♪ toy maksthe 56th e ck anniversary of the march to selma, also an landmark event in the civil rights movement. last week the house passed a policing reform bill named after george floyd, who died in police custody last year in minneapolis. jury selection is scheduled to begin tomorrow in the trial of derek chauvin. civil rights attorney benjamin crump is one of the lawyers that represents the family of mr. floyd, and he joins us from houston, texas. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. >> brennan: there was elop weekend in regard to the potential third-degree murder charge against this former officer in the state of minneapolis case.

will things get under way on monday? >> it is our understanding that the trial will get under way on monday. george floyd's family, the victims who i represent, have been been informed that they have every intention of the trial going forward. >> brennan: in anticipation of that, we have seen protests in cities around this country. in min annapolis some businesses are being boarded up. you've been with the floyd family. what is their message to protestors? >> their message is: thank you for standing up for your first amendment rights, but doing so in a peaceful way. i know attorney-general keith ellison, for the state of minnesota, is

going to prosecute this state. they moved for the third-degree murder charges to be reinstated because they want to make sure that the jury has every option to hold derek chauvin criminally liablefo the. >> brennan: that is the state's case. we know that often happens before a federal case gets under way. but there has been a grand jury impaneled in minneapolis, and do you have any indication how the biden administration's justice department is going to handle this? >> it is my belief that george floyd's civil rights were violated. you look at the video, and you hear him say 28 times "i can't breathe." the public is begging the police to take the knee off his neck. they say his nose is

bleeding. he can't breathe. he is going unconscious. you're going to kill him. if that is not a deprivation of his civil rights to live, i don't know what is. margaret, my whole life's mission as a civil rights attorney has been to be an unapologetic defender of black life and black liberty and black humanity. and we saw that derek chauvin, on may 25th, 2020, took all of that away from a black man who was restrained, face down, in handcuffs. >> brennan: as a candidate, joe biden did speak with george floyd's family and he made promises. i'm wondering what your understanding is with regard to what is actually going to be delivered? >> president biden and vice president kamala

harris spoke with george floyd's family and other families while they were campaigning. and they were sincere in saying they believe we need to have police reform. we need systematic change and reform in policing. and i know millions of black people went out and voted in these cities of george floyd and br breeonna, with that hope in mind. and joe biden said this is a priority for him to get policing reform, that he will not ever forget those conversations with george floyd's family, those conversations breonna taylor's broken-hearted

mother, and shows conversations with jacob blake, who is paralyzed, because their lives matter. black lives matter. and this would be something that he could deliver that would be a permanent brand for his legacy that he did not forget those black people who he talked to on the campaign trail once he ascended to the leader of the free world. >> brennan: and those political promises are often hard to deliver on when you look at the reality of what has happened with this george floyd policing reform bill, which passed the house again this past week, but is now headed to the senate, which we know in the past it has stalled there. what area is there for compromise? can you stomach anything, compromised, unqualified immunity? >> well, we understand that politics is the art of compromise because we want to make progress.

however, unqualified immunity, margaret, this has to be addressed because this is the thing that allows bad police officers to engage in reprehensible conduct like we saw with george floyd. and countless -- i mean hundreds -- of black people being killed and it shields their behavior. we're not saying that disqualified immunity reform will deny police officers their due process. but what we are saying is we are allowing those who have been harmed to have access to courts. to be able to make sure we change the toxic nature that some of us feel happens in policing when we look at that george floyd video. we can do better america. we must do better. >> brennan: we will watch on that provision in particular. thank you, mr. crump, for thank you, mr. crump, for your time. we'll be right back. lows.

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>> brennan: we return to our coverag coverage of covid ad what is happening around the world. liz palmer reports from london. >> reporter: good morning. first the good news: the number of covid deaths worldwide peaked at the end of january, and it has been in decline ever since. the bad news is: the disease has cost two and a half million lives and counting. this week europe marked a solemn anniversary. it has been a year since the coronavirus exploded here. the swiss observed a minute of silence for victims, thankful things are improving, but the crisis in europe isn't over. the czechoslovakia republic who's asked for help with one of the worst outbreaks anywhere in the world. and with a slow, many would say bungled, vaccine rollout, there are

hotspots across the country. still, there is evidence that globally things are moving in the right direction. millions of vaccine doses arrived in africa. dignitaries lined up on the runway to meet them. the first shot went to this doctor. >> about 70% of nigerians have been vaccinated. >> reporter: so only 150 million left to go. and in brazil, deaths are rising sharply again. and epidemiologists are worried about a variant that started in the amazon which may resist some vaccines and may be able to infect people twice. the advice from brazil's president: stop whining. here in england, we're still under strict lockdown, restaurants, businesses, they're all closed. but tomorrow schools go back to business. a big step towards

