possible to create a culture to that. the bottom line is equality of opportunity is all that is sought, male and female. there is no division. i'm so happy to see full-time female assistants on the tampa bay buccaneers. bottom line, there is a mckenzie report that came out in may 2020 that

said, "diversity wins; inclusion matters." we have a wonderful mosaic of people here in america of all hues and stripes, and excellence comes in all hues and stripes, so why not take advantage of that to improve the culture and winning with that attitude. >> brennan: football and activism really became a hot topic in the past few years. where does that conversation go next? is it coaches or is it in another direction? >> coaches, quite frankly, are low-hanging fruit. when the league was opened up to diversity, it is not surprising that half the number of players in the hall of fame are players of color, black players specifically. i'm going to be talking with amy trask who is sadly the only female c.e.o. of a team. it is going to continue to move forward because i think people see that and embrace it, and it only makens b., iis to the way, keenan on s

& l, he had a better hairline than me, and his mini afro looked better. >> brennan: i like the real j.b. we'll be right back. i am black. beautiful. i must be respected. black lawyers, doctors, educators, martin luther king, b.b. king, queen of soul aretha franklin. you're sitting in the place where giants ate. the four way, as a restaurant, meant so much to this neighborhood and we wanted to continue that. to have a place where you have dignity and belong, that's the legacy of the four way. ♪

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