normality. >> brennan: thank you, liz. we go to dr. scott gottlieb, who joins us from west point, connecticut. good morning to you, doctor. >> doctor: good morning. >> brennan: i thought there was some news from dr. fauci on a few fronts, saying elementary kids could be vaccinated in the first quarter of 2022, and high school kids, possibly by the fall. that seems new. >> doctor: i think that is right. i think when you're looking at vaccinating children, they're going to look at it from the standpoint of the social environment kids are in. i think the likelihood that we're going to be ready to vaccinate grade school kids is very unlikely, at least this year. that is really a 2022 event, probably. i think it is probable that we will be vaccinating high school kids at some point this year. one of the vaccines, the pfizer vaccine, has already approved down to 16. there are studies under way with all of the vaccines looking at

younger age populations with their vaccines. i think we'll be in a position to be ready to vaccinate a high schoolhigh-school-aged population some time this year, and put it into that environment if we get in trouble with the virus later this fall and winter. you'll look at ninth grade and above, getting into the high school setting. and we'll have to contemplate if we put it into middle schools. >> brennan: and he indicated there will be soon to be released guidelines and what you can actually do when you're vaccinated. from your perspective, what can you do? can you go in and eat indoors at a restaurant right now? >> doctor: look, i think people who are fully vaccinated and waited the full two weeks after the second dose are going to feel more confident going out. the guidance wants to take into consideration what people want to do. we can't be so far behind the aspirations of the public that it gets ignored. people are sensing the

vulnerability, over all, is declining, as you see more and more people getting vaccinated and immunity from prior infection. people are going to want to start doing things, going out more, and we need to take that into consideration. looking at nursing homes alone, if you look at overall deaths, they are declining. but 13% of deaths are occurring in nursing homes, down from 40%, so that's a real significant indication that the overall vulnerability of the most vulnerable people, those succumbing to co co covid, is starting to decline as we get more vaccinated. next week we'll probably hit 70% of those above the age of 75 will be vaccinated, 60% of those over 65. so we're reducing the overall vulnerability of the population. and the final point: some of the algorithms being driven by growing science

is suggesting that all of the vaccines not only prevent covid disease and symptoms and also transmission. >> brennan: the exception, though, are some of the variants, like those in new york, that are showing that they can't be pierced. so what do we do about that? how widespread is this new york variant? >> doctor: well, there are two new york variants. 1525 and 1526, we're more worried about the 1526 because it has a mutation that seems to suggest people with a prior infection can get reinfected, and perhaps the vaccines may not be as affective. it still represents a small amount of the overall infection. it will probably grow. we have now found it in georgia. the prevalent is the b117. and right now it is 40% of infections and florida, and 30% in california. that's going to become the most prevalent strain. and that will probably crowd out some of the

other strains, the 1351 in south africa and the p-1. but that is going to probably cause infections to kick back up. i don't think we'll see another surge or infection this spring, but we might see a plateauing before we see continued declines. >> brennan: we looked back at some of your remarks from a year ago, and you were pretty right on. but a year ago, we weren't wearing masks. and now we're being asked to continue wearing them. from where you sit, is that the biggest mistake? how would you grade our performance as a country? >> doctor: i think the masks are the single biggest mistake because it was the easiest intervention we could have reached for early to prevent spread. i think it was a failure to detect all of the asymptomatic spread.

we overestimated contaminated surfaces because we weren't recognizing all of the spread, and doing good tracking and tracing. we were using the flu model and it wasn't applicable. the c.d.c. was very slow to recognize this. if we recognized all of the spread, and the fact it was spreading not just through droplets but through aerosolization. and it was the single largest intervention we could have reached for early. >> brennan: dr. gottlieb, thank you for helping us to navigate this over the past year and in the weeks ahead. we'll be back in a moment.

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>> brennan: one year ago this week, many of us realized that covid-19 was growing to dramatically change our liv we spoke with several americans from across the country to reflect on the last year and look ahead. we began by asking if the group trusted the vaccine. >> i trust the vaccine,

but i don't think that the vaccine is just going to be the cure-all and everything is going to be lovely. but i think this makes things a whole lot better. >>ato pr affecch better way to achieve herd immunity via immunization than just having the virus ravage through communities. >> i would rather wait. i don't want to be a guinea pig. >> brennan: and is that how you view taking the vaccine right now, for the 50 million americans who have taken it? >> yes, ma'am. at this point i would rather wait a year or two, and make sure people aren't dying from it or turning to robots or something like that. i would rather wait. >> brennan: and, gabriel, is that where you are? >> i would never consider taking it. i don't want to be a guinea pig. >> brennan: you live in

states where there is no mask mandate, do you both wear masks. sherry? >> yes, i do. i would rather err on the side of caution and not transmit anything to somebody else that could cause them to get sick and possibly die. >> i just don't think they work like they say they do. >> brennan: do you consider it a burden? >> yes, ma'am, i do. >> brennan: why? >> because they're trying to force me to do something that i personally don't feel i need to do. >> brennan: when you hear this is aerosol, that it passes through the air, that coughing is, in part, how this virus is spread. do you not believe any of that science? >> no, ma'am, i don't. >> they have a video of a restaurant, and they had onion rings. i had my mask on, and i could still smell it. if i could still those onion rings, what else is getting through that mask.

>> brennan: in terms of the aerosol particulars that you would be sharing, do you not see the barrier -- >> no. obviously, i could still smell the onion rings. so what else is coming through the mask? so the mask is not working. >> brennan: how many of you would feel confident to go in and sit indoors and eat at a restaurant right now? can i see a show of hands? >> we've already done it several times. we do it at least once or twice a month. >> brennan: would all of you feel safe getting on an airplane right now? came bacm a funeral. she flew all the way to oregon, and i didn't have any problems. >> i am going to take my first flight since the pandemic in a couple of months. my sister and i both got our vaccines and everything, and we're going to put our masks on and we're going to go to

vegas and have a good time. [laughter] >> that's what we're going to do. >> brennan: but you got your shot and you've got your masks, so you've got your armor with you. >> yes. >> brennan: has the past year been difficult for you, sandy? >> it hasn't really been too much. >> brennan: sherry, has this been tough for you? >> it has been. as a teacher, there are some distancing that is difficult with 5-year-olds. sometimes when a child is crying or they're upset, i kind of do throw the social distancing out and i have to give them a hug and try to calm them down. as far as difficulty, it is hard to be in the minority in my community, as far as following the regulations and the suggestions ffef when others are skeptical of

the validity of the pandemic. >> brennan: tom, did you feel you had a similar experience? and what part of this past year was difficult? >> when the pandemic hit, my family got to see it up close and personal. my nephew, early on, was stricken with the pandemic. we thought we were going to lose him. he spent, like, three weeks on a ventilator. we couldn't get in to see him. it was heartbreaking. >> brennan: juan, what about you? how was this past year for you? >> personally, actually, it hasn't affected me as much as it has affected business owners and educators. i feel like i'm lucky in that sense, obviously. but as a gig worker, i wear my mask and i make

sure my passengers wear masks as well. >> brennan: when this is over, what is it that you're looking forward to doing? >> my parents are elderly, and i do wear a mask with them, but i'm looking forward to able to go out and being able to hug them and not having to wear a stupid mask. >> brennan: is that what everyone misses the most, being able to hug and kiss and shake hands. >> absolutely. church is important to our family. we haven't been to church in over a year. we've been on zoom and things. >> same thing here. our church was big huggers, and i miss them. >> brennan: tanya, you were saying yes? >> yes. i come from a big family. my mom is still with us, and she is 91 years old, and she is in better shape than all of us.

just being able to have >> ban: sherry, wht you? , and nowly hu fria.ha we're definitely going to hang out. >> brennan: juan, what is the first thing you're going to do once you get that vaccine? >> probably travel. just be around friends and go to restaurants, and have things being back to normal. going out in the street and see people walking around without masks. >> brennan: when you hear juan and tanya and sherry talk about their experiences and their hope, do you have a second thought and say, well, why not take some of these measures, like getting a vaccine or wearing a mask if it gets us back to normal faster? >> no, ma'am. >> brennan: none of it makes you question your decision? >> no, ma'am. >> brennan: and the same with you, sandy? >> as far as wearing a

mask, i think the virus is pretty much done. we're on the long stretch, or less threat. you can see the checkered flag. it is already there. so it is pretty much done. >> brennan: as you heard dr. fauci warn this week, the country still has between 60,000 and 70,000 infections. and the virus is not yet done with us. an extended version of our conversation is available on our website. we'll be right back. this is the planning effect. if you ask suzie about the future, she'll say she's got goals. and since she's got goals, she might need help reaching them, and so she'll get some help from fidelity,

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